What branch of christianity should i convert to and why
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>>79341555
Anything but Catholicism, Pentecostalism or Unitarianism.
Orthodoxy
>>79341667
>Unitarianism is christian.
>>79341555
southern baptist
>>79341747
orthodoxy is a meme church that would slobber putin's dick for shekels
The only correct answer is Orthodox Judaism.
>my fucking face when Americans come in to say Southern Baptist
Also avoid that one.
>>79341947
This
>>79341555
Wrong board newfag
>>>/his/
>>>/mlp/
>>79341840
This.
>>79341935
It's really Oriental and almost like Islam too
>>79342019
>newfag
>Implying we haven't had Christianity generals for ages
>>79341555
Mormonism is the only true form of Christianity
>>79341555
Fuck Christianity
Become a sikh bro
Trump is a Presbyterian. So pick that one.
Op here ive narrowed it down to lutheren,orthedox,catholioc or anglican
What do?
>>79342710
un-narrow it and pick southern baptist
or go LCMS
>>79341555
The one that speaks to your heart. Pray directly to Jesus every day while reading the Bible, for at least a week or two. Fast, if you wish. Go on a spiritual journey with God. He'll tell you which one is right for you.
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
LCMS or SSPX
>>79341935
>almost 2,000 years old
>over 300 million members
>meme church
My local United Methodist church is fucking great. They definitely believe in leading fulfilling Christian lives and doing something, instead of sitting around "praying the gay away" all day.
>>79343060
he thinks he's catholic! lol
your "orthodox" church was founded in 1054
>>79343060
I think he means it's become a meme on /pol/. But to be fair, it's probably because of the people who post:
>Hay guyz, I just converted to Orthodoxy becuz I heard dey hate da j000s!!!1
Personally, I was raised Protestant, so Orthodoxy feels like a foreign culture to me. I identify more strongly with sola scriptura, sola, and sola gratia. I prefer to keep a personal relationship with God above all else, and going to Church is just an accessory to that.
>>79343798
sola scriptura, sola fide, and sola gratia*
>>79343365
> cybele heretics with virtually(?) castrated priests in the image of attis
> god tier
>>79342955
Southern babptists are retarded white trash, im saying this as someone living in the deep south, i want to convert to a proper high church not that bullshit
>>79344163
okie doke.
enjoy your vanity.
As a Christian I'm wondering the same thing. I can't make myself go all the way Catholic but the closest thing is Episcopalian and they're all a bunch of liberal cucks.
>>79341555
cucktholicism
>>79341555
>ORTHODOXY
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>>79343798
You'd have a closer relationship with Jesus by receiving the Eucharist as a member of the Orthodox Church.
>>79343642
Well that's interesting considering we have relics much older than that and our last great council was in 787.
lcms
last i herd jewism wus were thes money is at
>>79344823
He's showing leadership for the rest of the Catholic world to follow by demonstrating true humility that transcends his ego as the Supreme Pontiff. The only one being cucked in this picture is Satan, and past popes who tried to build earthly kingdoms with their position and who tried to pass power to their kids, who broke their vows as priests, like the Borgias.
>>79341555
Lutheran
>>79341555
Catholic Church. Most coherent doctrine and historical claims if you do your research. But a lot of Catholics are freaking out at the moment at how pozzed the Pope and bishops are right now and are jumping over to the Orthodox Church. Honestly, I can't blame anyone for becoming Orthodox given the current state of the RCC.
>>79341555
Just believe in Jesus Christ. Pray at home. Every now and then break bread and drink some wine like Jesus did to remember him
Churches are pagan and they're not needed for Christianity.
Plus corrupt priests and sinister organizations will only hinder your spirituality
>not being Lutheran Protestant
>>79341555
Roman Catholicism
Arianism
>>79344163
You should visit around. And don't ignore protestant churches. Personally, the churches I know that are the closest to God are protestant ones. The Catholic, Orthodox, and other protestant denominations will call them crazy because they are butthurt that they are seeing more from God. I recommend Assemblies of God.
If they believe pope is infallible, they are trash. If they believe it is God's will for people to get sick or die, they are trash. If they don't believe in spiritual things or demons, they are trash. If they believe people can get into heaven on being good alone, they are trash. If they think it's okay to be gay, they are trash.
You should also be able to feel something when you are in a true church, it shouldn't just be another boring meetup done out of tradition.
>>79345671
what's wrong with Calvinism?
>>79343365
I tip my hat to you, Sir.
>>79345662
>mutilating the sacraments
>calling the Church that Christ built in Mt 16 pagan
Lord have mercy
>>79345855
All 5 points of Calvinism are disgusting heresies
Catholic.
Yes the the tone of the current Pope is jarring at times but he has never and will never proclaim heresy ex cathedra. Also he's not as liberal as all the sjw click bait head lines would have you believe.
Also above all the Catholic Church was created by Christ himself so there's that. Mathew 16:18
Still love you though Orthadox bros. As a Pope Saint John Paul the Great said. Yall are one of the two lungs of the Church.
>>79345989
>believing "the church" is an actual building and not believers in Christ
Modern day churches and just remnants of pagan babel buildings. Extravagant, hedonistic, expensive, but they lack godliness.
The earliest church we know of is dated to the 3rd century and looks nothing like a modern day church.
Early "churches" were just plain buildings or people's houses where they would discuss the gospels and Jesus and they would copy them down to spread the word.
There's not a single church or denomination that is anything like the first Christians
>>79345855
>double predestination
>not pants on head retarded herasy
>>79343365
Why are JWs bananas anon?
>>79346330
Explain all the first and second century christian writings that discusses bishops and Apostolic succession then
>>79344163
Catholicism is the way to go and always has been. It is also under consistent attack both from without and within though the dogmas and doctrines will always hold fast.
“The Church is a perpetually defeated thing that always outlives her conquerers.” ― Hilaire Belloc
>>79346262
>There is no salvation outside of the Roman Catholic church
don't say you love them when you believe they're going to Hell.
Catholicism is an organization, nothing more. There's more atheist priests than there are atheists on the internet
>>79346465
Give me some sources and names
>>79346330
>The earliest church we know of is dated to the 3rd century and looks nothing like a modern day church.
That's because Christianity wasn't the official Roman religion until Constantine and before that the faithful were confined to the catacombs. That wasn't exactly an ideal situation you understand. And even if you're right that the Church body itself is the Church, you are not a part of that Church body unless you have been Chrismated by an Orthodox priest.
Acts 8:14 Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, 15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
18 And when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money, 19 saying, “Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”
>>79346330
JWs are actually
>>79346499
This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;
in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”
>>79346742
Do the Popes have the gift of holy spirit today? Can they heal the sick? Can they bring back the dead? These miraculous gifts seem to have passed out of Christianity by about 200 CE. Merely parrotting 'apostolic succession' is not at all reliable, since their have been popes and antipopes, possibly female popes, and also in the early congregation the bishop(s) of Rome had no special significance. Peter spent most of his time in Jerusalem, Antioch and Babylon, and James had seniority, and he never left Judaea.
>>79346553
Yet it subsists and provides the sacraments to billions. If it was a human organisation it would should have disappeared centuries ago. Look at the arian heresy circa 336, with Saint Athanasius of Alexandria going lone wolf. The Church won't ever be defeated, even under the horrific circumstances we see today, I recommend hitting up the FSSP or SSPX; sit down and talk to a priest who's not afraid to wear his collar in public and polish up on good catholic authors like Chesterton, Belloc, Erik von Kuehnelt Leddihn, Jacque Maritain, Fulton Sheen, Dietrich von Hildebrand etc.
>>79347227
>there* have been
>>79346553
The epistles of St Clemet. He was the fourth pope and was also mentioned in the bible. Acts I believe. He was friends with st. Peter. Who also consecrated him.
You can read the wring of Ignatius of Antioch too. He died in the 107ad.
For a more broad reading these are authors from the the first to early 4th century. (Many Before Constantine's edict of Milan). They all talk about apostolic succession and the church as a whole.
St. Polycarp
St. Iraneaus
St. Justin Martyr
St. Ambrose
St. Cyril of Jerusalem
St. Athanasius
St. Augustine
St. Jerome
>>79347255
Judaism and Islam still exist, sir. 'By their fruits shall ye judge them', not on words. Also on scripture, which was virtually forbidden to Catholics until Vatican II
None
>>79341555
Islam
>>79347255
>tfw I love SSPX but I can never bring myself to separate from Rome
Bieng a traditionalist and loyal Papist is exhausting. But I guess it was never meant to be easy. If it was I would have stayed at protestent.
>>79341555
Roman Catholic.
The original and the best. Created the bible and preserved it for a thousand years.
Responsible for reintroducing literacy and preserving the classics during and after the dark ages.
The rock that western civilisation was based on.
Responsible for the evolution of both peer review and the scientific method.
Sponsor of the great artists of the renaissance.
Theory of just war the basis for the Geneva conventions.
Vast theological depth including St Augustine and causality.
Anything else is a pale imitation.
>>79341555
Why would you want to? It's universalist garbage.
>>79347333
None of the early authors on your list talk about the 'primacy of the papacy'. And none of these authors wrote scripture.
No indications that Polycarp or Justin believed in a Trinity, or that Jesus was co-equal with God.
Polycarp was considered the leading figure of early Christianity after the death of John (the last living apostle, and so the only one alive to transmit 'apostolic succession'), and he was Bishop of Smyrna, and was quartodeciman (only celebrated 'eucharist' on the 14th of Nisan, annually, not daily like heretics do) and had a disagreement with the 'bishop of Rome' on this point, who was already doctrinally falling away from truth
>>79347387
Nonsense. You just had to educate yourself and learn to read Latin.
Something that was challenging for illiterate peasants who wanted to follow looney cult leaders and corrupt monarchs promising immediate apocalypse. Something that typifies Protestantism to this day.
The leaves that fell from the tree and rot where they lie, protestants.
>>79347227
There are still miracles matter of fact a dead Orthodox bishop from Dallas was found incorrupted not too long ago.
>>79347387
>forbidden to read the Bible
Protestent myths. It was never forbidden. The reason why it was not ephazied was that most bibles were in Latin and most were Layity were illiterate. Not to mention before the Gutenberg bible. Books were hard to come by.
Also it's important to understand contex when reading the bible. Without knowing theology and historical context in which it was written there is danger of interpreting the scriptures wrong leading to heresy.
>>79347869
Fruits of Catholicism:
Mass torture and murder of innocents
Relentless prostitution in the political sphere, including currying favour with dictators like Hitler
Sexual abuse of children on an industrial scale
Perversion of the truth
How anyone can openly admit to being Catholic these days eludes me, must have a tough hide
>>79341555
Gnosticism.
>>79346340
How does anything but predestination make sense? If god is all-knowing and made everything things only happen because he made them to happen that way.
>>79347857
At but the bible specifies Christ appointing Peter his succession.
Natural law is evidenced as any earthly organisation tasked by divinity with preserving a truth must have a clear leader as all functionally successful organisations do.
>>79347857
St. Agustine explicitly talks about the bishop of rome as having primacy.
So does St. Ignatius of Antioch. 250 years befor him
From St. Irenaeus' writings that show evidence that sacraments (as we know them today) were contrived later by man
1. But there is another among these heretics, Marcus by name, who boasts himself as having improved upon his master. He is a perfect adept in magical impostures, and by this means drawing away a great number of men, and not a few women, he has induced them to join themselves to him, as to one who is possessed of the greatest knowledge and perfection, and who has received the highest power from the invisible and ineffable regions above. Thus it appears as if he really were the precursor of Antichrist. For, joining the buffooneries of Anaxilaus to the craftiness of the magi, as they are called, he is regarded by his senseless and cracked-brain followers as working miracles by these means.
2. Pretending to consecrate cups mixed with wine, and protracting to great length the word of invocation, he contrives to give them a purple and reddish colour, so that Charis, who is one of those that are superior to all things, should be thought to drop her own blood into that cup through means of his invocation, and that thus those who are present should be led to rejoice to taste of that cup, in order that, by so doing, the Charis, who is set forth by this magician, may also flow into them...
There's more, but the comment will be too long.
>>79347925
Yeah, I also met Elvis the other day
>>79348005
Many people were executed for translating the Bible into vernacular languages and reading it in those languages. Having grown up in a Catholic family I can tell you that it wasn't the practise of Catholics to read the Bible at all, only catechism and other books. This started changing in the 70s only.
also
>you can't understand the Bible. Let father read it for you and he can tell you exactly what it says
>>79341555
some obscure American protestant branch that plays with snakes
>>79341840
>be Southern Baptist
>realize that everyone at your church is a nigger, and that you too are a nigger
>>79348045
Double predestination is the herasy. Not predestination.
God is all knowing but he does not predetermine determine who will be saved. That would totaly negate free will.
The sacraments are pagan origin
>The view most widely held today among upholders of the historico-religious theory is that the Eucharist and the Mass originated in the practices of the Persian Mithraism (Dieterich, H. T. Holtzmann, Pfleiderer, Robertson, etc.). "In the Mandaean mass" writes Cumont ("Mysterien des Mithra", Leipzig, 1903, p.118), "the celebrant consecrated bread and water, which he mixed with perfumed Haoma-juice, and ate this food while performing the functions of divine service". Tertullian in anger ascribed this mimicking of Christian rites to the "devil" and observed in astonishment (De prescript haeret, C. xl): "celebrat (Mithras) et panis oblationem." (Pohle J. Transcribed by Joseph P. Thomas. Sacrifice of the Mass. The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume X. Published 1911. New York: Robert Appleton Company. Nihil Obstat, October 1, 1911. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York
You don't need any religions in your life, mate. They're all a bit silly.
If you're just converting to be part of a clique then fucking none you underage idiot.
>>79348299
Sola gratia: Only by grace can you be saved. Doesn't God decide who receives grace?
PRAY THE ROSARY!
>>79348063
Christ gave Peter the 'keys of the kingdom', but in early councils Jesus' brother James was the one who made the decisions. When Peter went to Antioch, Paul rebuked and corrected him. It was Polycarp who was the most prominent Christian after John. After the deaths of Peter, James and Paul, John was the leading Christian.
>>79348356
Thanks for your profound contribution Bruce
>>79348284
West virginia has the snake handling churches
>>79348216
You correct that's why I said not ephazied.
Also
>children dont read quatom physics book let a physics explain it too you.
See the point. Anyone can read it but and understand it but you need to have a good background in history and theology to understand it.
>>79348356
>yes goyim, you must only seek to acquire material wealth, looking for any spiritual meaning or truth in the word of God is just ridiculous skydaddy nonsense!
>>79341555
dont cuck yourself
>>79348033
Shallow and trite, if this is indeed your thought then you have a lot to learn. You particularly seem unable to divide the secular and ecumenical and seem to believe that bad individuals mean that an organization is condemned. The Catholic church recognises evil exists and seeks to destroy the church from within if possible or without.
It is ironic you use the phrase perversion of truth as that is exactly what your reddit level neckbeard post is.
>>79348045
Free will trumps predestination.
>>79348299
>herasy
Learn to spell.
>he does not predetermine determine who will be saved
Yes, he does. Or he's not the all-knowing creator.
>That would totaly negate free wil
Free will can not exist in a system with an omnipotent creator. Why do I have to keep saying this? Why is it so hard to understand?
>>79348129
Correct.
The Church of Jesus christ of Latter-Day Saints or LDS for short.
>or mormon
Don't go all shithouse crazy with it though. Read the scriptures and infer your own knowledge from them that you can use to better your own life and the life of those you care about.
Mormons like to get too serious with it and take everything as literal fact. They also use their powers of the church to take dominion over their followers as to sew iniquity and separate themselves from the rest of society in an elitist fashion.
In a way they're like a business but they're also tax exempt.
The main point of the LDS church is that you agree with yourself and God to uphold a righteous set of tenants that improve your life at the price of freedom, creativity, individuality, etc.
These tenants are GUARANTEED that if you follow them to the letter you will have the righteous life you always wanted.
>Modest loyal wife
>No less than 2 beautiful children who are well disciplined
>Beautiful white picket fence lifestyle
The church will take you into their fold and will take care of you like a family.
This is only IF you take these tenants. However, not everyone is ready to take these tenants and so they don't but may later on.
This is the only church I've seen that has a guaranteed positive outcome in the face of "service".
If you want my opinion on the matter though go Rasta it's a lot simpler.
>Respect everyone on a simple baseline of being human
>Try to learn to see the differences in people and learn to love them for it (doesn't mean you have to like them or associate with them)
>Try to understand the differences in people
>Read the scriptures and infer knowledge that helps you get through life
>Dedicate time out of your day to meditate and reflect on your life, choices you've made and where you're at
>>79343642
The Orthodox Church is the one closest to the original teachings. Also, priests are allowed to have a family which makes them less likely to be molesting.
>>79345313
Yeah.
Orthodoxy is great. We don't seek to convert anyone but you're free to join. I attend an Orthodox Church in New York City.
>>79347654
What about our Cucked Pope though? I consider him a borderline heretic at this point.
>>79348519
Sarcastic greentext doesn't make things less true. It is nonsense to look for "spiritual meaning" because none exists. Do you have anything that says otherwise besides your FEELS?
>>79348216
Stop lying there is a good boy.
As you know at Roman Catholic mass there are daily readings and they compose a major part of the Mass. Further family bibles and bibles as gifts are common.
You statement is a reflection on either your imagination or your frankly highly unusual 'Roman Catholic' family.
Frankly it sounds more like the daydreams of a typical protestant bigot, who like muslims seem to believe it is OK to lie as long as they are evangelising their faith. Roman Catholics do not do that..
>>79348621
How can free will exist if there is an omnipotent creator? If he knew everything from the time when he created everything how can you meaningfully say we make any choices?
>>79348765
Pope benedict is the REAL POPE
Return to the catholic church
>>79341667
Be an Anglican! They're respected by the rest of.... lol
Nah j/k
>>79348626
that depends on your definition of free will lad
read this
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibilism
and you will get a better understanding of free will and determinism. Most Christians seem to subscribe to the idea of compatibilism.
>>79348756
I am not going to lie, I have been considering it due to our current Pope, but I still feel that would be a grievous insult to many Irish Ancestors to give up after one bad pope.
I just pray things will improve in the catholic church soon.
>The Paulicians, held that...all external religious forms, sacraments, rites, especially material pictures and relics, should be abolished.
Many of the first christians saw these pagan sacraments and refused to take part.
>Celibacy became an ideal for the clergy in the East gradually, as it did in the West. In the fourth century we still find St. Gregory Nazianzen's father, who was Bishop of Nanzianzos, living with his wife, without scandal. But very soon after that the present Eastern rule obtained. It is less strict than in the West. No one can marry after he has been ordained priest (Paphnutius at the first Council of Nicaea maintains this; the first Canon of the Synod of Neocaesarea in 314 or 325, and Can. Apost., xxvi. The Synod of Elvira about 300 had decreed absolute celibacy for all clerks in the West, Can. xxxiii, ib., pp. 238-239); priests already married may keep their wives (the same law applied to deacons and subdeacons: Can. vi of the Synod in Trullo, 692), but bishops must be celibate. As nearly all secular priests were married this meant that, as a general rule, bishops were chosen from the monasteries, and so these became, as they still are, the road through advancement may be attained (Fortesque A. Transcribed by Marie Jutras. Eastern Monasticism. The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume X. Copyright © 1911 by Robert Appleton Company. Online Edition Copyright © 2003 by K. Knight. Nihil Obstat, October 1, 1911. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York).
Early christian leaders and preacers were not only not celibate, they were encouraged to get married and have kids
>>79345618
This. The doctrine of Catholicism is fairly solid. However the current leadership leaves much to be desired
>>79348626
OK if free will doesn't exist then what's the point?
Why repent? Why did Christ have to die?
I hate these stupid fucks who think religon is like some kind of club you just slip in and out of on a whim. You might as well just tip your fedora and join the atheist bandwagon if you don't have and legitimate faith in God.
>>79348338
Please note that the source you site in fact rejects the historico-religious theory while must beloved of the atheist community is a thinly joined pack of nonsense when examined in any detail.
>>79348765
pope cuck is just evidence to me that even the highest levels of the church have been infiltrated. we need a medieval style purge or something to flush the corruption and subversion
>>79349017
is there a story to that pic?
>>79349113
Also the longer Francis continues to do this shit, the more the moral authority of the church will decline.
>>79349046
Popes come and go. He may not be our favorite but he has not and will not speak herasy ex cathedra.
Don't give up on Church. We've had much worse Pope's than this.
Baptist, literally no rules.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eu85pZNoWY
Early Christians did not refer to the Holy Spirit as God
>trinitarian scholars understand that:
1) a concept close to what is trinitarians teach about the Holy Spirit was not widely accepted until the fourth century,
2) normal understanding of koine Greek reveals that the Holy Spirit would be impersonal, not a person,
3) the work of the Holy Spirit can be attributed to an impersonal force from God,
4) second-century heretics were associated with treating the Holy Spirit as a person,
5) early church writers made statements contradicting the current trinitarian view of the Holy Spirit, and
6) after the trinity was accepted, later writers decided statements must support the trinity, hence essentially PROVING that the Holy Spirit as part of a divine trinity WAS NOT an original early Christian teaching.
>>79349174
How the fuck can you do that without having another Schism?
>>79349270
True, but with the re-expansion of Islam becoming a thing again, I feel our Church is woefully unprepared to handle it.
>>79343365
>Anglican
>Heresy Tier
>>79341555
Orthodox
>>79348356
Wisdom of the ages and depending on your disposition divine, Ever heard of causality,peer review, or indeed the induction coil.
How about Michelangelo's finest work the sistine chapel?
How can you appreciate it without also appreciating the theology it is expressing?
How about the fact that the origins of most of the oldest and greatest universities lie in the monastic tradition that reintroduced literacy to western civilisation after the dark ages?
And it offers nothing?
You are joking right?
>>79349161
refer to this
>>79349039
>>79349161
Because that's what God wanted to happen. If there is an omnipotent creator there is no real point to anything, things just happen because he wills it. If we accept this situation as reality we may see things as being good or bad but really everything is just neutral because it's all his will.
>>79349392
Doesn't Anglicanism have female priests now?
Be a really charismatic assembly of god pentecostal or something.
They're on some psychadelics man
>>79349531
wew lad, so is it god's will for you to kill yourself?
>having free access to the bible
>choose to have other people how to interpret it
ecclesiastical hierarchy is for morons and is unamerican.
>>79348511
'Not emphasized' is understating it I feel. At one stage it was completely forbidden, to the point of being a capital offence. Prior to Vatican II though, it was just firmly discouraged.
>>79348565
Yes, hide of elephants. Many of these wicked men have been *popes*. How can there be apostolic succession current when the Borgias have been Popes? When supposedly celibate individuals have had dynastic succession?
I'm not talking about outlying individuals here, I'm talking about the church's key officers and its rotten heart. The Inquisition still exists, it has never been repudiated (although Galileo was pardoned, bless 'em, recently). In the Middle Ages, despite supposed infallibility, it persecuted those who said the Earth revolves around the Sun. The Vatican itself is corrupt, with its fingers all over Mafia money, and its prelates and curates adopt a party oriented and mostly homosexual lifestyle.
>>79349531
stop being ignorant the centuries of philosophy on free will and determinism
>>79341555
Roman Catholic. Literately god-tier
>>79349539
Depends on where you are. I've been to a few that dislike the idea of a female priests. Even ones that open it to them none are stepping up, but the option is open to them. Honestly I have only heard of them but have yet to encounter one.
>>79349384
Just remember the words of Christ and have faith.
SHALL NOT PREVAIL
>>79348439
The early church established apostolic succession an unbroken chain linking the Roman Catholic church to Christ.
protestantism is the fracture of the Church to accommodate corrupt secular rulers and cultists.
>>79348974
I specifically said
>this started changing in the 70s only
And if the readings were/are in Latin, this is irrelevant since none of the congregation could usually understand it. I specifically mentioned the Bible in the vernacular
>>79349624
If we go with the Christian perspective of an all-knowing creator god, yes, I would only be doing it because it's his will.
But that's a load of bull, a man makes his own choices in life.
>>79349085
Enforced celibacy and idolatry are condemned in the Bible
1 Timothy 4:1,2
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.
Celibacy has been a factor in a lot of subsequent perversions. There is a reason why the scriptures specifically forbid enforcing such a rule.
anti-Semitic
>>79348765
What he says as an individual is worth listening to but has no more weight than any other individuals thoughts.
>>79349719
This is an Irish home movie.
>>79349289
Jesus also said, "The Father is greater than I"
John 14:28
>>79349531
>everything is neutral
Wew lad. Sounds like you need a lesson on the nature of good and evil.
God is Good. And I don't mean God does good things or judging god by some standard makes him good. I'm mean God is the fullness of Bieng good. Remember the phrase "I am." he is the standard his very nature is good. He doesn't choose what good and bad since he IS good.
Evil on the other hand is the distortion of God's will or the absence of it. Sin if you will.
Or was Christ lying in the new Testament when he talked a out good and evil?
>>79341555
Convert to any that aren't heretical, i.e. they keep to traditional doctrines for the most part. Maybe join the Anglican/Episcopal Church and try to protect it's sacred traditions from the homosexual menace. Catholicism is good so long as you're willing to battle the Pope when he's a tard.
Eastern Orthodox
>>79348756
An organisation wholly run by the KGB which was resuscitated along with 19th century imperialism and pan Slavic nationalism to serve as an extension of an authoritarian secular state in Russia?
Humm.
>>79341555
>>
None, just treat your fellow men like you would like to be treated. Disregard bullshit rituals, I am sure you have heard of Jesus, just try to be a bit more like him.
>>79348384
Men are saved by faith and works.
One is dead without the other.
>>79349834
The Roman Catholic Church has repudiated Christianity in so many ways. It has adopted idolatry, polytheism (saint and Mary worship), consorted with the most wicked of men and women and made some of these its officers, and persecuted those bearing witness to truth.
However, many individual Catholics are sincere and decent people.
As Revelation 18:4 says
"Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "'Come out of her, my people,' so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues"
Any sincere ones who have been fooled by Babylonish teachings need to flee from her
>>79349162
And a conscience. Which you have an obligation to inform>
Roman Catholicism is the thinking persons religion.
>>79341555
>the first and true church
You don't have to rim the pope tho, just relise he's important
>>79350310
Not entirely, some of it is run by the Turkish government ;)
What do y'all have to say about the living church of god lcg.org
>>79350310
Christianity as a whole was a tool for the empires/government ever since the roman empire adopted it and until the french revolution.
I feel this quote from Archbishop Fulton Sheen is appropriate for this thread
>>79341555
Become Catholic but maybe don't take it overly seriously. The Church is an institution of Western Civilization. It's tradition, history, and culture.
I believe in many things about Christianity but I also don't allow it to suck the life out of me like some do. It should embolden you and give you a nice community of people not bring you down. Basically, don't be a flagellater
>>79349270
As the doctrine of Papal infallibility does not resonate with my informed conscience I as a Roman Catholic have always considered that that it should be reversed. It is a realtively modern innovation which for me was a response to the politics of the 19th century.
Thankfully Popes are 99.999% ex cathedra and the pieces that are considered part of the magisterium resonate with me as truthful
I say go latin mass Catholic via FSSP or SSPX or whatever. It takes some work, but it's worth it.
Orthodox seems to be fine as an alternative, but in E. Europe they're pretty corrupt, I dunno why people think they're some bastion of le old church or something.
>>79350375
works are a product of faith which is a product of grace.
A true bible believing Christian will do works anyways.
Jesus told the thief on the cross that he'd go to Heaven
Catholics are no different from Muslims in that sense. Trying to earn brownie points with God even though your best deeds are like FILTHY RAGS to God
>>79350375
Saved by faith, but without works faith is dead
>>79350176
>is the distortion of God's will or the absence of it
Do you read the things you type? If he is omnipotent and he created everything how can things go contrary to the way he wants them to?
>>79350572
I don't hate sinners, just the wicked deeds they practise
>>79350555
>He says without knowing Roman Emporers had constant conflicts with the church even after the edict of Milan
Emporer Constantine was an Arian christian yet the Church rebuked him for it.
Emporer Theodosias, who made Christianity the state relgion, was litterly brought to his knees asking for forgiveness after the bishop of Milan excommunicated him for executing 200 pagans. Still even after he was allowed back in the church he had to sit with the penitents for months.
>>79350730
Yes yes, angry low brow protestant.
I'm sure heaven is not full of angry ranty protestant snakecharmers condemning everyone but them to hell.
That kind of thinking is exactly the problem with protestant cultism.
>>79350973
Compatibilists often define an instance of "free will" as one in which the agent had freedom to act according to their own motivation. That is, the agent was not coerced or restrained. Arthur Schopenhauer famously said "Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills."
In other words, although an agent may often be free to act according to a motive, the nature of that motive is determined. Also note that this definition of free will does not rely on the truth or falsity of Causal Determinism.[2] This view also makes free will close to autonomy, the ability to live according to one's own rules, as opposed to being submitted to external domination.
>>79341555
>>79341555
We are the only ones who adhere to the Bible. The Bible is the word of God. We are the only ones to practice what Jesus Christ commands. Nobody else does this but us.
>>79350555
Actually it has fundamental concepts that are an athema to secular powers, such as equality in judgement and obligation to charity.
You have a narrow view framed by Marxist Leninist tradition. Garbage in other words.
>>79341555
Orthodoxy
>>79341667
Pentecostalism? Wtf? Have fun speaking in tongues.
Go Orthodox
>>79351046
Constantine was responsible for the final formula of the Council of Nicaea. He wasn't trinitarian though, the Trinity came much later. Most of the bishops at Nicaea were Arian, as was most of the Ekklesia, but they acquiesced with the imperial will.
Theodosius* killed more than that in Thessalonica, who weren't killed for being pagan but merely being riotous. Ambrose (never bishop of Rome) was engaged in a power play with the sovereign of the day, as many prelates have been since.
Theodosius did enact measures (unrebuked) against the Arians though
>>79351286
You automatically condemn yourself as you readily condemn others.
Advocating damnation for others is a hallmark of protestant cultism.
>>79341555
kekism.
>>79351371
A parochial Russian cult.
>>79351286
Yes, essentially this is true, although I am not claiming perfection for myself or my co-religionists. Essentially from my understanding it is JWs who practise and understand the scriptures in truth
>>79341555
Any branch of christianity that reads the bible is not christian.
You're just pro-Jesus Jew or Anti-Jesus Jew.
> I had some super hot ultra christian girl way into me at like 14 years old but dismissed her because of my ultra cool stoner teen lifestyle
>tfw 27 and this chick is now a 10/10 who is happily married
I honestly just want a quick painless death at this point, someone please inject helium into my apartment while I sleep.
She was literally obsessed with me. I could have married her.
>>79341555
well i wouldn't recommend Catholicism. i cant fap without feeling guilty, fornication is totally not ok.. pretty much everything is a sin and you have to tell your sins to a priest and its awkward as fuck.
>>79351471
I don't advocate damnation for you. We don't even believe in eternal torment. We want others to be saved, that's why JWs are the most missionary group of all.
Everything is up to God. I do believe that JWs understand the scriptures more clearly than does the RCC
(this is not even meant as a personal criticism of any Catholic, as I said Catholics are often good people. You have to accept refinement from God in the course of a life dedicated to Him)
>>79351436
>most bishops were Arians at the Council of Nicea
Than why did Arius only have like two bishops side with him on the final vote. Why did tritariansm prevail? How could Constantine help write the Nicea cream when his side lost?
>>79351586
Only cults require exclusiveness in salvation. As a Roman Catholic I can accept a good man who believes in God and lives in harmony with Christs teaching will not be damned.
Cults need that if you are not in you are cursed factor.
One of the problems with would be cult leaders is they don't get many job opportunities in the Roman Catholic church.
Roman Catholics do not cut ties with members of their family o friends who decide they are atheists for example.
You also embrace apocalyptic obsession.
You should broaden your horizons.
>>79351766
What are you smoking, and how much of it have you smoked today
>>79351779
Is that a picture of her?
>>79351913
Like Arius, he was a pupil of Lucian of Antioch, and it is probable that he held the same views as Arius from the very beginning; he was also one of Arius' most fervent supporters who encouraged Arius.[5] It was also because of this relationship that he was the first person whom Arius contacted after the latter was excommunicated from Alexandria by Alexander.[6] Apparently, Arius and Eusebius were close enough and Eusebius powerful enough that Arius was able to put his theology down in writing.[7] He afterward modified his ideas somewhat, or perhaps he only yielded to the pressure of circumstances; but he was, if not the teacher, at all events the leader and organizer, of the Arian council.
At the First Council of Nicaea, 325, he signed the Confession, but only after a long and desperate opposition in which he "subscribe with hand only, not heart"[8] according to ancient sources. It was a huge blow to the Arian party since it was surmised that the participants in the First Council of Nicaea were evenly split between non-Arians and Arians.[9] His defense of Arius angered the emperor, and a few months after the council he was sent into exile due to his continual contacts with Arius and his followers.[10] After the lapse of three years, he succeeded in regaining the imperial favor by convincing Constantine that Arius and his views do not conflict with the proclaimed Nicene Creed
Some of the Arians did so out of fear, others out of expediency I imagine
>>79351781
Maybe you migh have a family is you fapped less.
Either way it is a venial sin like being a glutton on chocolate and it is in fact an Irish cultural obsession with sex bourne of our 19th century overpopulation rather than something that should be a critical part o your assessment fo Roman Catholicism.
The idea is that our body is merely a vessel we are navigating this dimension in and therefore being over obsessed with bodily pleasure is poor preparation for the rest of eternity without a body.
Eastern Orthodox hands down.
Soyrce: Had Serbian grandparents that were based af.
What do you make of one of Scientology's teachings: Your life and the rest of others has already, in fact it has passed by before an infinite amount of times, and it will continue to pass an infinite more amount of times after the one your living now! Once it reaches an infinite amount of times, it will happen again an infinite amount of time, and again after that one!
My take is that I believe Scientology may be on to something, but they're missing Christianity altogether, I believe Christianity has a place somewhere, and they leave it out.
Their religion wants to encompass all of life, but they leave out a pretty important part of humanity.
>>79351781
>wouldn't recommend Catholicism
Certainly you forgot about the whole systematic pedophila thing, eh?
>>79341555
Orthodoxy has all the beautiful liturgy, music and art. It doesn't have all the innovations of Roman Catholicism (popes, purgatory, immaculate conception of Mary, treasury of merits, etc). Based early church.
As far as Protestants southern baptist convention is probably among the best, stylistically it's TOTALLY different but they get a lot of things right theologically which is miraculous considering no direct connection to original church.
Anyway wherever you go just make sure they REALLY believe in Jesus and affirm the nicene creed. The rest is cake.
Then make sure you stop judging them and submit to the church discipline and don't keep hopping around to try to find just the thing to suit you. It's man serving God, not the other way round
Anyway congratulations anon, you're doing the right thing and I'm terrifically happy for you brother
>>79351818
How about having a track record of believing the apocalypse was constantly imminent in the early 20th century?
I'm sorry I do not asses your faith from a perspective of ignorance, I understand it and I reject it and to me it is an atypical protestant cult, of which there have been many and will be many more. Some may be considered broadly speaking Christian, some anything but.
They are all leaves that fell from the true Church due to the pride of individuals who wished to lead their own cultic groups.
>>79351926
So you don't believe in the "One True and Apostolic Church" then? The Church has always taught (perhaps not emphasized recently) that if you aren't a baptized Catholic, you will roast in torment forever. How cultic is that? And this has been affirmed be several 'infallible' popes.
As I said, I don't even believe in eternal damnation. Excommunication is still on the RCC books, but they only tend to exercise it when one speaks against certain Church policies and Church corruption.
The Bible does mandate shunning for apostates. Not extra-judicial murder (as was common during the Inquisition).
The worst thing that can happen to you in JW theology is that you are dead eternally, without pain, without consciousness.
>>79352108
Sorry this was from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusebius_of_Nicomedia
>>79352252
mm yea that too, that sucks btw and priests are weird, some of them just have a weird vibe to them idk how to explain it.
>>79341555
Put your trust in Christ alone for your salvation, and the Holy Spirit. Will guide you
Catholicism before Vatican II
>>79352108
I can spot a traumatised Episcopalian seminarian a mile off.
While the early church is fascinating it in now way establishes the validly of your protestant cult and its self inflicted divorce with the Church universal.
Nice to see the person with the CIA relative surface here though. It's normally Russian far right trollfarms stuff.
>>79342325
>"we've had a christianity generals for ages"
No we haven't you stupid newfag.
>>79350851
Works are the result of faith eph 2:10
>>79343365
As a gnostic I am thoroughly butthurt.
Well done.
Orthodoxy is still the best though.
>>79343642
Roman Catholic Church actually not all bad, but lots of delusional members...
As if the current pope wasn't evidence enough that submitting christs church to the direct authority of one man wasn't a terrible and unbiblical idea
(Inb4 on this rock I build my church, see when Paul corrects Peter about ministering to Gentiles. *infallible pope Peter* on essential doctrine
>>79351051
>There is no salvation outside of the Roman Catholic Church
Catholics are the ones who murdered millions of people ever since the beginning. When has a protestant killed a catholic? Protestants are open, Catholics say join our church or go to Hell.
Notice how defensive dirty papists get when you insult their church. They care more about an organization than Christ himself.
>>79352791
Btw Ireland how fairs the Church there? I've been worried since yall have stopped exporting priest by truck load.
I've even read that in some parishes yall are having a shortage.
>>79352653
people who should never have been priests sadly. A priest is just a man though.
Much of modern life is too obsessed with what we do with genitals. The infinity of time and what is pure good along with the quite remarkable teachings of Christ are rather more profound.
>>79352217
Hinduism does that too, more or less, but Scientology has a lot of other weird and nasty stuff
Scientology is the ultimate red pill, try the starting test sometime
>>79352420
They believed that the end was going to fall in 1914. They misunderstood the implications of 1914, but were right that the date was of significance. The early Christians were also in a state of expectation.
Nothing more cultic than proclaiming openly wicked and immoral individuals as somehow infallible, perverting the truth, hiding it from the masses, and inveigling in the political and criminal affairs of the world
>>79353013
>catholics killed millions
>sins of the followers apparently negates the words of Christ
K
>when have protestent killed a catholic
Queen Elizabeth doesn't ring any bells? Or the mass murder in Northern Europe during the reformation?
Thomas Moore? Nothing?
>>79343365
As someone who was raises as a JW his whole life and left a few years ago, they should be in Bro tier or Heresy
>>79341555
Any Protestant churches and stay away from Mormon .
>>79353020
religion made me obsessed with sex everything about sex was hidden from me from a very early age, if i had been born an atheist i wouldn't have much of the perversions i have today, which are caused mainly by my religious beliefs (i know i have it all wrong) but the damage is done. catholic religion has made me a pervert in a way i find it so hilarious and contradictory
>>79351471
>>79351471
>>79351471
If that were the case then JW would not have such huge missionary campaigns to both help people gain an accurate knowledge of the Bible, God and the Christ. We also would not do this for demographics of people that spit on us, persecute us, and hate us if we wanted them condemned.
Our message is simple and the same as Noah's. There is a giant cataclysm coming. We are warning you, if you choose to respond we will show you the way to safety. If you choose NOT TO RESPOND then your blood is on your hands not ours.
>>79351586
>>79351586
Hello there, fellow brother/sister. How many emu's accepted the message today during the campaign work?
>>79351926
>>79351926
>Only cults require exclusiveness in salvation.
>Cults need that if you are not in you are cursed factor.
This is not a JW policy, this is an actual Bible teaching.
(Matthew 7:13, 14) “Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; 14whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.
Eph 4:4,5 - 4One body there is, and one spirit, even as YOU were called in the one hope to which YOU were called; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
>As a Roman Catholic I can accept a good man who believes in God and lives in harmony with Christs teaching will not be damned.
(Matthew 7:21-23) “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.
>>79352969
True. There are nearly a billion RCs and a wide breath of views, but the core tenants of faith are summarised well in the apostles creed. Beyond that people may have diverse cultural addendums. It is a Church Universal.
>>79351926
Don't lie, no you can't
>“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church can have a share in life eternal
FROM YOUR CATECHISM
>>79353433
I don't blame Catholics, I blame the ORGANIZATION it's indoctrinated into
>>79353489
No they deny the trinity, that is a damnable heresy
>>79345773
>If they believe it is God's will for people to get sick or die, they are trash
His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" Jesus replied: "Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.
>>79343416
Lmao praying the gay away, just like the church I go.
What do you guys think of westboro catholic church?
>converting to religion for acceptance and memes
Fucking pathetic
Worse than muslims, kill yourself
>>79353013
People are the ones who have murdered millions.
Yes some of them were Roman Catholic.
No one claimed that being nominally Roman Catholic automatically made someone good or perfect.
That's more the territory of protestant cults.
>>79341555
Where in the Bible does it say be a certain sect? Just accept Christ and spread the gospel. Catholicism and all that is a meme
Can someone explain to me why sins against the Holy Spirit aren't forgiven?
>>79353713
Do you mean westboro Baptist Church
>>79353018
Churches are full. Secular media would like to pretend otherwise.
>>79352911
True, but they have a symbiotic relationship in keeping faith alive
>>79352969
It was a figure of speech by Jesus, he said you are Petros (a rock) and on this Petra (a large rock) I will build my ekklesia. It was well known that Jesus was the cornerstone, and he applied it to himself
I Peter 2
Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind. Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation, now that you have tasted that the Lord is good. As you come to him, the living Stone--rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him--you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For in Scripture it says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,"and, "A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall." They stumble because they disobey the message--which is also what they were destined for.
Jesus is clearly the cornerstone and foundation
>>79353751
The Roman Catholic church (organization) is behind that.
As Christians we're told to judge them by their fruits. So I am judging the Roman Catholic Church by their pedophilia, sex abuses, murders, and thievery.
>>79353798
Yes sorry, is it a legit church?
>>79353489
Religions ≠ members
>>79341840
This
>>79353794
The Holy Spirit is what convicts some one to come to Christ, so if you offend the Holy Spirit, it won't work in you
Christians can't commit this sin because we have an I dwelling of the Holy Spirit
>>79353590
The Holy Trinity doesnt make sense tho
>>79353192
Causality cannot be reconciled with pantheism and many of the less publicised aspects of Hinduism also encompass what to me seem satanic aspects, including traditions of child sacrifice. The caste system is also repugnant to any thinking person. It is cruelty made intergenerational.
>>79353794
https://youtu.be/PdnLgIVF6Ow
>>79353851
Nope, once you put your trust in Christ your good to go. 1John 5:11
Matthew 7
[13]“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. [14]But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
[15]“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. [16]By their fruit you will recognize them.
>>79353965
Its still just heretical though. I dont think people have done enough research into their teachings
>>79353567
Hi brother (I'm assuming you're a brother since there are no sisters on the internet ;) )
I've been a bit sick, so I was just browsing randomly until I hit this thread.
As I said, we don't believe in damnation, as eternal hellfire is not a biblical teaching, but one cannot expect God's favour unless one does things his way.
Romans 10:2
"For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to accurate knowledge."
>>79351948
no that's a picture of an Australian model
can someone please explain if the westboro church or group is just condemned because christians are expected to condemn it by society?
>>79353794
It refers to the Pharisees who were so twisted and satanic that they said Jesus was performing magic via the power of devils. God himself was in their presence and they called him the devil. This was the unforgivable sin. It can't be committed today
>>79345855
>what's wrong with Calvinism
Calvinism:
God made the world shitty and evil and hates mostly fucking everyone. He didn't send Jesus to save them either, he literally created them just so he could send them to hell to be tortured eternally. He sent Jesus because he arbitrarily loves some small group of people even though they are literally no better than everyone he hates. It's important to his self image to get super pissed off at people who couldn't possibly help the way they are, and he feels better about himself when they get slaughtered. In fact it's necessary for him to torture his mindless slaves in order to exist. God is a psychopath beyond the worst dreams of any human who could ever live and he's the only real being in the universe and we're all chess pieces that have sentience just so god can make us suffer more fully. He shovels endless truckloads of babies into hell because he thinks it makes him more glorious and improves his self image.
Lots of Calvinists are fine Christian people magically anyway thank (actual gracious) God!. Probably they don't give much thought to their church doctrine. Literally beware any Calvinist who DOES think about those doctrines seriously and likes them. Potential serial killer tier.
>>79353930
Idk, there Calvinist, but I kinda have as problem with the idea that God hates people
>>79354352
>>79354325
Are their opinions condemned because it would be improper for other christian groups to publically support them or is it because they are outcasts?
>>79354068
Premise one: only God can forgive sins
Premise 2: Jesus forgave sins
Premise III: Jesus is God
>>79353771
Well the magisterium of the Church and apostolical succession being given verbatim by Christ would beg to differ but I like that Roman Catholicism has primacy of conscience at its heart..
>>79354325
That's not calvinism at all.
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day."
UNLESS THE FATHER WHO SENT ME DRAWS HIM
>>79354200
Once you put your trust and faith in Christ, your deeds reveal the genuineness of that faith.
James2:14-24
4 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my[b] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[c] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[d] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
Paul was primarily talking about works of law. Christian works are essential for salvation, just as one must not practise wicked deeds
>>79353590
>>79353590
“The impression could arise that the Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention. In a sense, this is true . . . The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Volume 14, page 299.
“The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”— The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299
“The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are Greek philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—John L. McKenzie, S.J., Dictionary of the Bible (New York, 1965), p. 899.
John L. McKenzie is a Jesuit Catholic Scholar and his book, Dictionary of the Bible, is considered imprimatur.
>>79353582
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_Ecclesiam_nulla_salus
It's about the oneness of the church. Those that are saved are a part of the church whether they know it or not. There's no other protestant heaven, atheist heaven, or whatever to be sorted into.
>>79354531
Idk I'll look into it though, they tend to be one of those churches that believes that they are the only true church left, so that usually doesn't go well, not to mention protesting soldiers funerals doesn't sit well with conservative Christians
>>79354246
It's not even a church but a publishing company.
>>79354730
I'm not talking about the extra ecclesiam nulla salus. I'm talking about the catechism that specifically says "Roman Catholic Church". This was taken out in modern catechisms (in the 90s I believe).
So that tells me either:
-They still believe everyone else is going to Hell
or
-The "unchanging" church actually changes dogma quite often throughout history
>>79353912
No. You have been programmed to hate by bigots. I note you choose to ignore the contributions to preserving the bible for a thousand years the spread of Christian teaching, the reintroduction of literacy and learning in \Europe after the dark ages, the massive contribution to the establishment of education and hospitals etc etc etc
People do wrong. There are people who claim to be church members for evil ends.
>>79354646
Yes James is talking about people who claim they have faith, but don't act like they have faith.
He differs demonic faith, to a saving faith
>>79354273
>>79354273
You're doing God's work. Nice to find another on here. You probably don't know this but I"m the one who starts the JW threads on /pol/. Mostly on Saturday nights Pacific Time. Hope you feel better and look forward to never being anonymous in this world anymore as protection.
There are 70,000 people give/take on /pol/ a day. Some will notice what you say and take it to heart. Keep up the good work. It is not futile.
>>79354584
>that's not Calvinism
Yes it is. You're just used to seeing it dressed all up in prettier words. Same fucking thing.
Explain limited atonement in normal conversation vocabulary without it being "you were existentially fucked before you were even created and Jesus did not come to help you and definitely didn't die for you but wants you in hell because this pleases (Calvinist) god"
>>79346430
JWs kill themselves by refusing blood transfusions - a belief that is unheard of in any other Christian tradition and based on their poorly translated bible.
>>79354068
Three leaves of the same root. Distinct but one.
>>79354683
Inspiring philosophy on YouTube, has a good section on the trinity, check it out
>>79354953
I love all Christians which is why I'm trying to help you and save you from such a corrupt organization.
Do you even read your own Catechism? Try is some time
>heretic, heretic, heretic, heretical, heretic, heretic, heretic, heretical
Throughout history the Roman Catholic Church used "heretic" as justification for murdering people. Fact. Catholics get absolutely bloodthirsty when a Christian refuses to bow down to Rome
>>79354584
One can be drawn by the Father even though one was formerly wicked and essentially rejected. Predestination implies that God has a roadmap for each individual, which I reject. It implies that God is wicked, because he predestines some to be wicked.
James 1:13-17
When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. Don't be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters. Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.
God cannot do evil, it is man in his own free will (egged on by the Devil) who chooses evil, or in some cases good.
Predestination is what makes Mohammedanism what it is.