Did you used to be a liberal? What changed your mind?
>>79318329
Things like that
>>79318329
I was and still sort of am a moderate liberal, but the regressive left has *really* made me lean right this election. SJWs are fucking cancer.
Why can't we all agree that both the left and right have good ideas. Why does it have to be black vs. white. It's bullshit.
When people started calling me a nu-male on /soc/, even if I look like one, I don't have to be on, you know.
Also through this whole Brexit thing, I got more and more right wing anyway.
Identity politics took center stage
I don't give one single fuck who or what you are, stop whining about it you miserable fucking pricks.
Millenials are bad enough but
I fear for all proud westerners when the next generation is allowed to vote
Gen Zor whatever its called
>>79318329
Moving to London.
>Become edgy teen
>Turn right instead of left like most teenagers
>Actually read shit to back up claims.
>Kind of stuck.
SJWs mostly. I'm still pretty liberal, I don't even consider these people to be liberals since their mindset is deeoly authoritarian. I just can't call myself a lefty anymore because the left has been poisoned with cancerous retards.
Gayfag reporting. A few years ago I got accused of being misogynist for not wanting to have sex with women. It was the old "sexuality is a choice" argument but from the left. Thus began my alienation from the left. There was much more that happened, but that was the first time I really started thinking about my views critically.
>>79318329
The Bible.
>>79318329
At first I was like yeah, but then I was like nah. They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
>>79318329
When I found out that abbos get a shitload of benefits and handouts for basic "achievements" that whites, asians, and even black people manage to get through just fine in leafland. These include:Graduating high school, turning 18 (19 depending on the province), and starting college. There's probably more, I'm sure Trudeau has some kind of gibs system setup on the way out for them.
wow rly make u thonk....
>>79318329
>Wear assless chaps
>Drink fag juice
>Talk about cocks
#homolyfe
>>79318329
I used to, but the last 1 year or 2 changed me. The left became cancer
>>79319669
to be fair you're sort of obligated to do something for them in that vein.
>>79318329
>yes
realizing how annoying and transparently contrarian most hipster liberal cunts are and that progressive "values" arent really values at all. because they are not quantifiable, and they are always changing. i like to live my life by a set of rules and morals. i also refuted white guilt, and most progressive policies but didnt even realize it because i viewed conservatives as backwards by nature. i dont know if it was tv, music, msm, or youth but i eventually found most of that stuff revolting once i "grew up"
>>79318329
I bet for 80% of /pol/ it was other liberals. Any rational person would feel disgust at their behavior and want to disassosciate himself from them.
I even went through the whole phase of trying to tell other fellow liberals "look, I'm on your side, but you shouldn't call them names. Just argue with them calmly and present your position. they'll come around". Of course, nobody cared.
Fuck those vicious cunts. Everybody who's so completely sure of their moral, ethical and intellectual superiority is dangerous.
Someone literally told me that I'm a "white male" so my opinion didn't count.
Fine, they're just one retarded feminist. Then it started happening regularly.
>>79318329
Don't really know what happened. I became anti immigration and anti EU long before /pol/ when I saw the arguments and thought they were convincing enough.
Used to be a ''Leninist'' in my mid-teens.
>>79319937
I'm not obligated to do shit, residential schools have been closed for years, the only people who went to them are super old or dead now. Why the fuck do I have to pay for "reparations" for crimes I never committed?
high horse. pretentiousness, elitist attitude, etc
It was a gradual process, switching from liberal to conservative. I attest it to actually learning about society.
I actually liked Bernie Sanders once. And then I saw the "Bernie Sanders voter starter pack" picture, and I was like okay, let's see why Bernie Sanders is so stupid with economics.
I've been on the ride ever since. It all makes so much sense now.
They stopped giving a shit about science and all this gender politics bullshit. And I started actually paying attention to world politics and realize the left has nothing to offer.
>>79319669
>>79320421
Sorry, I didn't mean you specifically, I was referring to the state.
And it's just common decency and grace. Your nation isn't exactly hemorrhaging money to pay reparations, and it's not like your aboriginals roam around in large gangs raping your women, so what's the harm?
If you australian, I'd probably agree with you however.
>>79318329
I stopped being a 16 year old idiot who said what he thought everyone else wanted to hear.
used to watch Daily Show. news presented as entertainment is dangerous.
then i got a job made some money. now i'm aware of jewish tricks and chose my side appropriately
>>79319277
Pretty much the same for me too.
It all started with reading about secret nazi weapons, then my intereset switched from their technology to their ideology, started watching documentaries, and now here I am.
>>79318329
I did a lot of drugs during my youth and realized that hitler didn't do anything wrong.
>>79318329
Was more apolitical than liberal desu. It's just that the narrative in school is liberal so you think it is the only right way of thinking.
>>79318329
>If you're not liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not conservative by 40, you have no brain.
/pol/ simply accelerates the process.
I was a "liberal" during the Bush administration because I am just a contrarian prick and I'm against whoever is in power
https://youtu.be/xHash5takWU
>>79318329
I got a job and grew up.
when my gf started fucking black guys
>>79318329
I got a job and started paying taxes.
>>79320634
Welcome
>>79321009
>being a degenerate fuck dependant on the state and gibs from whitey is OK if only a few people do it.
They're just about as criminal as the ones in 'straya, the farther north you go the worse they get. They make up a huge amount of our prison population and don't do fuck all for this country, so why should we give them anything for any reason?
>>79318329
This board. I voted Obama into office the first time. Thought republicans were fat redneck losers. Didn't see a problem with wealth distribution.
I am a changed man with a traditional wife who also lurks here daily. We are having 5 beautiful white children and raising them properly.
the most I have ever been was classical liberal but no never liberal
went from edgy anarchists tween to right to libertarian
one time I was a little off and writing ideas and my friend read it and was like this is communism. not even once.
>>79318329
Getting a 9-5 job, learning from older co-workers experiences, and cancerous SJWs who waste time crying about bullshit instead of things that actually matter or effect the majority of people.
>>79318329
college
>>79319101
I am a millennial.
Fuck my generation. Terrible priorities and no real long term goals or dreams.
Wait I mean, we have dreams but we post about it on social media for short term validation instead of actually working for it.
>>79318329
answer to your first question.
yes
answer to your second question.
the real world
>>79318329
Obamacare is why Hillary will win.
I was born a Nazi.
>>79318329
I grew up
>>79318329
I never found that picture weird
It's perfectly normal to be in your pyjamas at home
>>79318329
When I saw homeless people getting more rights than homeowners and contributory citizens
Owning a home makes you grow up quick
>>79318329
Reality.
>>79318329
>[Hide] [Show All]
I grew up.
>>79318329
Lord KEK
>>79318329
I'm still a liberal and proud of it!
I used to be a fedora tier athiest. I guess over time I realized religious values are important to society.
I saw the real world for what it is.
>>79321959
Especially if you sold all your other clothing to pay denbts, I suppose.
Did you used to be a liberal?
>I used to be what you'd probably describe as a liberal.
What changed your mind?
>Identity politics and hurt feelings took priority over economic issues. Also recognised that people in general are apathetic towards all but the most simplistic of political concepts. Ultimately, it's a hopeless cause and it's easier to just watch the world burn.
>>79318782
>/soc/
Reddit is down the road and around the corner
>>79318329
>What changed your mind?
I grew up and started paying taxes.
I realised that, while it nice nice to have the government provide for you, you live a much more fulfilling life if you do it yourself. At least that's how I internalise it. In reality it was more going to /pol/ a few times and consistently getting purple in political compass threads.
>this whole thread
Beautiful, /pol/
Never
>Family was upper middle class Christian conservatives
>>79318329
He redpilled me when no one did
>>79318329
I used to be a leftist, now I'm a liberal.
>>79318329
I was leftist or awhile but back in my mind always kinda anti-immigration. Videos like this changed my mind. These people just straight up hate whites and don't mind lying or abandoning all principle to further their political agenda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDf772OWmxg
I used to be somewhat of a liberal. Things that turned me off - SJW's, entitled feminist culture, race baiting culture that black people use. Blaming it all on whitey. It made me think of my family roots. My grandfather was a 13 YR immigrant when the depression hit. Had nothing. Decided to make something of himself. There were no white ties he had, no power, no influence. He just up and did it. Made me question how people can blame their lives on shit that happened before they were born. I was done with all of the apologists and excuse makers. I could care less about gays, trans, or religion. What got to me was the culture of blame and excuses.
>>79318329
They say young people are liberal, but I don't think young people have political beliefs at all.
>>79319307
decades ago, the left tried to fight international capitalism on behalf of the working man.
today, the left fights the working man on behalf of international capitalism.
it's really scary how fast things can change.
Family are all redpilled right wing Christians. I started turning into a SJW libtard for a brief time around the age of 17 but quickly swung back to the right.
>>79318329
I stopped feeling so much and started thinking
A liberal will save a chicken from a fox, feeling for the chicken.
A conservative will realize that by denying the fox it's dinner, all you're doing is killing the fox
I was never a lefty, despite being a young non-autistic millennial. However what started me on my drastic swing to the right was Islam. Freaked my parents out by questioning the holocaust and I didn't even deny it.
>>79319208
THIS HOLY FUCK I FEEL YA
>>79318329
Grew up in a white anti white household. I literally never heard one nice thing about whites as a group until I read pro white literature on the internet.
I noticed from a young age that many liberals were anti gun, which I never was. I always believe in "fighting the power" with effective weapons.
As I got deep into reading pro white literature the lights came on. I was fighting against my self and the very culture that had allowed for my family and I to live so well.
The further I read the more I became informed about the Elite Class of society and it's all consuming need for cheap labor. Since this requires mass immigration from poor brown countries, the Elite's must break all white solidarity every time it arises.
As I began to study investment, I learned of the Central Bank and the Money Printing Advantage. That is where the Federal Reserve gets to decide how much new money to print. Then they get to decide who gets the new money.
That is how they win all their fights. They control the funding of all society and can make wealthy or poor, anyone they choose.
>>79323303
Do you talk to your family about their self hating ways? Because they're cancer.
i used to be fairly liberal. i can't remember what exactly changed my mind but being forced to do diversity training in sixth form and coming here probably didn't help
>Did you used to be a liberal?
Yes.
>What changed your mind?
My worldview was shaken pretty badly by an assault I witnessed. I actually stopped it; it was four "unarmed youths" trying to decapitate an old white man with a shovel. Being that I was a witness to the crime and that each good boy who dindu nuffin was tried separately, I spent a lot of the next several months at the Milwaukee County Juvenile Justice Center as well as the county courthouse (one was tried as an adult).
It was absolutely sickening. The courhouse in any urban area is like a nigger daycare. Hordes of blacks come and go daily for failing to pay child support for years, driving without licenses for decades, shooting people over shoes, having sex on paygrounds; all manner of depravity. There were sometimes fights in the halls, and even in the courtrooms.
The "families" (such as they were; usually single grandmothers) of the offenders didn't seem to care much about what their children had done. They treated me like some kind of Klansman for having witnessed and intervened in the crime. One of the boys' "pastors" actually attempted to intimidate me (I would wager that all the offenders' families made such attempts, but I shrugged them off after my first complaint to bailiffs went unanswered). That guy laid it on pretty thick at sentencing, even suggesting I was somehow involved in the crime.
Anyway, by the time of the Zimmerman trial I realized everything I'd been taught about a society's most important matters was a fucking lie. Equality is a fucking lie and diversity is a fucking plague. And a lot of the power structure knows this.
It isn't even so much that I'm no longer "liberal". It's really that those issues are intra-social questions. I'd much rather live in 1970s East Germany under autocratic socialism than in American multicultural democracy today. And we are all of us—black, white, whatever—finished if we don't figure out how to disentangle ourselves from this thought paradigm.
>>79318329
Still am a Liberal
And I really wish people see the difference in SJW and Liberals
We are not the same
I believe in the advantages of the government while still believing social issues are still a problem with political correctness being a hinder on progress
It's also important not to generalize, you cannot assume a political stance, shared around the world has everyone thinking similar
>>79318329
i still am liberal
but the left has gone absolutely insane, it was always bad at handling differing opinions (in a healthy society there needs to be a plurality of different views) but the sjw shit has made it even worse.
i'm a liberal myself but i prefer nazis to the left.
>>79318930
Identity politics are good. Solidarity with your own kind is a glorious thing and the more people embrace pride in their identity the more politically active and united our nation will be.
>>79319318
That is a legitimate criticism of the left wing- that they never are against rape for the sake of human rights, but for the sake of equality. They support rape in cases where sluts commit rape by fraud to infect their spouses with STDs, when trannies lie about their gender history before sex and when lesbians are far more likely to rape people that the average man.
>>79319937
If they are, the reparations should be one time, not a permanent mortgage, just as the crimes were temporary.
>>79323551
I and they had many a vicious verbal fight over it and now we almost never talk about anything serious. Especially my father and I never talk much.
It's a little weird in my case. My family and I are all very mean people so we have alienated many, many people over the years.
We though hard about it and decided that I would live in one of their houses and they in the other. We see each other a bit but like I said, no serious discussions.
I certainly don't breath a word about writing pro white propaganda on the internet.
My dad is an old working man though (money came through mom's side and some to my name when I was still a white anti white so they can't just take money away from me.
I can talk to my dad about Money Printers all I want. He gets really angry when I point out that they are very Jewish.
So I'm an amateur propaganda writer and investor and I get left alone most of the day/week.
The way the media covered the Trayvon Martin case. I'm ashamed it took me that long.
Forgive me, /pol/
>>79322686
Don't be too libertar tho bro, it is shit tier without geoism.
Natural monopolies are real, not a myth. The only efficient solution to them is to realize that laborers own the value of their labor but cannot own natural opportunities to make use of their labor.
>>79321959
thats a comfy picture
>>79322475
>Ultimately, it's a hopeless cause and it's easier to just watch the world burn.
t.edgelord
>>79318579
fpbp
>>79318329
working and getting mony.
I used to be right wing but I became more moderate after coming to /pol/.
People here are fucking retarded.
>>79324263
LA Riots was worse, the media cutting out the part were Rodney KANGZ hit the cop
Martin case wasn't entirely the media's fault, dumb people actually looked at Zimmerman & said, yup, that's a White dude
But someone like Jessie Williams with blue eyes & freckles is Black...
>>79318329
Facts that aren't just based around muh racism.
>>79323870
>I'm slightly less delusional than an SJW
>please don't compare us
ok... *cough* NAIVE *cough*
>>79318329
Only superficially. My brother, who is 8 years older than me, shamed the racism out of me when I was in late grade school/early junior high and he was in college. My mom is a teacher and thus has always been very pro union. Plus I liked the daily show and hated Bush.
Then I went to college and was surrounded by ideological weirdos who casually hated on FUCKING WHITE MALES, and knew something was up. Discovered stuff like Penn and Teller's Bullshit and Pat Condell that definitely changed my perspective, but the thought of actually shirking the label of liberal made me pretty incomfortable.
Then I became friends with this guy who openly admitted to voting for Bush and would drop nigger jokes all the time, much to my other friends' chagrin. But that kinda made me stop giving a shit what liberals thought.
Then Ron Paul ran again in '12 and gave me a candidate I could support that didn't get me totally ostracized by my other friends and I began to fancy myself a libertarian.
After graduating from college and joining the real world, I stumbled upon /pol/ in early 2012 and have been here ever since.
>>79324923
R A R E
>>79319277
Same really, at the beginning I was just "far right" to be a contrarian
>>79318329
You never changed me.
/pol/ is a great window to the mind of people on the wrong side of history. Nationalism, civic and ethnic, are in their death throes no matter what you want to believe, or how much you post anime girls with MAGA hats. There's no going back to the tribal, 19th century view of history as atomized units independent of one another, economically or socially. We're all interconnected and will continue to become more connected. There are no real hermit kingdoms anymore.
What do you bigots even have to complain about? Global capitalism has spread to virtually every corner of the world. You have untold luxuries before you. Girls are getting sluttier. Asses are getting bigger. You have iPhones, laptops, the finest food, materials, and music, precision engineered to be as pleasing as possible, to suit every want. Even our drugs are orders of magnitude more powerful than those of the past, a lower class man could laugh in the face of a Chinese emperor with the wealth modern capitalism has brought him. Millions have been lifted out of poverty. It's even helped Africa's population to blossom into what will be around 1 billion people by 2020. We're moving in the right direction, and you can't escape from it.
>>79318329
GG. I was an avid /v/ poster. Then one day the entire board hive minded with a ferocious fury, the likes of which I've never seen. Found /pol/ since then and realized the left's massive amount of bullshit.
>>79320634
>"Bernie Sanders voter starter pack" picture
Oh God I have to see this
>>79318329
When Obama got elected and I found out that democrats don't actually care about America
I used to be a hardline neonazi, kinda getting into fascism, but /pol/ turned my views 148 radians and I'm now a classical liberal.
>>79325264
The problem is that people who aren't white are starting to benefit from it
I did. I was so liberal I voted for Obama. Twice. The first time I can excuse myself for because it was my first election, and he had a lot of people fooled. The second time I was just being an idiot. Since then I went back to college, and combined the shit I saw there before graduation and the news. The regressive left pushed the Democratic party further and further down an insane road, so I felt like they left me behind. I guess now I'm moderate-right now.
Started to hate communism, feminists and gay people.
Then discovered /pol/.
>>79325264
its shilled hard though, damn. figure it out. fuck em
>>79318329
>was a liberal in every way in highschool and when going to community college for a while
>moved out of my parents and got a job (didn't finish school)
>paying taxes, paying bills, browsing /pol/
>slowly became redpilled
the only liberals I know are either:
1. in college/living off someone else
2. old and well off enough that they aren't in the struggling working/working poor class anymore
>>79318329
> "Liberal"
I am an atheist and an egalitarian.
However....i HATE Islam (atheists arent necessarily minority apologists)
I support gun control, but only in the increased scruitny of purchase. Not taking guns from anybody. I have plans for getting my own handgun soon.
I am vehemently anti sjw. In fact, over the last couple of years, I am being pushed to the right. They make somebody who might otherwise sympathise with them in to the enemy.
> While straight cis male
They literally attack me like I'm the problem because of the color of my skin and sexual orientation. The same reason I would shit talk on the right.
I now place myself firmly in the middle.
> Reduce immigration. End affirmative action. Remove sjw courses form schools.
> More scrutiny for firearm purchases. Oppose religion of any form interfering in government. Support marriage equality (don't buy religious arguments of opposition)
>>79323180
A liberal will leave the coop open and let as many foxes as possible in
>>79318329
1) Black Lives Matter
2) Micro-aggression
>>79322960
Pretty much this. I highly recommend Thomas Frank's book Listen, Liberal to anyone that wants to educate themselves on what happened to the left
>>79325703
>women are not inferior
>blacks are not inferior
>ISIS doesnt represent muslims
>religion and dogmaticism are dying
>despotic regimes are withering
>the world is in an unprecedented period of peace
>global capitalism is unavoidable
>america is already great
But of course you people will stick your fingers in your ears and shout LALALALA THE JEWS COMMIES NIGGERNIGGERNIGGER
>>79323180
bad analogy.
>right-winger will save the chicken and kill the fox
>lefty will let the fox eat as many chickens as it wants and blame the farmer and the rest of the chickens for taking the foxes land
I got a job
>>79318329
Ex-commie here.
Spanish 15-M movement literally made me a conservative. Couldn't stand those smelly hippies.
Always been patriotic, anti-feminist, anti-ecologist and hated the Spanish Republic flag though.
>>79326486
let's pick one.
>blacks are not inferior
pic related. I would love to see some of your proof for any of those claims
nigger.
>>79321959
Why is that little person playing vidya on a toaster?
>>79318329
No I've always based my political views on reality and statistics. In theory I'm a libertarian but it would only work in a homogenious society of northern europeans or perhaps one with east asians.
>>79326928
How does this make you feel, stormweenie?
>>79322915
Look at these comments on that video. These are the type of people we're dealing with on the other side. I thought it was bad in 08, but these past couple years have been scary. "the right to not be offended" used to be scoffed at by the left as a right-wing bogeyman, but now it's one of their central tenants.
Used to be a neo-con as a teen, then a moderate, then a liberal, still a liberal now.
I'm educated and have been learning about geopolitics since I was 14, I've come to my conclusion and been tested by /pol/ for 3 years. I'm dug in and I'm a liberal leaning independent.
>>79326928
Don't reply to very obvious bait.
>>79326417
looks good
next on my reading list, thanks anon
>>79318329
I used to be a gigantic bleeding heart liberal. Then - funnily enough - when I quit smoking grass, I started to actually think about more than emotions and short term fixes to major issues. Liberalism is a plague and a tool to silence truth
>>79325264
>wrong side of history
>Nationalism
>anime girls
>no going back
>interconnected
>africa's population ... blossoming
LE FISH AND LE TRICKY HOOK MEME
>>79327152
Ree? Nah it makes me feel correct, niggers are too uncivilised to control their population. Thus the contributing to the spread of disease, nature's way of controlling population.
>>79327261
I'm well aware. Just trying to put up some information in all threads I visit in case we have summer/new fags lurking
>>79327152
Makes me dread the sad commercials they'll be playing on TV once the black population reaches 8.4 billion and we've exceeded our capacity to feed them. God damnit I just wanted to watch cartoons fuck
I considered myself liberal for tolerating minorities to a certain extent. Now I openly advocate genocide.
GG
>>79323870
I'm not calling you out for being liberal. That's your choice. But it seems to me that all liberals put feelings before reality. You're willing to accept certain things that are obviously wrong while failing to assert things that are right simply because someone might get their feelings hurt.
As just one example, when addressing an underperforming black student, liberals don't push that student to achieve higher standards. That would be racist and unfair. Instead the liberal solution is to simply lower standards so that everyone feels equal. It's a race to the bottom. And it's destroying the US.
>>79321959
It's because he's a baby-faced hipster cradling his warm beverage like an effete little poof.
>>79327549
I would bet 100 bucks that you can't accurately and succinctly describe what that data means and what it doesn't mean.
>>79318329
I moved out of my parents house in my early 20s and lived on my own supporting myself. After paying out the ass in taxes, seeing the left become more and more anti-white, and observing niggers in a public setting, I decided enough was enough and my inner Nazi appeared.
Before I had moved out of my parents house I was a big time Bernie supporter and pro socialism. This was 5 years ago before most people even knew who Bernie was. I used to get emails all the time from him
I used to be ultraliberal.
Understanding the communist connection, and how liberalism is a subversive ideology designed to destabilize society did it for me.
>>79327864
why would I do that? that's the job of the statisticians who gathered the data. the "accurate and succinct description" is written above and below each graph. faggot, here lemme post my paypal so you can pay me thanks
>>79327864
It's not complicated. Sexual promiscuity is correlated with negative life outcomes.
You can twist it around, say it doesn't take wealth, race, education, religion etc.. into account, but that doesn't discredit it at all. Inductive reasoning is still reasoning even when it doesn't play into your narrative.
I'm still socially liberal, with the exception that I want every muslim deported from my country.
>>79318604
>what is libertarianism
I used to be very liberal. Went to college and all the blantant man-hate and white-hate made me reevaluate. Now I'm fiscally liberal but socially alt-right.
I once dumped a girl because she was too conservative for me, wish I could take that one back.
>>79318329
Got a job and started to work. Got pissed off about the "entitlement" of feminists. How they wanted everything for nothing. Probably the biggest one was the rapes in Germany thar were done by migrants and how the majority of Germans and swedes had to submit to dirty mudslimes. That pissed me off a lot.
>>79328177
>>79328323
Yet both of you try and put more into this than what it actually said. Correlation doesn't mean shit especially when you have confounding variables.
Any attempt at attributing causation makes you look like an uneducated retard, which both of you probably are.
>>79328651
It's still a strong argument, even with confounding variables. It's not proof of any claim, but at the very least it merits further study (which'll never happen since liberals control the pursestrings of academia)
If this graph tied say, gun ownership with homicide, you'd have the exact opposite argument. You people only have these strict standards when it counteracts your beliefs.
Don't fucking try to deny it.
>>79328651
not seeing an argument there. why don't you try providing some data and a hypothesis rather than make ad hominems all day
It was Ron Paul, then getting firsthand experience living near ghetto black people. Also I had a conversation with a person who was pro-Union but held conservative values, which was interesting.
>>79329261
Unlike you I'm not retarded and I don't have a 5th graders understanding of political affiliation. I like casual sex and guns. Also, depression is a much more likely independent variable along with the fact that this is in the context of our current society, if the average number of partners, we have have very different results. The point is that these data don't say shit about a causal factor, and implying that it does proves outright that you're a clown who doesn't understand data analysis or science.
>>79329330
I made my argument, you can't make any statement on causation when your study
A. Is using participant variables
B. has confounding variables
It doesn't say shit about causation.
Was a full on progressive libtard when I was 8. Having a conservative chemistry teacher in 10th grade made me think, so did college. Now I'm more in the center, but hate SJWs, and am very pro-gun.
>>79329261
If the average number of partners was different*
Growing up.
>>79318329
Finally started listening to my mum.
>>79318329
The fact that I celebrated everyone else's heritage but everyone of my minority friends thought my family's was ridiculous. That and all the other leftist double standards.
>>79318329
>Dad is a conservative, me a dirty liberal
>argue politics all the time
>he always stumps me
>"I know, I'll just learn all of the right wing talking points so I know how to beat my dad in a debate!"
>Start watching fox news, read right wing stuff online
>"hey these guys actually make a lot of sense..."
>Watch the first GOP debate, find out I FUCKING LOVE TRUMP
>Come across a video of Milo destroying feminists
>realize that feminist statistics are bullshit
>think to myself "what other statistics are bullshit?"
>discover all the statistics about black crime and mexicans
>finally understand that all the left does is shame people into their ideology by shouting "THATS RACIST"
>Listen to Obama brush off ISIS threats and attacks like they're no big deal, and act like it's somehow the fault of the US
>Now I fucking hate that nigger
Whenever they decided gay people couldn't reclaim the word faggot, I was done.
>>79318329
Yes.
Gospel of John and LOTR.
Growing up in a Muslim infested city gradually changed my faith in the left.
>>79329627
you haven't made shit yet. all you've done is create doubt about the contents of that image. you say "muh confounding variables" yet can't describe what they are and why they are?
The image presents an argument for correlation and possible causation. You haven't done anything. In other words, you are a faggot and once again NOT AN ARGUMENT
I voted for Obama
All my idealism has been replaced with pragmatism in the last 8 years of life experience
Suffer not the muslim, nigger or progressive.
>>79320037
They don't even have the excuse that they believe a Supreme Being is whispering all that truth in their ear. They just think they're that clever.
>>79330216
You sound like an uneducated retard, probably because you are. You can't say "muh" before a good point and somehow make it invalid.
Happiness/depression are both obvious confounding variables. Stay in school kid.
>>79318782
Wtf is a nu male
>>79330425
Not an argument, and another ad hom. Good job
>>79330984
You understand that an ad hom is an insult in place of an argument instead of an argument with an insult, right? Of course you don't, you are the bottom of the barrel.
>>79318329
was this a serious ad or is this a meme?
this country is headed for ruin
>>79331097
but i don't see any argument anywhere, you need a statement along with data and reasoning or else it's just a sentence bro. unrelated question, are you mad? because you seem pretty upset to me
>>79329627
> Unlike you I'm not retarded and I don't have a 5th graders understanding of political affiliation
Then why are you throwing a bitchfit like I just trod over the delicate flower of your hopes and dreams?
>The point is that these data don't say shit about a causal factor
For the last time, it doesn't fucking matter. And for the record, I never said anything about causation.
This is an unwise tack for you to take-- The common causal factor may be something that hurts your fee fees even worse. Consider if they broke it down by RACE-- black women are pretty promiscuous, and I can't image they'd be too happy in them ghettos.
>>79330471
Here
>>79331378
You asked about the confounding variables and I provided them. Your inability to comprehend what this means is why I'm insulting you.
>>79331465
>bitchfit
I believe this is called projection, I'm calm and really just laughing at the incredible ignorance of data analysis while simultaneously being under the delusion that you understand the studies and data that you are citing. I come to this board for the comedy of hate filled hermits justifying their pathetic lives and perspectives with pseudo-science and comically bad data analysis.
>>79318329
The out right lies that was fed to the masses about that gun grabbing NIGGER Micheal Brown. Seeing how my family ate that shit up and beleived he was a gud boi, then when the facts came out they ignored them and said it didn't matter if he was grabbing for the gun because "he started a dialogue" and that was all that mattered
>>79331378
Also out of curiosity, why are you posting gun friendly infographics? Have I posted anything that indicates I don't like guns? The opposite is true if you were paying attention or capable of doing so.
>>79331766
>I believe this is called projection, I'm calm and really just laughing at the incredible ignorance of data analysis while simultaneously being under the delusion that you understand the studies and data that you are citing. I come to this board for the comedy of hate filled hermits justifying their pathetic lives and perspectives with pseudo-science and comically bad data analysis.
That's an awful lot of two-dollar words for such poor prose, LaKweesha.
>>79331326
>mfw I wear pajamas and drink hot chocolate
all I want to do is be /comfy/ during a happening and these fucks make it liberal
I'm still a liberal. I'm a classical liberal. I just hate most other liberals who dont even believe in first principles
>>79331964
Ah we've reached that point.
You see, no one on /pol/ ever admits they're wrong. For some reason their political views and their perspective is tightly wound to their ego and self-worth. Challenging that by proving them wrong results in insults, strawmen and memes. I'll just accept your defeat.
>>79331670
I fucking got laser eye surgery because these cucks ruined glasses.
>>79332145
>>79331766
so taking one thing (# of sexual partners outside marriage) and laying it out with another (surveyed general happiness) to give a picture of correlation is bad? It's not my fault that that correlation exists, or that correlation itself inherently nods toward (but not necessarily makes an argument for) causation.
>>79331930
and no I'm just posting things because it's an imageboard, not a subreddit
>>79332323
It's not good or bad, it's neutral. All it means is that attempting to assert causal factors is ridiculous and coming from ignorance of how data analysis and science in general works.
Yes, I was a left leaning liberal for years. Shortest possible answer is reality. I stopped filtering reality through the liberal approved mindset and started just paying attention to things objectively without preconceived liberal bias. I grew up.
>>79332310
Exactly, thanks for being brave enough to admit that you're wrong.
>>79318329
>ever being liberal or left
It means until you developed your own brain you had shit teachers and shit parents.
>>79318329
I did. I eventually figured I was going to be called racist and sexist no matter what I did, even if I wasn't, so I might as well vote for my own self interest.
>>79332680
Interesting, most of my teachers and both of my parents always pushed a view far more right wing of what I became.
>>79318329
Chretien (and Clinton) at the very least lead during what were good times for the middle class.
Harper (and Bush Jr.) was a fucking tool that took us into shitty pointless wars on the other side of the planet and ruled during economic downturns.
And before the internet gave SJW a public platform insane SJW tier liberalism used to be sheltered in academia.
But, well, times have changed and so have I.
Used to be fairly left but after a stint of not caring either way whatsoever, I've reemerged as being fairly centrist.
>>79318329
never
>>79328525
>what is national socialism
>>79332462
>correlation means nothing and should be ignored
that my friend is true ignorance
>i love guns and casual sex
>this bullshit
>>79332145
>>79332310
>>79332545
well you should have just said from the beginning that you "have a dog in this fight" so to speak and are emotionally incapable of making an argument or accepting that your life needs rethinking. best of luck out there anon
Schooled into a leftard like everyone
then discovered the real world
Murray Rothbard
>>79332735
Then probably they weren't presenting you facts but forcing their opinion on you. It often meets with rejection. I said shit parents/teachers not left. Right wing parents and teachers can also be shitty.
>>79318329
yes
I changed when I found /pol/
all the memes are true
Wasn't really political at all. Just leaned left because it was what was taught. Never cared for feminism or identity politics though. That's what made me look deeper into what I thought.
Not really. A lot of my nationalist leanings are something I've always had. Literally the only leftist thing I believe in is pro-choice and that's entirely because the kind of people I hate get abortions. The less they breed and have offspring the better.
>>79332960
Strawman, then you making up my views for me then a completely delusional conclusion.
You got a good brain buuuudddy
>>79322953
They are depended on their parents and thus feel like a goverment should fullfill their parents role. Protect them and serve at every need
>>79333171
I'm too old to still be driven by what my parents and teachers told me. I've made my own conclusions based on my knowledge of history, sciences and my own personal experience. It has resulted in me being a left leaning independent.
>>79318329
When I hit puberty.
Liberalism is infantile.
>>79332545
That was me savoring all this salt, anon.
>>79333517
Interesting. Are you willing to accept that most people who see this board see its predominant philosophy as infantile?
This board really is the edgiest people from /b/ /v/ and /r9k/ coming together to discuss how they think things should be done, and it's a trainwreck. Really crazy that adults subscribe to the general philosophy of this board.
>>79333377
admit that the correlation is interesting and deserves further study. do it faggot
>>79329627
>I like casual sex and guns
we have id's here you know
now address that, do it faggot
lemme see ur brain anon, lemme see ur superior BRAAAIINN
>>79318604
That's just how people are.
You'll rarely see someone say "I like both cats and dogs" or "I prefer cats to dogs". It's "cats are the best and dogs are the worse" or "dogs are the best and cats fucking suck".
It's always an extreme and its antipode when people compare things. They think they can only make a point by doing that.
They like being edgy.
>>79331378
You have more of pic related?
>>79333737
what's crazier is adults who are brave enough to expose themselves to this place, yet are unable to come to grips with the fact that we might be right
>>79333987
here you go friendo
>>79333804
I didn't say it doesn't deserve further study, I said that asserting a causal factor being number of partners is an absurd leap of faith rather than anything logical. I think it's much more likely that depression and happiness are the variables affecting marriage success. Either way, we don't and can't know with the information we have. It's all speculation.
>we have id's here you know
now address that, do it faggot
Address what? I already said I like guns with this ID.
>>79318329
The Zimmerman trial. My friend was telling me about how some guy murdered some black guy and it was all over the news. I followed it a bit and the story didn't seem to be what actually happened. I saw the way Zimmerman was treated, how he was threatened, how people claimed he wanted to go out and kill a nigger. I saw all this while also seeing how Trayvon pretty much totally had it coming, and was the aggressor. I watched every day of that trial and saw how this major deal second coming of Hitler was completely innocent and still ended up on trial because someone decided to call him racist.
I mean I'm glad it happened because it was great to watch, but that was the final redpill. That and turning on the daily show (which I had stopped watching earlier as my liberalness was already starting to fade) to see their reaction on the trial, only to see [current year] man whining that they're giving Zimmerman's gun back and saying "are you kidding me" repeatedly in a raised tone.
I mean I've always been on /pol/ and /new/, but I had no idea how much I was being lied to. I knew it was bad, but I didn't realize things were that bad.
The worst part is, I don't know if I want to go back. I wonder if ignorance really is bliss. On one hand I look at these people like in OP, and pity them. On the other hand, I envy that they can go on not caring. I'll be talking to friends who also visit /pol/ and we'll be saying things that we can't believe are coming out of our mouths. Say that things maybe aren't quite like they seem, that a happening is going to happen soon, that things are going to get a lot worse and there will be a breaking point. I feel like a conspiracy nut when I hear those things coming out of my mouth, as if I'm some crazy flat earther. At this point I don't even think I'll get some satisfaction in being validated if shit does hit the fan, because I feel we'll lose anyway.
>>79334067
I've been here for 3 years, still know you guys are ignorant, irrationally hateful and many of you are just flat out stupid.
Personal interaction with niggers, white liberal cucks and learning dirty Kikes tricks through /pol/.
>>79318329
Never understood the fucking thought which went into this; it's an idiot with a smug smile. WHO THE FUCK IS THE AUDIENCE, AND NO MEMES!
>>79318604
because it is black and white. Start viewing the left and the right as dichotomies and you will realize they are. The left is extremely low agency, and ascribes low agency to everyone (except for white men of course). The right is very high agency. The left exhibits the behavior of a woman, the right of a male. The male wants to protect his borders, his women, his culture, and keep what he earns. The woman wants opennness, fee fees, to receive the products of men, and low agency.
>>79318329
I used to be a moderate.
Then I mentall matured to the point of adulthood, took the red pill, and here I am shitting up a political board.
I used to be considered a liberal but my ideas of personal responsibility and common sense disbar me from current leftist ideology. Also being an adult with a good job really changed my views.
>>79325264
Obvious bait post and I will bite.
These 3rd worlders from shitty countries just vote in/establish corruption. Look at Africa: tons of resources, beautiful land, and exotic wildlife. All being wasted on fighting in mudhut villages and civil wars. The chinese are now swooping in so because of this.
My state has been ran by liberals for 10+ years now and its fucking embarassing. Barely any industry left, taxes out of the wazoo because of high living costs, third worlders coming in for easy gibsmedats, worst gun laws in the country, disgusting pollution, and will stay this way because people want big daddy government to take care of all their needs.
That wonderful state is California... In Orange county things are still good but the rest is a fucking joke. Fuck you liberals and gibsmedats. You ruin shit just for short term security.
>>79334431
An absurd oversimplification of the issues. Mind-bending how simple you needed to make this in order to wrap your head around it.
>>79333502
Interesting, I am curios on what things you lean left and on what right. Also you'd be surprised how much impact early development and childhood have on your future conclusions. Nevertheless It's good to see that there are reasonable left leaning people.
>>79334107
>i said i like guns
i laughed. now talk about your promiscuity and level of happiness
I propose that the data suggests that a lifestyle that includes promiscuity leads to depression out of sheer loneliness.
>>79334270
then why don't you fuck off? you obviously don't like the kool-aid so why even come? to feel morally superior, but without ground to stand on regarding that? might as well just sniff your own farts you stuffy liberal
>>79318329
Realizing that athiesm was a meme in high school
>>79334431
>>79318329
>>79318930
I got older. First I was young, idealistic, and assumed socialist, happy go lucky ideas like multiculturalism and welfare would work because I wanted them to work.
Soon, I learned the ideas I had felt really good, and they sounded really nice, but in practice they worked out terrible. I was immersed in liberal culture, and a liberal town, and I saw liberals for what they really were. Lazy, low agency leaches who wanted to benefit from the hard work of others while blaming all their troubles on external forces.
>>79319277
same. I think I fucked up tho cuz my family is Hispanic/mix and we call niggers niggers. Fucking weird.
>>79334595
Ok. Keep it in your head, start paying attention and come back to me.
>>79326959
>>79334625
It really depends on the issue. I'm left on most things, right on others. There is no real pattern.
>>79334673
>I propose that the data suggests that a lifestyle that includes promiscuity leads to depression out of sheer loneliness.
Lol good for you, that's not what the data says, that's pure speculation on your part.
I come here because it's funny and because I just like to argue with people. Most importantly, the people here are really the worst people in any big congregation on the internet and deserve to be attacked and insulted. I struggle to find a more popular place on the internet with worse people. You deserve to be insulted and ridiculed for your stupid and hateful ideas.
>>79334977
You are living in a fantasy land where things are black and white, you might as well be a child. In all likelihood you are just an edgy kid on 4chan.
I'm still a classical liberal. What has pushed me away from those types of parties is insane progressivism that tries to push for positive discrimination against women for no logical reason.
>>79335014
>lol good for you
it is though. I have more evidence to prove it than you have to disprove it.
you still haven't talked about your promiscuity and if you feel depressed or not. that is if you weren't meaning that you WOULD be into casual sex if you could get any
>>79334595
go away, back to whatever board you came from
>>79334270
>"everyone's stupid but me"
If you're so smart then why do you only hang around dumb people?
>>79325222
Same, I would just talk about Nazis and make racist jokes because I was an unfunny, boring cunt and I liked the attention I got when people said 'oh my god anon you can't say that hehe' but I understood nothing of the ideology. Now I've gone pretty right wing and I'm PC as fuck in public because I'm terrified of being taken away to one of Theresa Mays Muslim bukakke re-education camps.
>>79318329
When I first started college I considered myself liberal. Liked the being liberal, buzzfeed, upworthy, occupy democrats facebook pages. Their posts became more and more disgusting/retarded.
Started browsing /pol/ 2 or 3 years ago. reminded me a little bit of old /b/ (which is now mostly trap threads or shit that belongs in /soc/)
>>79318329
I consider myself a liberal but I don't identify as one anymore because the left has gone totally mental. I support things like gay marriage and pot legalization but I'm voting for Trump because fuck the regressives.
>>79335269
You have nothing, that's what I'm explaining to you and you still aren't getting. This is why I'm calling you stupid, you really aren't getting these relatively simple concepts.
I love casual sex, have it pretty frequently and I'm a happy dude. I hope you also understand that the studies you're citing concluded that there is no significant difference for men and their number of partners.
I know you want me to leave because it hurts to be proven wrong, but I'm staying until my friends are ready to go out.
>>79335299
A lot of people here are intelligent, but they're total unreasonable assholes. 4chan tends to attract that type.
>>79333502
Seriously though, anon, your problem is that you are WAY too emotional. You barely understood the argument the guy who posted the chart was making, and you went off on some correlation != causation tangent.
You're trying so hard to swing with the big dicks here, but you don't have a chance as long as your opinions are based on lies and delusions. The guy who posted the chart isn't any intellectual prize, but the way you just stormed in here half-cocked like you were going to show us all a thing or two was embarrassing to watch.
I used to be a huge anarcho-capitalist type. I'd do exactly what you're doing now, come into a thread, so self assured that I could just wing it and win every single argument. "The free market fixes everything!" "Just boycott corporations who do things you don't like!" etc...
I'd get owned by down-to-earth types who could post cites about how capitalism isn't a bullet-proof formula, how regulation can prevent the corrupting influence of money on government, how socialism does work in some cases.
And it stung. Oh boy it stung. I'd resort to ad-hominem, I'd pretend I'd won the argument when I hadn't, I'd even fucking listen to right-wing talk radio to get "ammunition" for my next bout (realizing they always just picked the easiest arguments they knew they could win was a factor in me moving beyond this, but that's another story).
In short, I hate you because I used to be you. I may have been on the opposite side of politics from you, but the tantrums are unmistakable.
My advice is to get off these boards. Get a hobby, do something you love besides posting on a meme board. Improve. Be aware of the world around you. Read history, and observe it in action. Make predictions, then take note of how accurate you were. Get some friends with different perspectives from yours. Observe people from different backgrounds.
When you have a firm basis, then and only then can you stand for anything.
>>79335654
I won't say you're wrong, but it's pretty unreasonable to lump everyone together. Besides, most people tend to be that way. It's gotta be their way.
>>79335299
he's not smart.
>"""promiscuous""" (assuming sex is had)
>needs to feel better than others
>unable to think hard about the merits of another system of thought
>avoids talking about themself
not egotism, has to be insecurity. like big, big insecurity.
>>79335654
I think you missed this >>79332323
it doesn't talk only about women. how many times do you have sex in a month? is it considered "casual" if it's your hand by your definition?
>>79335909
>no intellectual prize
that hurts anon
>>79318329
It was a slow process, but it all started with Peter Schiff "I'm the 1%" video at the Occupy wall Street.
>>79325264
>World is becoming more degenerate
>What do you have to complain about
Things like this.
When Obama bombed Libya
>>79327152
that much of a population and bongo will still need help upgrading the congo as he bangs rocks together after the nightly village orgy
>>79318329
My mind was changed the day I said something bad about North Korea and was immediately shamed by a group of radical leftists because I talked ill about Kim Jong Il and his glorious democratic people's republic.
Saying that North Korea imprisons people for speaking out against the state actually triggers radicals.
>>79318329
Yeah, when I was 9-13. I thought only police should have guns and all buildings should be built the same. (really I was thinking there must be some perfect design, for everything, but it sounded like commie planning)
I've come to realize that left is the default/child mode of thinking. As you can observe in real life no one goes from right to left but tons go from left to right as they grow up.
>>79336144
Sorry bro, it's true. Not trying to be a dick here, but here's some critique.
> niggers are too uncivilised to control their population
The use of the word "uncivilized" it what sticks on me here. It makes it sound like they're obstinate lazy fuckers who stay in the ghetto to spite the whites. Fact is, there are a lot of genetic factors beyond theirs or anyones control. I'm sure blacks would build flying pyramids to Mars if they could-- it's not a moral failing that they haven't done so.
> statisticians who gathered the data
You can't just leave this kind of thing to someone else. That's lazy. You have to think through the implications of what you've read-- otherwise you're a dumb patsy for any manipulative info-slinger that comes along.
>NOT AN ARGUMENT
Please god no
>>79318329
You mean "left"?
Never
When these newer liberals, these SJW types started totally dominating liberal political spheres, I realized how inherently spineless and insipid the left was. No conviction, willing to bend the knee to identity politics.
Remember when Sanders let niggers storm his stage? That's like a metaphor for the left in the US right now. Now this shit isn't as apparent if you're not involved in college or with younger people or social media, but as I got more involved with people my own age, college shit and social media it became clear that this was degenerate cancer.
>>79334431
>When you're so unconsciously misogynistic you absent-mindedly associate every political trait you despise with women.
>>79318579
first best post post best
>>79337116
Did you used to be a left?
>>79326959
its a console
>>79323869
underrated post
did they get sentenced
>>79333502
I'll also say that there's hope for you yet. The fact that you engage with people of different opinions from you rather than just sticking with people who confirm your point of view is something most people don't do.
Most people just stand around in an echo chamber and post safe, proven opinions they know their friends will agree with. If they ever move outside their circle, it's just to taunt the outsiders-- to virtue signal. That you're doing this on an anonymous image board where none of your liberal friends will see makes me think this isn't the case for you.
Constantly being exposed to opposing viewpoints may hopefully, over time, improve your empathy. Empathy is the first step-- understanding why someone believes something you consider ridiculous, even subconsciously, will give you the ability to realize that sometimes, these ridiculous people have considered information you normally wouldn't let yourself consider, and as a result are absolutely right.
>>79323869
Holy hell how did I miss this.
who /classical liberalism/ here?
>>79318329
The reality of Black crime statistics and the surreality of the Ferguson coverage.
>>79338706
For the most part me, but I think societies should have the right to impose some limited standards on individuals, just to maintain culture and civilization.
>>79318329
I realized that it made zero fucking sense to try to redistribute money by feeding it through several layers of bureaucracy and that it would be best to happen organically, so the system which can best let that happen is the best system.
I was always anti-mass migration, nowadays even more so.
>>79318329
Becoming a business owner is the fastest way to get redpilled unless you really enjoy having your head buried in the sand.
>>79337017
> niggers are too uncivilised to control their population
>The use of the word "uncivilized" it what sticks on me here. It makes it sound like they're obstinate lazy fuckers who stay in the ghetto to spite the whites. Fact is, there are a lot of genetic factors beyond theirs or anyones control. I'm sure blacks would build flying pyramids to Mars if they could-- it's not a moral failing that they haven't done so.
so what you're saying is... you agree they are inferior.
>You can't just leave this kind of thing to someone else. That's lazy. You have to think through the implications of what you've read
I have. So what you're saying is undermining a the entirety of academia, and the benefit of being able to quote and post sources without having to mathematically proof everything.
And yes, the source in my first graph is the CDC, which I trust to be thorough for better or for worse.
Yes, but I got a job at 15, started paying taxes, and did a 180. Funny how that works
>>79339055
>but I think societies should have the right to impose some limited standards on individuals, just to maintain culture and civilization.
you're not a liberal then, classical or otherwise. the hallmark is social and individual liberty above all else
>>79318329
Honestly? Sucking a skinheads dick. I miss him. First time blowing someone.
>>79332145
>Anonymous image board
>People have an ego to protect
>Anonymous image board
Reddit.com is the website for you, you stupid faggot.
>>79318329
TYT becoming more and more apologetic of left wing crimes.
>>79318329
I used to be somewhat more liberal, but I am a scientist by education so naturally when I heard something in the media I started to do my own research and draw up my own conclusions.
That's where I began to notice the shameless lying, lack of evidence and touting of feelings over said evidence. When you do your own research you see the agendas and then you can look to history to get an idea of what end goal that agenda will result in.
Funnily enough I am still technically a left leaning person, but my generation is so extremely left wing that a lot of my opinions would have me labelled a conservative, bible-bashing, racist, right wing nutjob.
>>79333502
I was the same, but I looked closer at the information I was receiving and found it to be flawed. It wasn't my decision making that was wrong, it wasn't people's opinions being pushed on me, it was me not getting all the information.
That being said, I'm still somewhat left leaning in many ways because the right wing is flooded by religious nutcases. Who gives a shit if two fags are getting married, for example. They should be making a big deal out of degenerates acting out their fetishes in public, not two people entering a legal contract.
