>2016
>not a fascist
...what's your excuse?
I'm a fascist now. Thanks for the pic op
it's 2016
Because it's an edgy and dumb ideology who will never be popular in the future. Notice that neo-fascists are your typical dumb trashy rednecks with no education whatsoever, while the left/communists are intellectuals with a university degree.
>>79285954
I'm a traditionalist
>>79286695
>muh degrees
>>79285954
>fascism is a social darwinist philoshophy
But fascism lost to liberalism.
Now fascism is dead.
Doesn't that count as darwinism?
Because I'm not a LARPer looking to the dead past
>>79285954
>That redaction
Anyway, fascism is good in theory. It has never been tried.
>>79285954
My issue with fascism is, and always has been, the idea of handing the power of the entire nation state to one person/entity
This is ripe for corruption and abuse which, coupled with the restrictions in gun ownership to political adversaries, creates a system which is very hard to break without infiltrating it.
Assuming the person/entity running the nation is not an incompetent this would not be easy.
If Fascism were to employ a US style 2nd amendment and give more power to the people over the market (such as over regulations within it) through something along the lines of a medieval-style guild system I would have less of an issue with it as it removes a lot of the power from the singular entity over the everyday workings of the life of the individual citizens.
>gun ownership
Dropped. This is clearly bullshit.
>>79285954
fascism is an authoritarian centrist version of totalitarian communism. I prefer to not pick my means of demise while better options are available.
>>79287718
explain?
>>79285954
Because I like having control over my own life, not having it dictated by an outside entity.
>>79288140
What would your thoughts be if >>79287645
was employed?
>>79285954
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
>>79287804
we're American, we believe you have a right to own a firearm to defend yourself, even against your own government if needed.
The Fascist system deprives you of firearms if they think you oppose the government.
>>79288210
It's still just as bad as monarchy. You have very little control over your own life. It's no fun allowed.
Now I'm not an anarchist, or an ancap by any means, there needs to be rule of law when it comes to how you can affect other people's lives.
But I want as much possible control over my own life as possible, without impeding on others abilities to do the same. That's the goal of classic liberalism (not to be confused with modern/neoliberalism) and libertarianism. They have differing ideas on the scope of government , but the general ideal is to preserve liberty wherever possible.
>>79287645
This sounds pretty good. In my country Fascist is a buzzword just like bigot, It's portrayed as litterally "gas the jews race war now" in school aswell. But after looking into it I must say I agree with alot of what it's about.
>usury is illegal
Dropped. Anti-Semetism will never take hold again.
>>79288140
How would Fascism be more restrictive than current systems?
From what I see it's the same as what we got today.
>>79288608
>But I want as much possible control over my own life as possible, without impeding on others abilities to do the same
this is my issue with fascism as well
however I feel that there could be a modification of the system to allow for a larger amount of civil liberties without destroying its original purpose of keeping a productive nation state
>>79288677
Can you see any slight modifications outside of the guild system and 2nd amendment (also 1st - forgot to add that earlier) that could help preserve civil liberties within fascism?
The lack of civil liberties is the reason I wouldn't go over to fascism
>>79285954
>worshipping nature
>shunning LGBTQ
>if a business man is able to make millions then he deserves it
>democracy is abolished
looks like someone hasn't read any source material from fascist thinkers
all of those except the third one are subject to whatever flavor of fascism a state is in. the third one is factually incorrect, fascists do not allow people to get rich off of other people's work. I'm going to guess OP wrote this off of Hitler's state (which can be argued to not be fascist but ethno-nationalist) so to illustrate it in his terms: making money and not doing the work to earn that money is the way of the Jew. CEOs would be heavily taxed
>>79289048
>speak out against your government in a Constitutional Republic that grants you the right of free speech
>nothing happens
>speak out against your government in a Fascist State
>get imprisoned
Also in a constitutional republic with elements of democracy, we can vote and replace our representatives on a regular schedule, we have some small control there, and sometimes, we have referendums, where we can directly vote on an issue. We've legalized marijuana in 4 states and the District of Columbia. That's the will of the people.
Under a fascist rule, impossible. It doesn't matter what people want, the government decides for them.
>>79289508
this is why a constitutional dictatorship may be far more suitable than fascism for fascists.
Wasn't "Honest Abe" classified as this?
>>79285954
My IQ is above 100
>>79289672
>constitutional dictatorship
that makes no sense.
I mean the whole point of a system like facism is to deny the will of the people and control people like an ant farm, making them do what you want with no regards to what each individual may want.
>>79290117
>that makes no sense.
yes it does, dictatorship within the binds of a constitution set out at the start of the system, which can only be changed in ways The People are for
again personally I wouldn't want it but its far better than fascism
>>79290117
>I mean the whole point of a system like facism is to deny the will of the people
I think you're missing the point here
the point is to create an efficient, productive society
the issue is controlling the people tends to stem from this as a way to fast track the process
>>79289713
This
>All forms of media are regulated by the government
nope
i strongly believe in anarcho-capatalism or something similar where the government does very little to intervene in citizens' personal lives
then it is really survival of the fittest
as soon as the government steps in other than to punish lawbreakers it might as well be a socialist country in my opinion
>gun ownership is allowed but needs restrictio-
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>79286743
BASED HINDUISM
>>79285954
>not democratic fascism
>>79289713
>>79290564
Anyone who can't put themselves in the shoes of another and look at their ideas objectively has an IQ below 100
>>79290642
>i strongly believe in anarcho-capatalism
God I love selling heroin to pakistani pedophile gangs in order to add to my funds to purchase a nuclear missile and firing system
>>79285954
I am not a teenager
>all forms of media is regulated by the government
trashed desu
If feel sorry for the poor bureaucrat spooks forced to root out online furry porn havens and chan boards.
>>79290564
Next time just say "le upvote!"
>>79286695
Most leftist with a degree are meme degrees though. For example, I majored in Finance while me leftist friends majored in psychology and womens studies.
I'm a National Conservative.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_conservatism
>>79289508
>How would Fascism be more restrictive than current systems?
>"DUDE WEED LMAO"
You can only replace representatives with another plutocratic stooge and referendums are not allowed on anything of importance.
>>79290797
>God I love selling heroin to pakistani pedophile gangs in order to add to my funds to purchase a nuclear missile and firing system
if you are trying to imply the extremes of what unregulated life could result in, you are wrong
i said i do not think the government should intervene in people's PERSONAL lives other than to punish lawbreakers
and while i don't see a problem with drugs, i am pretty sure anything nuclear would be pretty heavily regulated so try harder
>>79291496
So what you're saying is you don't want anarcho-capitalism?
Gotcha
>>79285954
>All forms of media are regulated by the government, as a means to prevent the promotion of degeneracy or rebellion against the state
that's my reason. i don't want a bunch of bald fuckers from high up deciding what i should and shouldn't watch
>>79285954
>private business is licensed and only allowed if state deems it necessary
Tell me again how it is different from socialism? Businessman under such system is no different that Soviet factory manager.
>usury is not allowed
So how banking is supposed to work? How businesses, consumers and the government are supposed to borrow money without interest?
>abortion always prohibited
So the state pays for care of, for example, children with Down syndrome? Survival of the fittest my ass.
>all forms of media are controlled by the state
Now according to /pol/ Jews control the media. How is it different? I hope you are not one of those people butthurt about free speech.
>gun ownership allowed with restrictions
I hope you're also not one of Americans butthurt about Obama taking their guns and gun control in general.
Besides, it sounds terribly dystopian.
>>79291935
/pol/ being a bunch of faggots as usual.
if they got fascism instated tomorrow, they'd complain in about a month that the jew is keeping them down.
>>79291626
in a way i do because there are very lucrative ideals in it (for me at least)
the idea of keeping every cent you make and having to fend for yourself and what not
but it is impossible for anarchy to happen, well for a long time anyway
the circle in civilization is anarchy, which leads to capitalism because some people are better than others, which leads to socialism/communism because poor people start revolting, which leads to anarchy as the rich bail
>>79285954
I actually like talking shit about my governer. Facism removes elements of the bill of rights.
>>79291788
>Spengler asserts that democracy is simply the political weapon of money, and the media is the means through which money operates a democratic political system.[clarification needed] The thorough penetration of money's power throughout a society is yet another marker of the shift from Culture to Civilization.
>Democracy and plutocracy are equivalent in Spengler's argument. The "tragic comedy of the world-improvers and freedom-teachers" is that they are simply assisting money to be more effective. The principles of equality, natural rights, universal suffrage, and freedom of the press are all disguises for class war (the bourgeois against the aristocracy). Freedom, to Spengler, is a negative concept, simply entailing the repudiation of any tradition. In reality, freedom of the press requires money, and entails ownership, thus serving money at the end. Suffrage involves electioneering, in which the donations rule the day. The ideologies espoused by candidates, whether Socialism or Liberalism, are set in motion by, and ultimately serve, only money. "Free" press does not spread free opinion—it generates opinion, Spengler maintains.
It already is being decided what you should and shouldn't watch.
>>79291935
i agree with ban on the usury because it's pure cancer. nothing else.
>>79285954
>he uses Solarized
You fucking hipster twatting douche
>>79285954
>...what's your excuse?
I'm a fucking attack helicopter..
>>79293521
quality post xd
>>79290497
A supreme leader under a fascist government can overrule any constitutional limitations, they're not answerable to the people because there is no democratic process.
Under our system, power is divided, gridlock is intentionally built into the system to prevent outright tyranny. Change is slow, and requires a lot of dealmaking and compromise. The closest we come to Tyranny is when the branches of government have majorities that agree with each other on several issues, then change comes bouldering through more quickly, with less compromise. But, you can vote people out, change the balance back to being gridlocked.
Efficiency comes at the cost of liberty.
>>79291310
I was giving marijuana legalization as an example of something that everyone knows about that was passed by direct democracy referendums.
>>79294407
>A supreme leader under a fascist government can overrule any constitutional limitations
hence why I said many of these people would prefer constitutional dictatorships, where the Supreme Leader cannot overrule the constitution
>Efficiency comes at the cost of liberty.
this is something I have been pondering for some time as I do not believe the two to be exclusive
I've actually spent a large amount of time reading in order to try and find some form of balance where liberties are preserved but efficiency is maximized (maximized as in at its maximum within a system that allows for a large amount of civil liberties)
Its been quite fun so far but every road I go down seems to have roadblocks in it
>Communism and Capitalism have been tried in many countries over many years
>Both end up failing somehow, and often lead one into another when they collapse
>Fascism has been tried in basically TWO (2) countries
>Both of those countries saw unrivaled prosperity, national unity, and senses of pride
>mfw Antifags near me
>>79294806
they were also bad samples due to being destroyed within 50 years of adopting a fascist state
Fascism is a bigger failure then communism.
And fascists will use the same reasons as communists to justify it not working.
And fascism is a reaction to communism, nothing more, no commies no fascists simple.
>>79294949
>The whole world declared war on ONE (1) country because it was so powerful
>Somehow thats their fault
typical britcuck, go suck Churchill's chode some more mate
>>79295127
>resorting to adhoms the second you get given valid criticism
its almost like you're a pseudo intellectual cuckold with no real interest in actual discussion
fuck back off to 4+4chan if you want a stormfag hugbox
Also let me know where I said it was their fault. I stated a fact.
The fact of the matter is we have literally no idea how those states would have progressed, or handled the death or abdication of their leaders.
Arguing fascism using these examples is not necessarily sound due to the vast amount of unknowns.
>>79295499
Lol, looks like I've triggered the Limey.
Hitler and friends literally dindu nuffin. They seized power, wrote in new laws, and transformed their desolate economic wasteland of the Weimar Republic into the absolute powerhouse that was the Third Reich. This is fact.
World War 2 was caused because of the Polish government abusing native Germans who were living in the Baltics around Danzig. Hitler tried to sign deals with the leader of Poland, he refused all of them. He then signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with Stalin and invaded Poland. France and your cucktry of England immediately declared war. This is fact.
We saw them progress from feeling the monetary turmoil caused by the great depression into what was the best nation on earth. Germany won a majority of the olympic games before the war broke out. They had incredible technological advancements in every aspect, they had a national pride and unity unseen before. And you and the "allies" crushed it so that the corrupt systems of capitalism and communism could take root and scorn the earth for decades after the war was over.
>>79295973
Yes. I disputed none of this.
You just lack basic reading comprehension.
>>79296142
And you lack an argument
>>79285954
fascism tenets.png
that has to be the most principally, spiritually, and morally soulless autistic writings i've ever seen.
uninstall your life. thank you.
>>79296249
my argument was thata they are not good examples due to their short lifespan and so arguiong fascism from this perspective was not necessarily sound
>>79296409
And? In the short amount of time they turned their countries around it's obvious that it was all the time they needed. You don't go from living in a hovel and pushing around wheelbarrows full of money to buy a loaf of bread to conquering large portions of Europe out of sheer luck.
>>79296607
Yes but, as I outlined earlier, there are many potential flaws with the transition in fascism that could have arisen, also they did not deal with the earlier criticisms of fascism ITT
>>79296607
however I would add in times of hardship on the levels of Germany after the Treaty of Versailles extreme authoritarianism is required to move things along and get the nation to a stable state again
>>79285954
>All forms of media are regulated by the government, as a means to prevent the promotion of degeneracy or rebellion against the state.
That's basically what we have in America now, but instead of the direct state itself it's lobbyist corporations and instead of "degeneracy" it's the institution of the family.
