Is abortion murder?
People regard the little guy inside as non-human because he physically does not resemble a human yet, but still has some kind of life-force inside his little mind that pushes all cells to reproduce,right?
I think that there has to be more than just physical appearance.I don't know.
What do you think?
She made her choice when she got pregnant.
>>79279661
Especially when she got raped, mate
>>79279865
Shit, that really complicates everything.
Fuck I cant fathom the choice in that situation.
>>79279391
its fine as long as the infant is younger than 936 weeks
>>79279865
Maybe she wouldn't get raped if she had voted for the party that would allow her to have a gun to defend herself. She made her choice now she has to live with it.
>>79279998
G-God wills it.
>>79279865
Certainly, if you're raped, and get pregnant, you didn't choose to get pregnant. But you didn't choose to get raped either. The pregnancy is part of the crime against you. It doesn't mean you get to kill a human being who had nothing to do with the crime. I didn't choose to be robbed, so I'm allowed to rob my neighbor's house--it doesn't make sense.
>>79280138
so we should allow a raped woman to suffer even more mentally because of your fucked up religious views?
>>79279391
and what if the doctors know the fetus will be stillborn and will most likely kill the mother on childbirth?
>>79280530
You are naming the extreme situations like that one with stillborn or the rape.
But what about if she just was fucking around and having sex purely for pleasure (and for being a slut I guess),which is statistically happening more than rapes and stillborns?
>>79279391
>kill a pregnant woman, it's a double homicide
>get an abortion, 'just a bundle of cells g-guise'
???
>>79280699
exceptions will always exist thats why we cannot allow it to be prohibited
the example i made was an actual case with a woman in Ireland, she died because abortions were made illegal with no exceptions
>>79279391
>Is abortion murder?
No.
>People regard the little guy inside as non-human because he physically does not resemble a human yet
No. People don't regard him as a person, because he is just the lizard brain. He hasn't developed into a civilized, cultural, opinionated, empathetic and functional personality.
You kill the man-animal, to save the person who is carrying him from whatever-the-fuck-the-reason-was.
>>79280860
Thats Vatican for you.
>>79280925
don't start with that shit
orthodox would be no different if they had their way and you know it
>>79280922
What if you kill the seed of a tree? Did you kill the tree?
>>79280997
What if you stop making shitty analogies and analyze the issue itself?
>>79280997
irrelevant
we are discussing the value of human lives
>>79280993
But they are different.
Back in the old days when they could seize the power ,they chose not to while their "brothers-in-christ" burned scientist alive across Europe?
Don't give me that bullshit senpai.
>>79280993
"Fuck your wife, even if you don't plan on cumming inside her. Its good for the family."
t. Saint John Chrysostom 1600 years ago
Just leaving this here.
>>79279865
Come to me With that argument when 98.3% of abortions in my country are not done purely for convenience.
It's murder even in the case of rape.
There's a potential argument when it could save the mother's life, but I would expect a good woman to lay down her life for her child, personally.
Her body her choice, fuck that it's my kid too, she shouldn't have full control over whether to get an abortion
How about:
her actions, her responsibility
>>79281139
we're talking abortions, not scientist burning
>>79281435
enjoy paying allimony and never seeing your kid
>>79281433
"Murder" is something you do to a person. The fetus isn't a person.
You don't murder a fly, you don't murder a fish, and you don't murder whatever you call that early stage of human.
You need a PERSON to murder, and there is no person inside the woman who wants to pay a few grand to flush her vagina into a bucket so she doesn't lose her boyfriend who is off getting shot in the middle east for a year now.
You may want to replace "murder" with "kill", because you do indeed end a life. Then we can talk about killing some thing that lives inside you and you don't want, without the extra ethical baggage of assuming that thing to be a person with rights and desires and such.
>>79281433
>expect a good woman to lay down her life for her child
thats fucked up
even if child is stillborn?
>>79281435
then why didn't you tell her that you wanted kids before having sex with her, maybe she was not for kids at that point?
>Is abortion murder?
Until sentience, I would argue that that is a definite NOPE. There's no reason to give fetus more decision-making power than a sperm cell until it has at least a nervous system.
>>79281490
You're right. It's her responsibility to get an abortion if she wants one.
>>79281309
>body autonomy
Stoppes reading
>>79281309
Well then according to that logic, you can abort a fetus 1 minute before it's born since the mother can withdraw her consent to being pregnant.
>>79279391
I'm not entirely against abortion but the arguments piss me off. Men have literally zero reproductive rights and unborn fetuses no rights at all. Both are at the whims of the mother. That doesn't feel right.
>>79281490
>she was raped
>the cheap drugs she too didnt work
>the condom she provided broke and the guy didn't notice
>the guy did notice but came anyway
>she was drunk/drugged/is crazy/otherwise not accountable for her actions
And even forgetting all of these, maybe she made a mistake, sees this now, and wants to correct that mistake.
As a guy you can correct the mistake by saying lol cya bitch i'm out, but as a woman you kind of have to get gutted and take the thing out.
>>79279391
Fine with abortion if the woman was actually raped. None of that "my rapist was my husband" shit, actual against her will rape.
Not a fan if it's stupid teen deleting a mistake or if she wanted kids and got an abortion because it "felt like the right thing to do."
>>79281644
But that something will not be a fly that goes around and eats shit, that something can and will become sentient person
So by killing the potential , you are killing the person somehow
>>79281644
Ok, but the point he's making is if you kill a preggo, you get charged with two murders. It's inconsistent to say it's not murder when she chooses to kill it, but it is murder if someone else chooses to kill it.
>>79280922
>He hasn't developed into a civilized, cultural, opinionated, empathetic and functional personality.
drowning your kids in a bathtub because you're sick of them is fine too, then?
>>79281877
reminds me of how its "her body, her choice" until they realise muslims and other shitskins are aborting girls. You body, your choice, as long as its for the right reasons (like not feeling like having a baby).
>>79281433
exceptions will always exist
and you cannot prohibit it without prohibiting it on all grounds
it is a necessary evil
>>79281771
abortions aren't allowed at that point since it could potentially kill the mother
>>79281867
millions of eggs are lost with each menstruation
millions of sperm die when you jack off
all potential, non murder
>>79281986
Only in Brazil, where most people don't develop a personalty their whole lives.
Abortion outside of cases of fatal fetal abnormality is a very dark thought and the height of human hubris. You're denying a potential person the opportunity to be alive because you can't be bothered to be responsible. It's all the problems of western society encapsulated into one issue
>>79281877
>Ok, but the point he's making is if you kill a preggo, you get charged with two murders.
I am not familiar if thats the case, and if it is I'd oppose it. Its not reasonable.
At the very least for consistency make it 6+ months preg or something, so it relates to the allowed abortion range.
>>79282043
but you cannot ban abortions exept for the cases of fetal abnormality
it is an unfortunate circumstance
>>79281867
So by killing one person you kill the 999999999 people that would've followed from him?
He had so much potential. In fact, I threw away thousands of potential humans in the toilet as I masturbated.
Don't be silly.
>>79281789
Because we live in a gynocentric society
the idea that women are oppressed is hilariously wrong. Women need to be brought down a peg. Ernest Bax, an early 20th century socialist, recognised they have privilege over men. It's only gotten worse since.
Female purge when?
>>79282210
spoken like a true beta
>>79282021
>millions of eggs are lost with each menstruation
>millions of sperm die when you jack off
>all potential, non murder
except we are talking about the sperm that "made it" to the finnish line
>>79281644
Meat is murder.
Why do you have unprotected sex if you can't afford having a kid? I accept abortion only for medical reasons and if woman got raped but any other reason is just woman being a woman.
>>79282156
But you can. Make it so abortions can only be done by medical staff if they find no other way to save the child and the woman requests it.
>>79282311
Except we are talking about the fetus that "made it" to the finish line.
>>79282021
>millions of eggs
Full retard.
>>79281877
that it is a law that was made on prue emotional grounds
the fetus inside carries sentimental value to people and is why that law was voted in
>>79282311
the finish line is 9 months later while exiting the womb
>>79282421
forgery/deceit, and you're back to the start
>Is abortion murder?
Yes
>Should it be legal?
Yes
>Should you talk people into having one?
Yes
It is killing a human out of convenience for the most part, but I am fine with that.
I despise most children, most parents, and society would be a whole hell of a lot better if far less people were born.
At least I am not a hypocrite in regards to this, I got a vasectomy when I turned 20 and still view it as one of the best decisions I have made almost 15 years later.
>>79282475
meant over time
stupid mistake nevertheless
>>79279391
>Is abortion murder?
Yes, you are taking a life away.
Stupid people will justify their bullshit propaganda anyway they can, but the fact is that legalizijng abortion is the same as the legalization of infanticide.
It is no different to kill an embryo, a newborn baby, a toddler, a small child, a teenager, an adult or an old man. It is all murder.
>kills shitskins and leftists
>not the greatest thing ever conceived
nth post best post
/thread
>>79280034
nice strawman mate
>implying right-wing women are not raped
>implying there are no rape in countries with liberal gun law
>>79280138
Buy it wasn't her choice that she got pregnant. If it wasn't her choice, then she doesn't have to be responsible for it.
You can't punish women for being raped with giving her responsibilities and taking away 15+ years of her life.
it's murder.
i think there are decent pro-choice and pro-life arguments, but this stance:
>well, abortion is murder, unless the mother was raped, then it's okay
is pants on head retarded and very popular for some reason.
the kid shouldn't lose its right to life because the father was mean.
>>79282469
>forgery/deceit, and you're back to the start
are you seriously implying that enough women would fake their way to a hospital bed and somehow have it so that when the doctor checks the status of the fetus it appears unhealthy that it would become a serious issue?
>>79281658
Obviously no. A stillborn child is dead. You can't abort a dead child. At that point you'd be removing a corpse, as grisly that is to say.
>>79282588
you sliced this thread in half with that edge
>vasectomy
why so early?
>>79282741
You quoted the wrong post.
>>79279964
>Fuck I cant fathom the choice in that situation.
Sending the kid to adoption is a choice that results in the mother not having to deal with the kid and the innocent kid does not get killed for a crime his father commited.
Problem is that women don't want to wait 9 months and ravage their pretty little bodies for some niglet whose father did raped them.
>>79281798
>but as a woman you kind of have to
>have to
Or, you know, you don't.
>>79281877
It's murder because it wasn't her choice :^)
>>79279391
I think, woman shouldn't be the only one deciding about abortion.
>man doesn't want kid
>woman want money, keeps the kid
>it's her body, her choice
If woman still keeps the kid, man should have legal right to opt-out of parenthood and alimony
>>79279391
>>79282818
woops >>79282500
>>79281644
A fetus is a person. He or she is every bit as much a person as you and me. It's hard to argue that a fetus isn't at least as much a person as a newborn, and no one but Jewish philosophers say it should be okay to kill babies.
>>79282853
Yes something like this. And the father should be able to keep the kid even if the woman didn't want it.
It literally doesn't fucking matter whether abortion is ethical or not because it's the only way to not get drowned in niggers. As long as it's in the first trimester, when it's still a barely differentiated blob of goop, you're a pussy if you give a shit
>>79280138
>>79280699
>>79281433
>But what if women gonna get killed in labour because fetus was dangerous to her life?
>heh heh it's not our problem mate
>But what if we kill mindless, not-developed bunch of cells?
>NO, YOU CAN'T DO THIS WE WON'T LET YOU YOU BITCH! OUR CONCEPT OF FUTURE HUMAN IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR WELL DEVELOPED LIFE THAT USED A LOT OF RESOURCES AND WISDOM
>>79283050
>because it's the only way to not get drowned in niggers
but only white women do it
>>79282841
giving birth to her rapists child will cause severe mental trauma, and could also cause physical traume if complications arise during childbirth
>>79282929
it will still happen, it will eventually become prevalent
and then they will demand they make it legal on all grounds
>>79279391
>premeditated killing of a human being
It's literally murder by its very definition. However it''s up to debate whether it's justifiable - at the first stages of pregnancy that "human being" doesn't really have most of the qualities most people use to define what it is to be human. I'm pro-abortion, but to be fair, I don't consider euthanasia of a brain dead patient to be morally wrong either.
>>79283050
Its not perhaps the actual act of aborting but the thinking behind it. Its prevalent in other areas too. This attitude that is consumerist and completely sick to the core. That fetuses can just be discarded like they were a smelly tampon. It is so completely detached from a healthy view on life that its hard to imagine us ever getting back on track before this machine we live in has exhausted everything and everyone on this planet and implodes.
>>79279391
>Is abortion murder?
Does it matter if it is?
Murder in certain circumstances is already accepted. Whether that be for self defense, protection of property, war, capitol punishment, etc.
Even if we assume abortion is murder, that doesn't make it instantaneously wrong. Just like the previous examples mentioned, murder is forgivable with in the proper context.
If someone is mentally and fiscally capable of raising a child, they should. If they can't, then the burden is going to be shared on the rest of society, whether that be taxes going to run a foster home, police having to patrol and arrest people who didn't have a proper upbringing, and the medical system that will have to deal with after effects of violent crime and drug use.
Abortion is overall good.
>>79282993
>It's hard to argue that a fetus isn't at least as much a person as a newborn
Its very easy to argue this.
A fetus isn't even a "he or she" initially, as you claimed. That comes later.
It is literally a human being built from the ground up, and there is a point where this human becomes complete enough as to be considered a person by law.
That point is not the early stages of pregnancy.
>>79283149
In america the overwhelming majority of abortions are performed on black women
>>79279391
The important question is not whether a woman
has the right to do with her body what she wants,
of course she does and I think most people here
would agree with that.
The real question is whether the fetus is a separate
individual from the mother. The answer to this
question is philosophical and religious, what is
a person? I will assume for the sake of argument
that a fetus does not have an immortal, immaterial
soul so we can focus purely on a philosophical
argument for why at least some abortion is wrong.
When we talk about a "person" what we mean
is a unique human personality. That's what
we care about. Further, we know that the root
of human personality is our brains. We don't
care about the body in a coma that has nothing
but a brain stem and a breathing machine keeping
it alive. We say that the body is alive but the
"person" is gone in such a case.
So the REAL question should be, when does
brain development reach the point that a unique
human personality exists.
I'm not an expert on fetal development and
this question should be answered by our
best understanding of the science. But
I do think there is reason to think that at some
point during pregnancy, abortion becomes morally wrong based on the fact that at some
point during pregnancy there emerges a unique
neurology in the brain, which means that
there is an individual person being killed.
>>79279391
its hard to make the case that it isnt unless you consider an unborn child inhuman, which we pretty much do anyway
>>79283149
nigga are you serious
nigger women are the most frequent visitors to the coat hanger
hell here in serbia #1 is the gypsies
I don't know how we could live without abortions
>>79279391
I believe abortion is not always murder. Sometimes I view it as euthanasia (in case of a severely deformed fetus) or a death penalty (in case of rape or putting mother's life/health in danger). Any other case is murder.
>>79283111
>in one instance a person dies despite everything being done to save her. in the other "bunch of cells" is killed intentionally.
>>79279391
Until there is central nervous activity in the fetus, which is later in the pregnancy, it is not an individual with rights. Abortions should not be allowed after there is central nervous activity.
Women know they're pregnant for a while before the fetus develops a central nervous system. If women choose to get an abortion after that, unless there is a serous complication in their trimester where carrying it to term and giving birth would put the mother's life at grave risk, then they should be charged with murder
>>79283271
>self defense, protection of property, war, capitol punishment
none of these are murder
>>79283265
>Its not perhaps the actual act of aborting but the thinking behind it.
This I totally get and find disgusting. Abortion should be treated like chemo, not a haircut. But that's a problem with education and culture, not the availability of abortion itself
>>79283296
thats why in most countries abortions are performed in the first three months of development
>>79282785
I knew even then I didn't want to have children but I also knew I was going to be having sex pretty regularly.
Nothing is better than having a lying whore tell you 'We are pregnant, Anon!' with a happy look on her face and then crushing her by telling her it can't possibly be yours because of the vasectomy and dropping her like hot iron right after.
Downside is that is a trip to the clinic to make sure I don't have some kind of cock rot from her cheating ass.
Also, that post contained no edge at all. Try living in an area where people rarely ever control their spawn and take them out with them wherever they go. It makes you grow to hate seeing those little bastards show up anywhere because it just serves to ruin the mood. The fucked lifestyle of being a parent also kills the mentality of people too.
For example, I went on a cruise a few months ago. It was a family friendly cruise (try finding one that isn't) but there was only about five children on the boat because it was in the middle of the week during the fall.
The booze was flowing freely and every moment should have been a party, but everyone waited to 'have fun' until midnight and then only for about two hours.
We could have had a non-stop week long party on that fucking tub, but the people on board were still locked in mommy and daddy timezones and wouldn't liven up until their non-present kids would have normally been asleep if they had been with them.
Fuck 'em, man. Even when they aren't present they wreck shit.
>>79283219
>giving birth to her rapists child will cause severe mental trauma
Murdering an inoccent child won't?
>>79279391
I'm really torn about what I think about abortion but notice these pro choice images always use a picture of a pregnant female with a healthy baby. They don't show anything to do with aborted fetuses because of how disturbing it actually is to see.
>>79283219
>it will still happen, it will eventually become prevalent
>and then they will demand they make it legal on all grounds
in what third world shithole could that ever become prevalent mate? i don't know about your country but here we take doctors very seriously and such medical fraud would result in shaming rather than encouragement
>>79281836
Whether it's rape or an accident, the fetus inside is still an innocent person isn't it? At least be consistent if you're against fetus murder. Personally I don't give a fuck about fetuses since they're potential humans rather than actual humans such as the mother. It's important to be pragmatic in these cases since an unwanted child has a negative impact on the parents and will lead to a shitty upbringing with the eventual result of the child becoming a nigger. People who argue that sluts should be "taught a lesson" by forcing them to have a child don't realize they're punishing the child as well.
>>79283296
I think no woman or scientist ever will reach the answer to that philosophical question wether life force itself (that actually make all this to happen and to cells to know how to organise and why) is or is not actual conscience.
>>79279391
I am pro-choice, a women should choose if a man can cum inside her.
>>79279865
That's the only valid argument for abortion, an actual, undeniable rape situation. As in around 1% of abortions including false rape claims.
Abortion could be allowed for serious rape cases (weighting the life of the child with the evidence of the rape).
>>79281309
Some of those would be considerable arguments, if the mother didn't consent to an act that leads to pregnancy in the first place.
>>79283379
>despite everything being done to save her
You mean like removing bunch of cells without concioussness and functional organs that is a cause of her illness?
>>79283406
What would you describe murder as?
>>79283379
the woman is killed because not everything is done to save her
>>79283493
the best of 2 evils
>>79283531
okay, your country is a holy democracy of the moraly righteous
then women will just travel to "third world shitholes" to get their abortions
>>79283686
what about when women gonna die because of fetus?
Or when fetus is disfunctional monster that will die right after leaving her mother body?
I think it is akin to murder, I also am for keeping it legal. It kills more shitskins in my country than any other, can't argue with that......
That being said if a woman has the right to end a pregnancy at her discretion then the man involved should also be able to 'decline' any connection to the pregnancy if he so chooses as well.
>>79283730
killing someone who was actually born is a start
yes caesarean sections still count
Ask any actual practicing scientist when human life can be said to begin.
The only definitive moment is conception, the first moment when all the DNA from two human parents combines and has all the requisite chromosomes.
Life begins at conception. Abortion should absolutely be illegal, but contraception that acts before conception should be legal.
The Catholic Church has a very nuanced philosophy outlined in Humanae Vitae, available on the vatican website. It's different from what I just outlined and explains why they're against things like condoms.
>>79282270
Woman spotted.
>>79283730
the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
(law can either be civil (state's) or moral (God's))
>ITT
>>79283743
>the best of 2 evils
I disagree with you, I say fuck the stupid bitch, she should do what they always tell men to do: "suck it up and be a woman", they are fucking made for childbirth, just deal with it.
I dunno man, does anyone cares that men that go to war gets ptsd? If they did why would there be mandatory drafts for men?
>>79279391
Its ok when that thing is a nigger.
And sterlize the whore.
Women cant learn.
>>79283743
so basically the argument is "people are gonna do it anyways so you should make legal"? pretty weak tbqh mate
>>79283928
Hello roastie/white knight
>>79283863
>Life begins at conception
Agreed
>Abortion should be illegal
Disagree
It is murder, but murder I agree with and support and wish more to take part in.
I get pissed when I see people refer to a fetus as a 'group of cells'. It is a life you are ending. Stop trying to say that it isn't. Own up to your actions.
Kill the baby because it will be a drain on your resources, lower your quality of life, you will not raise it worth a damn, and you don't want to carry it for nine months.
>>79283976
Forcing sluts to have children just to spite them is stupid. It will just lead to huemonkeys like yourself that had a shitty childhood and now hate an entire gender based off of their personal experience with shitty people.
>>79283863
sperm and eggs are alive too, shouldn't they get rights?
>>79284027
perhaps you're right
>>79284169
>Hello roastie/white knight
Neither. I am a married man, fgt.
>>79283882
So if murder is defined by what the law is, then abortion isn't murder in the US, as the law permits it.
>>79284266
perhaps i am babe ;)
>>79284185
No. Not all 'life' is equal. While the cells are 'alive' they're not 'human life' the way a zygote is.
>>79284171
If you're going to play it that way then post birth fetuses could be killed for basically the same reasons, and in fact children's lives deserve no legal protection at all until some vaguely defined adulthood.
Is the morning after pill abortion?
>>79284176
>just to spite them is stupid
I said to send them to adoption.
>>79284176
>It will just lead to huemonkeys like yourself that had a shitty childhood and now hate an entire gender based off of their personal experience with shitty people.
I had a shitty childhood, but had both parents, they were not divorced, and were quite loving, never went hungry or anything like that.
>>79284176
>now hate an entire gender based off of their personal experience with shitty people.
Who the fuck said I hate women? I love women, I just think they should not murder their unborn offspring just because it is from a shitty male that raped her. It is still her son, like it or not.
>>79284185
God damned retard logic.
Sperm and eggs are incomplete genetic cells that require a fusion to create a new life.
A baby being formed is a far cry different than cells that cannot form life in their current, separate state.
Abortion is baby murder, plain and simple.
It is just baby murder we agree is socially acceptable (for the most part) because the kid isn't capable of bitching about getting their head sucked flat with a vacuum.
>>79284296
>is a married man
>wastes his time on /pol/ instead of spending time with his wife and/or children
Your follow-up shouldn't expose you as a bigger loser than what you accuse the others to be tbqhwy famalam
>>79284366
i went out of my way to preempt that bullshit talking point.
i don't really have the patience to have a discussion on morality with a moral relativist.
good day, sir.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSEOUN3_EFQ
It's not the fact that's it's murder that should be being debated, that's a given. Killing anything willingly is murder.
It should be if that murder is ok.
>>79283778
Will you name incest next?
>Life of the mother
>Rape
>Incest
You can outlaw degenerate abortion with valid exceptions.
>Logo LITERALLY has another body in it.
>>79279391
It's been about ten years now since I learned I was going to be a father.
I was worried when I found out. I was employed at a Quiznos, so obviously poor, and knew that bringing a baby into this world would be a strain I couldn't handle without help from my family, but I also knew they were willing to give it.
But I didn't have the power to make that decision. My son or daughter had their right to live taken from them and I didn't even have a say in the matter.
I have also met people in very different shoes, who did NOT want to keep the baby, usually for financial reasons. But they still HAD to do it, because it's "her choice."
I don't know if it's murder. I don't know if it's wrong. But I do know that "her choice" doesn't only affect her. And until the law actually states that men don't have to pay child support, that women are the sole person responsible for the well-being of their children, I can't accept that it's "her choice" and that I don't get a say.
>>79284539
>is not married
>spends his time on /pol/ instead of looking for a white woman to marry
But I guess when you're from a country that consists solely of ugly, inbred, retarded, cucked mongoloids whining on 4chan how others are responsible for the destruction of the white race makes perfect sense.
>>79284697
Shoulda fucked a cunt that's morally compatible with you then, lad.
>>79281762
>willful ignorance
>>79280922
So are severely reterded people not people?
>>79284882
>Australia
>>79284882
>Shoulda fucked a cunt that's morally compatible with you then, lad.
Agreed, agreed. But I didn't really have a lot of options; I'm an ugly and socially awkward guy. Not lots of chicks that would look my way back then or now; I took what I could get.
>>79284605
>i don't really have the patience to have a discussion on morality
We haven't even touched on the morality of abortion, we're still stuck on discussing the definition of "murder." You're confusing the two subjects by combining them together.
>>79284457
>I said to send them to adoption.
As long as it's not funded by the taxpayers money. I'm not paying for some gypsy bastard.
>>79284027
>>79284266
>>79284391
It ain't that bad of an argument though. People also smoke weed no matter how illegal it is, and people also manage to obtain guns to kill people even in places where they're illegal as fuck. The best deterrent is not banning things outright, it's making things prohibitively expensive. A full ban means people are just going to break the law, making it expensive makes people worry about having to pay the price/fine involved even if they plan to not get caught.
>>79284824
Must've hit a nerve being called out as the hypcrite that you are.
You really should consider going with your better alternative, buddy.
>>79279391
>His Money, His Choice
>It is a man's moral right to abort his stay-at-home wife and children if he so chooses.
It's pro-choice.
Reminder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv3MRyKfEHA
Abortion is only legal when was for rape
>>79285018
In many ways they aren't treated like people as it is.
Hopefully we will move on to euthanizing them soon. It would ease their needless suffering, allow their loved ones to move on with their lives, and ease the economic burden.
>>79285119
>As long as it's not funded by the taxpayers money.
Pretty sure you have religious institucions that work as orphanages in your country as well, paid for by donations to the church made by the faithfull.
>>79285228
>Australia
>>79284513
The entire point of your argument is potential is it not? A zygote is still a far cry from being as alive as any basic virus that we do not consider alive.
Each sperm and egg has potential as well so how would wearing a condom not be murder in your definition?
>>79279391
Saying humanity is achieved at any point other than diconception is arbitrary and illogical. People just do mental gymnastics to justify killing babies.
By using this argument, you could say that the mother has the right to refuse to use her body to take care of and breastfeed her 6 month old baby and therefore letting it's die is ok because it's not her fault the baby needs her to do everything for it.
>>79279391
we are too many either way, let the woman kill the baby i dont care
>>79279391
Abortion is murder.
That being said, would you not kill another person if you could get away with it?
Most people would kill just about anyone that hinders their life in any way. With a fetus there's no repercussion.
>>79285583
Nope, that would qualify as child neglect.
>>79285583
There's alternatives for that, though.
>>79281309
This argument is batshit retarded. No, the fetus isn't there on permission, it never asked to be in there, it doesn't know it's there. The person it is inside put it there, probably (~99% chance) on purpose or due to idiocy. Preying on the fetus for your own retardation should be murder. Am I the only person who can successfully pull out? Jesus it isn't that hard, looking at you, nigs.
>>79279865
<1% of abortions are due to rape
>>79279391
The entire argument is most of the time based on when is a developing child is considered alive but the problem is, only in the extreme cases can we tell when some isn't or is alive ie a rock versus a puppy. This is because we do not have a objective measure of life that works in all cases. Viruses, viroids, artificial intelligence and such never cleanly fit making in where many propose that life is just a categorical label we place on things and not a special physical state itself. Meaning that the abortion argument would mostly have to rely on other means of deciding the issue like practicality which is my personal argument.
Abortions are generally not being done by those who are in a stable relationship with stable jobs but either with those still pursuing higher education or job status or just by low class people neither of which would benefit society by having a child. Assuming the abortion is done before the child is so obviously life that even a flawed but still scientific classification system list it as life then I see it as almost a social responsibility to do it as to not be a drain or so that you can reach your full potential.
>>79285090
we weren't talking about abortion at all.
we were talking about whether self-defense, protection of private property, war and capital punishment were murder.
i gave you the definition from a dictionary, and then even added the caveat that 'unlawful' can be defined morally or legally.
and then you said 'because the state defined abortion as legal, then it's not murder,' even though i went out of my way to say that murder can be defined as morally unlawful and not just legally unlawful. the state doesn't decide what's moral or immoral.
none of the things you've listed (second line) are immoral and therefore, not murder.
>>79279865
Then all three shall perish. Remove the weak the savage and their spawn.
>>79285283
You do know what "tax" is, right, Brazil? You do know it's not a donation to a church, right?
>>79279391
Women are too weak minded to make responsible decisions for themselves let alone a fetus. But if they are black or spics then let them
>>79285583
She consented the moment she had sex, didn't use effective protection, and didn't use the day after pill.
It must've been nice when the average person wasn't crazy enough to think human life is only valuable in a certain age range.
>>79285283
>church donations
>going anywhere but the pocket of the church leader
>>79287121
>You do know what "tax" is, right, Brazil? You do know it's not a donation to a church, right?
I dunno about the USA, but here churches don't pay taxes. And yes it is a donation, you go to church, they place a huge basket in front of the altar and you give whatever money you want if you want to, no one is forcing you to contribute.
>>79287462
>going anywhere but the pocket of the church leader
I don't know about burguerland, but catholic churches in my country do help the poor and the orphans, guess it is a catholic thing only?
>>79279391
>mind
That's the reason it's not considered human yet.
The idea is that the embryo doesn't experience any semblence of awareness or human consciousness before 20 weeks or so of development.
Now mind you, abortion should be illegal post 20 weeks unless it's a medical emergency.
But before 20 weeks, legal with no hassle, give the pregnant woman plenty of time to make that decision in the event of rape or incest or financial reasons or whatever.
Best way to compromise it.
>>79287832
South America is known to be more devoted to catholicism than Pope himself.
>>79287832
Difference is probably because religion and government are intertwined where you are.
In the land of the free, religion is mostly fraud and consumerism.
>>79287911
>South America is known to be more devoted to catholicism than Pope himself.
Can confirm this, the pope is a joke.
>>79287959
>Difference is probably because religion and government are intertwined where you are.
Nope, there is separation between state and church, at least in theory.
>>79287959
>In the land of the free, religion is mostly fraud and consumerism.
You just made me feel a little sick in the stomach.
(IMHO) It isn't me or my wife having/not having the baby, therefore I don't really think I have the moral authority to tell anyone else what to do. If it was my kid, I wouldn't want others deciding for me.
>>79287832
>I dunno about the USA, but here churches don't pay taxes. And yes it is a donation, you go to church, they place a huge basket in front of the altar and you give whatever money you want if you want to, no one is forcing you to contribute.
My point is that you told Macedonia that orphanages run by the Church are the same as paying for orphanages with taxes through the government.
It's not.
One you are forced to do, the other you can choose to do.
>>79288439
>If it was my kid, I wouldn't want others deciding for me.
What if your wife was of one mind, and you were of another?
>>79282853
Absolutely not. Child birth is kind of a moral grey area. And although I think there should be special courts to decide if one person wants to keep it and the other doesn't, if you don't want to pay child support, wrap your fucking condom. Check to make sure it isn't broken. That kind of thing.
Just because a fair chunk of women are all money grabbing whores doesn't make all of them. if you're prepared to stick your dick in somebody for 20 minutes of pleasure, you better be prepared for what comes afterwards.
Nice try Jamal, but you still have to use your program money for your kid.
>>79279391
what people mistaken as a soul is formed around the end of the first trimester
before than you murdering human cells
after you're murdering a human
killing a plant is murder
killing an animal is murder
it happens it up to you to find your ethical standards on the matters
but those are the facts
>>79288467
>My point is that you told Macedonia that orphanages run by the Church are the same as paying for orphanages with taxes through the government.
I did not say that, or at least didn't mean it. I meant that there is an option available in which it is not financed by the tax payers money.
English is not my native language, sorry if I expressed myself poorly.
>>79287325
Because condoms don't break and the day after pill and the regular pill for that matter are hundred percent effective right? Accidents happen, why should that destroy two people's life if it can be easily and painlessly be corrected? It's not like people are advocating any term abortions but for abortions before the fetus develops where it is more of an induced miscarriage than an abortion.
>>79279865
Maybe she should not have provoked those muslin immigrants
>>79279391
yes
PS: Is Stojan Adasevic real? http://www.michaeljournal.org/adasevic.htm
>>79279865
Hey Poland, you are a redpilled and honorable white country, don't fall for this progressive shit.
>>79280138
As much as im pro-life, in case of a rape woman should be able to choose if she want to abort it or not.
>>79279391
>>79279865
>>79281309
Show people this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xWQHhqOAcg
http://www.abortionprocedures.com/
>>79288915
>English is not my native language, sorry if I expressed myself poorly.
Nah, I'm too used to jumping on people. No worries, mate, I get what you're saying. Your English is fine, your post just could have been read more than one way is all.
>>79279391
Let us be objective for a moment. Consider the following scenario.
We take the women out of the equation. We grow a human in a laboratory from fertilization to death of old age.
Abortion law should be is as follows. At which point is it legal to kill that human?
>>79279391
Abortion rights is just a way for women to be sluts and whores and not have to worry about things like consequences.
>>79289379
this looks fake as fuck or people are really this dense and stupid
>Abortion is now outlawed, and only allowed under special exemptions:
> - Serious risk to health of mother
> - Rape had caused conception
> - Child would not be able to function in some capacity (crippling deformities, etc.) or would not live through the pregnancy.
Okay, so now we have screaming banshees dropping "RAPE!" accusations at the drop of a hat, teenage girls ruining teenage boys' lives because they don't want to ruin their own, and so on and so forth.
If abortion was ever made illegal, but "rape" was a circumstance that allowed for it, then we'd be seeing quite a bit of that, I bet.
>>79279391
>>79289654
Killing a pregnant woman is already double murder. There's no need for hypotheticals to prove the hypocrisy of abortion.
>>79290173
Maybe depends on the jurisdiction on where you live in the US. When Ariel Castro in Ohio killed one of his captive's unborn baby, he was not charged with murder for that baby.
>>79289654
It's called Ectogenesis my friend.
It will be the future, a future with grand sex robots, all children are born male and no more worries about feminism and women's ability to destroy civilizations.
It's a human when it's able to survive birth, in that case, at around 20 weeks.
>>79279865
>Poland
ahh yes
>>79289901
That woman at the beginning that was for full term abortions showed how idiotic the people they were targeting.
People are just really dense and stupid and have never seen any blood or gore in their sheltered lives so it's easy to shock people into believing something and ignoring any actual logic behind it. Maybe it's because I hunt and practice surgical techniques but watching even late term abortion did not change me from being pro choice.
>>79290173
Yes because law makers are the pinnacle and absolute truth on the ethics of medical procedures.
>>79279391
i ***really*** dont care
>>79290157
>Okay, so now we have screaming banshees dropping "RAPE!" accusations at the drop of a hat
Different problems there mate, obviously they'd have to prove it was rape, and false rape accusations are so laughably easily discovered that the only reason its a problem its because the media blows things out of proportion and flat out lies
>>79289345
>I'm pro-life, but it's different if it's rape
Why? Why the fuck is it different? It's still a "human", isn't it? Is it less human because it was an accident? Is it less human because she doesn't want it?
Why the fuck is it different to abort a child that was concieved during consensual sex than one that wasn't?
Such a backwards fucking logic, I do not understand. Anyone who holds that view obviously opposes abortion because "sluts should be punished for being dumb and getting pregnant" as opposed to "I have a moral issue with the termination of a pregnancy."
Faggot.
Why are you upset about your miscarriage? It's just a bundle of cells
>>79279391
From a Christian perspective, all life is sacred and needs to be protected. Abortion is murder.
From a utilitarian perspective poverty, crime, and overpopulation are a problem. Abortion reduces these problems simultaneously.
>>79291364
>false rape accusations are so laughably easily discovered
If that black kid didn't just get out of prison after six years after being pardoned when they finally DID discover the truth, I might be inclined to agree.
As it is, I do NOT agree. Hell, we've even got that case in Canada where people want the accusation to mean "Guilty until proven innocent."
>there are people who legitimately think abortion is murder before second trimester
Yeah sure aborting a clump of cells that isn't even sentient is murder. For the first few weeks of pregnancy you could spit into a cup and there'd be more human cells in there than the fetus.
What if it had down syndrome or some other life ruining disease? Would it not be even merciful to just abort it?
What if the woman was raped?
What if it would kill the woman to give birth?
>it's killing a human life
It's killing a clump of cells that hasn't even achieved sentience yet, it has no awareness or thoughts.
>>79291387
>Why the fuck is it different to abort a child that was concieved during consensual sex than one that wasn't?
I can understand your logic, and I agree with it, but the sentiment that other people have is that the woman's feelings of revulsion for the child in her belly is "too much."
It's not the kid's fault, though.
>>79291686
>>79291686
>From a Christian perspective, all life is sacred and needs to be protected.
Right, so you're a vegetarian who doesn't use pesticides.
You also don't wash yourself to prevent yourself from killing bacteria.
Sure you're killing a potential human. So? "Aborting" a lot of full grown people would be fine by me.
We don't need more shitty people coming out of broken awful homes and being a drag on society their whole shitty lives.
People are sluts and will not stop getting knocked up.
So nip those future reshitdivists in the bud and kill them in the womb.
>>79291387
>Anyone who holds that view obviously opposes abortion because "sluts should be punished for being dumb and getting pregnant"
or they hold it because rape is not exactly something you want to raise a child on
it's far worse than just "accidentally" getting pregnant and taking responsibility and dealing with it
abortion is only acceptable in cases of rape or serious deformity/defects
>>79291902
Jesus, you faggot, he obviously meant "all human life."
You know, what this thread is about?
>>79291973
>abortion is only acceptable in cases of rape or serious deformity/defects
Possibility of serious injury to the mother should be included there.
As the abortion dont have effect on anybody except the mother and fetus, which has no agency and thus no rights, it should be legal.
and we should encourage abortions in islamic world and in Africa.
>>79291742
You could say the same about any slav really.
>>79291990
Then he should've said all human life.
So what makes human life more special? Is it our intelligence? Our ability to reason? Our complex human emotions? Guess what, a 4 week old fetus doesn't have any of that.
>>79291924
>shitty people
>broken homes
strife builds character, someone who overcomes a shitty hand they've been dealt early in life is usually ten times better than someone who's had it easy all their life.
>>79291815
If you agree that a woman should be allowed to abort a baby in most cases.
>>79291973
Oh really? So your issue is that the women aren't taking responsibility, not that the "child" is dying?
Obviously if you were mad about the actual abortion you'd agree that even when she's raped, MURDERING a CHILD is WRONG, right?
But wait, if it's her taking responsibility and not "accidentally" getting pregnant, why do you get a say in that? Why do you get to tell anyone what to do or how to act? You can pissy, but dictating their right to be an irresponsible shitter? Nah.
tl;dr: If you think it's okay to abort a baby in one circumstance, and moral grounds for not doing it in another fucking vanish. Other arguments are about the woman and how she behaves or acts, neither of which YOU have any real say on.
>>79279391
>mfw :^)
>>79282588
Yes!
Let's call ourselves the Pro-Death movement.
Its not about giving women a choice. Its about making sure that at least some shitty unplanned kids get fucking killed before they start causing problems and drawing welfare.
>>79279391
Early stage abortion is fine. Late stage abortion where they literally use shears to cut a baby up and pull out pieces of it isn't.
>>79292190
humans are made in the image of God.
>>79292320
Fairly certain God doesn't look like a fetus.
Plus, separation of church and state and all. You can't really use religion as an argument. Even though I'm not a fedora.
>>79292190
>Then he should've said all human life.
No, MOST of us are able to understand that, when we're takinga bout human life, we mean human life.
Just because you are an idiot doesn't make the rest of us one, and we shouldn't have to change our language because you're too much of an idiot to understand.
>So what makes human life more special? Is it our intelligence? Our ability to reason? Our complex human emotions? Guess what, a 4 week old fetus doesn't have any of that.
No. What they do have is the capability for it.
Here's a hint: bacteria doesn't.
>>79291387
Let me ask you something.
If your wife was raped by a nigger and got pregnant from it would you want her give birth to it?
Would you take care of that child?
Rapists have no right to force other people to continue their bloodlines.
Women should not be forced to carry the children of rapists.
Imagine yourself as a woman in that position.
You might love your child, even if it was forced upon you violently, but deep inside you you will always see the rapist in the child.
>>79292236
Yeah sometimes but mostly it just makes criminals, addicts, and problems.
>>79292505
If you're being a little cunt because I'm posting from Serbia, I'm an American expat. He did not say human life, so I took it as all life.
>No. What they do have is the capability for it. Here's a hint: bacteria doesn't.
Alright then, instead of abortions let's just cut the fetus out of the woman and watch it turn into a human all on its own.
>>79292647
>You might love your child, even if it was forced upon you violently, but deep inside you you will always see the rapist in the child
Nobody said she had to keep it.
Just that she had to give birth.
>>79292458
>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. (declaration of independence)
"separation of church and state" has nothing to do with what i'm talking about in this context at all, nor does "religion."
What's the point of forcing these babies into the world when they're going to be neglected, abused, impoverished and grow up to be criminals?
Abortion is great. A licence to be a parent would be even better.
>>79292808
Why should anyone be forced to do that?
It causes serious pain for the mother, with the possibility of death, only to give life to the child of a fucking rapist who will probably spend their life miserable in an orphanage or foster home if they are given up for adoption.
Let's say, in a hypothetical scenario, your wife got raped and impregnated.
How would you feel about seeing her walking around with her belly full with another man's child?
How would you feel having to see her give birth to another person's child? To have her pussy ruined by it too?
KYS cuck.
Rape, incest, and downie kids are fucking untermensche
Kill them.
Best solution.
>>79292777
>If you're being a little cunt because I'm posting from Serbia
Oh Jesus, now you sound like some SJW.
>You're being mean to me because of my flag!
No I was calling you out for being an idiot, I don't care about your country.
>He did not say human life
Do you know what thread you are in? DO you know anything about Christianity? If you can't put 2+2 together, you don't belong here.
>>79292777
>Alright then, instead of abortions let's just cut the fetus out of the woman and watch it turn into a human all on its own.
What the ever-loving fuck does that have to do with anything?
No one ever said "HERPDERP THE BEBY CAN LIVE ON ITS OWN YAR!"
Just fucking stop.
>>79292647
No, I'd let her abort it.
In the same way that if she accidentally got pregnant and we didn't want a child I'd allow for the same.
There is no moral difference between abortion of a non-consensual pregnancy than a consensual one, if we're looking at the termination itself. The kid doesn't know, so it doesn't change regardless of how it was conceived.
So I repeat myself, AGAIN, if you are ok with a woman terminating a child concieved through rape, you are okay with her terminating pretty much any child because at that point you want to punish her for something you have no right to stop her from doing.
>>79292808
>lets put a woman through a forced pregnancy just because I get pissy about abortions
Jesus christ, the pro-life argument is fucking backwards and broken.
If you do not condemn ANY and ALL abortions, in ANY circumstance then you're not really pro-life and your argument falls apart.
With Zika making its way into the US I have a feeling that a lot of people are going to start changing their tune when bitches start cranking out lil' tiny headed mutants left and right.
>>79293318
Chill the fuck out.
I'm not talking about the mother's rights, nor the rights of her husband to an undamaged pussy.
I'm saying that if you are going to make abortion illegal because it's killing a human being, that it's STILL killing an innocent human being if it's a rape baby.
I don't care what "wah my wife's pussy" and "KYS cuck" you want to throw at that, that's only fucking logic.
If it's immoral to abort because you are killing human life, then it goes in any circumstance unless you are preventing the loss of another life (like the mother, in complicated pregnancies).
YOu may not LIKE it, but you can't say "Abortion is immoral" and then tack on "except rape babies."
>Life force
Top kek, this aint final fantasy or some shit
>>79279391
Yes, abortion is murder. State-funded, mass murder that is hidden under a bogus claim to a right to privacy.
>>79293604
>because at that point you want to punish her for something you have no right to stop her from doing.
Incorrect.
I doubt anyone posting here--well, I doubt the MAJORITY of people posting here--"wants to punish the woman."
It's not some issue of punishing women.
>>79293391
>DO you know anything about Christianity?
What does that have to do with the topic?
>>79291704
>people want the accusation to mean "Guilty until proven innocent."
and that's a part of the false rape accusation problem, not the abotion of rape pregnancies problem
Be at least a little pragmatic, if feminists hadn't made the word mean nothing, we woud still remember a few key aspects of what REAL rape causes like the physical trauma, and ensuing mental trauma, that woman will not do a good job raising that kid, and that is if she doesn't kill it after it's born
yes, it has to be proven it was actual rape first, put your out of place idealism aside and look at it causes for the actual rape cases, the benefits of a abortion are just greater, you don't have someone who's mentally unstable carring out a prengancy and raising a child, and you won't have a child being raised in what will most likely be a loveless, dysfuntional household
If a actual rape victim wants to have a abortion, they damn well should
>>79294137
>What does that have to do with the topic?
Read the quote train.
>>79293958
I feel like I'm not communicating properly.
Baby is concieved.
Woman wants abortion.
That's "wrong."
Baby is conceived.
Woman wants abortion.
It was conceived through rape.
That's "ok".
Where do the morals change? The arguments for why you shouldn't have an abortion on the baby's behalf don't vanish because he wasn't conceived intentionally or consensually, so why is it okay?
And if it's not about the baby, it's about the woman having to be responsible and deal with being pregnant, we have no right to dictate to her how to behave, who to fuck or what to do.
So we're either stopping abortion to punish or restrict women-which we have no right to do-or we're "saving" children, except the ones that weren't conceived intentionally and consensually because "they don't count" ?
Babbies are babbies, rapebabies or not.
I am pro-choice because I personally can't fathom the idea of it being more morally questionable to kill one kid than the other (not that I consider them children up to a point-but that's a whole other argument.)
>>79282661
Love how the left sees bringing a child into the world as punishment
>>79281644
>and you don't murder whatever you call that early stage of human.
And somehow it is up to you to chose at what stage a human becomes a person?
Foetus = can kill but newborn = can't kill?
The new human being is created at fertilization, it's as simple as that
>>79294441
they don't, they see the mental and physical anguish that comes with a pregnancy being forced on someone as a bit of a dick move, lad.
>>79294202
>and that's a part of the false rape accusation problem, not the abotion of rape pregnancies problem
Agreed. I'm saying, however, the false rape accusation problem would be exacerbated, because it would be the only way a woman could get an abortion.
>Be at least a little pragmatic, if feminists hadn't made the word mean nothing, we woud still remember a few key aspects of what REAL rape causes like the physical trauma, and ensuing mental trauma, that woman will not do a good job raising that kid, and that is if she doesn't kill it after it's born
It sounds to me like you're saying that a woman does not have the emotional capacity to care for a rape child. I don't think you are correct at all in this, but I'll just give a solution anyways; don't keep the baby. Seems simple to me.
>yes, it has to be proven it was actual rape first, put your out of place idealism aside and look at it causes for the actual rape cases, the benefits of a abortion are just greater, you don't have someone who's mentally unstable carring out a prengancy and raising a child, and you won't have a child being raised in what will most likely be a loveless, dysfuntional household
You could benefit from a few well-placed periods, commas, and other grammar that would make your statement something that can be understood.
If what you are trying to say is that we can always prove or disprove rape, then I disagree, and think you're retarded.
No, abortion is fine. Forced sterilization of lesser races is also fine.
Most threads on Pol:
"GAS THE KIKES! RACE WAR!"
HANG ALL NIGGERS! NUKE MECCA!"
Abortion Thread:
"Oh no save the sweet little babies! Abortion is murder and wrong and just think of the children!"
>>79294602
>forced to endure a natural bodily function after knowingly taking the chance
How terrible
>>79294344
Oh, in that case I actually agree with you, and it's what I've been arguing here.
I'm not really sure if I'm "pro-choice" or "pro-life," but I lean towards the former.
But yes--the immoral act of killing an innocent human does not suddenly become moral because other circumstances change.
>>79294794
>taking the chance
And once again we're back to the "it's always a woman's choice to get pregnant" thing. What if she gets raped? Is it okay then? Pregnancy fucking sucks, my guy, that's common knowledge. Why should someone be forced to go through that after being raped?
>>79294881
Sorry I didn't communicate better, prolly would have saved us both a few posts.
I guess I'm the same-I don't want abortion to be treated like a treatment for a common cold but the stigma around it is fucking stupid.
>>79294758
What is annoying with abortion is that people won't accept the truth of what they're doing
You want to murder your offspring for comfort reasons? Fine, but accept the reality of your action instead of trying to deshumanize the foetus
It's exactly the same as when slavers justified nigger trade by "they're not humans lmao"
>>79279391
I'm pro-abortion because it favors my pregnancy fetish
>>79294758
Children are innocent.
It's not until they grow up that they become like us, and therefore an object to be hated.
>>79295031
>You want to murder your offspring for comfort reasons? Fine, but accept the reality of your action instead of trying to deshumanize the foetus
>It's exactly the same as when slavers justified nigger trade by "they're not humans lmao"
This.
This sums it up nicely, Frenchie. Thank you.
>>79295031
I agree.
Everything people do is just to calm down their conscience and justify their actions.
you know theres always adoption if your not ready or mentally stable to raise your child theres plenty of couples looking to adopt
>>79294758
Babies are people, though.
>>79295039
*impregnation fetish
>>79295039
And how do women get visibly pregnant if they abort the child at an early age? Or is it all the way up to month nine you are speaking of?
>>79295031
Agreed, but I still hope people have the balls to do the right thing when they have shitty genetic conditions, an unstable home, extreme poverty, or a noticeably disabled fetus.
>>79279391
>What do you think?
Personally I don't care if it's murder or not. I don't like people, especially children, and don't care if they're murdered.
No, I'm not being edgy I just truly don't care.
>>79280138
It's looks like someone has a tendency for raping.
>>79295461
how was your home life growing up?
did you have decent genetic conditions, a stable home, non-impoverished, were you noticeably disabled?
>>79292777
>Alright then, instead of abortions let's just cut the fetus out of the woman and watch it turn into a human all on its own.
So if it can't sustain itself, it's not human?
Are you saying niggers aren't human?
>>79295728
pro-choice here but you made me kek
>>79295013
Lets not pretend that the vast majority of abortions are rape related
>>79295013
>Pregnancy fucking sucks, my guy, that's common knowledge. Why should someone be forced to go through that after being raped?
And there's really no way to soften that.
Oh, sure, if it ever came to pass that abortion would be illegal (which it will not, I'm sure), then the government would have to go out of its way for shit.
They would have to ensure that all mothers are getting proper nutrition, medicines, so on and so forth. They would have to continuously check up on the mental stability of the expectant mother. They would likely be forced to compensate women for unwanted pregnancies, and many women would abuse such a system to just become professional baby factories.
Making abortion illegal would just cause so many complications that it's easier for us to allow murder if you're under a certain age.
>>79279391
Went to medical high school and basically as far as I remember humans aren't actually humans till after the week 12(last week when you can still legally have an abortion here) there for it's not a murder having an abortion.
>>79295728
Are you saying they are?
I thought we had this discussion about 600-700 years ago. It's why slavery was okay.
