This is a fucking old question, but... WHAT THE FUCK IS FREEMASONRY !!?
>>79269364
you catholics will never understand
>this shit again
Google it Pierre.
>>79269443
If any, freemasonry is a humanist trash
>>79269364
Bunch of idiots hoping to make connections so they can get a more prominent life. They teach that lucifer is god and that's who they follow.
>>79269364
Luciferian (ie Satanic) religion under the guise of a "gentleman's club". It's literally denial of Jesus Christ as your initiation.
Its babylonian black magic/geomancy. Its involves drinking blood etc at the 33 degree, and goes all the way to 360 with satan himself at the 360th degree.
>>79269364
satanism.
I'm interested in it. I wouldn't go to the internet for information. I would find a lodge, find a freemason and ask questions.
>>79269530
This basically.
It's judaism for the goym.
>>79269519
>>79269530
>>79269681
>>79269753
tfw when /pol/ knows more than 99% of churches who let freemasons be church members.
The eternal old white guy + askhenazi Jew Pact
sacronumentum asi maol densa patri mosu kani 22
>>79269519
>Requires members to be religious
>Humanist
>>79269530
>They teach that lucifer is god and that's who they follow.
Well no.
>>79269776
Some places are fine. Here not so much. But for a Frenchman, he might have a hard time finding a real lodge to ask. There's like eleven Grand Lodges there, and only a few are legit.
>>79269828
>tfw when /pol/ knows more than
Clearly not.
>>79269364
Let's not talk about this.
>>79269364
Think of it as closet jews that aren't really jews
>>79269364
It's a cult. Like scientology.
>>79270164
>Well no
Yes. The stone the builders (freemasons) rejected is not who people think it is. It's the Earth and nature itself. These turds wish to rebuild the kike temple in jerusalem. If satan will be locked away for a thousand years and god will live in the jewish temple, then satan is their "god" that is living in that temple. The temple is where satan will be locked away.
>>79269828
I guess the Catholic and orthodox churches are 1% of churches now?
>>79269364
Freemasonry comes out of the Jewish Kaballah & the Babylonian Talmud, the Masons are nothing but the lapdogs of the Jews. Communism is Jewish, Freemasonry is Jewish. gentile communists and freemasons are nothing more than the cat’s paw of the International Jewish Money Power. Freemasonry is controlled by the Jews at the very top. It's one of their recruiting organizations for "useful idiots", just like the CFR and the Trilateral Commission and others. The masons are the secular arm of judaism.
>>79270539
>The stone the builders (freemasons) rejected is not who people think it is. It's the Earth and nature itself.
It's meant to represent Jesus, and that's why the Sanhedrin character gets killed and mocked in the ceremony, while the one rejected ends up lauded. But you can add other meanings to it, like all of Masonry.
The rest of your post is nonsense.
At the risk of sounding /x/ tier, I'll give you some info. I've done a bit of study into the occult, though I'm not an adept in any system at all.
Freemasonry, as an idea or a system, traces its lineage through Greek mystery religions (why does the lodge orientation matter so much, with certain things facing east?) back to the oldest form of religion, sun worship. The jews attempted to create their own system of religion, defaming sun worship is evil (Lucifer, the angel of light, is representative of the sun, and is considered the enemy of Yahweh).
Thus, Freemasonry was a sort of creation to fuse Christianity with Sun Worship. The occult traditions of the organization reflect this.
However, practically, Freemasonry is a club of greedy capitalists who attempt to get rich by making connections in the old boys club. It might be a decent start for someone looking to search the occult mysteries, but they'd be better served by self study or joining a true ceremonial magic(k) organization.
>>79270635
>Freemasonry is controlled by the Jews at the very top.
Yea? What's the "top", then?
>masons are the secular
>Masons
>secular
>>79269364
A fraternity for old men, in which they discuss their stock portfolios and exchange business connections.
have you traveled
>>79270635
Also, that pic is silly, because the Jews don't have the patent on the Seal of Solomon.
>>79270701
>Freemasonry, as an idea or a system, traces its lineage through Greek mystery religions
That's pretty loose, bro.
>(why does the lodge orientation matter so much, with certain things facing east?)
Because that's the way cathedrals face.
It's like a fraternity.
>>79269364
just look into what mormons believe since all the earliest mormons were also freemasons:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Freemasonry
what is it that mormons believe? well
>Joseph Smith, Mormonism’s founder, taught the doctrine of a "plurality of gods"—polytheism—as the bedrock belief of his church. He developed this doctrine over a period of years to reflect his belief that not only are there many gods, but they once were mortal men who had developed in righteousness until they had learned enough and merited godhood.
>Although he softened his terms, Smith minced no words in explaining his beliefs. "I will preach on the plurality of gods. I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see" (King Follett Discourse).
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-gods-of-the-mormon-church
otherwise known as:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferianism
>>79269364
If you want an honest, educated answer, with all memes aside, the best way i can explain it is,
It's essentially just a highly ritualistic fraternity of men based on a certain set of ideals, pertaining to(but not limited to) how to comport oneselves, what makes a man, and the super strong emphasis on brotherhood.
All in all its supposed to be a club that symbolizes brotherhood. It started based off old free masons, obviously, but in the 1700s it was basically just a recreational pasttime for the upper class.
Not everyone gets in so obviously there are alot of crackpot theories....
At some point down the line it started getting thrown into conspiracy theories.
Go check one out, if you join and move up the ranks, i promise you it actually helps out alot in life. forms life long friendships.
t. former mason
>>79270991
>t. former mason
If it's so good why are you a former?
>>79269364
Stop asking questions, goy.
>>79270164
>>Requires members to be religious
>Being Deist is considered "religious"
Religion is not only believing and having Faith - it is a system. The Freemason's have a system but it is not a spiritual one - you do not have to follow any "religious" ritual. You have the rituals and traditions of your lodge, but there is nothing religious to it ; though one could argue that rituals are inherently religious in themselves, but that's another story.
The point I'm trying to make is they do not force you to be religious - but most lodges will ask you to be open to the idea, or believe, that a "Grand Architect" exist. You can think this grand architect is the Christian God the same way you can believe this being is just the concept of Divinity. But, yes, you have to be open to the idea that something is above you and above mankind, reason, logic, space and time. Something greater if you will.
Well, that's the idea anyway. American lodges might be different, but there you go.
>>79270991
ahh i see whats the deal with the strange symbolism?I always wondered why our forefathers were freemasons
>>79271114
i got family and shit now man
Secret club for rich people from which the elites select the best servants.
The ones that display the most loyalty to the satanic believes are selected for positions of power. It's the same in every masonic lodge all over the world.
Think of it like a cattle auction.
>>79270836
I'm not gonna spoonfeed you. Why do Cathedrals face east? Even further, why will Jesus rise in the East?
Do you really think Der Juden came up with this without any other prompting or tradition?
>>79269364
It's basically an exclusive Good Goyim Club - semi-secret organization of non-jews with the goal of serving the jew masters.
>>79271235
>You have the rituals and traditions of your lodge, but there is nothing religious to it
Duh?
>The point I'm trying to make is they do not force you to be religious
Well no, but it requires men be religious to join.
I know the GO's are a bigger hit in Belgium, so maybe ya'll just have looser rules for the legit ones.
>>79271244
Symbols are a language and a thing to learn from.
>>79271403
>Why do Cathedrals face east?
Originally? Because Jerusalem is east of Europe. Now it's because the sun rises in the east, but that's still not making it about sun worship. Just symbolism.
>>79271400
Halts maul
>>79270807
only by accident
how do you do it on purpose?
>>79271456
>with the goal of serving the jew masters.
Yea? How?
>>79271896
You know what's waiting for traitors like you.
>>79270164
>you cant be a Humanist and religious at the same time
>freemasonry
>religious
Pretty good, secret societies in your local area, really help you get ahead. After your initiation, which is typically a tap on each shoulder by a sword, you get lower prices in other member's businesses and you get better trade.
>>79272169
Depends on your usage of humanist. I figured you meant it as those athiest tards who say they believe solely in humanity.
And yea, Freemasonry is religious. Just not a/any particular religion in the Craft degrees (the chivalric and research degrees are obviously only for Christians).
>>79269364
The path to understanding the teachings of Judaism and the Kabbalah.
I've been a freemason for amost 6 years now and it's more or less about a strong bond between just and reasonable men and the formation of a deep-rooted brotherhood. And there's a lot of "one hand washes the other" going on. I made some influential friends there who helped me out on several occasions. One of them got me a new job which paid almost triple of what I made before.
Another is a lawyer who handled my divorce pro bono.
If you are a mason and are involved in your lodge you are pretty much set for life.
>>79270836
>Seal of Solomon.
You mean the Star of Remphan.
>>79272675
Why did you deny the christ?
>>79270701
>However, practically, Freemasonry is a club of greedy capitalists who attempt to get rich by making connections in the old boys club. It might be a decent start for someone looking to search the occult mysteries, but they'd be better served by self study or joining a true ceremonial magic(k) organization.
You obviously know nothing about freemasonry.. get back to /x/ we are full
>>79272675
I've known a few guys who joined for shit like that. Took great pleasure in blackballing them. Or if they kept the facade long enough to get in, by disappointing them until they leave.
Mercenary faggots ruin Masonry.
>>79272766
Sure, whatever. Tonnes of names and usages for the double triangle.
>>79272675
If you really want to make to the top you have to adjust your mindset. At every one of their little tests think about what a good godfearing christian would do and then do the opposite. Your handlers will be very pleased and you will advance quickly.
Just be careful, if you rise too high. you will see some weird shit. And don't worry about eating the baby flesh. It's not real, at least not the first time.
>>79269364
Gathering of Jewish Engineers
Freemasonry is basically most occultic knowledge compiled into a secret club for boring old white guys (that's who they are, not trying to be a le epic anti-white). That's what it is to the blue pilled. In actuality, it's just a pedophilic cult based on wicca, or sex magick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Fd4zUClaw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLUJ60SM5JI
This article goes over the sex magick symbolism, as well.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_brotherhoodss01e.htm
>>79273086
there are black masons and mexican mason
I knew a native inidan mason
>>79273086
>it's just a pedophilic cult based on wicca, or sex magick
Well that must be a new development. The funiest part of that is how the guy who created wicca left Freemasonry because it wasn't spoopy enough for him.
>>79273177
Yeah, I've heard of a masonic group for black men. Forgot the name of it.
>>79269443
Catholicism literally teaches that all freemasons go to hell you monkey.
>>79273240
Prince Hall.
>>79273253
Aye, the Vatican chaps are a skittish bunch who tilt at all kinds of windmills.
>>79273240
prince hall
>>79273319
>>79273344
Thanks, dudes
>>79273238
I mean, sex magick has been around for ever, just in various forms.
my grandpa was a freemason. My mom told me when I was young that he was a satanist and she burned a robe/cloak he had and threw out a bunch of pentagrams. I always thought it was bullshit, but now I wonder.
>>79273515
they worship lucifer and call him the morning star
they think he is like God's alter ego and necessary evil
go to youtube and type in Mystery Babylon by William Cooper if you want to know what Masonry REALLY is
this will be the best advice youll get in this thread
>>79273515
Bummer. Always nice to have heirlooms.
>>79273611
>they worship lucifer and call him the morning star
Only in the Christian degrees, obviously.
>>79273665
Or you could get stuff from people who know what they're talking about.
>>79270361
So, Ashkenazi? :^)
>>79273611
I'm confused though, in this thread it's been insinuated that all they'd want you to do is believe in God. I would think if you worshiped the Christian God that would have some serious contradictions to what they were going for, no?
>>79273765
yea that's their whole philosophy is the contradiction or duality of dark and light. that's why they have so much symbolism of checker floors, sun and moon, pillars, opposing angles
>>79273765
That's just how they initiate normal folk.
>We're just a fun Christian men's club!
>George Washington was a freemason, dude!
>>79273741
NWO shill detected
william cooper mystery babylon dont listen to this faggot
>>79273927
he's in every mason thread
>>79273765
Actually no, given that Lucifer is a Biblical Latin term for Christ. But regardless, it's not a term used in Masonry, even in the Christian degrees.
>>79273927
By all means watch the hilarity, but it's better to get legit stuff instead of such silliness.
>>79273872
>>79273913
So at what point do they drop the "just kidding, we're team satan" bomb?
freemasonry = numbers
also, check em
>>79270635
thomas plz
>>79274019
I'm not a mason. I've just seen things that point out the symbolism and I've heard testimony from people who used to be in it. It takes a long time to make your way up the degrees. Some lodges don't even know about all the other symbolism and really do just think of it as a club.
>>79273979
Lucifer was used as a term to mock Satan, as well
>>79273979
Is it conservative and community spirited? Are masons red pilled? Is it invite only? Does it have a lengthy selection process? Can you just show up at a lodge to learn more?
>>79273979
>legit stuff instead of such silliness
>silliness
No one talks like that.
>>79269364
I got invited to join by one of my senior managers.
I declined when I found out it was a bunch of fucking Hillsong tier faggots throwing BBQ's on the weekend to raise money for kids and spend Thursday evenings getting drunk with cops and councilmen so they can escape their ugly wives and kids and play grown-up tree houses.
>>79274382
to be one ask one
go to a lodge and ask thats all you need to do
the guy you're asking this question to is a shill don't believe the shit he is saying
>>79269364
Wannabe Jews, controlled by the Jews, doing jewish work in the jewish interest for the glory of eternal jew aka Satan. Must be purged.
>>79269364
Under the allied organizations header: Rainbow Girls
THE FEMINISTS ARE IN WITH THE NWO !
>>79274472
so wait a second, is this a networking/occultist thing like scientology or closer to Skull and Bones.
>>79274559
skull and bones and freemasonry are the same thing , just different sect of the same agenda.
Read about this guy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morgan_(anti-Mason)
>>79274559
The one I was exposed to was like a fucking Lions or Rotary club.
Super gay and full of old blokes. At best I could have got a promotion out of it and maybe hooked up with some cheap dental or had a lawyer look over some contracts for free.
Maybe in America it's awesome.
>>79274559
I guess it depends on who you are. Some people use it to network and be in the club. And others, like the elites of the Skull and Bones use it to practice occultism and whatnot. It's multi-layered. That's why you have the stepping stones, ya know?
>>79270807
Yes, I'm going east.
>>79274366
>It takes a long time to make your way up the degrees.
Not really. Unless you're in a TO Lodge, the Craft degrees can be as brief as three months (or a day, if you're in Pennsylvania...). And then you can join the appendant degrees whenever you choose.
>Some lodges don't even know about all the other symbolism and really do just think of it as a club.
That's only because the members of those lodges join under the false impression that they're joining Rotary or Elks.
>>79274414
>No one talks like that.
I disagree.
>>79274382
>Is it conservative and community spirited?
Yes. Very.
>Are masons red pilled?
Some are. But not all. If they really focused on the lessons, they would be.
>Is it invite only?
No. Invites are forbidden. You have to join of your own free will.
>Does it have a lengthy selection process?
Kinda. But more because we only meet once per month.
>Can you just show up at a lodge to learn more?
Yes, but that's likely to be fruitless, since again, we only meet once per month. Unless you go to the Grand Lodge or get an appointment.
>>79274670
>skull and bones and freemasonry are the same thing
Similar, but not the same thing. Like Freemasonry and the Knights of Columbus.
>>79274699
>The one I was exposed to was like a fucking Lions or Rotary club.
Oh i hear that. Fortunately most of the guys who are of that mindset are dying off, so it's getting back to proper Freemasonry. Unles you're in NSW.
>Maybe in America it's awesome.
In very few places.
>>79269364
freemasonry was alright till the jews infiltrated, as always
>inb4 jews invented it
apparently one of my great grandfathers was a freemason
he had a ring and shit
it must have been hard to be a freemason in fascist spain, masonry was forbidden and punished
>>79274779
>Oh i hear that. Fortunately most of the guys who are of that mindset are dying off, so it's getting back to proper Freemasonry. Unles you're in NSW.
Sydney.
And one of the reasons I got invited was because I was organizing some charity stuff for work and one of the seniors was impressed and really into it.
Plus he went to HILLSONG.
>>79269364
It's the new anonamouse. Didn't you get the memo?
>>79272797
>why did you deny the Christ?
Well he got a new job with triple the salary!
>He used to only make ten pieces of silver
>>79274887
Oh jeez. My sympathies, bro. I don't know how anyone tolerates the state which declared, "Nothing esoteric or occult in lodge!"
>>79272998
>you will see some weird shit
like?
>>79274779
>Oh i hear that. Fortunately most of the guys who are of that mindset are dying off, so it's getting back to proper Freemasonry.
what like creepy sex rituals and solitary confinement? Not trying to be sarcastic but I'm working on 0 information here.
>>79275483
>what like creepy sex rituals and solitary confinement?
Naw, like studying the sciences, and brainstorming ideas on how to better society.
>>79269364
Basically started out as a labor union / price fixing cartel for masons.
Evolved into esoteric bullshit.
It's a VIP religion/cult now.
>>79275483
Tolstoy describes is pretty fully in the latter part of War and Peace.
>You've of course read the latter part of War and Peace haven't you /pol/?
It's an anti Christian society with some gussied up materialism/self worship in a lot of spooky/satanic trappings.
>>79269364
This is literally the worst place in the universe to ask that question
>>79275871
>Tolstoy describes is pretty fully in the latter part of War and Peace.
He does a nice write up, but it's far from full.
>It's an anti Christian society
Even though it's pro-Christian? Very devious.
>>79274779
Friend, I'm very interested in learning more, but I don't want to join some lodge that doesn't cookouts true masonry. The teachings sound so thought provoking.
Are there any lodges in the North east America region that are serious about the lessons?
>>79276116
Yea, Traditional Observance / European Concept lodges.
They're all the good stuff with minimal bullshit. Trouble is, i don't think there's an easy way of finding them (even as a member it's hard), so you might have to just ask your state GL (http://www.ugle.org.uk/about/foreign-grand-lodges) if there's one near you.
A lodge doesn't have to be EC/TO to be good, that just raises the odds. Basically, just ask the lodge you might want to join how they feel about the things you're interested in. If they try and steer you towards charity, then it's a waste of time.
>>79271244
>whats the deal with the strange symbolism?
What´s the deal with all the strange symbolism on /pol/?
>>79269364
My Grandfather was a freemason. He has Alzheimers now, which says a lot about Freemasonry.
>>79276341
Can you post pics of any interesting Mason things you have? Or is that against the rules or something
>>79269364
My grandfather was proposed to enter in a lodge latinist.
He denied.
My father probably had some propositions too since I know some of his associates are ones, he either denied it or is really good at hiding it because I never heard about somebody making us a favor.
From what I have read it is nothing more than a networking structure and "mutual help" association (ie favoritism and corruption) between elites, that explains why they are so secret about it, especially when you claim yourself as a plebeian defenders of the weak (like Mélenchon here).
>>79276341
Much appreciated. I think the duality idea cemented my wanting to explore the organization.
I've had some pretty eye opening experiences and want answers
You've been very helpful
>>79272895
This, when you see their face it puts a fucking smile on my face
>>79276629
>He has Alzheimers now, which says a lot about Freemasonry.
That we don't kick out the ill?
>>79276631
Naw, i could, i just don't have a whole lot of interesting stuff. Like, tonnes of regalia, books, rituals, etc. But nothing that you couldn't get online.
>>79276702
Best of luck, bro. You'd certainly have it in spades if you're after stuff about duality in the Craft.
>>79276871
What do freemasons think about yaoi?
>>79276978
Not crazy about it. Faggotry is overtly forbidden in a few places, and discretely forbidden in others.
Not sure about the ruling on yuri, though.
>>79269364
Satanism
Free masonry actually had some high-level members who wanted to corrupt catholicism and push protestantism to maintain control over the proles. With that said I'm a protestant because I believe that the Catholic Church did become evil, but not because of molestation, but rather the infalability of the Pope and their ability to ignore the word of God as the only law of God. Also, works based salvation.
So basically, I'm an enlightened protestant.
Wouldn't join free masonry because of the Bullshit pay structure. Our views should not be dictated by the money we give, but rather the places our hearts are in.
>>79277111
Nice full house trips
>>79277506
>Wouldn't join free masonry because of the Bullshit pay structure
If you want to meet in a building, then you have to keep the lights on somehow.
>>79276053
I would argue that everything else is 'Satanism' (Catholicism, Mormonism, etc) and the Freemasons are 'Luciferian' designed to look like Satanism? Is that right? Satan being the demiurge, Lucifer being the Morning Star?
>>79269364
As far as I'm aware, they're a bunch of tradesmen, merchants and craftsmen whom have formed a guild. I suspect they're really rich and powerful, probably manipulate the markets to their own gain, but I doubt they're a bunch of satanist Jews. It's just a bunch of old guilds merged together.
The local hall up the road had an open night a few months ago, I was meaning on going to it just out of curiosity, but I couldn't make it. I seriously regret it.
On the meeting nights, there are all these pretty slick cars lining up and down the road, but all I see are literally old people dressed formally. Very rarely is their a younger person going to these things.
>>79277954
>I would argue that everything else is 'Satanism'
Sounds a bit silly.
>and the Freemasons are 'Luciferian' designed to look like Satanism? Is that right?
Nope. It's Christian designed to look non-sectarian is about as close as that gets.
>Satan being the demiurge,
If that's your personal belief as a Gnostic, perhaps.
>Lucifer being the Morning Star?
That's the translation, yes. In reference to Christ, of course.
>>79278131
I see. Do you know much about Mormonism?
>>79278410
Not a whole lot. Just the cliffnotes from friends who are Mormon.
>>79278410
>do you know much about Mormonism
Is it non Christian heretical cult hour on /pol/ right now or what?!?
Do you want to talk about jehovas witnesses and Christian Science next?
MAH-HAH-BONE
>>79270701
Interesting take. but will a true ceremonial magic organization offer social support? or are we supposed to start our own? I'm probably too retarded to successfully do it myself.
>>79270539
I have a theory that the temple of Solomon is the body of Jesus, and since we can all become Jesus, we must all rebuilt the temple of Solomon.
Putting what you said in the context of what I said, to create order, you must lock Satan away inside your body. Since the line between good and evil runs through the human heart. I don't know though. Is it really possible? I got the impression that separation is not sustainable, it's just a step in alchemy.
>>79270664
>But you can add other meanings to it, like all of Masonry.
I hear that the Jews teach interpretation of sacred texts on 3 different levels.
>>79282471
>I hear that the Jews teach interpretation of sacred texts on 3 different levels.
Yea, something like that.
>I have a theory that the temple of Solomon is the body of Jesus, and since we can all become Jesus, we must all rebuilt the temple of Solomon.
Doesn't really fit with Christian teaching, though.
>>79277595
Thank you kindly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbs6GvLeEXQ
Hail Satan
>>79282815
>Doesn't really fit with Christian teaching, though.
What doesn't? All of us being able to be Jesus? I was told most Christian sects are fine with that interpretation.
Read Samael Aun Weor
You know how you see a highschool Occult Club sometimes in anime ? That's basically what it is, with more old rich men and world domination.
>>79283279
>I was told most Christian sects are fine with that interpretation.
Whomever told you that was clearly having a laugh.
>>79282085
DELETE THIS
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>79284853
No. I guess the Protestants don't go for that, and technically not the Catholics, but the Orthodox do. One of them thought it was the concept of theosis, but I'm not sure.
In practice, it's just a bunch of bored old guys playing secret club because they've got nothing better to do.
>>79271244
What's the deal with secret handshakes and the rituals at fraternities?
Clubs like the masons used to be a lot more common senpai. But as they died out and shit like the Masons stuck around people just started taking this shit WAY out of context and into retarded directions.
If anyone wants to know what Masons actually do I'll tell you right now.
We drink a few bears, watch sports, play pool, and have a fookin giggle. Hell the guys who aren't like 90 play CoD and shit.
The only reason we even act so secretive is because we're havin a giggle m8. If people weren't so obsessed with "The secret of the masons" or w/e we wouldn't do half the shit we do.
T. Current Mason
