What's the more likely dystopia /pol/?
1984 or Brave New World?
Constant government surveillance or opiate of the masses?
>>79243227
>Not understanding Brave New World is satirical whereas 1984 is an intended representation of dystopia.
Tfw you will never be aldous Huxley
>why even live?
>>79243338
>Not reading Huxleys own essays on BNW
Finish highschool before you shitpost
>>79243338
Jesus Christ are you dumb
Ayn Rand"s 'Anthem' is ten times the dystopian fantasy either of these books are.
>>79243338
Sex, drugs, degeneracy are growing more rampant by the day.
People are more interested in stimulus than family, politics, work than they have ever been in the history of civilization.
I think BNW is much more likely.
>>79243227
Neither.
It's going to be an unholy chimera of both based on what is happening in the world today.
>>79243227
We're currently living in both dystopias ya dingus
>>79243617
What do you mean by 'chimera of both'? BNW but with cameras in your house?
>>79243227
>What's the more likely dystopia /pol/?
A mix of the two.
>>79243227
The general consensus is a mix of both.
>>79243227
Both.
Brave New World comes first:
>1980's-2000's
>dumbs everyone down
>drugs, ghetto culture, public schools
Then 1984:
>2010's - Forever
>people begging to ban guns
>hate speech code
>crying over Brexit
>>79243227
Both
they're complimentary, are they not?
>MFW They separated them into two books so we wouldn't be able to distinguish how the two methods compliment each other
>>79243838
I don't think you have a grasp on what's in that book
>>79243870
>>79243838
>>79243822
>>79243791
Honestly guys, what is this 'both' meme? I'm sure you all have mostly different ideas of what 'both' exactly means?
>>79243227
The reality is a combination of the two, which we are seeing now. People are too wrapped up in their own degeneracy to see the encroaching police state.
>>79243227
>not The Camp of the Saints
I guess this is necessary for this sort of thread.
>>79243227
Our future is the worst of the three in that it is a combination of the two.
>>79243227
We're already living in a combination of both you idiot.
Anyone who tries to argue a 'versus' between the two is retarded.
More like google uses Farenheit 451 levels of censorship
>>79244091
I'm trying to create a discussion. No one has read your shit-tier pet book that shows how smart you are when you reference it. But I suppose the Quran is a better dystopian novel for you britcuck
Pic related. We are currently living in a corporate-owned hellhole with a propaganda-driven, excessively bias media.
Even worse, a lot of people who realize this and are upset by it are convinced that the answer to these problems is a bigger, more powerful government, not understanding that the government itself is even more corrupt.
Fuck it. Hold on to your guns. Wear your sunglasses. Subvert cronyism and tyranny.
>>79244060
>'Both' meme
Both nigger, BOTH. Nothing specific - it's just both of the world's put together!
>>79243227
That's a bad way of looking at it, and is not how the person who coined that meme intended it to be used. Neil Postman's entire life's work (especially Amusing Ourselves to Death and The End of Education which I STRONGLY recommend) was devoted to explaining that it's a combination of both much like Farenheight 451.
Go get yourself a copy of each.
>>79243227
BNW
Honestly it's already happening senpai
Why can't we just be like Pala in Huxley's better book, Island?
Oh right, no one here reads any books outside of high school.
They're both possible but it's looking like BNW is more accurate.
People aren't even aware that their own government and bullshit media are straight up lying to them because they're complacent, drugged out degenerates that think they're good people.
I seriously wonder more and more if a majority of people are even self aware. Like not self conscious, aware that they are even living.
The red pill is realizing we live in both.
>>79244251
>The novel depicts a setting wherein Third World mass immigration to France and the West leads to the destruction of Western civilization. Almost forty years after publication the book returned to the bestseller list in 2011.
Don't use that edge to cover your lack of culture. This book is a good read.
>>79243227
1984 is too crazy, but BNW is how the world is now, minus the test tube baby thing.
Brave New World would be the shit though because another thing from it that doesn't exist in the real world is the option to completely leave modern society and still have cool tribes to go live in. I would be chilling in some tribe somewhere. You can even visit either way, but if you're in the city you have to be "modern acting".
We're really more in the 1984 setting, but with the degeneracy present in Brave New World.
The masses are losing all their morals for pleasure, all the while the government gains more and more power.
We can see more prominent characteristics of 1984 in our own culture: duckspeak, people are constantly ignoring facts for what they believe, and that the liberals are acting like drones to every movement the media covers.
>>79243227
We already live in both
>>79243227
We are currently living in Huxley's world, but don't worry in ten to twenty years we'll be in Orwell's
>>79244465
>minus the test tube baby thing
this is coming my friend. Step one is normalizing abortion.
>>79243227
>pic related
>>79243227
It's a mixture.
It's pretty much BNW degenerating further into 1984
>>79243600
> Sex, drugs, degeneracy are growing more rampant by the day.
If only we could have the eugenics it wouldn't be so bad.
>>79244683
this pretty much
>>79243227
I would argue both. It is Brave New World at first however whenever someone tries to stand up to or question things they are violently shut down by the government or their tools (Antifa and other SJWs)
Things are progressing worse than either Huxley or Orwell imagined
>>79244552
10-20 years is too generous.
We're already in the 1984 setting purely because of the liberals blindly acting as drones and the constant surveillance we're under.
>>79243227
A mixture of both. Brave New World -> 1984. The only reason an authoritarian security state can form from a stable democracy is that people are afraid of being free and only want to feel good and be safe.
>>79244007
This is the correct answer, they are both happening at the same time.
>>79243429
right, nigga?
right...
i wanna be a mystic on the last great reservation
send me off with some lsd, lady
>>79243600
this
also:
sports reinforcing consumerism
prioritization of fashion and materialism
>>79244683
>>79244671
>>79244494
>>79243838
BNW for the plebian masses. 1984 for anyone who works for Big Brother.
We're currently living in a hybrid mix of the various dystopic elements from both books
>>79244794
>oh you strange cognitively dissonant gorilla
huxley's dystopia's foundation is on eugenics taken to the extreme
>>79243227
>Not realizing that the western world of 2016 contains the worst elements of both
TFW you want to crawl into the oven but your house has an electric stove.
>>79243227
depends on the country. America, Canada and Australia have nearly reached BNW levels of mindless distractions and stimulus. whereas Russia and China just need better technology to effectively implement the thought police
>>79245185
man that is a monolith of badassery
Like others have said both. 1984 is an examination of the security apparatus surrounding the inner workings of the party, and BNW is an analysis of the hedonim of the proles that keeps them occupied. Newspeak, double think, and the intense scrutiny only exists on the inner party or about ten percent of the influential population in total. The top one percent exist beyond these constraints but enable them because they actually belief the lies they force others to tell. Finally the proles have very little restrictions,but they are so hedonistic and distracted they do nothing to harm the state. Tragically neither outlook is actually contradictory, but both are becoming true
>>79243227
of the 2 1984 no questions asked but that just predicts now really
the most likely dystopian future is something like "the road"
Huxley, anyone who thinks otherwise has a childlike mind.
>>79244931
>Forgetting the fact that people where put in prison and tortued for even having emotions in 1984 (but muh liberals)
>>79243227
Its both
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>>79243227
1984 is what we're living in
Except in 1984 they made the constant big brother supervision mandatory
The greatest thing they figured out is that people will resist if you make them put a camera in their home, so what to do?
Sell you a camera, and make you carry it everywhere with you. Make it stylish and a status symbol so everyone will want one. It's not just a camera, it's also a GPS to track you, to listen in on your calls, to track your shopping habits, to know everything about you.
That's what the modern smartphone has become, and they don't have to make you carry one, you choose to carry one, you'll pay to carry one.
>>79244007
Pretty much this, 1984 is from the government workers point of view, and BNW is everyone elses
>>79245185
Weapons are so overrated. We had mountains of weapons in Russia in 1946, you could just go to battlefield nearby and get a machinegun or a tank. Nobody revolted.
No weapons in 1991, whole tank army stationed in Moscow, yet USSR fell overnight.
>>79244150
But I love CZ75s.
>>79245508
Thank you anon for giving an explanation unlike half of the fucks here that just say BOTH LOL without any backup
I don't have the source on this, but it's relevant.
Both of those things, as needed.
The plebs wallow in BNW, while the elites who actually run things live in rigid, paranoid hierarchies like 1984.
>>79243549
Fuck off libercuck.Ayn rand was nothing but a narcissist pleb with way too much self love and nothing more.
I'm currently reading Farenheight 451 and so far its alright.
I just finished part 1, and the last couple of pages there's a part where one of the firemen explains why they need to destroy books which was pretty interesting.
I have yet to read Brave New World but I have read 1984 and thought it was very good.
Book bros where do you rank each three? 1984, BNW then F451?
>>79245764
good analysis, but im afraid you put too much faith in an airtight regime
they didnt instill 1984 or "make you carry it everywhere with you"
first, its the huxley brand of materialistic hedonism that makes us want the smart phone cameras
then we enslave ourselves to surveillance
WE have collectively created the 1984 world, and everyone who posts personal photos, who records any public or private act for the sake of views or likes, is complicit in this.
truly, good analysis, but id hafta say it was no conspiratorial scam, but something we much more ironically asked for ourselves
>>79243227
I got lazy sophomore year, and never read BNW
Whats the difference between it and 1998?
>>79244794
I see what you did there.
>>79244060
degeneracy growing more and more rampant (like it already is) combined with more and more big brother type shit. just that
>>79246100
I think you mean 1984
>>79245801
>Weapons are so overrated
'If there is hope,’ wrote Winston, ‘it lies in the proles.’
If there was hope, it MUST lie in the proles, because only there in those swarming disregarded masses, 85 per cent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated. The Party could not be overthrown from within.
Weapons are more a sign and gauge of freedom - If they are trying to take them from you, you can imagine something bad is likely coming next. It is a litmus test for how much your government fears you.
Which one should I read first if I haven't touched either of them?
>>79246100
lolol
thanks i kekd
>>79244060
What, you expect we'll lay out, in great detail down to every possible minutiae of every system and organization and technology and zeitgeist er cetera, what exactly it will be like?
>>79243227
>both
>>79245764
Part of it is also control of the media.
Have to remember the Memory Holes Winston talked about where they'd incinerate information that wasn't supposed to get out to people. They made up people and stories that never existed or never happened just to cultivate faith in the current regime. The same regime where the 3 basic rules were backwards logic.
Disagreeing with the government was also death or torture. They'd indoctrinate you if you were a lucky candidate.
>>79246028
Brave New World always felt the most on point and relevant
>>79246272
id say Brave New World, quicker read, more direct applications against hedonism, materialism, and nihilism
very inspiring tale of the human spirit screaming out in rebellion
Kind of related, The Society of the Spectacle is pretty accurate in describing the world we live in now despite being written in 1967.
>>79243227
opiating of the masses leads to mass surveillance.
Can you remember the ending of Brave New World?
Did the guy commit sudoku?
>>79246468
never heard, looks interesting as per title relevance.
thanks anon
>>79246602
super foothanging sudoku
>>79246240
Wat
>>79245764
exactly
Both are rather fantastical. The closest thing to 1984 made manifest is North Korea. The World State of BNW is a hypothetical end to human progress if that end is the maximization of human happiness, the facilitation of man's cravings (youth, freedom from pain, worry and boredom, meaning, gratification). O'Brien admits that the Inner Party's aims are self-serving and megalomaniac, while Mond sacrifices his own love for truth to the sake of humanity. BNW is certainly dystopian but it's hard to call the World State a nightmare, though it is obviously undesirable to a normal individual like The Savage who didn't fit into it or anywhere else.
So it's either bits of both and neither. The reality is more complex than either book's scenario.
>>79246742
no
see my earlier post, feel free to retort
>>79246052
^^
>>79245764
>>79245846
Legend of the Galactic Heroes
>>79243227
we're already in both worlds
>>79243754
We will get 1984 but we will be more than happy to accept that "brave" new world, because we can be high and be total deviants.
>>79246897
no, its not that conspiratorial
we've willingly enslaved ourselves through materialism and pandering for likes and views
the government was just playing hyena, quick to lap up our willingness to enslave ourselves
>>79243227
We're already living in a halfway point between the two
Atlas Shrugged.
Atlas Shrugged.
Atlas Shrugged.
Atlas Shrugged.
>>79244671
>>79244150
>taking a protein shake and exercising
>bad
what
>>79243227
Brave New World without a fucking doubt
1984 is still a good fucking book but it's more about the communist side of things, BNW deals with the inevitable end of a capitalist society I think
>>79243227
We got both, the best possible thing.
>>79244671
thx for the comic, bootiful
>>79245801
no one revolted in 1946 because everyone feared stalin, beria and co. not to mention had suffered alot due to civil war, red terror and ww2. they weren't ready for another round immediately and knew that regime has enough loyal executioners.
1991 soldiers weren't willing to shoot their own families without hesitation like in days of stalin.
>>79245764
But you can turn off location services completely and tape over the inner camera. It isn't a very effective observation tool of you can disable it so easily.
>>79244060
Aspects of both. Party leadership/alphas run the show. Party membership/betas/white sjws are the cogs in the machine, the primary focus of the carrot and stick of the police state and a targeted culture of hedonistic excess. Gammas/non-members/spics/niggers are the slave-caste, allowed free exercise of their minds because they are incapable of using it. The state uses brutal violent repression and control of language and rewriting of history only when necessary, but self-perpetuating ignorance and sensualism free these tools from the need for constant use.
>>79243227
>>79243227
Por que no los dos?
We have some of both, our society has grown both more vapid and obsessed with self gratification and it also has large groups of people who happily advocate for giving up our rights in exchange for "safety". People already try to condition their children to certain political and religious ideologies before they understand what they're being told, then they get pumped full of drugs and sent to school so they can be taught conformity and have their creativity and individuality crushed.
Honestly though neither book perfectly captures what we've done, but I think it's indisputable that we already live in a dystopia to a certain degree.
>>79247330
Nope. We got both. BNW for masses, 1984 for people working for government and corporate leadership.
>>79247725
>But you can turn off location services completely and tape over the inner camera
But who does this? Again, the problem is not that they make you, the problem is that they made you WANT to be monitored.
>>79247156
Poo in a Loo is right
Sociallying we're in Atlas shrugged, bleeding into BNW
Politically we're moving quickly into 1984
>>79247725
>turn off location services
And of course you trust the manufacturer with that switch. Like Windows 10's "telemetry" that activates itself at each start up
>>79247847
thank you, finally a realist, not a conspiritard
the problem is us (the attention whores) just as much as them (the data collectors)
>>79243227
brave new world
>>79243227
>patriot act
>legalization of marijuana
Both are happening dude.
>sports more important than politics
>breeding "clones" for worker class
>>79247946
You can still disable it. Just takes hoops to jump through.
My advice to iPhone users: Jailbreak your phone for security, or stop updating your phone.
>>79247847
Plenty of non retarded people do it
>>79247211
this
the rest of it is pretty spot on tho
>>79247211
It's not that lifting itself is bad, but bro lifting culture is trivial and cancerous
>>79243227
Both blended equally.
>>79247829
>We got both.
This.
>BNW for masses
Huxley focuses more on the management of the average citizen, aka the prole / proletariat / plebeian. eg:Soma, feelies, mass consumption and repetition of messages "spending is better than mending"
>1984 for people working for government and corporate leadership
Winston worked for "Big Brother" aka Federal Government/A massive mega-gorp blurred entity, so this exactly.
Orwell briefly mentions the 'proles' aka the public masses through Winston's observances, and mentions that they have the power, but over all they are left to their own devices since they can be easily managed and placated through dissemination of liters of beer, and the pornography manufactured by big brother.
Orwell focused on how controlling governemnt will control thoughts via words, and manipulate the publics' perception on the past while manipulating the views of today. He who controls the past, controls the future - He who controls the present, controls the past.
>>79243227
Hard to tell at the moment. Modern society is more of controlled decadence.
>>79248276
Then watch all you apps stop working, and your phone brick....
If you are paranoid, why the fuck do you have a phone?
Your opsec is weak.
>>79248764
is that johnny cash?
fuq
>>79247076
>Richard Stallman: iPhones and Androids are 'Big Brother' tracking devices
I feel this guy doesn't get enough coverage on /pol/. Sure he is a hippy, but he warned us, decades ago, of the potential dangers of allowing government-controlled technology to take over our lives.
On most if not all of his points he was right. Sadly.
>>79243227
a bit of both but also some Fahrenheit 451
>>79248950
oof, never heard of before, quick google and very interested
tanks, anon
>>79244060
They're both two sides of the same coin. Both Huxley and Orwell knew each other. Both had concerns about the future.
Orwell believed that the state would control people through police state, censorship, tyranny and propaganda. And of course political correctness (newspeak).
Huxley believed that if everybody was dumbed down and constantly distracted by frivolity then there would be no need to ban books, because nobody would read them.
We live in a mixture of both, and move increasingly towards both.
People engage in cheap, shallow endless pleasure and pop culture. People take drugs instead of dealing with their problems.
And then there's an ever increasing police state. They were both half right, and were completed by the other.
>>79248950
He is also right
>posting from GNU/lLinux
>>79243227
>>79243227
Both.
>>79244794
Always nice to see /sci/ memes on other boards
>>79249748
im confused by this meme
why is it palatable when huxley's society of hedonism and materialism is BASED on eugenics?
or am i just missing the irony
Also, you forgot all the other great books.
#NotJust1984AndBraveNewWorld
>>79248928
>he's not familiar with the occasional posting of Johnny Cash eating cake in a bush picture
Hello newfriend
>>79243227
>whynotboth.tiff
>>79249881
It's just gorillaposting. Using that picture along with an unpopular scientific opinion. It got so bad on /sci/ at one point I'm pretty sure now it's a banable offense.
>>79249992
Without fully endorsing Ayn Rand and her philosophical ideas, Atlas Shrugged is pretty damn on point these days in its predictions about socialism fucking America.
>>79250453
That doesn't make it wrong.
In fact at this point I'm more likely to give anything 90% of the world hates a serious re-examination just based on the fact that so many of the worst people in the world dislike it.
>>79250535
And don't forget The Turner Diaries!
>>79243227
The extended fascist anarchist revolution global sovereign debt crisis edition followed by the return of classical economics and limited opaque governments.
>>79243227
The government can't gain full power, because we could easily kill their security. NWO is literally impossible, even if they tried they'd fail so fucking hard it wouldn't even be funny.
Inb4 drone, military will refuse to kill their own civilians. And even if they don't refuse, guerrilla warfare would quickly take out any government resistance.
>>79250535
That and the Fountainhead were the first steps to my being red pilled.
Obviously I threw that shit out when I realized how impracticable it is, but at least she taught me to hate commies and socialists.
>>79243227
1984 is more about manipulation of language than it is surveillance.
>>79250597
again....huxley's dystopia is FOUNDED on eugenics in their most extreme version
>>79243227
Clearly both. The (((elites))) are unironically implementing both. Do you think (((they))) haven't read both, plus Revelations?
The funny thing is that (((they))) will trigger the prophesies in Revelations and most people will go to Hell regardless of whether they read this or not.
>>79251291
Oh I wasn't talking about BNW, just commenting on the fact that /sci/ and most of the world these days hate eugenics.
>>79243227
I used to believe a method of living where my existence serves as a piece of someone else's construction was okay if I was able to have a decent personal life. Later on I realized this goal of a decent personal life is hedonistic and became depressed at the idea that I was building myself up for continuation until death. The purpose of every person's life should be goal oriented towards advancing humanity positively in an objective way. Every action has meaning if the result of the action is an impression.
>>79251153
Problem is people rarely have a moderate opinion on Ayn Rand, they either love her or hate her.
For me I just take value from her works, and discard what I found invaluable.
Fountainhead is very much a story (although an extreme one) about the struggle for artistic integrity and originality, and that;s respectable.
Atlas Shrugged goes very long winded, but is still on point in how it puts across how scum of an ideology communism actually is.
But yeah, her philosophy is too extreme, and autistic. It also creates edgelords.
Brave New World, easily.
Things like mass consumer tech and the ever increased influx of media over-stimulation is our SOMA.
>>79244184
This. Farenheit 451 is more likely than both 1984 and BNW. 1984 is more totalitarian than the future, and BNW has too much genetic manipulation
>>79243227
The masses are opiated and government surveillance is everywhere.
It's already too late.
>>79251644
>and discard what I found invaluable.
What I found not valuable even
>>79251248
The control of language is put in place by the surveillance.
They have to use that language and the humiliation demoralizes them because it forces them to collude with the government.
And they have to use it because they are watched by everyone around them.
>>79247211
It's not the act of lifting or getting healthy, but the culture of obsession with self-aesthetic overall and inflated inward narcissism in the gym "culture"
>>79251668
also, legalizing marijuana and the massive pharma culture
but good point
>>79251461
>The funny thing is that (((they))) will trigger the prophesies in Revelations and most people will go to Hell regardless of whether they read this or not.
Most people won't go to hell because they'll see the goddamned traitors humiliate themselves and then they'll realize they have to fight them to the death because it's the only chance they have to not be doomed. The cannibal uprising will be hysterical because it'll be so obvious who's been damned and how particular damnation is.
Imagine constant discomfort that escalates with time. This is what happens when the cock key of david rocks and the curse is broken. After it's grown into proportional girth they'll all get sick and start actually dying. For the most part only the ever-vicious will be damned, that and all the faggots that can't tell that they're damned.
For the rest of the suckers - their doom is to never go to heaven, the afterlife can be a miserable place for the disloyal even if they practice all the tricks in the book.
Both. Lavish degeneracy with a side of harsh oppression for straying out of line.
Hedonist lefties with a thought police to protect said hedonism.
>>79252087
>yfw there is weed strains and breeders called SOMA
>>79251960
And we already live in that because of turbo political correctness.
We're not so bad here tbf. And the referendum has shown that people are just saying what they really think now, much to the dismay of lefties.
But the PC police are really bad in countries like Germany and Sweden. It's legit police state through language manipulation there.
>>79244671
1984 is the end game, not the hilarity of BNW (although Huxley did get the pleasure aspect correct)
>>79247725
Unfortunately, it's not that easy. To be truly anonymous and untraceable in today's world requires a level of patience, commitment to detail, and time that not many people today have
>>79251708
And it involves the BMW aspect of materialism, along with 1984's censorship. I'd say that it's almost here but we can nip it in the bud before it grows.
>>79248548
I agree, but the picture doesn't do a good job differentiating the two.
>>79252102
>This is what happens when the cock key of david rocks and the curse is broken.
2nd seal
>After it's grown into proportional girth they'll all get sick and start actually dying. For the most part only the ever-vicious will be damned, that and all the faggots that can't tell that they're damned.
3rd seal
Didn't everyone gather this from Revelation? Lmao.
The Kabbalah is far more crucial than the NT. If you don't "get" the Kabbalah then you disbelieve the core of Abrahamic religion.
>>79244314
Seconded
451 is an extemly easy and quick read I highly recommend it to anyone too busy to read other dystopia novels.
Anyone want to take a guess who the "man" is?
>>79252521
I really hope we can, anon. For all of our sakes
>>79243517
you're dumb.
>>79252730
And all these phony Babylonians go around too stupid to realize it would be nonsense to call the son of a virgin the "son of man". They're absolutely fucked, they're cornered and in denial playing pride games to as a gimmick to leech off of everybody.
>>79252748
I believe full blown censorship won't happen, but I feel like social stigma like PC culture will spread to other topics, as long as we have aspies to speak their mind and ignore that we have a chance, for once I'm glad we have retards.
>>79252811
Checked and rekt.
>>79252730
Haven't you seen school of rock? The man is the guy trying to keep you down.
>>79243227
Both. Already have surveillance everywhere. Children are medicated so that they aren't as active, fluoride in water, and sugar in your food. Fat, lazy, and stupid.
>>79252446
>To be truly anonymous and untraceable in today's world requires a level of patience, commitment to detail, and time that not many people today have
It actually doesn't take much more than having a proper organization and a certain conservatism in action. That and a submarine. One could go from notorious to completely anonymous with one sub trip and a ride to the hood.
>>79243227
Brave New World for the next 20-70 years.
1984 After that.
hey guys i found reports of the canada, usa mexcio thing being called
THE NEW WORLD ORDER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdxI0zClV_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q_YqstMXww
also if you want look at these illuminati globalization propaganda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vRalN6Jduk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYYGdcLbFkw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpqVmvMCmp0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jRuEkK61Dg
anonymous one was found out to be memetics guys (cruz meme zionist crew)
end world hunger, world peace, one nation are the very blatant keywords of new world order
funny how it was presented by the two meme leaders of the countries (im sure everyone hates the mexican guy)
>tfw Starship Troopers will never become real
;_;
>>79245724
Not emotions, but for having the weong thoughts, which is happening. I don't recall the conservatives ever asking for a bigger govt, a police state, gun ban, and hate speech.
Take your iMac back to Starbucks and keep working on your screenplay, faggot.
>>79244251
Just because the Brit is right doesn't mean you have to act like a fag.
>>79243227
>not giving the option of Fahrenheit 451
kys
Europe is the perfect example of both books
>Population becomes passive from drugs and culture
>Brussels elites control nearly all the countries
>Speech deemed offensive will land you in jail
Huxley predictions came first, Orwells has only begun ):
>>79254667
Fah. 451 is great literature, but in terms of what we're discussing, it's simply an American 1984-lite.
Deus Ex
>>79243549
>promoting objectivism
BOTH
>>79245185
*Orwell unsheathes Katana*
>>79243754
The camera's in your cellphone.
>>79255940
>>79245185
This.
Look at how the proles are given shit tonnes of porn to consume, shitty songs to sing, lotteries to lose, and alcohol to drink. Orwell knew very well that you cannot rule an entire nation with an iron fist, and the proles are a representation of that.
We are the proles. The politicians are the inner party. The rich are the outer party.
In order to be free, you must be insignificant. The people will never be insignificant in a democracy, as they are the ones who must support the politicians and pay the rich. The rich must fund the politicians, and the politicians must are having their every move criticized by other politicians and rich people. Thinking that we must be members of the party just because Winston was is a blunder.
Brave New World is overrated, overblown shit and an instrument of white guilt.
The Jew Neil Postman used this book as the center prop in his white guilt revival circus for years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Postman
Enough of this fucking moral signalling.
>>79247946
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Windows 10, is in fact, NSA/Windows, or as I've recently taken to calling it, NSA plus Windows. Windows is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another component of a fully functioning NSA surveillance system made useful by the NSA corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by NIST.
Many computer users run a modified version of the NSA system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of NSA which is widely used today is often called "Windows", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the NSA system, developed by the NSA Special Projects Directorate.
There really is a Windows, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Windows is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete intelligence collection system. Windows is normally used in combination with the NSA operating system: the whole system is basically NSA with Windows added, or NSA/Windows. All the so-called "Windows" distributions are really distributions of NSA/Windows.
people who say that 1984 is about control through pain, while BNW is control through pleasure, are morons
the proles in 1984 are controlled very much by pleasure, porn and shitty music and the lottery are made to distract them
1984 really isn't about surveillance. the main point of the book is about the inversion of truth
>>79244432
people are more aware, its just that 50% are sub 100 IQ...
>>79243754
Will get a horrible, totalitarian government that pushes newspeak and censorship while simultaneously sedating the population with a deluge of drugs and media.
Speaking of Brave New World. How does this stand up to the book? I actually really enjoyed this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek5vse2_Aq0
>>79249311
Orwell was an order of magnitude a better writer than Huxley.
Huxley had some great ideas but his writing is frankly pretentious and more like a comic book than literature.
>>79255197
Orwell was really 1930s-style Authoritarianism taken to its logical conclusion, with the addition of speculative technology.
Huxley depicted 1930s American Jewish values of Hollywood and consumerism taken to their logical conclusion, with the addition of speculative technology (particularly technology relating to advancing the cause of vanity and hedonism).
Like most people are saying, the 21st-century West is both, to varying degrees of intensity, and varying between countries.
This.I think we all know in our heart of hearts that this is the world we live in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZshIb5IJQU
>>79245221
>>79249881
>>79251291
That's the joke.
He was commenting on how the other anon said the world is becoming more and more "degenerate" and more like Huxleys world.
Then the gorilla poster said
>>>79244794
>If only we could have the eugenics it wouldn't be so bad.
It was just an extention of how to bring Huxleys world to reality.
The best part is that this is being discussed on a history board.
And we all know, history is bunk.
>>79259505
>>79243227
I just realized I wasn't on /his/
>>79259593
I'm probably a 3 desu senpai
>>79259593
>>79243227
A little bit of Column A and a little bit of Column B. Along with a dash of Fahrenheit 451, Harrison Bergeron, Atlas Shrugged, and others.
>>79260371
I'm a 4, but only because the E.Gruppen were an anti-partizan force in places like N.africa.
European E.Gruppen were the "murderers rapists and theives"
>>79260506
This is the funniest shit I've seen in a while.
>Muh generation sucks!
>All the music now is garbage
>Muh generation is more degenerate than ever!
>Back in the old days everybody was all about work!
Literally what you retards sound like. 1984 is the most likely, but that's not going to happen either.
>>79259593
>>79260595
Is there one for a competent ideology?
>>79260949
Idunno.
I am working on one for Fascism.
Then one for Mosley, then Rex, then Franco.
*sniff* and so on.
Probably a mix of 1984's government, BNW indulgence of media and Atlas Shrugged's SJW taking over the world.
>>79256006
>implying considering everything as a spook makes spooks less influential on the world
>>79260949
>>79243227
?Por que no es dos?
It only makes sense- synergistic control of society. It could be accomplished with mass surveillance alongside infinite distractions
>>79245946
this. fuck that ugly bitch cunt
>>79248950
Stallmanu had decent points about government spying and proprietorship of technology, but he's also a fat fuck autistic manchild who felt the Bern and condones pedophilia
>>79243227
¿por qué no los dos?
The sooner you realize both are going to happen the sooner you can deal with it
>>79246602
has a convo with mustafa mond and gets permission to live a shorter but realer life outside the corrupt society
>>79243227
Brave new world is an utopia, the people that do not fit in are sent to islands where they can do what they want. The global leader is one of them
>>79243645
This is the correct answer.
>>79243227
A brave new world. We're already moving in that direction.
We are living in the world of 1984, many of the main tenants of the Orwellian dystopia are clearly visible in today's world
>Newspeak
A language created to scrub out all bad words out so that you cannot even describe the evil in the world.
Even today I see campaigns to "ban the word retard" and other stupid shit like it. Regressives have fully embraced the idea of Newspeak.
>Surveillance
I don't even need to describe the level of surveillance we are under, you all know by now.
>Historical Revisionism
Well I couldn't name you any specific examples off the top of my head, but they're probably easy to see for a discerning viewer.
>>79243227
>Government spies on us and censors things from us
>To keep people away from that truth the government opiates us
The two complement each other
>>79263419
>Well I couldn't name you any specific examples off the top of my head
WE WUZ KANGS N' SHIEET
>>79248359
came to post this lol, taco girl KNEW.
>>79263419
Historical revisionism has always existed. What is new is instant revisionism, online website so often change radically the content of their article in short periods of times.
So they do political parties websites
Tldr of 1984
He who controls the past controls the future, he who controls the present controls the past.
Shit opened my eyes
Reminder that Orwell and Huxley were members of the Fabian society, promoting SOCIALISM. 19 British Prime ministers are also from the Fabian society.
Huxlry wrote a letter to Orwell, few parts:
Dear Mr. Orwell, ....... greeing with all that the critics have written of it, I need not tell you, yet once more, how fine and how profoundly important the book is.
May I speak instead of the thing with which the book deals — the ultimate revolution?
The first hints of a philosophy of the ultimate revolution — the revolution which lies beyond politics and economics, and which aims at total subversion of the individual's psychology and physiology — are to be found in the Marquis de Sade, who regarded himself as the continuator, the consummator, of Robespierre and Babeuf.
My own belief is that the ruling oligarchy will find less arduous and wasteful ways of governing and of satisfying its lust for power, and these ways will resemble those which I described in Brave New World.
Within the next generation I believe that the world's rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience.
"Orwell and Huxley were both members of The Fabian Society, a satanic Freemasonry group with ties to Tavistock,both groups working to bring about a New World Order.They met one another in the early 1930's through the Fabian Society,in London."
>>79263419
Just now how they changed the public opinion of the motivation of the Orlando shootings or making the civil war all about slavery
>>79243227
Yes to both. BNW is the social and cultural aspect, 1984 is the political and administrative aspect.
Brave New World: mad sex in helicopters with different chicks and loads of free drugs.
Sounds fuckin magic, desu.
