Reminder, we need to use the left's tactics against them. Everywhere. Not just here, but everywhere. Flood the internet.
1) “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.”
2) “Never go outside the expertise of your people.”
3) “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.”
4) “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
5) “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
6) “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
7) “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.
8) “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”
9) “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”
10) "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."
11) “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.”
12) “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”
13) “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
who are those quotes by and why do i have the feeling you made them yourself
>>79214004
remember to always attack.
If you defend you might hold but if you attack you might score.
also ridicule, as stated in OP, is truly the masterweapon
For #4, constantly rebuke them with their own policies. "We need to close the borders because it harms American low-income workers. You're not against American workers are you?"
#2 and 3, always debate on your topics and your terms. Control the narrative.
#5 and 6 apply to our meme warfare. It is the most effective tool in the book. It's fun to do, so people do it naturally, and it is an unstoppable weapon. Ridicule.
#7 - don't get focused on stuff that gets old. As soon as "normies" start to pick up on stuff, drop it and leave it for the reddit scraps. We are the vanguard of memetic warfare.
#9 whatever thing you say leftists will cause, make it even bigger with hyperbole.
#11 directly applies to something like being anti-diversity and anti-immigration. Keep pushing and we will break through.
#12 - don't get caught not having a constructive idea. If you attack, be prepared to propose an alternative.
#13 - we need to do a better job of this. We need to pick specific people and ideas and target them ruthlessly until we ridicule them into jokes.
>>79214004
Yesterday was the last day of school, wasnt it?
>>79214176
Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. It's the playbook of the left since the 60s and it's demolished conservatism.
>>79214470
Correct. Always deflect and attack. Turn everything around on them. NEVER stop and defend or apologize. Say you're going to explain, and then attack them again. It's all about momentum and keeping them on their back foot.
>>79214891
hear hear
>>79214891
>Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. It's the playbook of the left since the 60s and it's demolished conservatism.
American conservatism is fat, tasteless shit, so good riddance
Europe does need to control it's progressive globalist left though
The right falls into the trap of arguing efficiency and practicality. When we attack Obamacare, or higher taxes, we say oh because it's bad for the economy and this and that. Which is true. But people aren't swayed by statistics fights.
The left fights with ideology. Ideology trumps practicality in a debate.
Conservative: Liberal ideas don't work!
Liberal: Conservatives are evil!
Liberals win. We need to turn the ideological argument back around on them, make THEM the bad guy. You can already see it happening correctly:
Right: We need to close the borders to protect the American worker (ideology)
Left: Immigrants grow the economy and GDP goes up (practicality)
Right: Two choices - argue the practicality, which is a trap, or stay on the ideological attack with ignoring the left's practical response and continuing with an ideological attack about how the left is anti-American worker and anti-middle class.
We have to show leftism as evil.
>>79214004
14)"The only reason you trust the federal government, is because you hate your neighbor"
>>79214004
All leftism reduces to ressentiment. Don't fight with facts ("male, normative" logic won't work anyway). Break down their argument till you reach the moral core. The truth of left is grievance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment
Also remember, "Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions."
We've seen this with our own eyes. Calling out the neocon and globalist agenda doesn't really gain ground, until we started calling them cucks, and suddenly it exploded.
The cuck meme really hits a lot of the points outlined here. It goes on the offensive, it ridicules the opponent, it is fun to do, it freezes them and forces them to defend themselves, it is non-stop pressure, and it is a personalized attack.
It's the same way the left throws around "racist" and "Nazi" - those are their "cuck" words to freeze, attack, and ridicule the opposition.
Cuck is great because it carries the idea of selling out as a connotation, along with being a sexual bitch. It's highly insulting.
We also need to find another word, one that really carries the idea of someone who is anti-American worker. I think this should be the theme to get voters back from the left.
I plugged "turncoat" into Thesaurus just to see what comes up:
Defector
Deserter
Squealer (Snitch? This has potential)
Informer
Double-crosser
Tattletale
Benedict Arnold
Backstabber
Apostate
Fink
Snake
Tergiversator
Stool piegeon
Betrayer
Judas
Sneak
Treasonist
Conspirator
Quisling
Snitch
Two-Timer
Deceiver
Rat (hello rato)
Spy
White-blower
>>79216004
Yes, that's one of the big points here. We will not defeat them with logic and facts.
We win, essentially, by meming. We must attack them ideologically.
>>79214004
Here to help with anti-left messaging tactics.
>>79214004
That's some sun tzu tier stuff right there
Bumping
remember that division and conflict is evidence of the jew's presence
remember that truth is actually truth, it will (eventually) win even without a sinister strategy
remember that you have dignity
>>79216196
>Benedict Arnold
This guy is a rightist hero who fought for folk, heritage and loyalty. The US revolution is liberal nu-world shit.
>>79216805
You'll take your dignity to the grave.
>>79215280
Exactly right, study after study after study show that humans take facts and force them into their pre-existing political views.
>A person's emotional response to a policy drives their logical argument for or against it.
If you can "brand" a politician as evil, then the public will view everything that person says as evil. It creates an emotional firewall that prevents that politician from making logical political inroads.
So the question becomes, how do you break down that firewall?
Studies show that propaganda becomes ineffective once the viewer realizes it is propaganda....
cont
>>79216805
now you are jewing /pol/
remember that "conservatives" have been telling the truth and gotten fuck all for it.
winning is what matters, yes we have the facts and truth on our side but we want to win.
not be ben shapiro kek losers who still have their "principles".
no fuck that, winning is better
>>79217302
EXACTLY
>>79217154
that's the idea
I know that God is real, and that jews serve their father Satan
the jew can't see beyond the grave, they want glory with their false god now, and the true God has already said that they will have it, before the end of this world
>>79217472
No one here is talking about sinning.
>>79214504
#13 is already happening - Carl The Cuck , AIDS Scrillex , are two recent examples of picking a target, freezing it , and ridiculing the hell out of it.
>>79217302
where's part 2 of the cont
I don't see nearly enough pro right pro trump memes on Facebook, but I see tons of liberal anti trump memes on Facebook everyday. Every single one of them is an appeal to emotion. /Pol/ is claiming it is the vanguard of memes but I feel like nobody is posting them they are dieing here when they have so much potential to be spread to social media
>>79217791
Yes indeed. But they are nobodies. Good practice for the real thing though. Jeb/Marco/Cruz is a better example.
Now we need to turn that onto Hillary.
>>79217652
would you prefer something more secular?
then I'll ask if you would accept becoming a jew in order to beat them
they're better at being jews, a lot better. a white man is terrible at being sneaky and evil
>>79217302
In one case study, neutral voters where shown a propaganda piece on a specific policy and asked afterward if they supported it. The mass majority did.
A second group of neutral voters was brought in and show the same piece. Only this time, they were told that the piece was specifically created to tug at their emotions and sway their opinion. After viewing the propaganda, the mass majority of the voters were opposed to the policy.
> Propaganda can be used against the leftist-establishment once the people realize it's propaganda.
> The leftists will have no way to war back support because of confirmation bias against all propaganda attempts.
The best way to create an anti-left movement isn't to argue the facts. The facts are overruled by voters emotional predisposition. Instead, we have to show them that the MSM is using the 24 hour news cycle to spread their propaganda with new "facts" everyday. After this realization, the voters will start seeing every news report as confirmation that the establishment is trying to manipulate them and will rebel against the elite.
>>79214004
im a fan of using their own liberal buzzwords against them, or "out-liberaling the liberal"
example of a paraphrased conversation i actually had
>how could you like Trump?! he's so racist
>how is he racist?
>he wants to deport Mexicans
>no he wants to deport illegal immigrants
>yeah and he also wants to ban Muslims from entering
>Islam is a religion, not a race
>yeah but muslims generally come from a specific region
>if you're going to be generalizing, it sounds like you're the one who's racist
she never came back from that one
i say defend until you find the hole in their argument THEN attack using their own logic
>>79217834
Here
>>79217974
Working on part 3 now
why haven't I seen that pic before.
it is brilliant in the way it strikes back with the same logic at the musket argument. thank you and saved
>>79217853
We need more like these. Like how the 14th amendment was really just for African slaves to be citizens not anchor babies from Latin America.
>>79218070
Solid, it is always good to use their own rules against them.
But you are still on the defensive, and still the ideological bad guy. You need to sidestep the racist accusation and immediately attack them ideologically. Some come backs:
- Trump is trying to protect America and save the working class. You are against that. You've turned your back on the millions of Americans struggling to get by, just because you virtue signal your egalitarianism by championing diversity. You have nothing but contempt for the American worker because you're willing to mortgage their families and their future to prove that you aren't racist. You should be ashamed to call yourself an American. If you want open borders and the destruction of nation states and national brotherhood, just come out and say it.
You can't really argue with leftist tards because empirical evidence is on their side. OP probably thinks John Meynard Keynes is a socialist instead of the savior of Capitalism.
>>79214891
>Correct. Always deflect and attack. Turn everything around on them. NEVER stop and defend or apologize.
this is why whenever you says some shit like
>Muslim migrants are raping native women
they immediately respond with
>white men rape too
they are going on the "offensive" because whether conscious or unconscious they know they can't defend themselves against facts.... only way they can win the argument to to flip it back at us.
>>79218863
Exactly. But they win that way. And we lose.
WE need to flip it.
>how to combat the left
>>79217974
>start seeing every news report as confirmation that the establishment is trying to manipulate them
This is what brought me around, when I started seeing the blatant lies and media manipulation pushing a specific narrative I stopped trusting any mainstream opinion on its face and down the rabbit hole I went.
>>79217974
So we need to show the voters that they are being lied to. How do we do that?
There are many tactics, but they all have the same overarching strategy. Take a specific policy that is being pushed by the MSM and show how it is detrimental to the voter's life. Make it personal, and show how it is an attack on them individual.
> DON'T RELY ON FACTS
> RELY ON EMOTIONAL RESPONSE
If you find yourself getting into an economic debate on the merits of unrestricted free trade... you're going to wind up losing the war 90% of the time. I don't care how good you think you are arguing numbers, the majority of voters will just end up pissed off.
You need to cut to the core. Point out that the factory they work out could be shut down because Mexicans will work for 4 dollars an hour. That will create an emotional response that will be impossible for the MSM to overcome. If you argue that point right, that voter will never support another "free trade" deal again.
> Fuck NAFTA, I can't compete with those Mexicans.
> This politician doesn't care about me, she cares about Mexico
or even better
> She cares about her Wall Street Donors
This is all it takes. Once you can prove to them that there is one thing that they are being lied to about, the whole house of cards starts tumbling down and they are forever out of reach of propaganda.
>>79219179
Well said. I think one issue is that its hard to change anyone's mind directly. It's easier done to a third party, collaterally.
1) You debate with A something that B has an emotional stake in (X)
2) B watches the argument
3) Freeze A with an ideological attack (you want to destroy X)
4) Ridicule them personally for wanting to destroy X
5) Point out how the media supports A's position
6) Frame yourself as having a common-sense alternative to save X that no moral, good person could be against
7) B now is starting to come around
For X, insert jobs, abortions, condoms, gay marriage...basically any issue and you'll see how it works.
>>79214004
I like to read up on hypnotism, sales, dating advice; they're all very similar. To convince someone of something, you have to be in their emotional state, and you have to take them to a new emotional state, one that's suggestible, and then make the suggestions, tell them what they want, and give them what they want.
The best way to convince someone of something, is if they suggest it first, and then repeat everything they say and add onto it. Keep doing that until they agree. If you EVER say the word "I agree BUT", they'll dismiss everything you agreed with them on and realize you're against them. Always pretend to be on their side no matter what.
If you believe in white nationalism, yet they don't, conversely you could say you believe in "Black nationalism". You could say "I believe blacks should have institutional power."
It's not about the content of what you're saying, it's about what you're saying fundamentally. As long as they agree with the precepts, then they'll agree with anything you say. You have to speak the liberal language to translate rightwing concepts; you can't just go in and say "But, niggers actually are statistically less intelligent", they won't give you the time of day.
One thing is very important, you have to be willing to believe that you're a unicorn fairy. I know that sounds weird, you can pick whatever fantasy creature you want to be. But pick something completely made up, and try with all your power to say "I am a golden leprechaun" The more you believe in something, the more the other person will believe it. This practice in confidence will make you more confident. You have to be absolutely confident in what you say, and NEVER react or lash out, never act defensive or apologetic. If someone says "Well that sounds racist", be confident, keep your chin up and say "My dream is that the world is more peaceful". And if they say "Well you don't have to be a fucking racist", say again "I just want peace".
>>79218637
although i agree with this tactic, i think it's dangerous to use it right off the bat
if you start defensive you show people that even though you have an opposing view you still have a basis for your opinions. this establishes that you're capable of thinking, have logic and/or the knowledge to back it up
also starting defensive shows that you aren't trigger happy. you wont just start firing away: you're cool, calm and collective.
showing that you're patient enough to find someone's weakest point, then strike reinforces you're strategic and tactical ability. at this point people are ready to be on your side but not quite yet.
THEN you go into full attack mode, claiming to be the righteous champion of the people
>>79219844
Them: You're a racist for wanting to stop illegal immigration!
You: You've sold out the American worker, you don't care about their jobs or their families. You are a cuck for selling out your own neighbors, you are basically a neighborhood snitch. It's laughable how pathetic it is that you are willing to sell out American families so that you can stroke your own ego and virtue signal to everyone how "non-racist" you are. And the media backs you up, because any time someone argues in favor of the American worker (Note: swap "close the border" with "argue for American worker" to make them synonymous), you and the media just call them racist. I say, we close the borders and start investing in our own people, because people here need jobs. You obviously don't agree because you are a cuck to Wall Street."
>>79220158
I like that. Kind of play rope-a-dope victim at first. Good idea.
>>79220154
Good suggestions.
It's all about arguing from "good" ideological principles that no "good" person could ever actually go against.
A good line when they state something is "Yeah, I completely agree, and..."
You're completely right about the "but" - it should not be used.
The trick is to set the ideological playing field yourself and control the narrative.
>>79218863
You need to make it more personal first, then twist the knife by using that emotion to rail against the propaganda machine.
Part One: Us vs Them
> "The president should be keeping Americans safe first. That should be his first priority. Why would you allow migrants into this country? They aren't all evil, but they are more likely to commit terrorist acts against our women and against our gay communities. It doesn't make sense..."
Part Two: Attack the Messenger
> "The media wants to let a dangerous group of people into this country simply because they want to feel good about themselves while they attend politically correct fundraisers for their political friends. They are putting their self esteem above the physical safety of their fellow citizens."
And that's it. Eventually the indisputable fact that Muslim Migrants are more dangerous than regular immigrants will eat away at that voters subconscious... and when they see the MSM attack "racists" they'll react badly, because they don't view themselves as racist.
Required reading
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/touching-the-raw-amygdala-part-i-foundational-understandings/
>>79221375
Good stuff I was looking for this.
Since everyone besides me here lacks a largesse of capital neatly satiated with 0's on the left side of the decimal place, I say thank you. Your platitudes against the leftist menace to my money are truly worthwhile. You're like the white landowners without slaves in the antebellum South! God bless your souls! You're willing to die for my money!
>>79222034
Nice try schlomo.
>>79214504
The IF IF IF IF IF IF gaffe was epic material for#13
>behold the true leader and master orator barrack Hussein Obama blowing a gasket after so much impotent rage
You can still spam it on kikebook, but if you did it the very same day it happened, it would have been devastating for the nigger, he would have been branded as dumb as dubya
Pic related
>>79218637
You're using too big of words for the silent majority.
>Keep it simple, stupid
Make your point in a short and simple to understand way.
>>79223079
True. What would you recommend?
That's the essence of memes - reducing and compacting large ideas into small pieces of information.
What do you suggest?
"That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you debate a Liberal, and lead a movement. The Liberal is the example waiting to be made, not an equal. The Liberal is deserving of nothing more than passing contempt."
>>79214004
What if we post on 4chan's stormfront containment board that was added in order to keep you faggots from posting about jews in all the other boards? Then we'll get them for sure!
I think special attention should also be paid to memeing and inflating our own sense of self importance even though no one actually cares about our opinions, as evidenced by the lack of them in mainstream thought.
Also, lets get super triggered about being called racists and xenophobes, but then regularly use words like Nigger and Spic and Kike in our personal speech.
>>79224435
Slide harder.
Quick! Lets play "who is a stupid hypocrite who doesn't even realize the depths of their stupidity or hypocrisy?"
I just got a beautiful new puppy named Hercules. pic related. I will kill and eat him if one of you can name a single member of your State Senate (not US Senate, your state's state senate) without googling it.
Because that's the thing. You pay so much attention to global politics and shit you have no control over, but I'd bet that 99% of you don't even know where or when you can vote in the local primaries happening this summer for governor/lieutenant governor/state senate/state rep.
And just so you know, those are the people that write the wonderful laws like stand your ground, or passed marriage equality legislation, etc. You're ignoring the people who write the rules of the road because the big shiny national campaign is more interesting even though it effects you wayyyy less.
>>79224944
This is some next-level sliding.
>>79225402
I don't post here often, what do you mean by slide?
>>79225676
>I don't post here often
Clearly :^)
