I don't get it, you don't want people to have access to righteous law?
Read up on communist regimes in the 20th century.
And the dangers of highly powerful unaccountable government
>>79212597
>why is it wrong to be governed by evil people
t. brazil
your country is shit now, imagine when you get even more gubmint programs
people are not ready to give up their 'identity', are patriotic and think these boarders who old dudes made up decades ago actually mean something.
Also, the fact there are different countries means people have to pay for trade etc, means there are different currencies.. Smart people makemoney from this situation. Some of those smart people with alot of wealth have political influence.
Anyway, untill a new Jesus arises, it wont happen.
>>79212597
The idea in itself is not necessarily "bad". The problem is always in the execution, if things continue to progress how they are now the only thing this will accomplish is consolidate power in the hands of the banks/corporations/rich/etc.
>>79212995
Shouldn't you be patrolling your streets against the muslim rapists? It's not like the cucks and genderqueers will do it.
>>79212597
>people in iceland have to adhere to same laws and standards as someone in chile
>>79212597
What the fuck does righteous law even means?
Besides, last time i checked you huemonkeys didn't trust your goverment very much.
Now you want a even more corrupt one on top of that?
I am very very scared about this possibility because none of you guys have REAL REASONS for this not to happen. Humanity will eventually need a consensus.
>>79213138
tfw you are right
>>79213433
At least we brazilians ourselves rape our own women not them. C'mon.
>>79212597
To give up our sovereignty is tantamount to be put under the bondage of slavery
Who are you to say that some bureaucrat is more suited to govern my people than someone who we elect?
Begone from here globalist!
>>79213586
kek
>>79212597
>"Why is one group of people claiming that they somehow have the right, knowledge, and capability to control the lives of everyone else through use of violence and threats of force bad?"
Hmmm, makes you think
>>79212597
Because people who live in wealthy, prosperous nations shouldn't have to waste their own resources on people who live in shitty, poor nations. If one world government became a thing, the west could pretty much kiss it's higher standard of living goodbye.
Honestly, I don't think many western people would stand for it once they realized 50% of their paycheck was subsidizing Wewuz and his 18 children in Nigeria.
>>79212597
A world government would in all likelihood be undemocratic, probably authoritarian with an illusion of democracy. They will be able to consolidate their power with no other factions to keep them in check. Once they have ultimate power they can decide that you are not going to reproduce, decide what your job will be, throw you in jail for wrongthink/wrongspeak far more easily. In all probability it would be a slave society where elites have total freedom and power over the slave class.
>>79212597
"No method of procedure has ever been devised by which liberty could be divorced from local self-government. No plan of centralization has ever been adopted which did not result in bureaucracy, tyranny, inflexibility, reaction, and decline. Of all forms of government, those administered by bureaus are about the least satisfactory to an enlightened and progressive people. Being irresponsible they become autocratic, and being autocratic they resist all development. Unless bureaucracy is constantly resisted it breaks down representative government and overwhelms democracy. It is the one element in our institutions that sets up the pretense of having authority over everybody and being responsible to nobody. "
But you all have been enslaved as soon as taxes were imposed.
Governments have been social engineering machines for too long now, this is just another step, you cannot reverse the process for too long right now anymore.
You are already controlled by the government on the amount of children you can have by their propaganda (many people do not notice this) and your schools/universities are telling people that this is a great new world and that they should be part of it.
All of these was made with your tax money and you did not do anything. Now we got United Nations judges being formed that are going to be "activists", you have no fucking idea on the shit we're in. This is not reversible.
>>79215050
Are you AnCap?
All societies must have contributions from people for certain communal functions to work.
>>79212597
Tell me one single thing that would be better under a world government, other than possibly fighting against alien invaders.
>>79215502
>This is not reversible
Get 20-30% or so of people to stop paying taxes and shoot politicians on site
problem solved
>>79215633
No and yes I know that. But you see, we pay taxes without the government doing what we want. We are slaves come on.
>>79215760
Does not work like that, you would also have to close most of the universities/media companies because they are the ones who form and conform people into this way of thinking. Politicians are the results, usually.
>>79215633
>"communal functions require work to be done"
>"therefore we NEED to use violence and threats of force in the form of a government (govern: control, ment: mental, mind) in order to get people to do the services that are supposedly so necessary for them to do in the first place that they would do anyway on their own
>t.statistcuck
>>79216045
yes education of people to make them stop being little statist cuckold bitches is important too but hitting the controllers in the wallet and head will hurt them to start
>>79215812
I know not who you are behind your proxy, But I know that your arguments will not convince anyone here to your way of thinking
We ask not for your council nor your arms, begone from here and may your chains weigh heavily upon you
>>79216362
I hate big government.
But any human society of any size will 'tax' you in one way or another.
Whether using your time or labour to help out or taking a monetary contribution.
>>79216544
You sucker really think you are free don't you?
Guys like you will exist even under a global government and will whine non-stop.
I also hate big government, but it is already here.
>>79215050
>Taxation is slavery
>I want one big world goverment
Guess how they're going to prop up the third world countries? That wealth's not gonna come out of thin air, y'know?
>>79217389
They will most likely take from the first world countries to give to the third world countries, making everyone poor by the end of the day.
>>79217625
Well, there's your argument against one world government.
>>79212597
Because the Bible says when that happens, the end of the world will follow my black friend.
>>79212597
Imagine the shithole that is your current country, full of brown people, lots of drugs to keep the masses happy. But there is one problem. At the top is someone like stalin. And where stalin is, there is gulag. And with gulag, you help to keep the socialist system alive.
The one world government will destroy everything. All cultures, languages, religions, currencies, races..... except one.... aaand possibly the jews have their fucking save haven somewhere.
What is important is that you people realize that this feeling we get when our borders collapse could be felt in smaller scale when we were tribalists right?
>>79217668
Since when does one being right changes anything? I know it is a bad thing but I don't see any way to stop that with the arguments we have been giving.
>>79217806
Yes, I'm a Christian and I believe this is exactly what is going to happen.
>>79217811
I've been to Berlim and that is not Germany my friend, wake up it is already there.
>>79212597
Do you see the idiot running our country right now? They are the exactly type of person who wants a one world government. How does that sound to you?
>>79218063
It sounds very bad but you just have to check out every single fucking university.
How the hell are we supposed to stop it when it's gone so far and cultures are not strong anymore?
>>79213112
you were doing so well until the last line
>>79216795
voluntarily helping out with a communal function like sewer treatment plants, roads, police, etc. and getting voluntarily and properly reimbursed for your services is not a tax
being metaphorically forced at gunpoint to pay for a service that you may or may not want and that may or may not be done properly because the person supposed to do the job knows he can rely on the subsidy of force and taxes regardless of if he does his job right and not the voluntary approval and spending of others for doing a good job is immoral
>>79217871
I'm not a Christian, and I believe it's going to happen.
The corruption of a world-government will be mind blowing.
>>79212597
what if a cunt rises to power?
they'll have control of the entire world, the people would have nowhere left to run
>>79218198
By doing the same thing they did to get so many influence, slowly red-pilling people one by one and infiltrating then in each sector of our society, until we can finally reclain controll. It took then more then 60 years to get were they are now, so it will take another 60 years to take the power from then. Its slow, its hard, but by God, someone has to do it.
>>79217871
>Giving in to defeatism
C'mon Brazil, show some of that fighting spirit you always have regarding football.
It all comes down to what kind of government it will be. Will it be totalitarian, will it be minimalist, will it be a technocracy or a monarchy? If it's a democracy will it be representative or direct? Will the constitution include a clause regarding the prevention of oligarchy?
Also, "We will need to pay for the entire Third World" is a very strong argument to anyone who makes money. The only people I've seen advocating no borders are starry-eyed leftist college kids/women who still think communism is a good idea.
>>79218695
Exactly, a world without border is a world destined to collapse. And or course that the government will be totalitarian, they are already trying to implement the OWG using totalitarian tatics.
>>79218291
Using your own time and reducing your economic potential may as well be a tax. Time is money.
Paying for the general upkeep of things in the community/nation is always in your interest even if you don't use them, there may be an emergency where the use of that service/road ect will save your life. Also upkeep of roads and services is beneficial to other peoples economic and social wellbeing and thus is likely to benefit you indirectly if not directly.
Ideally this would be a good thing, all working together as a team towards common goals, not fighting amongst each other. But practically it is quite difficult to achieve. Right now it is anyway.
The event that will bring us all together as a species though, I believe, is the day we find other life in the universe. That will change the psyche of the human species. Any life at all. It will go a long way towards this kind of ideal.
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>>79218315
Everyone is saying how 1 world gov is bad but we all know it is impossible to stop by 2020.
>Implying we already are not ruled by a one world government
>not knowing we are governed by the same people
Gee guys
World government is a great idea... if you live in a shithole like Brazil. If you have a decent standard of living and enjoy relative security; why risk losing those accomplishments by being mushed together with other people who never managed those same feats?
(BTW, nothing against Brazillian people, even the darkest you've got. It's the crime and corruption that I've got an issue with)
>>79212597
They do not have to compete with other govs so can be as shit as they like.
If the gov is shit, where do you go?
Not everyone is suited to the same kind of system either
>>79212597
The further a government gets away from its people, the less likely it is to represent those people.
Things are very bad here, every major TV channel has cultural marxism 24/7, this is just insane and too much to handle.
>>79219491
I am a pretty wealthy brazilian that can dedicate most of my time to study what needs to be studied to try to stop this shit.
It just is so hard..
I wouldn't call crime and corruption the worst problems, they're reflexes of the moral degradation of the society and the bad cultural influence of Brazil.
Today US was dealt another blow with the 3 AMIGOS speech.
Things are really really bad, do not pretend like the U.S is the bastion of freedom it once us because you guys are also pretty fucked.
>>79219670
Wouldn't it then place sub-governments like for example the state South America?
>>79218251
Prove me wrong.
And listnen to your dreams.
>>79212597
(((JEWS)))
>>79212597
We don't have the means right now to make it feasible, because as many other anons said, a government of such magnitude would have to be virtually incorruptible, and every political model to the date has proven to be corruptible.
In a distant future, maybe.
>>79219018
Why do you think Brexit happened? The EU (which I would currently consider the closest candidate for attempting totalitarian OWG), has been rejected by Britain and is now becoming rickety. Rich countries have to pay for poor countries that lag behind, and there is growing unrest and emnity of citizens regarding the EU.
The only way the EU could maintain that level of power is if it starts using Orwellian tactics, and if the EU started acting like North Korea, people aren't just going to take that lying down.
The latin-american union (Foro de São Paulo) has been tried and has been failing, I just don't know how long it will be failling, even our former government (Workers Party) joined the BRICS to try to balance power throughout the world but South Africa/India/China/Russia are countries that lack creativity and imagination to do anything relevant in the cultural areas.
The U.S has been declining in culture and morality, is just going downhill to a Brazil like level it is unbelievable.
>>79212597
What is relevant in one part of the world isn't relevant in the other.
Look at gay people.
Many people feel strongly against it, many people feel they should be able to do as they please.
Pick one
Or at women, some countries feel they should cover themselves up and some feel like they should be able to have their tits out in the street.
Pick one.
PS. Ok that last one is pretty easy but you get my point.
>>79214665
>No method of procedure has ever been devised by which liberty could be divorced from local self-government.
This. The further the government gets from you, the less it shares the interests of any individual population.
A one-world government must either be essentially governing nothing or excessively authoritarian.(See EU banning teapots)
>>79220242
Oh like gayzism/feminism/socialism/genderqueerism and other crazy shit?
Like David Cameron saying he supports gay marriage BECAUSE he is a conservative.
C'mon we're already in an Orwellian novel.
>>79212597
because its a fucking feudal system you homologous piece of shit. Go comb the gutter for scraps and leave sound decision to people with an education and a roof over their head
>>79212597
Alternatives are a good thing.
If your home country ends up going to shit, then you can make attempts to move to another one. If the entire world was governed by one body, then there would be nowhere to run in such an event.
>>79212597
Because not everyone in the world wants the same things.
Democracy of such a scale requires to many compromises making nobody happy
>>79212597
They want to depopulate the planet because one government ruling over 7 billion people is impossible
>>79220498
You are not an educated person anon.
Brazil is a great place for at least 60% of the population. w/e does not matter if you like us or not, you guys keep getting niggerized while talking shit about other people's country.
>>79220505
Yes I agree but I just don't see your argument gaining strength in the real world.
Brexit was an exception for the rule altough I don't think much will be changed nor I think they will be able to "clean up the trash".
>>79220894
Yes I guess so. They've been doing this through abortion/gayzism/etc, this is so fucking obvious.
One Government would be the same as one big mega corporation owning a monopoly on everything. How can you not see this? People have such a vast array of beliefs and cultures it would never work we aren't insects like they think and want us to be.
>>79212597
I hope you die you globalist faggot
>>79212597
What is the un for, its to align our democracies needs, why do you think a global democracy will be more effective (and do you think a goverment with supreme authority needs democracy?)
>>79220448
>Oh like gayzism/feminism/socialism/genderqueerism and other crazy shit?
I suppose you're not noticing the pushback against the nonsense coming from the regressives? Homosexuals are complaining about the faggots at Gay Pride parades, women are complaining about the feminists, anyone with a brain is complaining against the socialists, and genderqueerism isn't even a thing people think about.
>Like David Cameron saying he supports gay marriage BECAUSE he is a conservative.
David Cameron is a progressive conservative, yes there are different flavors. Need I also remind you that he went full europhile despite claiming to be "Euro-skeptic"?
Also, faggots being allowed to do something everyone else has always been allowed to do is not an Orwellian nightmare.
>>79221144
you're a fucking jungle beaner
>>79221440
sick burn brah
>>79212597
A single world government is only operable through conquest. Insidious means (read: Communism) just end up collapsing on themselves in the end.
>>79212597
Because we are all different. Becoming one united world would end diversity and traditional belief. Our history makes us all unique and we need to be proud of our heritage. When the world becomes one that's when we lose everything.
because DONT FUCKING FIX SHIT THAT ISNT BROKEN
>>79213398
It would represent absolutely unchecked lower. Currently, even if your nation is fucking you over you can pull a Snowden or Assange and bolt to another one. With one government, you have no defense and no recourse, you're totally fucked.
Also, given the importance of international trade, you'd probably have a severely fucked up economy that would push inequality to even greater heights than it is now.
>>79212597
That is insane mate.
>chinese millitary to subvert the people in america
>american millitary to subvert people in japan or china
>so they all have to listen to the on regulated world government
it won't work if the whole world doesn't share the same annual income and have literally the same economical stance.
And that is literally impossible because of the differences in cultures.
ANd if you are going to destroy the cultures you are doing more harm to humanity than doing good.
Globalised economical stances are fine. But more than that is dictatorship.
>>79221933
The world seems pretty broken to me. 7+ billion people and rapidly (very rapidly) increasing daily. Catastrophic climate change. Most people living in poverty. 90% of the world's wealth in the hands of the top 0.1%
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>>79222473
To be fair the distribution of wealth has always been unequal.
>>79222473
like globalization is going to fix any of these things
>>79222473
maybe because we are subsidizing those shitholes. they should be re-colonized and kept under control. how the fuck is a world government going to stop the 0.1% from owning most of the worlds wealth?
think for a moment
>>79212597
Kill yourself, idiot.
>>79212597
>Africa exists
>Islam exists
That's pretty much it right there.
If there was no such thing as 'blacks' and 'muslims', then I would probably be okay with it.
>>79212597
Mostly because it will be run by jews
One world government won't be possible until you destroy all sense of unity and identity (national and ethnic) therefore creating rootlessness people, "world-people". It is a higher tier form of civilization we are not prepared to face yet, that's the main problem and where (their) trickery lies around.
It isn't necessary bad or evil, and if we don't exterminate each other in the process it'll probably happen in a very distant future... but calling for it now it's just idiotic and unnatural with the actual state of affairs of the common people in this good earth. Artifical sociological progress is like trying to fit an unmatching puzzle piece.
>>79212597
Whose people?
>>79223908
this mindset is why europeans are cucks. you cant see the inherent inefficiency and moral corruption of non-local government you only recently are getting it back with the EU and anyone who knew how bad the roman empire was left to create america.
>>79212597
Do you want to be the one hosting t he hundreds of millions of niggers and arabs who aren't potty trained?
>>79212597
The Earth Federation is corrupt! Their souls are being weighed down by Earth's gravity.
>>79212597
One world government isn't bad per se. Eventual global unification is more or less inevitable.
The problem is that there are two ways to go about it:
>Global unification via treaty, mutual understanding, and peaceful resolution of differences
>Global unification via deception, brainwashing the masses, and undermining national sovereignty
Guess which one is significantly faster and cheaper?
>>79224897
>faster
defiitely
>cheaper?
I have my doubts of that.
>>79224424
>inherent inefficiency
I disagree. Both organic and artificial systems seems to require of a strong/big/up-down/piramidal hierarchic structure to better manage their correspondent endeavours and interrelationships, meaning having someone to intermediate to and that leaves me to your next point.
>moral corruption
I agree with you here but are you hating the player or the game? I get that without the latter you don't have the first but that shouldn't be your excuse to refute this type of "organization" so to speak.
What feats have been achieved under your chpset of libertarian/local management of the people? They simply don't survive. We are bound to cooperate to increase our potential.
>>79225362
Conflict is big business, they can easily recoup the costs.
>>79224897
Agreed.
>>79225903
do you know the difference between the united states as it exists and how it existed before the 17th amendment? when you have someone in control of such vast areas you lose any sense of community and personalization that would lead to make good decisions, and consolidating that power to one person or body then it becomes much more susceptible to corruption. a one world government will be impersonal and issue blanket laws that aren't good for everyone and wont allow for the discretion or accountability that comes with a smaller more localized government. These things are inherent to a large government and is the founding basis of the united states, only after the US allowed itself to become so large with the 17th amendment do you see the kind of impersonality that leads to the current wave of globalists and the kinds of laws they create that hurt the average business owner and grow the class divide
Why should I care about other countrys righteous laws?
Cant be helped if they cant get right.
>>79219362
>we all know it is impossible to stop by 2020.
>brexit intensifies
>>79226987
I get what you're trying to say but I disagree on something. You are basing your argument on the loss of local community sense by those who are in charge; that is to say, dehumanization of the ruling class. It's just natural, following your logic, that the president of the United States doesn't have a clue on what is the best labor deal among the lumber workers of some god-knows-where village. Agreed.
That occurs because you are exemplifying current type of government just on a global scale, with it's inherent problems of a descendant chain of command. I know it sounds meme-y but that type of ldecissions have to made from the bottom-up to work, but with that I'm not implying that a bigger network is required.
I hope I can get my point across, I'm a lil tired and I feel like I'm typing gibberish.
There can only be a global government with a global dictatorship.
>>79228397
*...isn't required.
>>79228397
if there isnt a descendant chain of command how can you call it a government at all, and what would the point even be
>>79212597
Fixing the most fucked up areas would be extremely expensive.
Also, it would collapse in less than 10 years
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>>79230621
Well that's the key point, innit? What we strive for after all.
The ruling class shouldn't be in their special positions just to rule over us -as best they can/think-, or to serve us -as they want us tho think in this beatiful democracy of ours-; we need to serve ourselves. Not through this artifical inorganic type of politics, that's for sure.
Who have the right answer? Who knows... I guess the one who proves his the most "effective". If you are asking for my personal opinion on this, I firmly believe in a somewhat revisionist type of falangism. Up-to-date short of.
I agree on an organic democracy, not on universal suffrage, and it's extend on national-syndicalism and corporativism.
