Saw this on TV and thought you would find it interesting.
Context: jewelers who received numerous robberies by armed men over the years, with the jeweler's mother dying to one and 7-year old son getting beaten by robbers. Jeweler shoots back at one of the criminals and lets the wounded man get away.
Jeweler's firearms licence is not renewed as he's not considered "at risk"
This is my translation of what this journalist had to say:
>"The society where the self-defense model is most common is the USA, and the result? Much more crimes, robberies and murders, weapons circulate freely and are in no way a tool for the defense of society but bring an infinitely higher number crimes, robberies and murders, therefore this is not a model [to follow]"
>"We needn't give the wrong message 'everyone buy a gun', it's an crazy message which brought countries where this is common such as the USA where a law proposed by the US president to limit gun sales was rejected because there's a "Rifles Asssociation", a gun lobby to reject all laws that try to affect use of guns in the US. What's the result? All the mass killings that we journalists write about every other month"
>>79190834
Not surprising, as far as i know there has never been a real debate where gun rights could be defended
>>79190834
Retarded and uninformed like all journalists
>>79193012
>gun rights are literally defended by people with guns
>how are you going to take away guns? With police (mercenaries) WITH MORE GUNS?
>>79190834
>Much more crimes, robberies and murders
lol
No.
Christ yuros are fucking retarded.
>>79195082
It's not about defending your gun rights with guns, it's about journalists telling lies about guns for so long that the average person is strongly against gun ownership
>>79190834
>America has 320 million people versus the 60 million or so that's the average across western Europe
>A country of 320 million people has more overall violent crimes than a country of 60 million people
>These means that America is more violent despite the per capita violent crime rate being the same
Apparently, math is really fucking difficult for the average person.
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>>79195256
I don't think the journalist was talking in general numbers, but stats like this.
A more accurate translation may be "crimes robberies and murders happen much more frequently"
>>79196451
Great.
Now show overall violent crime, not just gun murders
>>79196451
Well, specifically looking a gun murders would be very dumb if he wanted to know about crimes, robberies, and murders. This is disinformation. Who cares, in the end, if you are stabbed or shot?
>>79196451
Like 85% of that is niggers shooting niggers over sneakers.
The average American is more likely to be struck by lightning twice than shot once.
>>79190834
Spell it with me.
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>>79197223
>>79197283
>>79197448
I know I'm just pointing out why they think the USA has a gun problem. Maybe my translation gave the wrong idea.
Comparing our country to USA is retarded. why not Switzerland?
>>79196451
2.3 yuro gun deaths in that pic with like 6 countries
>>79197824
Can't compare other countries with American. Too many differences. Switzerland? How many nigs live there?
>>79196451
Yeah, but how many of those motherfuckers deserved it?
>>79198207
There's a reason most countries abolished death penalty. No matter how severe their crimes you can't take another man's life.
>>79198353
That's just your opinion
>>79198353
fuck that and fuck you
>>79198353
Except criminals, they have the right to take away the lives of others.
>>79198857
That's a fact. Killing another human for any reason is against the law in most of the first world. Not my opinion. My opinion is different
>>79199085
>Killing another human for any reason is against the law in most of garbagetown where the trashpeople live
ftfy
>>79199085
You said "There's a reason most countries abolished death penalty", that's an opinion not a fact... the fact that our law and constitution agrees with your opinion doesn't make it a fact
>>79199030
>>79199030
>Except criminals, they have the right to take away the lives of others.
No they don't have the right, that's why they are in jail.
>>79190834
WOW A COUNTRY FULL OF NIGGERS WILL HAVE HIGH CRIME?
WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGH
>>79198857
I just think its hipocritical
Government:"You killed a person? Thats horrible!! The worst thing you can do, now let me punish you with death.. its totally differeny I know best!"
>>79197824
The US doesn't have a gun problem you dumb wop.
>>79199315
heymexico
whats your conviction rate
>>79198094
>Switzerland? How many nigs live there?
I don't know, couldn't find any stats on it
http://www.about.ch/statistics/index.html
this isn't specific
>>79199315
>No they don't have the right, that's why they are in jail.
not here
in the story in the OP it was said that only one man out of 13 robbers (7 women 6 men) ever entered jail and soon got out and threatened the jewelers who ironically can't even own a gun now
>>79199343
That's because our government believes in rehab rather than punishment... i disagree because i don't think a murderer can be rehabilitated
>>79198353
>>79199343
Eye for an eye.
>>79199315
>criminals
>in jail
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>>79193012
The opposite is true. Nobody has ever made a legitimate case for the disarmament of the people that does not predicate entirely on their feelings or appeals to safety.
>B-BUT IT'D BE SAFER
We could save five times as many lives by banning swimming pools. We could save ten times as many people from injury by banning cars. We could save a hundred times as many people by outlawing tobacco or alcohol.
You don't care about safety, you're just afraid of guns because you've been conditioned to be afraid of them. I live in the country with the most firearms on Earth, both in hard numbers and as a percentage of the population. We've seen plummeting homicide rates ever since the 1980s, yet we haven't given up our guns at all.
If things stay on track this country will be safer than Europe and ten times as well armed in a few decades. Guns don't cause crime, niggers and socioeconomic strife do.
>>79198353
Unless you do. Then it's no longer up to the deceased to decide what's right or wrong.
Life is not a videogame, you cannot flame me from the grave. Once you're dead, your morals are dead.
>>79200004
It's funny because many left wing idiots only want to treat the symptoms of violence by banning guns, without finding the cause for gun violence.
>>79198353
Why not? The government is allowed to steal from you and it's allowed to spy on you, and it's allowed to detain you and it's allowed to take your children from you.
And suddenly you're horrified at the notion that the government also kills people? Be consistent. Either crimes become immoral when the government commits them or they don't, but you can't pick and choose which you think are okay for the State to commit.
>>79200004
>Nobody has ever made a legitimate case for the disarmament of the people that does not predicate entirely on their feelings or appeals to safety.
What i meant is that we don't have a politician or journalist that's pro guns so every time the topic comes up in some political debate on television it's always a bunch of idiots circlejerking over feelings, made up stats and lies with no one to oppose them, they could say that gun ownership causes cancer and it would go unchallenged because everyone in the studio would be against guns
>>79200333
This is true. Very irritating to watch people on talk shows "debate" when they all clearly agree with each other, and then the audience gives a round of applause.
>>79190834
And countries like Mexico that have banned gun are so safe right? UK and Australia which highly limits guns have skyrocketing VIOLENT CRIME because criminals knows they don't have guns so they don't even need a gun to rob. Stabbings crimes go up, robberies go up, just surrounding someone with 3 nigs and they can threaten to beat the victim into a coma is enough for them to give up everything they have.
Wasn't Paris theatre shooting a gun free zone? Wasn't the Orlando club a gun free zone? San Bernardino shooting at work was a gun free zone.
>>79190834
We, the US, don't give a flying fuck what you or any noodle sucking journalist thinks about anything we do. Capiche?
>>79200314
You can recover from all those, but not death.
>>79200700
Capisce, ignorant prick.
>>79200631
>>79200004
I never see these points on tv, or by politicians here in general, when gun control is being discussed, anyone has an idea for the reason?
>>79201117
You're europeans, addicted to socialism and devoid of reason.
>>79190834
These kind of arguments are pointless in italy, to begin with we already have strict guns regulations in place, unless you're in a police force you're going to have to jump a lot of hops to get a simple gun and even then that's a licence of ownership and not use, wich is why this guy didn't get his licence renewed.
Almost all of our gun crimes are either caused by criminals with illegal weapons or people serving in the army/police.
>>79190834
it strikes me ass odd that humans dont simply stand up for their right to exist
>>79196451
>shut it down
>>79190834
We have gun violence because of niggers.
This "journalist" should look at the ethnic breakdown stats of gun-related crimes.
...but then he'd actually have to be doing his job.
>>79202287
This only makes the case stronger for modern Europe.
>>79202665
How so?
>>79190834
Honestly, guns are retarded. I like shooting guns, but get over it, you only create more bullshit with guns and more deaths.
Go ahead and make guns legal, but make them hard to get. Let third-world countries like the United States keep them for their own population control. I say give more guns to China and India as well.
There's a reason why you don't hear about mass shootings in Italy or Canada. The last time a gunman went crazy in Canada was in October of 2014. What did he use to carry out his rampage? A fucking Winchester 94, WHICH WAS MANUFACTURED IN 1894!
Yeah, it's fucking sad that a man died, but the total fatalities were fucking 2, 1 of who was the gunman killed by this Maple Sucking Killer right here in my picture.
Yeah, so let third-worlders like the Americans have guns, but if you're a smart civilised country, don't allow guns to be bought willy-nilly.
>>79197824
You're not wrong, but it's either intentionally misleading, or else criminally negligent.
It's like outlawing marriage to reduce spousal abuse. No spouse, no abuse. We're fighting crime!
>>79199085
>There's a reason most countries abolished death penalty, because you can't take another man's life
>because it's against the law
>>79204529
>third world
>>79196451
niggers.
not even once
>>79190834
>was rejected because there's a "Rifles Asssociation", a gun lobby
Why the fuck do leftist assclowns think this?
They all mindlessly think this when it is not at all true.
>>79195256
They claim to be so fucking educated but this is the type of retarded shit they believe.
>>79204529
>syruptard doesn't even know what third world means
>>79204529
>>79207361
Yes, I understand that the whole "First-World", "Second-World" and "Third-World" distinctions are gone, after the collapse of the Soviet/Communist block and it was more accurate to use "Develop" and "Developing" countries, but I'm trying to use phrase that idiots like you can use.
Check out this video on how to get through to morons like yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMliNd2b2K0
I use words that people at your level can understand.
>>79197824
The quote in OP specifically said crimes, robberies and murders. I'll grant you murders, but not other violent crime.
[graph from http://www.germanjoys.eu/2015/10/violent-crime-is-more-common-in-europe-than-the-usa.html, with a link to the underlying study (paywalled)]
>>79190834
its not true, violent crime is probably higher per capita in Italy than in the US (minus the niggers).
There's actually more people that defend themselves every year (10x as many) than gun related homicides.
look at this chart, when a citizen uses a gun in self defense, only 1% of those times is someone actually killed. now look at the unjustified homocides. On every single metric it is far and away better to be armed in any situation than not.
>>79204529
take into consideration the amount of non-violent ethnic groups in Canada, Native Americans, Asians, Whites and compare that with America's hyper violent groups like Niggers and Spics.
not to mention our Native American populations are almost spic tier, they commit far more crime per their own capita populations than in Canada.
And yet, while Canada theoretically should have far lower overall violent / aggrevated crime by a 30-1 margin, its actually astonishing how much crime is comitted in Canada compared to the United States. its more like a 4-1 ratio.
>>79213761
Well, I'm a Sikh, which is in the Asian category and we commit the least fucking crime and make the most amount of money in these two countries.
It's you filthy fucking white welfare sucking scum that don't even graduate and take MY tax dollars and commit robberies and rapes.
So, honestly, you need to lump yourself into the violent groups, along with niggers and spics.
Honestly, fuck white people, niggers and spics and Muslims.
The world would be a paradise if you weren't here.
>>79215977
>by race of victims
No correlation between gun ownership and crime.
Crime in the US is going down
Poor Italy, your region peaked 2000 years before your country even existed. Now you're all just tourists for an old society you had no part in making.
>>79190834
But what does it have to do with Jews?
>>79190834
Just shows you how history affects culture.
Americans are citizens.
Euros are subjects.
>>79190834
is there video of it opie?
>>79190834
They know as much about our life style as we do theirs.
>>79190834
this makes me want to get a gun license, just out of spite, I don't even have money to buy a gun but I want the license anyway.
>>79190834
>"The society where the self-defense model is most common is the USA, and the result? Much more crimes, robberies and murders, weapons circulate freely and are in no way a tool for the defense of society but bring an infinitely higher number crimes, robberies and murders, therefore this is not a model [to follow]"
Except that as guns become more common in the United States, crime decreases overall.
Whereas in Sweden, Germany, Greece, and the UK (to name a few), crime has been increasing.
>>79221149
low caliber revolvers are cheap or should be.
I'm going to admit something you won't hear many gun owners admit: the free and widespread access to firearms in the US significantly increases crimes involving firearms. If guns were harder to get, a lot less black people would be shooting other black people over youtube raps and drug corners and who called who's mama a crackwhore.
Thing is, my 110 pound wife is as capable of fighting off an intruder or mugger as I am because controlled expansion of 180 grains trucking along at just under 1400 fps is going to lead to a catastrophic drop in blood pressure. I could give a shit of gang bangers kill each other over gang banger shit, I have a right to defend myself. My wife has a right to defend herself. I'd rather shoot a man in the chest than have my 220 pound Cane Corso euthanized because it killed an aggressor in Chicago. Anyone who has a problem with that is cordially invited to swallow my entire dick.
>>79220871
Yeah, it's in Italian language though, and it may not work outside of italy.
http://www.rai.tv/dl/RaiTV/programmi/media/ContentItem-5d0a92f2-28ce-46fc-9049-61ebefeb6c75.html
starts at around 2:38:00
>>79220964
According to wikipedia the journalist lived in the USA for years, he's also editor in chief of his newspaper and works with foreign affairs
>>79193012
Everything the journalist said wasn't true.
>>79196451
>gun murders
A more accurate statement would be "crimes with guns happen more often" Not crimes in general.
