What is the correct way to debate a leftist?
>>79187132
laugh
>>79187325
This.
You don't
But if you must, don't offer anything yourself and ridicule them
On the off chance you find one who isn't a total retard, I'd say 1/100, it's likely the individual hasn't been presented the opposing argument and you can have a decent discussion
You're likely retarded anyway though OP, sucker of dicks
let them spew their bullshit.
then go out and vote.
>>79187132
With a gun.
Let them kill you and you win.
>>79187802
This. Just berate them. DO NOT try to use logic, you're pissing in the wind
>>79187802
I have debated 8 leftists so far and every one of them has called me a racist or something similar.
Every one of them is literally using it to shut down the conversation.
I'm seriously getting fucking mad at these people I just want to hit them at the end of it.
I am center left debate me
you don't debate or argue you just have a politically minded conversation and point out subtle things that make them question their ideology
>>79187132
With violence. You can't reason with them.
>>79187960
You gave them something, it's your own fault
Don't out forth any positions of your own, just act like a dick head and ridicule their positions
You won't change their mind, but if there's an audience you could change there's
It's why I debate people here. I know the person I reply to is a fuckwit cunt, but the lurkers might be influenced
Logic doesn't work with them because their ideology requires the lack of it. Even some on the right are this way
>>79188214
Google "enlightened middleman fallacy"
That's you
>>79188394
How deep are you trying to go
>>79187802
this.
I've shown them their logical fallacies. I've proved them moving the goalposts and their ad hominem attacks. They just ignore it ("Why are people saying that ad hominem arguments are bad?") You can't debate someone, who ignores facts.
You can't catch water with a colander, you can't debate with someone who resorts only to cheap rhetoric.
I'm a leftist. Debate me.
Bonus points if you don't throw insults.
>>79188620
My mistake
"Middle ground" fallacy
>>79187132
repeat "not an argument" until they present you with an argument because I can guarantee they have yet to actually present you with an argument
>>79188620
lel
>>79188717
The thing is that they aren't resorting to it, it's just all they know and they th in no its legitimate argument, or an adequate substitute.
What people have to realize about leftists is that they don't even understand the other side of the argument, and there's polls that show this
Ask questions.
>>79188787
Why can't you throw insults and debate at the same time. This is what separates faggots and men.
>>79188802
>tfw you are a fucking white male
>>79188802
Would that actually work though?
I seriously think ill do this.
At the very least it could deflect their "RACIST" shit right?
>>79187132
shirtless of course
The shameless display of male body privilege triggers them something awful.
>>79189075
throwing insults is just what ignoramouses do when they can't debate with facts.
I don't think i'm more important than anyone else.
I don't hate any group of people.
I care about human rights and the environment.
There is literally no reason for me to be right wing.
>>79187132
they don't listen to facts or common sense so just ridicule them and laugh at them, the aim of the game is to upset them so much they storm off in anger
>>79188793
If you can't make compromises with your beliefs you can only live in a society with extreme polarization. It's the same reason there no such thing as a perfect Catholic because everyone is a sinner.
>>79189104
I mean, when they present you with rhetoric and insults without actually having an argument, what are you supposed to respond to?
You aren't actually engaging in debate, you're just calling each other names and using talking points.
"If you just want to spew rhetoric then there's nothing more for us to discuss but if you have an actual, well-formed argument then let me here it"
>>79189221
>all those false premises
Definitely a leftist
>>79189469
hear*
>>79188276
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ups4FeSuHvY
>>79189469
>>79189104
>>79189295
seriously, debate me. i wont use buzzwords if you don't either.
>>79188276
>change there's
theirs**
maybe you can't debate leftists properly because you can't even fucking spell, you fucking moron.
>>79189221
Cuck.
Did you vote remain too? Good God.
>>79189221
Do you think that all white males including you are racists?
If not then you are on the right.
>>79187132
About 100%, if a leftist is challenged with views about race or gender that aren't quite up to their cucked standard then they will accuse the person of being racist/sexist/ignorant.
The obvious thing to do would be to argue how you're not racist/sexist/ignorant but that's exactly what they want you to do in order to derail the argument. Instead, say something like "I don't care if you think I'm racist, the facts speak alone."
At this point, they're probably done since they never have any justification for their beliefs rather than "if you don't think like this you're racist and that's bad"
>>79189295
This is my tactic. You stay logical enough to not lose your footing and so anyone looking inward sees that the other person is insane and just hack away. Their emotions are their greatest weakness.
>>79189221
>there is literally no reason for me to be right wing
there isn't unless you hate freedom, hate logic and think that the government can run the economy better than private citizens mutually agreeing on contracts
>>79189662
no, i voted leave because the EU is a corrupt organisation and they impose juristiction when they have no right.
jesus fucking Christ Stefan put a shirt on there are kids here and I doubt they want to debate you
>>79189298
>compromise
The quintessential middle ground cuck buzzword
Either your beliefs are correct or they aren't.
>catholic analogy
Really terrible analogy there. As if catholics believe they can be perfect and that compromise is a thing
>>79189758
Good, Lord KEK likes you.
Succ
>>79189682
I do not. The people that do are idiotic new wave feminist dirtbags who were probably brought up by single mothers who cuddled them too much
>>79187413
This and not be white. I'm more serious with debates when it comes to left blacks though most of the time I just laugh and their tactics against them.
>>79189661
Heh, heh.
I almost had to admit my argument wasn't very good but looks like you made a typo heh better luck next time pal looks like I win again.
Heh.
On topic: don't debate leftists. Ridicule them.
Honest Man: "I don't think that's a good idea"
Liberal: "Everyone knows that's a bad idea"
See the difference?
>>79189890
s u c c
>>79189661
I'm on a phone shitposting during my wages lave lunchbreak
Here's *you're* (you)
>>79187939
Yeah if you use logic you are probably a leftist so you shouldn't argue
>>79189911
Meant for>>79187325 as well
>>79187132
Wipe that smug grin off your face, and tell him how offended you are by his remark whenever he calls you racist for having stance on obviously unrelated matter.
>>79187960
So call them a paedophile in return. Make them be the one who has to protect their identity from false claims
>>79189758
What is your opinion on muzzies and shitskin filth?
(child rape gangs, gen mutilations sowing up vaginas and such)
>>79187132
What is the correct way to debate a /pol/tard?
>>79190005
SUGG
>>79187132
lately i've been calling them hate filled bigot nazi racist sexist pedophile murderer genocidal fascists stormtrooper cowards.
>>79187132
a firm steel toed boot to the ass, then as many kicks in the head as it takes until they finally stop moving
>>79190155
The opposition isn't human to them, so showing offense won't work if you're a white male
>>79190215
Islam is a backwards religion. But i would rather assimilate them into western culture than just deport them or kill them.
>>79190225
this is a nice picture, mind if I succ it?
>>79189964
>typo
>I typed there's but I meant theirs
that's not a typo you inbred toothless faggot; it's a misunderstanding of the English language, something I would imagine you would be familiar with.
>>79190060
Ever heard of proofreading? Yet another reason why you lose in a debate to leftist using logic and reason.
>>79190283
It will work on spectators.
>>79190235
Wew, that showed them. Nicely done.
>>79189857
If you can't compromise with people you can't get anything done. If you are in a relationship you compromise. If you are in a negotiation you compromise. If you live in a society you compromise your values for the greater good of the society. How is this a buzz word.
Does any world leader not compromise on their beliefs and last while benefiting their country? I can maybe name one or two hyper authoritarians who have. Think of Singapore, it's basically a fucking paradise island sticking to its own beliefs under the leadership of a father and son. They have a top tier economy, education system, and they are multicultural as fuck. They still have to make compromises to the opposing party who has been gaining ground for political stability.
>>79190220
Trumpfags have been pretty successful by just using:
>reaction faces
>meme responses
>shill
No argument necessary
>>79187132
They like to debate shotgun-style. They'll throw a talking point at you, and if you refute it they'll just throw their next talking point at you while pretending like you didn't btfo their previous argument.
I like to wait until they've done this a few times, then throw a molymeme and ask why they're avoiding making a coherent argument. When they respond that they have, I start demanding rebuttals for the last 5 or 6 counterpoints they ignored. Then they usually just shut up and stop talking.
Don't know if I'm changing any minds this way, but it consistently btfo's them. It actually is even more effective if more than one person at a time is flinging shit at you and hoping it sticks
When debating anyone the first one to get mad is the loser.
>>79187132
>What is the correct way to debate a leftist?
Be so polite and positive and cordial that they are reduced to tears, if not in front of you, later on when they break down wailing, "He wasn't what I expected! I needed a monster! My brain is broken! The pain!!"
>>79187325
this
Laugh in his face,make fun of everything he says,believes and thinks.
Irony and satire to the max.
Look at leftists as you look at ultra-communist christians,
Insane dumb retards.
use logical and complete arguments
>>79190369
Not here it won't
So basically.
I don't think i'm more important than anyone else.
I don't hate any group of people.
I care about human rights and the environment
But
I Think Britain is stronger outside the EU
I think University campuses should be about learning critical thinking rather than to be a safe space for "triggered" feminists.
I think that Islam is a backwards religion. Any Muslim in the UK should be offered a choice to assimilate into Western Culture or leave. Give them a few years to learnt he laguage properly and learn western culture, and correct their beliefs if it clashes with the facts.
What does this make me?
> tfw every time I debate a conservacuck they literally just ignore any statistics I pull up.
What's the point?
>>79187132
Use facts, but even then they claim facts are racist.
I can't stop laughing at OP's fucking webm
>>79191172
Center left nationalist
>>79190318
>UK
>or any other European country
>assimilating non-whites
Top kek, dad. Quit trying to be America, you always just embarassment yourself
Psychfag here.
You need to outwit them and not necessarily gain the upper hand, but to get even. That pisses them off more.
The great thing about social media is that your interactions will be available for everyone to see.
But this is the matrix of thought SJWs have when you debate, just to keep in mind:
>inequity, not so much inequality, is actively sought if it exists (look up the definition of equity)
>ANYBODY (exluding white male conservatives) who has ANY kind of deficit, whether monetary or emotionally, must be coddled and nurtured. These people are victims of inequity.
That is the operative concept.
>if lost, such inequity MUST be made whole. Loss in inequity MUST NOT BE ALLOWED to occur.
>pic related, just think abstractly with this in mind
2 examples
>example 1: the fact people are not liking the new Ghostbusters is problematic; because it is made up only women, disrespect and loss of dignity are present by people merely not liking it, regardless of whether it's actually misogynistic or not (there does exist spergs on /pol/ who hate women because they are n33ts)
>this inequity must be made whole and "hate" needs to be eliminated, with "hate" being disingenuously broad
>example 2: violence is noble and righteous, but most importantly, acceptable if it means it's against someone like Trump.
To defeat the SJW you must understand the SJW.
>>79189661
You need to lurk more.
>>79191378
if we slow down immigration we could.
Give it a few years and the backwards culture will be gone.
>>79187132
If you debate a leftist they win
>>79187132
is that real?
>>79190428
You're conflating personal beliefs with practical application dipstick
Compromise being a necessity in life has nothing to do with whether your beliefs are right or wrong, it's merely a reality of the fact that people hold different values
On the political level, for the most part, someone us wrong, maybe both parties involved. Compromise doesn't require anything but negotiating power
Personal beliefs are held by the individual who thinks they have the right answer, else they wouldn't hold x belief
Compromise is not inherently valuable either.
>I want you the cut both of your arms off
>you don't
>compromise 1 arm
This is the current problem the west is facing. As the left continues to explore the depths of depravity, the center and even right are dragged along with it.
Compromise, while sometimes valuable, is more often a cancer than not in the political realm
I am confused. If you personally believe that compromise is necessary, is that not a personal belief?
>>79192307
Brain dead retard
>>79192383
Name something you wouldn't compromise over.
>>79187132
no matter what they will actually, i repeat ACTUALLY (not a meme) cakll you mean, racist or both, they simply cannot justify themselves without dehumanizing their opponent. it is egotism that leads them to believe they can save the world and its the same egotism that will convince them they have won the argument.
>>79192614
You completely misunderstood what I said
I never said I wouldn't compromise, it's that your beliefs themselves shouldn't be a compromise
BTFO!!!!
>>79192774
They pride themselves on being "good people."
The concept of original sin in Christianity is foreign to them because the evil white man who they can't even identify is responsible for all of society's ills.
They are more interested in perfecting man out of guilt than they are acknowledging we're all imperfect.
>>79193391
Again. I believe in compromise, but I lean left on social issues while leaning right on military use and free trade. There are compromises to all of these things.
Donald trump is preaching no compromise ultimatums, which I don't like.
How can you say compromise is not a belief when so many people believe in it and so many people don't.
>>79187132
A far right hook.
>>79187132
keep pointing out how nothing they say is actually an argument.
>>79191372
or national socialism :)
>>79195066
True ;^)
>>79194319
Because compromise is inherently the result of beliefs, not a belief on its own
Maybe an individual could be so cucked that they believe in compromise for the sake of it, but in reality they're just retards at the mercy of the two sides compromising
>donald trump is saying no compromise
Which is not inherently wrong as I've demonstrated before with the arms analogy
>so many people believe in it
So many people believe there should be compromise, very few people (retards) don't actually hold an opinion on a particular side of the compromise.
Do you not understand what a belief even is?
>>79187132
"We don't argue with the ones that disagrre with us, we destroy them"
Mussolini
I think that's the good way to debate leftists
>>79187132
Same way to debate a mormon, their wants are fantasy.
>>79187960
People use the words racist and/or sexist as shields, so they "don't have" to keep a discussion going.
That'd why leftists are increasing, you can't convince them even with facts.
>>79195450
>>79187132
>present data and reasoned argument
>call their fallacious arguments and namecalling non-arguments
>they'll slowly get angrier and angrier
>laugh and keep calm
>any rational people watching will see that you've won
>>79195168
If someone is so cucked by an ideology that there is no room for compromise between opposing ideology there will be will be an ideology that rises up to be in the middle. Because there are valid points on both sides and saying that they are wrong and you are right for every issue is impractical.
An example is common sense reforms. Something that both sides can agree on except for those so far up their own ideologies asses that they cannot compromise. 70%+ members of the NRA believe in universal background checks but the NRA is not compromising their beliefs that this ruins some amendment right.
Never argue with a liberal, just give them a free helicopter ride.
>>79187960
>I just want to hit them at the end of it
Oh wow, typical right winger resorting to violence because you can't win the argument
Call them a cuck
>>79189995
That gun looks like a nice and wholesome hunting rifle, it's perfectly fine to own one
>>79196019
No compromise on my rights.
>>79196869
Try yelling fire in a movie theater
>>79197012
false equivalence.
>>79197087
Try legally buying a fully automatic weapon
>>79187325
Yes, call them names and stick your fingers in your ears while you "debate" with them.
>>79189625
niggers tounge my anus
>>79197188
Infringement of my rights.
>>79191172
zizekian socalist
The only way for this government to be ran for the people and by the people is if the people are sufficiently armed to be able to take over if they desire.
>>79197429
To every right there is an exception
>>79187325
fpbp
>>79197919
And automatic weapons isn't that one.
>>79197745
If there was an armed revolt in America, I'm pretty sure the government would win every time. It's pretty much a vale of protection with your semi auto pea shooters.
>>79196019
Let's say you believe that all people have 'right X'
Your political opponent believes that people do not have 'right X'
When deciding on the law for your country, you negotiate and compromise, resulting in having partial/regulated 'right X'
You have compromised in the implementation of your beliefs, but your beliefs themselves are not compromised. You still hold the belief that people deserve 'right X'
To compromise your beliefs would be to change your ideals and start believing that people do not deserve fully 'right x,' as a result of the negotiation
Also if this is turning into a gun rights argument then please take ur well regulated militia and leave lol
>>79198982
I do not compromise, I kill them.
>I'm a leftist
>want to debate with /pol/ everytime
>AHMED AND MUHAMAD DETECTED GO BACK TO ALGERIA LOL
This is your fucking problem /pol/...
>>79187132
Where is his neck?
>>79198982
But if the outcome of the negotiation is, you believe, the optimal solution, then you believe in compromising rights for social welfare.
>>79199548
social welfare is not a right, if we are adding rights, I believe in the right to racial purity.
I tried debating one the other day after he asked me if I voted Brexit. I remained calm and never raised my voice, only stating my opinions as to the future of the EU etc etc. The cuck started shouting and causing a scene to which I just got up and left.
Only way to debate them is to laugh, keep the argument on topic, and demoralise them. Anything else is a waste of time
>>79199712
For the society to do well, government assistance programs are needed. Name a country without government assistance. Name a country with racial purity laws (bonus points if they are still around)
>>79200634
For the society to do well, racial purity programs are needed. Name a multi racialist country where the majority are heavily mixed that is well off.
>>79201058
Singapore
>>79187132
Show them memes
>>79201255
74.1% Chinese
13.4% Malay
9.2% Indian
3.3% others
This is the same ratio as the USA, a dominant pure race and other leeching races.
>>79201519
Who do you think the richest are?
>>79201745
A minority that is irrelevant.
>>79201939
Which race is dominant?
>>79187132
There is hope.
I used to leftist when I was young.
Then Life happened.
>>79187132
ridicule, ridicule, ridicule and ridicule.
You cannot enlighten a leftist, you can only shame him for the others to see. You need to make every leftist an example of what is to be avoided cause it's only gonna attract ridicule from the rest of the people. You need to force the narrative on those who are watching the debate, that leftism is toxic for one's self and should he embrace it, only ridicule awaits.
Also, if you are funny enough while doing it, you may see others verbally joining you in shaming the cunt
>>79202271
Chinese.
>>79202422
Immigrant Chinese are the dominant population but do they they do not dominate the wealth and they do not have native claims to the land
>>79187132
um....... what is the correct way to not be a control freak fag just as bad as ISIS? To rule yourself and not rule others, Fuck all politics.
>>79202608
>they do not have native claims to the land
irrelevant
>do they they do not dominate the wealth
After two rounds of Delphi survey it becomes evident and the
ex-
perts agree that a representative sample of millionaires in Sing
a-
pore almost exclusively consists of Chinese households (95%). P
o-
tentially, a share of other ethnics could be included, in particular
with regard to Westerners and Middle-
Easterners (4%)
or Indians
(1%).
>>79202338
I'll ad that there's almost certainly no way I would convince my past self about it.
What's left of it is that I strongly believe in universal health care.
I went through my mom dying of cancer, and, let's be honest, it would have cost me a fortune if this wasn't the case in France. It would have left me crippled in debt with no mother to show from it.
>>79202976
Delphi surveys are literally a guess
>>79187132
I don't know if it's the right way, but I stoop to their level.
After 10 seconds in they're going to call you sexist, racist, homophobic.
Then just call them ugly, psycho, animalfuckers.
They get real mad real fast.
>>79199403
Recently there is a educational video on how all people on the right have felt for decades.
I urge you to watch this, though it's about american gun control debate.
But the point is blatantly clear. You can see a small part on what is leftist debate so clearly it should make you feel bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-pc5xzRg0E
>>79204300
That guy is false flagging hard.
>>79195589
>libertarian
>pinochet
kek
>>79204300
>leftie
>doesn't support arming the proletariat
not a true leftie
>>79187132
I don my favorite trench coat and black boots, it tends to intimidate them. They usually have this look of FEAR on their face when i'm directly in front of them.
Then, i'll call them a cuck repeatedly to their face, i might throw a loud BRO in to assert that i am the alpha here.
I have yet to lose a debate doing this.
>>79187132
Just argue like Sara Palin.
You'll never be right, but you'll be cute and really sexy!
>>79196124
>calling someone racist is an argument
>>79187132
Saying "So what, I don't really care" drives them mad.
>Talking to a leftist
>"Omg have you heard Trump saying we need to kill terrorist families?!"
>"Yeah, I support it"
>"Oh my gosh how can you support it?!? Do you know what the current year is?!?"
>"So what? I still support it"
>he changes number of colors and can't comprehend
>>79187132
By being black. No substitutes.
Being gay used to work too, but now that the oppression Olympics are mainstream gays are being cast aside.
>>79187132
You can't debate a leftist. It's a waste of time and effort. They believe logic, sound arguments, statistics, and reason are white male cisgendered constructs.
>>79205886
won't even work.
Mudslimes will have them be martyrs.
>>79187132
Sputter memes and scream REEEEEE if they try to respond. Show them printed out version of popular /pol/ pictures to prove your point.
>>79192062
You're the reason we have such a shitty congress.
>>79188258
this, dropped subtle bombs about Turkey joining the EU, Sweden and Germany's rape epidemic and Turkey's high population support for ISIS to my younger bro who voted to stay in the EU. he was quiet and contemplative afer that
>>79202338
>I used to leftist when I was young.
>Then Life happened.
That's the story of all of us, isn't it
>>79187132
>What is the correct way to debate a leftist?
> debate a leftist?
>leftist
A debate implies some level of integrity and honesty on both sides. Going into a situation assuming you are automatically right and the other person is wrong is not a debate.
This is why you see so many people on the right denying scientific facts.
>>79207768
He's right though. Something innate in humans thinks that compromise is good. His example of arms being cut, might be crude, but it shows the fault in this type of thinking.
Compromise is not always good, it's not always just and it's certainly not always the best way.
It's dangerous. You might get the feeling of such of having done the good thing, while in fact you've just cut someone's arm off. Then in the end you feel like a moral superior, because of compromise.
>>79205886
I support killing racists and their families.. as well as domestic right wing terrorist and their families.
>>79187132
He's kind of stupid about historical political realities, but he's generally ont eh correct side of things.
>>79189625
Pick a topic
>>79189625
i'm going to sign up and vote for corbyn for labour leadership and many others are going to do the same thing, he will retain his position and labour is going to completely collapse
>>79190061
b8
or
>literal contradiction: the post
>>79191172
literally hitler
>>79187132
Leftist like emotional appeal, so don't bring up stats, bring up the victims of the liberal agenda
>>79196302
>looks like
>looks like
>looks like
tell me what does this "look like" to you?
because this rifle functions exactly the same as the one in that post. guns are tools.
if I wrote "baby killer" on a hammer does that change the nature of it? does it mean all hammers are evil and can't be used for anything but?
get fucked
>>79187132
The only winning move is to not play.
The snowflakes are already melting as they leave their safe spaces:
http://www.askamanager.org/2016/06/i-was-fired-from-my-internship-for-writing-a-proposal-for-a-more-flexible-dress-code.html
>>79187960
>I have debated 8 leftists so far and every one of them has called me a racist or something similar.
Was it right after you made some derogatory remark about niggers? That seem to trigger them every time, in my experience.
>>79189625
I think that if I vote for person A, my vote shouldn't count for person B, who is the electorate winning party bullshit bullshit nominal leader.
Because in our corrupt system that is exactly what happens.
Oh and you're brit. I'd also want to know how is it that Bryssels has the power over me to create an european army, consisting of all the member states' armies, which I am a part of. What does it mean. Can this jucker guy tell me to strap on my shit and go fight russians for him? I'd rather kill that fucking guy.
Also, why is the left and the EU pushing Sopa/popa/pipa internet censorship? I though you were for freedom of information and etc. Can you please just go away?
>control+f
>walk away
>0 results
plebs
>>79212601
He was joking, you autist
>>79215692
exactly, he was joking, as in the implication that because that rifle doesn't look like a hunting rifle it's not OK to own one
