You know the world is going to shit when people are so complacent in Western society that they think democracy should be overturned in favour of a technocrat.
I cannot comprehend what I'm seeing, people willingly giving up their political power and rights. Who decides if they are fit for the job? A degree? A council? It's a slippery slope and does not work in practice without a nepotistic bureaucracy developing.
>Pic related
Left = Totalitarianism
LEFT = MURDER
>>79153666
>Implying a nepotistic bureaucracy doesn't already exist
Nice get btw
>>79153666
This isn't exactly news though.
Gonna be a little America-centric here, but the left has always hated democracy, Satan. At least for the 30 years I've been born. They ride a sense of moral superiority by supporting an implausible welfare state and whine when Republican free market principals get in the way. With the fall-out caused by Shadow President Dick Cheney and his dunce W Bush, the left got a huge momentum and were able to coast on a legit majority for a while there, but now we're contracting back to a time of the left being a petulantly vocal minority (though they have more registered voters, independents usually lean right in times like this) chirping about social welfare. If Trump weren't such a... whatever the hell Trump is, the Republicans would have this wave cycle in the bag.
>>79154452
You need to convince Trump to let her daughter run the general instead, somehow.
>>79153776
Why are Netherland posters always DUDE POLITICS poster
>>79153666
There was no left-right split in the Brexit vote, no matter how much retards want to beleive it.
>>79154452
To be fair, Trump might bean indescribable thing that boggles the mind to properly contemplate, his running competition is either generally unknown or a fucking primordial evil just waking up.
>>79153666
O was told, straightfaced, on sunday by my wifes vegetarian, pacifist uncle that some things are too important to trust the people with. I thought it was hilarious, he still thinks he rebels against the system, he is the fucking system.
>>79153737
>>79155401
Please tell me that someone asked him exactly WHAT is too important to let the general population decide?
>>79153666
I don't like democracy either, but that's because those people are stupid. I'd rather have a monarchy.
>>79155401
Nice ID you sexpot.
Also yeah I've seen loads of remainers saying the british people can no longer be trusted with voting. Weak estrogen filled cucks just want resoonsibilities and anything that vibrates their cocoon of liberal daydreams to go away while they eat icecream and play magic the gathering or whatever the fuck it is.
Im okay with a technocracy, just so long as its not run by cunts.
>>79153666
Satan, have you realized we live in a world where
>The EVIL and AGAINST THE PEOPLE right is pro-people's rights, pro-gay, anti-islam, pro-democracy, against globalism and big corps, against big gov and pro-right of self determination
>The GOOD and FOR THE PEOPLE left are anti-people's freedom, are anti-worker's, are pro globalism and pro big corps and gov, against right of self determination, anti-democracy, anti-gay, pro-islam and 100% for totalitarian dictatorship states
>>79154774
why are americans always stupid mouthy fuckwads who tend not to be able to read the posts they're replying to?
Why do Canadians always mouth off condescendingly or just shitpost blatant libshit?
I was going to give you a hint, but then I realized you're American so not only would you be too stupid to understand it, you'd be too much of a knuckleheaded retard to wrap your head around it if I just went ahead and told you as well.
>>79156122
Australian intellectuals, everyone.
>>79156745
I know why Americans are stupid. But please enlighten me as to why Canadians almost always post as you said. Recently it seems like most Canuck posters post retarded libshit but I don't think it's shitposting.
>>79154452
They are against democracy in case of the Brexit because it goes against their plan. History is a linear proces of progress according to leftists (hence the it's the current year! argument). Thus I heard leftists say that a Brexit goes against history, because they think we are developing towards a world with no borders and just one government. They think it's a shame to resist this because they are very sure it will happen. They said the same about communism: useless to resist it because it's the wave of the future. So because they are convinced history is on their side, they think it's righteous to use hard mesures to silence their opponents
>>79157101
pretentious shitheads, regardless of political affiliation
being pretentious is a national pasttime, almost like a third language
we learned from the quebecois
>>79156865
That's the New Zealand flag, you fucking stupid amerikunt.
>>79153776
>Left = Totalitarianism
>LEFT = MURDER
It's true. In order to establish a liberal democracy here in the colonies, we had to shoot a few Brits. We challenged the right-wing conservative religious divine-rule monarchy during the American revolution and replaced it with rule of law and "one man, one vote".
>>79154452
>Gonna be a little America-centric here, but the left has always hated democracy
I think you've got that backwards. The left got rid of the poll tax and literacy tests that conservatives used to block blacks from voting.
The left pushed for women's suffrage. The left extends early voting days so everyone can make it to the poll. The left wants all Americans to be able to vote.
It's been my observation that the right is the one saying America is not a democracy. The right restricts voting to only 2 or 3 photo IDs despite no evidence of impersonation fraud. The right cuts early voting days and arbitrarily culls Hispanic sound names from voter rolls to disenfranchise likely Democratic voters.
The bottom line is that the parties have lived up to their names.
The Republicans are the guys who want a powerful police state republic.
The Democrats want the power in the hands of the people.
>>79153666
The /pol wannabe fascists and Adolfs all of the sudden love democracy. You people are a joke. Continue with your feelz and crying. Welcome to the real world virgins.
>>79162649
>The Democrats want the power in the hands of the people.
Yet here we are.
The left hates democracy when they lose. You can go back to 2004 and the John Kerry loss to see leftists screeching about secession.
The left also believes they are the most educated. All you have to do is ask them.
The "left" of old was classical liberalism, not the co-opted version today. If you will not allow the right to say that the KKK was started by democrats without mentioning 1968, then you cannot co-opt classical liberalism. The "left" today is nothing like that. It is authoritarian, just like many on the right. It is heavily politicized, to the point of being indistinguishable from the right.
If Trump appeals to the uneducated masses, explain, then, how the Texas law was struck down. Aren't "admitting privileges" what got Joan Rivers killed? (not endorsing a particular view on abortion, just pointing at something)
So we have two issues here, the left co-opting a word to make themselves appear less authoritarian and using uneducated voters to whip up support (or enraged support as it perpetually is with the left). No, sir, they vary little from the right.
>>79153666
Nobody with any actual moral compass says this.
The left is increasingly being made up of modern SJWs who have never left their bubble of political correctness and are being perpetually triggered with interacting with conservatives.
>>79163584
>The left hates democracy when they lose.
More people voted for Gore than Bush in the 2000 election. Popular democracy was defeated by police state Republicans abusing the judiciary.
>You can go back to 2004 and the John Kerry loss to see leftists screeching about secession.
You're hallucinating.
>The left also believes they are the most educated. All you have to do is ask them.
More educated people get their facts from actual studies. They have better critical thinking skills and they are less likely to have opinions before drawing conclusions. They see through bullshit and struggle to understand how conservatives could be so insanely gullible.
Idiots get their disinformation from Fox "news", they display Dunning-Kruger perception and confirmation bias, and they don't let new facts influence their opinions. They whine about liberal academia and intellectual elitism. They distrust legitimate news from outside their echo chamber by labeling it "the liberal media". They are paranoid and easily fall prey to conspiracy theories and no.sense. They vote a straight Republican ticket.
>>79169822
We are NOT a democracy, numb nuts. For the "highly educated" left, you would think this wouldn't be that hard to grasp.
>You're hallucinating
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/nov/9/20041109-122753-5113r/
>educated
>complains about the single mouthpiece of the right where there are 40 others for the left
There is a vast ocean of difference between education and confirmation bias.
>>79163584
>If you will not allow the right to say that the KKK was started by democrats without mentioning 1968, then you cannot co-opt classical liberalism.
To be more accurate, you would need to say the KKK was started by right-wing conservatives. They initially were members of the Democratic Party but later all became Republicans.
All the White Supremacists, Neo Nazis, Fascists Militias are all far right hate groups. They are universally Republicans, and they endorse Republican candidates like Donald Trump. David Duke on YouTube.
>>79172009
The KKK endorsed Hillary.
>>79155712
Yes, always good to have some old fart ruling over you because of muh bloodlines.
Kill yourself.
Can people not conceive not to be governed for once?
>>79156122
I'm ok with robots taking care of everything (in fact, it's how it should be if we were not completely retarded and always needed some stupid politician that knows nothing about solving problems ruling over us), as long as it's open source and not programmed by someone with a secret agenda
>>79170395
You're hallucinating
>http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/nov/9/20041109-122753-5113r/
Now just just proving how insanely gullible you are.
This unsigned Op-Ed claims that a photoshopped "map" and a spam email are somehow proof of a secession movement? Lawrence O’Donnell is the secession leader?
Well, you're certainly the poster child for a eugenics program, but no, hanging your case on the glib remarks of one commentator only proves your shocking credulity.
>>79172417
>The KKK endorsed Hillary.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-endorsed-kkk-neo-nazis-america-white-article-1.2543847
http://www.thewrap.com/ku-klux-klan-leader-endorses-donald-trump-for-president-video/
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/a-lot-of-what-he-believes-we-believe-kkk-grand-imperial-wizard-endorses-trump/
>>79158037
Yep, kill yourself, oxygen thief >>79156865
onya
>>79153666
>>79153737
You know what's always the catch with these people? They think they somehow get to magically dictate how this post-democratic society will work.
But they don't. They never do. Idealistic idiots always have their causes overtaken by already existing power structures. And who are these guys? Extremists. Because they're the only people to have a reason to have a well developed network already in place.
>>79153666
>>79173402
There are about as idealistic as Pol Pot. The left=naive good people meme needs to die once and for all. History shows it's exactly the other way around.
>>79153666
It is simple: dumb people (the majority of all people in the Western world) get to vote. This should stop.
On the other hand, rich people and people in parliaments are corrupt as fuck. This needs to stop.
Both needs to stop at the same time. Next to that, it is ridiculous to deem some people stupid only because they disagree with you. Therefore this will never happen. The elite will also always stay in power. Therefore they will also never step down.
In essence: lefties will always cry and people in power will always stay in power.
>>79172009
I love what your definition of hate group must be. So it's not a hate group if it hates white people and America? What side do you think Black Panthers, La Raza, BLM, BAMN and the dozens of other LEFT groups falls on in the US? You're such a biased shit bag it's not even funny. If you're going to bitch about hate groups, bitch about all of them. Hypocrisy isn't going to gain you any friends here you pretentious bastard. Also, if you're going to blame people for having their views wrong because of MSM, you probably shouldn't try to prove your fucking point with links from MSM jack ass.
>>79157158
>History is a linear proces of progress according to leftists
Yes! Thank you for pointing this out! This fallacy of theirs is one of their most irksome, and one of their most dangerous ideas. They literally believe they can do no wrong, and suffer no losses. It's insane.
It really bares the reality of leftist doublethink, too: What they want to happen is inevitable, according to them. But at the same time that fact affords them the right to stop people opposing it by any means necessary.
No wonder they like the muslims so much. They think exactly the same way about their religion. Both lay claim to some sort of holy duty that will make the world a better place. According to them. And both are willing to make the world a much, much shittier place to make it all happen.
But they're right, democracy isn't the way. Any system in which crazy people like this can have a say, is not the right system.
>>79170395
>We are NOT a democracy, numb nuts.
This is what I'm talking about. America type of governance is representative democracy. America's form of government is a republic. Anyone who graduated from 9th grade should know this.
If you're one of the stupidest people in America who is so shamefully retarded you fell for some other line of shit, congratulations, you're an idiot.
>>79173862
> rich people aren't dumb
> politicians aren't dumb
Nicely memed
> Next to that, it is ridiculous to deem some people stupid only because they disagree with you. >Therefore this will never happen.
This is happening right now.
> The elite will also always stay in power. Therefore they will also never step down.
Not voluntarily, but elites change, nations fall, civilizations are lost, elites are replaced.
>>79173862
>yeah, let me get that toothpaste with that "WISE" flavor
Great post
>>79174074
Representative democracy is the biggest scam of modern times. The only way it could remotely being actually democratic was if politicians were bound by law to fulfill their election promises.
>>79156865
Fucking KEK.
I can't tell if this is some kind of meta trolling but here's your (you).
>>79173862
> In essence: lefties will always cry and people in power will always stay in power.
The left is in power right now. You're the one crying, cornered into one of the last only mildly censored places on the internet that was originally meant for 14 yos to share animu porn on.
>>79174460
This.
>>79174031
>What side do you think Black Panthers,
Hold on let me get my time machine so I can go back 40 years and figure out what the hell you're talking about. Oh yeah, leftists from yesteryear.
Apparently the BPs came together as a group because black people were tired of being persecuted by right-wing conservatives
>La Raza,
ooooh, another throwback to the 1970's. Apparently La Raza came together as a group because MexicanNative people were tired of being persecuted by right-wing conservatives
>BLM,
Apparently the Black lives Matter came together as a group because black people were tired of literally having their skulls crushed and spines snapped by overzealous right-wing conservative police.
The left are and always have been communist authoritarians. The liberal elite rule with an iron fist and the liberal sheep just meekly bleat whatever bullshit they've been fed.
>Bernouts and Bremainers both claim to be the champions of democracy
>Are the ones who bitch the most about losing and seek ways to overturn the vote
>Bernouts and Bremainers both claim to be the champions of the poor
>Demonize the poor when things don't go their way
If Bremainers also believe they're the only ones to raise minorities out of poverty but also think minorities only want and care about welfare then they're basically the same.
>>79174460
>The only way it could remotely being actually democratic was if politicians were bound by law to fulfill their election promises.
Corporations spend $billions and have armies of lobbyists (literally 20+ lobbyists per Congressman). They always get what they want.
If American's want their democracy back, they need to remove money from politics. Overturn Buckley v. Valeo. Strip these legal fictions of their artificial personhood. Corporations are created by the stroke of a pen and dissolved by the same.
If the Founding Fathers had wanted these paper fabrications to have the same rights as human beings, I'm pretty sure they would have mentioned it at least once.
>>79175408
>The left are and always have been communist authoritarians.
Dude, give it up. There are no "communists" and you don;t have the first clue what communism is. Second, communism is stateless - a kind of libertarian anarchy. OTOH, the farther right you go, the more authoritarian the corporate fascists.
You fell for a bunch of right-wing propaganda lies, but only the idiots are falling for them.
>>79153666
To even wat?
>>79175989
Every communist regime has been a dictatorship.
>>79175989
Can you just shut up and stop being retarded?
Oh you're right, absolutely nobody is a communist, hurrr durrrr
Of course everybody in Britain who wants remain isn't thinking that Britain will shit down its immigration (communists) and turn off its benefits (communist) but, like all communist, you think that international communism has nothing to do with international communism
>>79174065
>No wonder they like the muslims so much
It's the current year, senpai. All three Middle East goat herd religions cause most all the trouble in the world. Time to reject them all.
>>79175627
> Money out of politics
Honestly, have you actually thought about this for more than two seconds? Politics is about money and control. It doesn't matter what the laws on the books are, people are going to buy and sell politicians.
>>79176094
>Every communist regime has been a dictatorship.
Then why did they call themselves Socialist Republics?
>>79173862
Apparently the majority of all people in Britain believe in sovereignty and the opportunities that the free market brings. Recent polling shows that this is a growing trend in the rest of Europe as well.
Meanwhile, the elites are showing their contempt for the plebs by ignoring every plea for reform and forcing laws down our throat that we cannot repeal. Surely these elites know what happens when the people get fed up with the rich abusing them. 1789 is all they need to look for, it was a vibrant year in France to say the least.
The elite stays in power because through the power of the mainstream media they spread propaganda for all the dumbasses to swallow. People who question it have become disenfranchised since it turns out that voting in liberals instead of social-democrats won't make policy more right-wing, those people stop voting and by default the left gains parliamentary traction.
What's truly dumb is to choose emotions over reason and evidence, and it just so happens that the truth will always prevail. Keep fighting the left with factual arguments, keep them crying, see what happens when they get violent. Their support will fade.
In essence: the people can take the power, if only they were willing enough to pursue it.
>>79175989
The part of communism that's essentially libertarian anarchy never happens. It ALWAYS gets stuck on the "dictatorship of the proletariat" part.
Jeez, I wonder why?
Left theorists and leaders are OCD egomaniacs who think they know the perfect way to organize the whole of mankind, they get triggered as fuck if someone defies them and their ivory tower, sectarian thinking.
This sectarian mind coupled with their usual atheistic materialism views which ironically loves history and "the People" while at the same time deeming individualism and human lives worthless is why they are so trigger happy to remove "the undesirable elements who oppose the People's Revolution"
And yes, a chunk of the Right is the same shit, psychopathic, egomaniac, OCD tribalistic niggering disguised and excused by "Ideologies"
The mental structure ALWAYS COMES FIRST, then the ideology of choice to justify it.
>>79176094
>>79176279
Just remember, it is only communism when it actually works.
>>79176615
They were/are led by Communist parties.
>marxism was literally a movement for the uneducated to rise up and fight against the elite and the establishment
>left nowadays: FUCKING IGNORANT PEOPLE WITHOUT COLLEGE DEGREES NOT SUPPORTING CORPORATIST JEWS LIKE WE DO
>MUH IMMIGRANTS
>MUH ENRICHMENT
>MUH GAYS
>RIGHT FAGS? VOTE FOR US AND YOU CAN KEEP SUCKING COCKS
>CHECK THIS BRAND NEW FAG APP WITH MICROTRANSACTION TO SUCK MORE COCKS
>FUCK RAYCISS
>>79153666
I think you'll find that the left has always been opposed to democracy though.
>>79176279
>communists...SHRIEK!!...communism...<shit muh shorts>...communistas....SHRIEK!!...
The GOP needs to keep the dumbest people in a constant state of fear to control them. Sucks to be you
God my hatred for leftists knows no boundary
>>79156566
well said spain
>>79156566
while i would like the single world organism that works together that sagan talks about, I'm starting to feel that all too often the motive for globalization is totalitarianism at the expense of the people of the world. so yay nationalism! i suppose.
I was a democrat until I saw how anti democracy they are after Bush won in 2000.
>>79178354
this
If we do something like that it needs to be an emergent, bottom-to-top P2P-like organization based on personal freedom and respect.
Not the top-to-bottom same totalitarian shit as ever: BigWorld4U Edition
>>79158037
>>79173323
That's the joke you fucking retards
How are your first days here going?
>>79175627
How's that iPhone treating you?
>>79161497
>>79162649
>>79169822
>>79172009
>>79173026
>>79173315
>>79174074
You have to go back
>>79156566
Absolutamente de acuerdo. When are we getting the like button for coments?!
>>79153666
> The Left are sick of democracy after Brexit
No.
The plebiscite that took place in the UK was an example of deirect democracy, which is "mob rule", essentially.
Representative Democracy was established to protect individuals from the mob. This is why all nations practice representative democracy and referendums (direct democracy) is banned in some countries.
>>79157158
For the hard left it is 100%true. I love there ussr was not comunist but state capitalism argument. Lol
>>79179958
The USSR was State Capitalist, whether you "love it", or not.
>>79153666
If you haven't already, look up Yuri Benzmenov and his talk on Subversion in America. It's one of the first and pigment redpills to take
>>79180163
No. The USSR had a planned economy.
>>79179940
Fuck off the majority is always right.
Which why I'll support Islam when it outnumbers the rest of the world
>>79182244
It's apparent you don't know what "State Capitalism" is...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism
>>79183384
>Fuck off the majority is always right.
The majority didn't vote for Brexit.
Only 52% of those who bothered to vote, voted for Brexit.
>>79180567
So what? It's nnot like the people will watch that. Best thing would to require public schooling to show students that video. They show Hitler docs why not docs like that?
Unless it's fake and gaaaaayyyyy
That video is proven fake idiots.
>>79178881
>How's that iPhone treating you?
Word salad much?
>>79184402
That's not what planned economy is.
>>79156566
>The EVIL and AGAINST THE PEOPLE right is pro-people's rights, pro-gay, anti-islam, pro-democracy, against globalism and big corps, against big gov and pro-right of self determination
Not here in the US. The right is almost always the rights-grabbers. They are the ones who come with new and horrific ways to violate the Constitution. Just look at your list
The right wrote the Patriot Act which stripped citizens of 4rth Amendment protections
They wrote the Torture Memo to inflict cruel and unusual punishment on detainees who hadn't been convicted of any crimes. They persecute gays and they want the government to impose religious punishment on gays in violation of the 14th Amendment. The right-wing conservatives gave Constitutional personhood to the same paymaster corporations that directly cause ALL the globalism. The right is constantly fighting for deregulation to help corporations screw over their investors, shareholders, creditors, employees and customers. And if the right *really* gave a shit about self determination, the would respect a woman's natural and Constitutional right to determine for herself if she wants to bear children.
>>79184542
i.e. the majority. You don't vote? Then you and your opinion literally don't matter.
>>79187673
t. #MentallyHill
>>79156566
>The GOOD and FOR THE PEOPLE left are anti-people's freedom, are anti-worker's, are pro globalism and pro big corps and gov, against right of self determination, anti-democracy, anti-gay, pro-islam and 100% for totalitarian dictatorship states
The left is behind the workers unions, better wages, safer working conditions. The left has been telling people to "Buy America' to stop the right's globalism juggernaut.
The right wing retards is running around telling people that America is not a democracy - apparently they forgot to read Articles I & II where the direct and indirect elections of representatives are established.
The left wants everybody to be so free, they can be anything they want, including other genders, races and they can sleep with anyone they want, even people from the same gender. The right is horrified that people imagine themselves to be so free.
>>79189493
>>79187673
t. #MentallyHill samecuck
>>79162649
>not realizing that they only wanted these things so that women and minorities would vote dem
>>79187673
>>79189493
fuck reddit
>>79156566
Crazy times we are living in amigo
>>79175213
So why do you think it'd wrong for a neo nazi party to come out when white people are being treated the same around the world?
>Sweden
>France
>Britain
>USA
>South Africa
You remember what happened to the Rhodesians don't you? How about the fact that communism in South Africa has killed 69,000 white people alone, not including black people and muslim people? Guess who's side the black government has been on?
Every race can be racist, BLM isn't even a community wide movement, as even former black panthers decry it. BLM's entire platform is that white people are inherently better than black people which is why they should be punished. They dehumanize themselves, they aren't really pro black they are just idiots who only follows what the mainstream news says.
>>79157158
Historical determinism is such a crock of shit.
