Is it real, or just a meme/propaganda?
News flash:
Electrical engineers get paid more than kindergarten teachers.
>>79148439
RACIST BIGOT
>>79148439
This tbqhwyf
It's real but not in the way people say it is
Work more = earn more
Work a better paid job = earn more
That's the ''pay gap''.
>>79148368
it's a straight-faced lie
they took all men and women and divided their average salaries
completely ignored differences in field participation (coal miners, oil drillers, trash collectors, vs teachers, social workers) for a pithy slogan to fight against. Also tendencies to vacation, take overtime, take higher risk jobs, ask for promotions, etc.
women make 3 cents more in similar fields with similar experience as men
>>79148500
Thank you for the compliment.
>>79148439
must be the patriarchy keeping women from becoming electrical engineers
i'm a girl and it's not real
>>79148368
the WAGE gap doesn't exist, but there is an EARNING gap caused by women not wanting to do dangerous/hard jobs, and not being as hard on their bosses for raises
>>79148368
A baseless bullshit statistic. Spend ten minutes researching it and you'll figure that out.
>>79148565
Boobies or Begone!
>>79148666
Go to bed, Gilpin...
>>79148618
The most recent argument I heard is that it is because there aren't enough women promoted to leadership positions.
Just wait, the "more women in leadership" slogan is just around the corner.
>>79148565
post feminine penis
>>79148368
it is not real
often women do make less at office type jobs but they also take far more time off work then men do
also men tend to work in fields that pay more... see first post.
but if you work as a teacher, police officer, if you are a waiter or if you work at Walmart, Target, CVS, etc... you get paid the same.
>>79148731
because they take pregnancy leave or drop out of the work force entirely
companies owned by women make considerably less profit than those owned by men, because they prioritize family life, short hours, and vacation
>>79148731
Maybe
JUST MAYBE
not all women want leadership positions
fucking crazy, I know.
>>79148368
Working both on a construction site and getting a degree in engineering after that, I have to say this:
Women only have themselves to blame for the choices they make. They have free education, and still not going for engineering degrees. Really makes you think...
>>79148368
Does not account for
>Work hours
>Overtime
>Men being better negotiators
>Days of vacation used
>Pregnancy leaves
>Career choice (Engineers and Doctors tend to make more than grade school teachers)
>Corporations would only hire WOMEN if there really was a wage gap to maximize profit
>Worthless degree's
So yes Gender pay gap is bullshit.
Good day.
>>79148368
It's propaganda.
If you look at statistics of how much longer men work on average than women, it's about the same percentage more.
>>79148368
The "wage gap" meme-plex is a way for some people to justify their lack of success in life. There is no wage gap, unless you fail to negotiate a high-enough wage. The wage-gap meme serves to perpetuate falsehoods that only negatively impact the gender equality movement. The only people who still use statements like this are extremists who don't actually want equality, but want to drag men through the dirt by their balls, or the misinformed; both are equally as dangerous and detrimental to the gender equality movement.
And if you still need proof, here, educate yourself:
http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/
http://time.com/30545/its-time-to-end-rape-culture-hysteria/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3TR_YuDFIFI
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080204212846.htm
http://citation.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/0/1/8/6/5/p18653_index.html
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303532704579483752909957472
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html
http://www.educationnews.org/higher-education/study-women-favored-for-stem-tenure-track-jobs/
http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6EDykuMDLpM
http://pastebin.com/bfkB8vqw
http://takimag.com/article/feminist_fallout_a_roll_call_of_regrets_gavin_mcinnes/print#axzz3BY8F1OTw
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/atus.nr0.htm
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bogus-aauw-study-perpetuates-wage-gap-myths/article/2512127
http://www.payscale.com/data-packages/gender-wage-gap/job-distribution-by-gender
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_and_appointed_female_heads_of_state
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_or_appointed_female_heads_of_government
http://www.jjmccullough.com/charts_rest_female-leaders.php
http://anti-feminism-pro-equality.tumblr.com/wagegap
http://anti-feminism-pro-equality.tumblr.com/wagegap2
>>79148875
You fucking sexist piece of shit kill yourself
*blocks u so u can't trigger me with a response*
>>79148368
I'm not going to say there isn't a wage gap.
There is, Just not something as fucking simple as some mastermind patriarch meddling in the background and just going "FOR EVERY $1 A MAN MAKES A LADY WILL MAKE $.79"
Just the higher paid jobs, More men are employed.
Normally if someone brings it up and i am begrudgingly dragged into the argument i just ask "Can you tell me why males make up 9/10 workplace deaths?"
Thats about the most i'll bother with.
And the most i need to say.
They'll either say it's not the issue and we're talking about the wage gap, in which case i'll politely ask that we change the conversation
Or I'll they'll think about it a bit and normally come up with a conclusion i can reverse to apply to their initial statement, Agree to disagree and request we talk about something else.
No need to be an ass about it, but when most of what they hear is the simple bottom line on the dollar, they get outraged and switch off. Like you know most of us would/do.
If you can open them up to the idea that there are many different angles and perspectives on the issue
>>79148995
male suicide is nothing to scoff at
>>79148368
>comes to /pol/ with bullshit feminist propaganda
>expects not to get raped
>>79148875
If they wanted it they'd earn it, instead of throwing a tantrum like a two-year old until they're given something they don't deserve.
>>79148945
>Corporations would only hire WOMEN if there really was a wage gap to maximize profit
THIS.
People who propagate this absolute shit do not realize that this actually DID happen. Guess what: that's not legal anymore.
>Career choice
Also this.
We have a government mandated safety class for any dangerous jobs. Most people who have said card are men. Other stats back this up. Men do most of the dangerous jobs that exist. Endangering yourself pays more.
>>79148368
its just meme propaganda.
i make more than every woman at my plant, on average 3x to 5x more, even more than the accountant and bosses daughter.
why?
hazzard pay.
you want someone to do a dangerous dirty job day in and day out without calling in sick for 12 hours a day 5 to 6 hours a week?
hire ME
you want someone to just occupy space and occasionally fix something that they can physically handle?
hire a woman.
go ahead, find one that can do my job.
haven't seen or met one in all my time in the workforce.
>>79148368
NOW ITS .79!!!!
>>79148368
I've yet to see one example of jobs where women get paid less than men with the exact same experience, skills and education.
>>79148368
Sounds like cunts are being overpaid.
>>79149265
hey, in what do you work? sounds interesting
>>79149316
office jobs were male co-workers ask/negotiate for slightly higher raises
>>79149415
this man is a professional memer
>>79148368
At least they're not claiming "for the same work" in this image.
>>79148368
I can prove it isn't real, right here: If women are only paid 79 cents, why are men ever employed?
>>79149415
Industrial maintenance tech, master mechanic.
Basically if it moves, i can fix it.
Electronics
Hydraulics
Mechanical
Engines
Steam
Computers
Welding
Rigging
Fabrication
Systems analysis
Chemical Titration
HVAC
Robotics
>>79148368
Leftist propaganda.
They forget that qualifications, line of work, experience, dedication (how much you can work), and other factors are considered when talking about pay.
The leftists intentionally synthesize data (with bias) that produces the conclusion that they wanted, instead of actually conducting an objective search for the truth. They're essentially using the flawed methodology that some scientists use to arrive with the conclusion that they wanted, instead of actually conducting experiments that may or may not disprove them - it's an ego thing for scientists.
In other words, it's not about the search for truth. It's about searching for the "truth" that validates their predetermined conclusion. So any "study" that they've done was geared to prove that there is a gender wage gap, even with missampled data.
That's leftists methodology, in a nutshell.
>>79149591
because even with the difference, men are still worth it
>>79148368
Female porn stars make more money than their male coworkers
Yes its real.
Its misleading to use the aggregate wage gap to support your claims that there is not "equal pay for equal work" but it is also misleading to say that the wage gap doesn't exast after you control for education, experience, overtime, occupation, hours worked and almost everything you can think of.
Any claim about equal pay for equal work is a claim about conditional means - if you control for education, experience, hours worked and occupation - the question you are effectively asking is "are women with otherwise equal education/expereince earning the same as their male counterparts in the same field of work?"
However, this doesn't say anything about "discrimination" (statistical, economic or sexism). The question that economists are almost always interested in is "why do women select into lower paying occupations?" or "why are the top paying occupations predominantly male?"
To answer these questions you do not control for occupation, otherwise your wage gap will tell you absolutely jack shit.
The problem with the wage gap controversy is that people use it to mislead people. I remember when Milo used to recite his stump speeches on those YouTube TV segments when he debates feminists on the wage gap and I thought he was misleading people.
Women don't earn 79 cents on the dollar but the fact that the gap is that large (and comparatively much smaller after controlling for occupation) should prompt policymakers/economists to figure out why women are choosing lower paying roles and working less - is it discrimination? is it lack of negotiating power? are there a lack of policies to help women during their childbearing years (maternity leave, income protection, more spending needed on daycares so women can resume their careers faster)? are employers choosing men for promotions because women are more likely to leave the workforce?
>>79148439
This. The gender wage gap simply reflects the gender beneficial societal contribution capacity gap.
>>79149728
give us stats
>>79149310
it's rand(0,1)
>>79148368
Pic related
>>79149731
>Yes its real.
>Women don't earn 79 cents on the dollar
You're contradicting yourself. The claim is entirely "women are being paid less for the same work", which is laughably false.
Women choose to go into careers that earn less money overall. That's all there is to it. Incentivizing them to do otherwise has minimal effect. Very few women are going to want to work in a coal mine or service hot water boilers or scoop roadkill off the highway. Those are not jobs that involve sitting in a comfy chair at a desk.
>>79148368
it's the biggest lie ever told by the jew media. the sad part is most people believe it, some of them are males too.
Propaganda and misrepresentations of facts.
Here's how it works;
>1. The Wage Gap in a way, technically does exist, but only exists because of the misrepresentation of facts. These facts are that men typically choose more physical, and dangerous jobs. These jobs generally pay more, while women tend to choose jobs which are more relaxing and easy (i.e. office jobs)
>2. These jobs are then compared toward each other.
>3. Another way they are compared is that when you look at education, it does not give specifics into the teachers education, degree or level. For instance, A University Lecturer and a Primary School Teacher will both be called an "Educator" under law. However, each degree offers significantly different money.
>4. Most University Educators are male. This isn't a bias in hiring, this is more or less because most women CHOOSE to become small time educators because it is easier.
If the Wage Gap is proof of anything it's that men work harder than women.
>>79149728
is that a real tweet? fucking savage.
It's a gross misrepresentation of gaps in earnings between men and women. Calling it 'the wage gap' is misleading and saying women 'earn 77% that men do for the exact same work' partly because the figure is from ALL full time workers and partly because the figure is several years out of date
http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/womens-earnings/archive/highlights-of-womens-earnings-in-2014.pdf
These are the latest statistics, no significant analysis into the wheres and whys of the gap, but still shows that taking hours worked, occupation and other factors into play, you reduce the gap significantly.
And the overall gap is 17.5%, which reduces to under 10% for the younger generation, aka the ones who keep whining about "muh wage gap" and simply expect to be paid more.
Of course the real problem is that many employers have policy against talking about pay allowing them to easily fuck anyone over that they feel like (regardless of gender). Any real pay discrimination will go unnoticed unless this is fixed.
![383P3y-AwQ_rULAr7qM4gtTixrYdp43R2xyxvJhOdfM[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rESbhYC.jpg "383P3y-AwQ_rULAr7qM4gtTixrYdp43R2xyxvJhOdfM[1].jpg")
>>79148501
>>79148504
>mfw nofw tbqhwyf
If women make 80% of what a man makes for the same amount of work, why don't companies hire only women and save 20%?
>>79150607
Sorry meant to say that 'earn less for the exact same work' is a flat out lie.
>>79148368
It is actually a textbook definition of a meme: the phrase got repeated often enough that people adopted it and now use it without actually knowing anything about it.
The truth is that there is (if anything) an earnings gap, not a wage gap, but people are too stupid to realize the difference between the two and just simply repeat the meme. Here are some reasons as to why there is a gap in earnings between men and women:
>Women work less hours than men
>Women take more days off than men
>Women work less years of their life than men
>Women make different career choices than men
>Women study different subjects at university than men
>Men work the hard labor jobs
>Men work the dangerous jobs
If you need additional arguments to leave wage gap proponents dumbfounded:
>Paying different wages for the exact same work, in the exact same position and with the exact same background of the employee, is illegal in pretty much any western country. So according to you, thousands upon thousands of employers around the western world are breaking the law on a daily basis without any fear of consequences?
>Why are there not dozens of law firms that specialize in representing women who have been illegally paid incorrect wages?
>Why are there no big companies who exclusively, or at least semi-exclusively, hire women, since they could just pay them less money than they would have to pay men?
>Do you think it plausible that the general public has fallen victim to a meme here, which blatantly confuses the terms 'earnings' and 'wages'?
>Don't you think that employers would be incredibly afraid of today's judicial system, if they were blatantly discriminating against women in the millions? Keep in mind that modern/western judicial systems tend to rule heavily in favor of women.
At this point you will obviously be called the usual buzzwords, but you will have won the argument.
>>79149731
>why women are choosing lower paying roles and working less
So it's their fault that they're making less then? They could work in dangerous (buy high-paying) jobs like working in oil rigs, crab fishing, mining, but they choose not to. They could work in jobs requiring higher mental faculties, but (again) they don't.
Yet they blame men when they get what they deserve, and what they deserve is less than what men do.
Feminism (and leftism, in general) is a mental illness. Sexbots can't come soon enough.
>>79150337
You made me laugh, you asshole.
>>79150337
incorrect, there is no "if it exists"
rule 34 reads "there is porn of it, no exceptions"
nice try better luck next time new friend
>>79148521
> tenancy to vacation
Americans don't always take the max vacation they get allowed? Top lol. Literal wage slaves.
>>79149688
That isn't how capitalism works.
>>79148368
If you've ever had to work with a woman in a field that requires any thinking ability whatsoever, you'll know that 99% of them are fucking retards that couldn't get by a day without a man doing their work for them. There *are* intelligent and capable women, but they are pretty damned rare.
The "wage gap" complaint is actually a red herring. In a truly free market with none of this PC feminist bullshit floating around, in which people got paid for merit instead of muh feelz, the wage gap would be *even fucking higher.*
If the pay gap was real, business would hire women over men and save 20%
Oh and then get sued into oblivion, as wage discrimination laws already exist
But both of these points are ignored by wage gap memers
>>79150672
Stop mansplaining your privilege
>>79148368
Search it in r34 paheal and you will get your answer
>>79148368
With the way it is I'am surprised the ratio is only 1/0.79
Every single most paying job is dominated by males and every single least paying job is dominated by females.
>But muh paygap
Work harder if you want ot earn more
If anyone could just hire female for 4/5 of what male makes it would be dumb to ever hire any males.
>>79148368
just a meme. Now if they were comparing the same job, position, same work hours and days then I'd listen.
But I'm not going to listen to a slag bitch about why male doctors earn more then female cashiers.
>>79150672
>The truth is that there is (if anything) an earnings gap
Don't even call it a "gap". It's like getting a mail room job and demanding to be paid the same as the CEO.
All it is is pandering to stupid women with lies. There is no way that women working their sedentary """"""careers"""""" are ever going to get a 25% pay bump.
It's actually quite opposite in services.
For example I wokred as a bartender and waiter and I made 72% of what the girls I worked with made.
And I carried all shit by myself from storage and etc. I always left everything clean and in the place (bartenders would know how important that is) but bitches didn't.
>>79150947
That's why I wrote "(if anything)", to make it clear that you shouldn't go around and use the term earnings gap either. It was just for the purpose of demonstration.
>>79148368
As you can see, women keep our wages low. They fail at demanding high wages, and therefore the wages are not rising. We could all make more money
Women are stupid as niggerz.
>>79148368
propaganda
this myth is based of shit like this, after a womyn sees it and thinks "OMFGWTF THAT ISN'T FAIR!!1!!1!"
what they don't understand, and will never bother to understand, is that if not for men creating something from nothing first, and then sharing it with them, they wouldn't be making any fucking money at all.
In France, for the same job, woman are less paid.
>>79148368
Female wage is empirically lower, however on all the studies the feminazis state, only 2-3% of the difference is explained by variation in regression. Most of the other reason for the gap, is preferences for less hours worked, less physical jobs, maternity leaves, desire to raise kids over advancing to the highest level of a career.
The myth that it is because women are just paid less cause of their vagina is retarded, if it were true all companies would be staffed by women who have cheaper labor of the same value.
>>79148368
It's propaganda, and honestly I'm fucking AMAZED people still fucking fall for this shit.
It's very clearly illegal to pay someone less for the exact same work. What idiots don't take into account is this.
>Man working job A makes $50 an hour
>Woman working job A also makes $50 an hour
>Man works 40 hours a week, meanwhile woman works 20 hours
>Woman proceeds to bitch and moan when she finds out man is getting paid more, for working more hours, BIG FUCKING SHOCKER
The other case is when a man works a real fucking job and makes bank, but a woman takes a gender studies tier job and makes shit, then this info gets made into skewed statistics of MEN MAKE MORE, HOW IS THIS FAIR?
>>79148368
It's real but it's used falsely to imply that women earn less doing the same job and the same amount of work which is not true.
It all comes to down life choices men and women make. But saying that out loud will hurt fragile feelings of women which is the ultimate crime in leftist books.
>>79151138
>People honestly think womens basketball stars should be paid the same as mens
They would be right, if they had the same number of dedicated fans tuning in and buying tickets. Womens basketball, no, sports in general, is fucking torture to watch
>>79148521
Source me up senpai
>>79150672
And there are simply different numbers of employed men and women. That's also a factor.
>>79148368
It's real.
And if women want to take action to fix it, they should start by working as hard as men.
>>79151157
Isn't that illegal?
>>79148521
The best part is that when they did divide it by fields, they did stuff like include Economics alongside Gender Studies.
>>79151360
They take the average.
>>79148368
Tell me how many women are working on oil rigs, as miners, electricians, waste disposal?
if it were real companies would hire all women and pay them less than men. Women suck ass at work and so you need men to get shit done
>>79148368
Propaganda. Virtually no one complains when you tell them electrical engineers make more than kindergarten teachers.
>pay gap
bullshit
>wage gap
bullshit^2 in fact, most western countries have this outlawed (I wonder why no feminist ever mentioned Equal Pay Act of 1963)
>income median gap
This is true, but unless woman pick up more well payed jobs (and those are the hard and dangerous ones) nothing will change
Communism will not fix this, unless you start paying everyone the same no matter the job they do. And in that case, why would anyone risk our life welding underwater in arctic sea, or coal mining if you get paid the same working in a little zoo feeding cute wabbits.
>>79148731
Anyone who complains about people calling them "bossy" doesn't deserve a leadership position.
>>79148439
DELETE THIS
Tough to say isn't it. If you've found yourself going "there is no gender pay gap -- women are just shit at their jobs and they don't work as hard." Then very likely women are being discriminated against by people like you.
You anti-feminists are so bizarre sometimes. You can't argue that women are blowing everything out of proportion when you are also pumping out a bunch of shit about how women are worthless.
Buuut, I don't think it's accurate. It's an average taken against all workers of all ages. If a young woman wants to earn a lot of money she can do. If she'd struggle to negotiate a better salary then she needs to get the fuck over that because the world isn't built to hand out meek people money.
>>79148368
I've studied this.
The last hard data I saw was from 2014 and the "wage" gap (really, income) not due to controlled-for factors (everything they could think of) was 4%. It's narrowed since then, the previous trend shows that it should have. So we're talking 2, maybe 3%, easily explainable through unconscious bias in handing out non-wage payments; management tends to be a boys club so you probably end up slightly more biased towards giving your friends a bigger bonus, and your friends are usually guys.
In other words, it's no big deal, any attempt to solve this 'problem' would have to go full socialist (and is a terrible idea), so ignore it.
>>79148368
it's real
>man does difficult job and is compensated proportional to the effort and risk required
>woman chooses to do easy job where she can sit around chatting with other women half the day
>woman gets upset when she gets paid less than man
Wage discrimination used to exist, usually justified by believing the women not to be the primary breadwinners of the house and mostly just doing it as a hobby. But then the Supreme Court made it illegal and legislation later was made to make it very easy to spot out and call out. So the liberals changed their goalpost, removed the "for the same job" aspect and tried to pass it off as if nothing has changed.
This all happened decades ago, mind you.
>>79148368
It's real but you can see why jsut from the subtitle of your picture
"all full time working"
"all"
If it was "college educated full time working" then the gap is tiny. Because the majority of the gap is in two places.
1. The very top: Hedgefund managers and corporate lawyers who make squillions are almsot all men and jews.
2. working class people: For men without college edcuaiotn, well they can be a plumber or some other lucrative trade and make plenty of money. For women, they can be a receptionist... or a cashier.
See also the RACE wage gap (Asians earn the most) or the religion wage gap I wonder (((who))) makes the msot there!
>>79150337
basically what this annon said it does not exist because there is no porn of it
>>79149731
>Not controlling for occupation
That's the very issue. The crusade against pc culture has nothing to do with the average person online calling others niggers, kikes and spics. That's just juvenile. (However, /pol/ is all about juvenile)
The real issue is that it's become politically incorrect to say that people affect their own success with their own choices. When people say that women are payed less, it's somehow taboo to say "well, I think their own choices in career and education might affect this" or anything similar.
Women are free to do pretty much anything a man is in the western world, and there are plenty of women that do. You, unlike most that keep on saying the same old tired bullshit at least understand that investigating if they are being discriminated is the right call if there is suspicion of such a thing. Coming from a country with free university education, I see the same patterns of women not pursuing degrees in the STEM fields, but rather going for arts degrees and becoming home economics teachers. If there is no wage gap between people in the same field in with the controls in place, the most logical explanation is that the choices a woman makes influence their pay. What can we do if blaming people for their own choices is not pc? This only applies very slightly to this issue, as people are beginning to see things rationally.
Now, you have black people going "fuck tha police" in a slum, where companies cannot invest due to rampant crime, keeping black people in a perpetual cycle of poverty generation after generation. What to do if you cannot say that it's their fault for having a culture for disrespecting the police, and that they need more police overwatch instead of less to get out of this cycle? See how Asians had the same problem in the US, but broke the chain and rose above whites in earnings?
>>79151730
>every poster who says something I don't like is the same person making the exact same argument
You're a woman, aren't you?
>>79148368
Warped statistics formulated to give the neo-marxists another platform to stand upon in 2016.
Think about it. Women have abortion, child custody preference, better healthcare options than men, better college/university pass rates, ofc they have run out of legitimate complaints so now they create bogeymen with "rape culture" and "wage gap".
>>79151946
We waz farmers ;_;
>>79148991
good sauce senpai
>>79152307
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>>79149731
>blatantly lying is fine as long as it might tangentially call attention to something completely unrelated
Thank you for your contribution.
>>79148368
>women on average take lower paying jobs than men
>womens average wage is lower than mens
>average
wooooooooooooooooooow
>>79152407
Chruch?
>>79148439
fpbp
>>79152366
Stop oppressing white people, rare.
>>79152240
is it a coincidence that all of these women are nasty looking hags?
>>79152366
>>79153271 Kek, I'll try
>>79153720
>>79150337
really makes you think
I'd say it's real, but the real figures are probably offset by footballers and other athletes who earn stupid amounts of money compared to women. You know, seeing as though people actually care about men's sports
>>79148368
if you work 79% of what a man works... you earn only 79% of what a man earns
>>79148368
It's a meme.
If you split men into two groups, say, by their work experience. Men with least work experience in one group, men with most work experience in the other group.
Then if you took the average salary of these two groups, you'd probably see similar results to the famed "gender wage gap". Why? Because people with more work experience get paid more than people with less work experience.
You could divide them by many different things. Work experience, hours worked in a period, etc. and you'd get similar results.
"Gender wage gap" is simply all of the workforce divided into two groups: Men and female. Their average salary taken, and lo and behold, you have the gender wage gap.
It doesn't help the issue that women tend to gravitate towards low-paying jobs more than men, like teachers etc. And men go more towards higher paying jobs, like factories.
>>79148368
Even Huffington Post says it's propaganda.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html
>>79155605
>Christina Hoff Summers
It's based mom who knows this.
Huff post a shit
>>79155767
True. Hadn't realized , but she uses the study from some feminist thing..and the link is dead. My bad, was just so surprised Huff would even publish the article.
>>79148368
The "wage gap" is a biased myth perpetrated by leftist bigots who believe any amount of contrary data that disproves their claims is somehow "racist", "misogynistic", or somehow bigoted because it doesn't fit with their bogus ideology. Really, leftism is less a political position and more a dangerous ideology that's gained traction in the current generation due to educational facilities like universities giving overtly emotional retards a platform and failing to censor them. At the end of the day, the "wage gap" is a failed attempt to create a one-sided dialogue based on cherry-picked data.
I don't like Milo too much, but this video is pretty much all you need when dealing with leftist myths and the unsubstantiated claims their more "vocal" supporters spew.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCcp36n2cDg
>>79149650
Can you fix gays?
>>79156192
You're almost there. It's not ideological, it's more cynical than that.
They know the truth, but the lie generates clicks, funding for their charities, and grants for their professorships. It's just an industry generating its own demand.
>>79155930
np
also check this
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/
only 4 articles, and no after 2013
I guess huff post reclined their invitation for her
>>79151946
It has nothing to do with PC you dumb cunt. The question is WHY do women choose lower paying fields, or WHY do they earn less?
Sure, if you want to attribute some of it to less ambition you can, but the fact of the matter is that many lower paying jobs are overwhelmingly female, and top positions are overwhelmingly male.
I never said or implied anything about pursuing affirmative action or women-only recruitment - all I said was that the wage gap can be used to answer different questions and the question of occupational choice is of great interest to policymakers.
>>79150715
Not all high paying jobs are dangerous and no one expects women to work in them just for higher pay.
Technically its their fault, but that not to say that their occupational choice is affected by w/e forces that exist such as discrimination, culture, social class and so on.
Its incredibly naive to think that women work in lower paying jobs simply because they choose to and because they're less ambitious/lazy.
>>79150339
>What is econometrics.
Its lot laughably false by the way. Even if you control for a million different things there still exists a (smaller) pay gap.
See reply to other post to answer second part of your post.
>>79157070
>WHY do women choose lower paying fields
Why are there no women in oil rigs or coal mines
Why do they all have comfortable office jobs that are very easy to do and require no education
>>79157144
>All high paying jobs are on oil rigs.
>WHat is finance?
>What is law?
>What is management?
(Generally) Women aren't suited to jobs on oil rigs or in construction.
>>79149284
>he doesnt know that majority of pol is shills and pastas.
>>79148368
the gap exists, but it mostly exists because of diffrent life choices
Take Sweden for an example, women chooses to a higher degree than men, to work in public sector, which means a lower wage and often less hours
Men in a higher degree chooses to work in the private sector and this comes with higher wages and more working hours, which isnt strange, private sector isnt funded by taxpayers money
So really its a political decision, in Sweden the unions and "job-creators" decieds the rules and wages for people in diffrent job sectors by making deals, and in the public sector the "job-creators" are politicians on diffrent levels, so politicians could have made changes to this if they wanted
But its to expensive, our goverment would rather spend billions on migrants
>>79157269
I forgot to check the flag sorry
Once and for all.
It is real, ***BUT*** the reason why it's real is because men and women tend to work in different fields, and take on different positions in said fields.
It's no discrimination. It's just women picking shitty jobs in general.
>>79148368
it has to do more with career choices and taking time out of career to raise a family. If women really were cheaper, Men wouldn't be getting hired AT ALL in any field because of that sweet, sweet 21% less labor cost.
In industries like Porn and service jobs, sex sells and women generally get paid more anyway.
>>79157306
Do you really think we need this explained? Are you from 2008? If so, I'd recommend you build a shed...will soon come in handy.
>>79148368
>Is it real, or just a meme/propaganda?
It is very, very real.
Men use the extra money to pay for their male privilege
>>79157346
t. Linkavitch Chomofsky
>>79157508
>Do you really think we need this explained?
clearly you dont since you are such an intellectual elite
>>79148368
How many women have you ever known that have spent a 16 hour day unloading, installing, and calibrating industrial machinery off the back of an 18 wheeler?
>>79157070
>I never said or implied anything about pursuing affirmative action or women-only recruitment - all I said was that the wage gap can be used to answer different questions and the question of occupational choice is of great interest to policymakers.
When did I say that you said anything like that?
I applauded you for NOT doing that.
>It has nothing to do with PC you dumb cunt. The question is WHY do women choose lower paying fields, or WHY do they earn less?
This has a lot to do with PC culture. The whole question of "why" is virtually unanswerable without saying that women and men are fundamentally different. There is a very good reason that women take less risks, and all of those reasons are not simply explainable by societal constructs. This is why PC culture has much to do with this.
You call me a dumb cunt, and you return with idiotic crap like this? Really?
>>79157698
>When did I say that you said anything like that?
I applauded you for NOT doing that.
My mistake.
>This has a lot to do with PC culture. The whole question of "why" is virtually unanswerable without saying that women and men are fundamentally different. There is a very good reason that women take less risks, and all of those reasons are not simply explainable by societal constructs. This is why PC culture has much to do with this.
They are though. Its not 100% fact, but I don't think its simply different choices based solely on their preferences.
I don't mean literal sexism is what is causing different occupational choice, but less obvious factors such as boys might be encouraged to be competitive and pursue highly paid jobs while less pressure/encouragement is on girls. There are countless things you can attribute it to, and I don't think it can be explained as simply as you think.
I'm not a leftist by the way, I just think the gender pay gap DOES exist, except people use incorrectly to mislead people.
>>79148368
Women predominantly enter fields of their own choosing (do not forget this) that do not provide as much money as their male counterparts. Also doesn't help when they fucking burn through whatever money they have on clothes, travel, over-priced housing and beauty. Women can be Machiavellian masters when it comes to money just look at any con woman and alpha bitches. Beta fuckers shower them with gifts and the women don't even have to use sex to retain victims. Women that don't know how to get money are retarded and are victims to typical female thinking (women can't do math meme).
>>79148368
http://www.women.anz.com/at-anz/we-are-bridging-the-super-gap
Hows one of the banks here in Australia saying they are trying to 'close the gap' by giving all of their female employees an extra $500 in their super (retirement fund) a year even though all of their employees get pay parity. One of my mates who works there says that they are even trying to get more females into management and executive positions just because they want it to be equal. Fuck the guy who has been working his ass of for the last 10 years suzie over there has a cunt between her legs and we need more cunts in charge and here suzie have an extra $500 a year while we're at it. I swear PC is fucking this country
>>79150993
Tits get tips. Get a better job.
>>79148368
Outright lie.
Work the same job for the same hours with the same qualifications/experience you will get the exact same pay.
Why don't women have all the jobs then? There is no business that wouldn't kill to cut employment costs by 20%.
>>79148501
>their hair changes to red
It's the little things.
>>79148439
This, the wage gap is real, but not because of sexism
Women just don't work high paying jobs. I'm a welder, I make around £2000 a week on a good month. I know ZERO female welders
>>79150672
saved
>>79151157
Go back to nuit debout you faggot, that's totally untrue
>>79156320
he's a mechanic not a miracle worker
>>79161506
There are a few at my college, but the ratio of Men:Women is still there.
What types do you do?
It's a lie. Women in STEM always end up in jobs that are usually filled by women. They could work in a STEM field for a while but they always go into the jobs that cater to women in the end. Look at any government report in your country and it will tell you the same thing.
Everyone is trying to get more women and minorities into STEM fields, there's so many incentives, scholarships, and job opportunities for women out there to do so, but they just don't stick with it.
>>79161664
99% is welding up the floors/exhausts of old rusty cars for £50/h
I used to do some boilermaking but the fumes really fuck with your head. At one point I left the workshop and started hallucinating helicopters flying around the parking lot, so I stopped with that
>>79156466
>They know the truth, but the lie generates clicks, funding for their charities, and grants for their professorships. It's just an industry generating its own demand.
Seems counter-intuitive to rely on a cynical platform that not only instigates violent rebuttals from its supporters, but also shows its true shades in light of contrary evidence and falls apart at the seams when faced with hard facts. Then again, every generation has a weird surplus of blind sheep who support even the most asinine thing to feel their existence is somehow validated.
>>79148368
The difference is real, but women don't understand where it spawns from.
From a bosses perspective, would you promote a man who dedicates to his job for the rest of his life,
Or a woman that "decides" to work parttime, because she has to has kids and now all of a sudden motherhood is more important than the job?
The difference in pay is not based on discrimination of woman. It is based on a logical reasoning of their value to a company:
1. They are a less reliable source of labor, because they nearly always prefer motherhood over the job
2. They already have special rights etc. to compensate for their lower pay, like maternity leave, the option to work parttime, No XD gotta pick up the kids sorry dude. ETC.
>>79159296
LOL.
In Austria bartending doesnt pay slave wages.
You can live off bartending here.
>>79162617
No.
The pay gap myth originates from a different statistic.
Obviously if you work overtime, youll get payed more.
This statistic refers to taking all jobs, adding them together and comparing them to total pay earned on both sides of the sexes.
>surprise surprise 99% male engineers earn more total than 99% female nail salon workers
>>79150798
In america you can take your vacation hours and cash them out. I know many people who have 2 weeks vacation, but cash out at least a week.
>>79151354
Not that guy, but Warren Farrel's "Why Men Make More" lays it out pretty well.
>>79149728
Lmao is that real?
>>79163017
Wrong, assumption. Like the majority of this tread you think that woman make less money because they do different sorts of work.
Woman get paid less for the same job as well.
>>79148368
look at the sources in your pic and work it out for yourself
>>79162617
>>79163017
The myth is also further dismissed by a simple fact about economics: If you can pay a woman a substantially-less salary than a man, why would you bother hiring a male in the first place?
The left doesn't understand how modern economics works and hopes everyone else is just as ignorant. Unfortunately, every generation manages to have a substantial amount of shit-eating retards who believe whatever the left regurgitates.
>>79148368
Meme, women major in fields that generally pay less. While men major in higher paying ones like stem. That's why on average they don't make as much as men
>>79148368
Its not as bullshit as females wanting equality in the military. A women needs to do a males minimum to max score on fitness tests. Females then boast how they are stronger than you because they did 41 pushups and scored 100 and you did 67 and scored 92. Its bullshit.
>>79150757
Stupid Fucking Leaf...
Canadian education, everyone
>>79163954
Not him, but what does having a proper education have to do with being versed in internet lingo from over 10 years ago? One could even surmise you've wasted more time on being internet-smart rather than spending time on education and getting a career.
>>79164157
>Not him
>board with IDs
newfag
>>79161506
Also walk by a construction site. Like 95% men.
>>79164223
I don't browse /pol/ very often and when I do, it's to see if they're talking about things relevant to my interests.
>>79161506
No girls were talking about comfy jobs. Hard jobs are for racist white men.
>>79148666
Satan understands the rules
>>79164618
I'm just havin a laff snownigger don't take it personally
>>79150672
Perfect sum-up, thank you
>>79150798
I do, but that's cause I'm a lazy fuck and I don't like working. Lots of people just take overtime instead of compensatory time. People are always chasing dollars because they are bad at finances and are always "keeping up with the Jones." Meanwhile I work 30-40% less than they do and am perfectly financially secure with a large emergency/retirement account.
Basically Freud and Bernays fucked us.
