Daily reminder that religion was BTFO by Russell's Teapot, and Betrand Russell in general
> The whole conception of God is a conception derived from the ancient Oriental despotisms. It is a conception quite unworthy of free men. When you hear people in church debasing themselves and saying that they are miserable sinners, and all the rest of it, it seems contemptible and not worthy of self-respecting human beings.
>here are a great many ways in which, at the present moment, the church, by its insistence upon what it chooses to call morality, inflicts upon all sorts of people undeserved and unnecessary suffering. And of course, as we know, it is in its major part an opponent still of progress and improvement in all the ways that diminish suffering in the world, because it has chosen to label as morality a certain narrow set of rules of conduct which have nothing to do with human happiness; and when you say that this or that ought to be done because it would make for human happiness, they think that has nothing to do with the matter at all. "What has human happiness to do with morals? The object of morals is not to make people happy."
>Love as a relation between men and women was ruined by the desire to make sure of the legitimacy of children.
>The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot coexist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue.
>The desire to understand the world and the desire to reform it are the two great engines of progress without which human society would stand still or retrogress.
I don't know who that is, but religion's been getting blown the fuck out since it came into existence.
>all these random asserts with no defense
>again
"No"
>>79133976
>religion accusing atheism of making random assertions with no defense
Pot you are calling the kettle black.
>>79133516
God that image is so cringeworthy.
>>79134402
>putting words in my mouth now
"No"
>>79133976
>>79134478
hey look the christfag is getting mad
Daily reminder that atheism is communism and Bertrand Russell was a socialist supporter of the Soviet Union, a regime that killed +20 million people.
>>79133516
Atheism, nihilism, and moral relativity have destroyed western white civilization.
It's not even a good ideology it has massive philosophical problems from the get go. Here are 2 things that an atheist has to accept. If you deny one of these two things and call yourself an atheist you are in denial.
1. The universe came into existence for no reason. There is no meaningful explanation for the existence of this universe, or reality as we know it. Existence is utterly meaningless.
2. There is no such thing as morality and right or wrong. If you want to go shoot up a kindergarten, an atheist cannot call it an evil act. There is no good and evil.
>>79133516
al those guys are liars and frauds
>>79135035
and jews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism
>>79133516
Russel's teapot isn't an argument against religion. It's just a justification for being an atheist over an agnostic when someone says "IF YOU CAN'T PROVE GOD DOESN'T EXIST YOU CAN'T BE ATHEIST".
>>79135023
1. Who the fuck cares? If there is meaning, here you are talking to me, cunt.
2. Even a 5yo can understand that killing people is not beneficial for him or the people around him.
>>79135530
>1. Who the fuck cares?
If there are no morals, then nothing is morally reprehensible and everything from white lies to baby rape is A-OK.
>If there is meaning, here you are talking to me, cunt.
How is that "meaningful"?
>2. Even a 5yo can understand that killing people is not beneficial for him or the people around him.
>beneficial
"Beneficial" is in itself making a moral assertion. Try again, retard.
>>79135530
> Who the fuck cares?
It doesn't strike you as bizzare that we are floating around or a rock in a black void for no reason? That reality and all of existence is just here for no reason? This might as well be a fever dream. It's strikes me as unacceptably bizarre that this entire complex universe just happens to exist for no reason.
> not beneficial for him or the people around him.
But that's irrelevant. It's meaningless whether or not it's beneficial to any body. Everything we do is intrinsically meaningless.
>>79133516
>DeGrasseTyson
Lolno. Muslim sympathizer. Anyone who refers to the "Islamic Golden Age" is a terrorist.
>muh teapot
>muh "holding back progress"
>muh "morality is a social construct"
Shouldn't you be doing a summer book report on Huckleberry Finn or something, Harold?
>>79133516
>women
>capable as the same love as men
ok buddy women have non socially imposed virtue sure thing
>>79133516
>The whole conception of God is a conception derived from the ancient Oriental despotisms.
The first sentence is literally false and you expect me to believe the rest of this shit?
>>79133516
also which religion
also freedom is an illusion
>>79135023
>Atheism, nihilism, and moral relativity have destroyed western white civilization
I'm white and I'm kicking arse at life, why do you externalise your failures?
>>79136241
Yeah it's bizzare, but that's where it ends.
Anyone who draws further conclusions from this "bizarrity" is doing so with zero proof.
Look I understand you desperately want to pretend like you know how the universe works and you've figured it all out, but you really don't know shit.
You can't just say "well I don't know how any of this bizarre shit happened so Im going to pull a fairytale out of my ass just to satisfy my curiosity." That's fucking pathetic.
I've come to realize that religion is, at its core, narcissism. People can't accept the fact that we do not matter on a cosmic scale. In fact, your egos are so blown the fuck up out of proportion that you craft this imaginary tale of a divine superpower where YOURE the center of the story. Everything is about YOU. Heaven and hell and judgements are all about you.
Swallow your ego and accept that there are some things in life that we will never ever know, like how the universe came to be. Also in the meantime stop speeding around your nonsense about how YOUR religion has figured it all out with zero evidence.
>>79135530
>2. Even a 5yo can understand that killing people is not beneficial for him or the people around him.
Says who? We're tribal by nature. If you get 2 white babies together they will pick fights with each other, if you add a brown one they will team up and fight him instead. The entirety of early civilization is trying to come up with reasons to not kill each other, because by default there is no reason not to if someone has something you want.
>>79136986
Have you been on this website for long? You do understand that western civilization is in serious decline don't you?
>>79134963
>atheism is communism
yes and catholicism is paedophilia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQkSxdAS3MI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9TMwfkDwIY
>>79137185
things are pretty good down under because we regulate our banks better than you guys
the bankers here are still ratbags but your bankers are straight out theives
Bertrand Russell, hehehehehe, He was literally a KEK, hahaha
>>79134963
> atheism is communism
And Agnosticism is anarchism
>>79135253
DELETE THIS
>>79137273
Pedophilia in the Catholic church is GAY. FAGS BTFO!!
>>79136506
>christfags claim something exist
>they cant prove it
you lose automatically. the burden of proof is on you.
>>79133516
i've spoken to god directly with words. he's real.
>>79137498
>Pedophilia in the Catholic church is GAY
kinda ironic, ain't it ?
>>79137500
>you lose automatically. the burden of proof is on you.
You realize that this is just an assertion on your part, right?
>>79137500
That's why they say they have FAITH!!!
>>79137612
Well, people who are predators look for the easiest weakest link and that job places them in the perfect position. Sad but true.
>Putting bill Nye, science black man, and george Carlin in the same painting as Nietzsche and Socrates
Fucking reddit
>>79137406
>muh GDP
What's australia birthrate? Is drug abuse and suicide going up or down? Divorce rate? Statistical Samples of young people who plan to get married? Satisfaction with politicans or the future?
Don't talk shit when you don't even know the fundamentals you fucking kangaroo.
>>79137090
>draws further conclusions from this "bizarrity" is doing so with zero proof.
You are conflating science with philosophy. Yes there is no empirical "proof" of God's existence, but as an explanation for the existence of the Universe there is a rational reason to believe that God exists.
God as a philosophical object satisfies the philosophical problems I outlined in my earlier post.
Science uses models all the time. The big bang theory is a model. So is evolution. If you think these things came to pass exactly as they are written in textbooks then you misunderstand their purpose.
God can be considered a philosophical model. There is nothing rationally wrong with using God as a model for these universal problems.
>>79137090
You don't even understand how religion works; atheists seem to talk too much about "proof" and "timelines" and outer-fucking-space as if it matters. Simply put, they try to act as if the end of religion is "proving God."
Religion isn't about "which denomination" or "don't masturbate." Religion is about mankind's place in reality. It is about transcendental, metaphysical truth.
>>79137500
>atheists claim there is no God
>it is unknown whether or not God exists
Atheists hold the burden of proof to agnostics.
>>79136241
The problem with religion is it does not give a purpose either. With a god there still is no meaning or purpose to the universe. It just exists because some entity demands it does. That's no different than the universe just existing for its own existence. You've simply added another step to purpose in which you absolve your brain of thinking of one or creating your own by assuming a creator has a meaning and purpose for you, that will eventually be revealed somehow.
It's just irresponsible and lazy.
>atheism: hey there's no meaning or purpose to life so let's go find one or make one!
>religon: hey there's meaning and purpose to life and God knows what it is, but you gotta sit there and wait to find out, cuck
Which one is better for advancement and quality of life? Atheism is.
>>79138403
this guy put it very well.
Well said anon.
>>79138520
Well I disagree with you.
If you accept that God created the universe purposely, than the universe is fulfilling it's purpose by existing.
The difference is that with Atheism, the universe doesn't exist intentionally. It cannot be purposeful because it exists through some meaningless cosmic fluctuation.
>>79138520
>religon: hey there's meaning and purpose to life and God knows what it is, but you gotta sit there and wait to find out, cuck
For one thing, not all religions are the same in this regard. For another, no religion says this. Christians understand their place within creation, a big part of it is knowing where you stand now and where you will stand in the hereafter. The plan is Create Humans -> Fuck Around -> Reckoning, the details of step 2 are largely irrelevant and petty things concerning only this world.
>atheism: hey there's no meaning or purpose to life so let's go find one or make one!
Most atheists I've seen don't do this. They use the concept to try and tear down what others have built up. It is not a creative effort, it is not an imaginative effort that seeks to elevate themselves or mankind, it is a petty base effort that tears away at what others have created until everyone wallows in the same lack of purpose.
>>79138403
Religion is about controlling the masses.
Science is about mankind's place in reality and measuring that reality. Nothing religion has ever offered has been anything but philosophical. It's only through reality that we can shape reality. We cannot shape reality with falsehoods and fiction, only cloud it.
>>79139074
You'd have to know what gods purpose for creation is, and you don't because you cannot know god, by its own definition.
You're still stuck in the same square, but you've absolved your brain from concerning yourself with purpose because you've deluded yourself into thinking one has already been set for you by some power you can't even comprehend.
>>79139090
Nobody understands their place in creation. That's what you're not getting. Christians wave away the problem of purpose by handing it off to a higher power and ignoring it with the idea that it's been taken care of by his glorious plan, whatever that is.
I have yet to find a religion that demonstrates a purpose without first going through a deity and relying on the fact that it's a deity so explaining anything is either heresy or irrelevant because "lol its god".
It's the same issue with fiction and magic. "It's magic I ain't gotta explain shit".
You'll find atheists use the concepts to tear down bullshit and naive garbage people have built up to delude themselves. It's a good thing to not live your life trusting everything will be okay because power in the sky has it all within his plan. If it's all part of a plan, it's all preset. If it's preset there is no real meaning or purpose and you're STILL back at square one.
this post is too euphoric
>>79139266
You keep spewing Reddit memes instead of addressing my point. But okay.
>Science is about mankind's place in reality and measuring that reality.
Science is about observing the physical world. Whether you're calculating the blast radii of supernovas or measuring how long the caterpillars in your backyard are, you're just observing physical processes and perhaps going on to use those results when observing other, related physical processes. Religion is metaphysical by definition.
>Nothing religion has ever offered has been anything but philosophical.
As opposed to what? Fucking pie recipes? Philosophy is what religion most pertains to.
>>79140893
I have never been to Reddit but I apologize if anything I've said was similar to the memes they use there.
The only processes are physical ones. Abstraction and metaphysical ideas only exist within our brains and aren't empirical or demonstrateable in the same way the length of caterpillars are.
>as opposed to what
Actual progress, invention and improvement?
>>79138204
literally none of those metrics indicates "the decline of civilisation"
we still have the rule of law, low corruption, independant judiciary, opportunities for individual success
you know, the actual things that are important to civilisation
>>79138403
>metaphysical truth
that's what they call an oxymoron
>>79142145
And he's what you call an actual moron.
>>79142246
attack the argument, not the person.
>>79133516
Wait wait.
>Everyones a miserable sinner
What do SJW's say??
>Everyones a miserable racist.
HORY SHEET.
>>79142587
I was making a joke but okay take it seriously.
>>79141398
>Anything experienced mentally can be boiled down to science
That doesn't mean it doesn't have value. I think that this is so because a force outside of objective measurability; you do not. We are back at square one, except you keep stating your own theory as the more "scientific" even though science, by the definition of religion, can not define it.
>Actual progress, invention and improvement?
You mean like >>79134963? I'd rather be religious and wrong.
Also please look up Islamic Astrology or the Jesuits before you call the religious "anti-scientific."
I hate armchair philosophers.
You know the motto of science? "I don't know"
This is how you think from a completely objective point of view:
Is there a god or gods? I don't know.
Is there civilizations in the Mariana trench? I don't know.
Are there aliens? I don't know.
Could there be creatures that live under the earth's surface? I don't know.
We know nothing but Atheists like to believe they know everything.
>>79133516
Didn't even open. Bunch of anti-Western cucks who lost their own civilizations and are going to die begging for their lives when the Muslims take over.
>>79143001
You're literally admitting that God doesn't exist within our reality, which is LITERALLY putting him in the same place as superman: fiction.
You'd rather be religious than wrong because people kill eachother? Got a newsflash for you, slowpoke: many, many more deaths than 20 million have been caused by religion.
I'll align myself with the side that's killed the least people in its name, thanks.
I'm not calling the religious anti-scientific, but really, it's pretty obvious that you're gonna label yourself as part of a religion when the alternative is getting murdered. No shit a ton of inventors and philosophers have been religious, they would have been publicly executed in their times if they claimed otherwise.
>>79143006
You realize religion claims to know, while atheism claims to have the presence of mind to actually go searching, right?
We do know things. The problem is things change from how we know them, so what we know is also changing. Religion stops this with an eternal answer that gets you dead if you question it.
>>79143819
>You realize religion claims to know
let me stop you right there, paly waly
Religion is based on faith. Faith means there is no evidence, you just have faith or believe, knowing a lack of evidence exists. Kind of like trust.
>>79143878
Faith is just another way of saying you know, without actually having any evidence to back it up.
>>79144093
yeah
>>79133516
I have been presented 0 evidence that God is real, I have also been given 0 evidence that there is no God, only that the universe could in fact have begun without one.
So I guess it's like a Schrodingers' Deity kind of thing
>>79144119
Yeah, so that's fucking retarded an no sane person should ever claim to know anything without some sort of evidence, yet here we are, with a specific word made up to define that very concept, and that concept used to perpetuate religion and willfully ignorance.
>>79144481
the irony
fucking kek
>>79133516
>God is only there to make you miserable for being to smart. How can anyone else not think exactly the way I do? I'm happy not being a Christian, so the rest of you should too.
>Don't have kids I hate society. Kids can't make you happy. My family line is worthless because a lot of really smart people tell me my life has to be worthless.
>You shoul cuck your significant other because like everyone already knows that's is fine. No one else is hurt through being dishonest, I mean like everyone just has no self control.
It's all just mindless opinions on certain concepts without any actual argument prepared behind them other than "u just wrong and u know it"
Religion is inherently peaceful and the most powerful moral compass on the planet. The many prophets all brought messages of peace and love and the path to fulfilment. The violent actions of religious people are the result of the ruthless primitive cultures that existed before religion. For example the middle east has always been a place of violence and blaming Islam is ignorant given how young the religion is. To the contrary Muhammud was given a message of peace and unity to make the already violent world a better place. Humans are sinful not the books that tell them not to be.
>>79144606
What's ironic?
>>79143643
Okay are you absolutely sure you aren't from Reddit?
But here. I made a chart.
>it's pretty obvious that you're gonna label yourself as part of a religion when the alternative is getting murdered. No shit a ton of inventors and philosophers have been religious, they would have been publicly executed in their times if they claimed otherwise.
No True Scotsman.
>>79145658
he has faith in his rationality, you don't get it?
>>79145847
Pretty sure he has evidence to support his rationalization, not just blind faith.
>>79144735
>>Religion is inherently peaceful and the most powerful moral compass on the planet
Why is it then that there are so many religious wars? Why is it then that most crime is commited by theists? Why the is a country that Sweden, a country that was secular and peaceful, has become a shithole headed for the 3rd world since they imported a bunch of theists (refugees)?
>>The many prophets all brought messages of peace and love and the path to fulfilment.
Have you even read the bible or the quran?
>>79145926
why do you have faith in your rationality? You are the product of time, chance, and matter, geared towards passing on your genes and survival, why should you have any reason to have faith in your reasoning faculties?
>>79145836
Sorry but none of that means anything when the premise it's built on is arbitrary and made up in the first place.
In order for your explanation and diagram to mean anything, you have to, and did, redefine reality. Theists, as you have shown, redefine reality to include things that are metaphysical and therefore non-empirical.
While actual reality, is simply what we can observe. Anything supposed to be outside of this is abstract and has no place within reality. You're using an abstract idea to support a claim of reality.
Lastly, that's only a no true Scotsman fallacy if you infer what I said as applying to every single inventor and philosopher who claimed religious ties, which I did not.
>>79146210
This is like asking why I should have faith that my legs will move when I think it.
God's real if mindless social apes have to try so hard to debunk him.
>>79146511
we have faith that the universe can be understood through rationality, that's why science works
>>79146358
>you have to, and did, redefine reality ((from my own standard))
>actual reality, is simply what we can observe
You're doing *exactly* what the second paragraph of the chart explained. I've said this so many times I feel like you're fucking rusing me or some shit.
The chances that someone will take the red pill are already low. Add atheism into that mix and the chance for having both becomes astronomically lower.
Anon, enjoy what we share in common. Don't push the envelope too much, some people cant handle their loss of belief and become SJWs or take other forms of degenerates in spite of the teachings of Christianity.
It was under the rise of Abrahamic religions that laid the foundations for Western civilization and it got us this far until secular marxist ideologies took over the left. I've only just realized this, and I've realized most people will just replace their loss of religion for another, weaker ideology like feminism, MRAs, or PUAs.
>>79137290
peter hitchens beliefs in god ? , i never knew this the right brother died
