>FREEDOM AIN'T FREE
>/pol/ will defend the American healthcare system
>>79119495
I'm not a degenerate infested with fag disease STD'S
How else would the innocent well-intentioned merchants get their billions of shekels you inconsiderate nazi bigot?
>Hep C meds... all paid for by your insurance.
Thanks for making me pay for you fucking dirty whores or shooting up.
ignore, dumb and gay reddit repost
>>79119495
buy insurance fag
it's a racket but at least it's more efficient than the NHS
>>79119495
>drug that literally cures hepatitis C
>LOL WHY SO EXPENSIVE?!
Fucking neck yourself dumbass.
>>79119495
>your insurance saved you $37803.79
Look at that, you payed fucking nothing besides your premiums and your deductible/out of pocket max. Such a tough life ;__;
>>79119495
>Insurance meant it cost him nothing
You realise in places like Britain it costs just as much but the government pays for it right you useless fuck? The pharma companies don't just say hey, the NHS is so friendly lets give them free medication!
>>79119495
If you are on any form of medication other than for treatment of a life threatening condition brought about randomly (not due to your poor life choices) you are a degenerate
>>79119495
Hep C?!
You filthy cunt.
>>79119495
that's a pretty dark thumb
>Harvoni (ledipasvir and sofosbuvir) is used to treat Hepatitis C
>>79120507
>You realise in places like Britain it costs just as much
But that's verifiably false.
>>79119495
>Jack up prices
>It milks money from the insurance companies instead of the average person
>The citizens pay nothing
How is this a bad thing?
>>79119495
>not buying generic brand over SUPER EXPENSIVE NAMED BRAND
lmao
>28 tablets
>$38k
What the fugg :-DDDD
>>79119495
Ironically enough Obamacare has actually made this shit so much worse. Almost as if that was the plan the entire time...
>>79120935
Because the insurance companies have to jack up their rates to cover their expenses, you fucking dip. The citizens ultimately still pay for it.
Yes, there is a serious problem with the American healthcare system. There isn't nearly enough deregulation, you guys should get on to that.
>>79120935
>It milks money from the insurance companies instead of the average person
>The citizens pay nothing
I want you to take a step back and think about what is wrong with this statement
>>79121102
For profit healthcare, gotta love it.
>>79119495
>paying $37000 for 13g of cheese
>>79119495
How's Fort Wayne Indiana treating you?
So he paid $0 in total. Oh my God, what a tragedy.
The healthcare industry is convoluted in every country, you should not offer opinions if you don't know anything about it.
>healthcare
>literally go bankrupt trying not to die
>everyone on the right unironically supports the pharmaceutical jew
>>79121184
Seriously anyone should be able to manufacture medicine and anyone should be able to buy it
Deregulate all drugs. END the FDA
>>79121254
>He thinks insurance companies pay 100% of the price to the pharmaceutical.
>>79121379
Better than the whole country going bankrupt paying for shitskin healthcare.
>>79119495
Dirty hep c degenerate.
>>79119495
>American
Try harder faggot
>>79121421
Yeah dude. Fuck the FDA. Thalidomide is awesome!
>>79119495
I wont defend a state manipulated system.
>>79121543
>No country has ever gone bankrupt from a nationalized healthcare system
War costs a whole fucking lot more than healthcare. Unfortunately we're the world police, so the citizens of the US get to waste money on bombs instead of chemo
>>79119495
I got hep c from sucking off a bunch of black guys in the gym locker-room. But my healthcare is free so i don't worry about shit like this, because i'm already cured. Must suck to feel like your walking on eggshells when it comes to your health.
>>79120467
>>79121368
Paid $3800 for "tests" that took 20 minutes.
>>79119495
There should be better regulation
nationalization isn't really the best solution
>>79121668
>War costs a whole fucking lot more than healthcare
Not when a disproportionate number of people in your country are over 50. The boomers would probably bankrupt the US if we created a national system overnight.
Pills are expensive because we develop the pills here and so the copyrights which incentivise these expensive developments are paid by us.
We do have problems with our healthcare system, though, but they are ones of litigative entitlement and over-medication. We have a culture of perverse incentives of entitlement that causes everyone to immediately seek reimbursement when shit happens. It is a huge economic drain on our healthcare system that no one is willing to combat because "that poor person was wronged by the big bad healthcare system." Because of that, doctors prescribe unnecessary expensive treatments, precautions, and medications to say that "they did everything they could." There is also far too much trust of medical technology when often procedures are risky and the statistics would have supported letting the body heal itself. Not to mention our intolerance to even mild irritation addicting us to the pain medication flavor of the month.
>my health insurance premiums pay for $38k homo drugs
Just nuke this fucking country
>>79119495
If you don't like it you can leave, commie faggot. Go cry more about how Bernie lost and be poor somewhere else.
>>79121762
Old people already get medicare AND social security though
>>79119495
cheaper than a liver transplant
He didnt pay anything though, kind of a bad example. Also a drug that cures sexual diseases shouldnt even be free.
>>79121606
>India
>$900
You don't buy a tv at Best Buy. You go there to scout it out and then buy it from Amazon. There's no reason to buy this medication in America when a few consultations+air travel to India would cost you $5k.
>>79120782
In Canada IIRC you make the same amount in taxes for healthcare as the average American spends a year on it.
>>79119495
Nigger it just paid for a cure to a disease that wasn't curable just a few years ago.
I can't tell if this is trolling or just liberal entitlement at work.
blame Obama
also blood transfusions can result in hep c not just degenerate shit
>>79121871
what in the hell am I looking at
>>79119495
>$37803
Just go to Mexico and buy the same drug for $20.
>>79121871
Is that a bird?
if you're healhty jsut get yourself a high deductible, low premium plan and pay cash for high-dollar shit.
If you go to the doc regularly,thouhg, you'll ge tnickeled and dimed out of your house and starve. I was given a script for a painkiller and had to take a piss test. Cost me 110 bucks to prove i wasn't on any drugs, on top of the visit and script. I might have gotten a better deal if I'd told them I have a 10k deductible.
>>79121668
You also subsidises most big pharm RnD for the rest of the world by paying more for drugs.
>>79119776
This has nothing to do with it
>>79121421
without the FDA, shit like amygdalin would be sold as "cancer curing" even though it has no cancer curing anything about it. And loads of people would suffer from cyanide poisoning thinking its curing their cancer
It's not a free-market system. The free market is how stuff get's made.
When you destroy the free market with socialism, you get Venezuela.
Only the free market can produce goods, and deliver services, in sufficient quantities, to satisfy demand to any reasonable degree. It is the only option. Everything else is just plain bull.
>>79121723
maybe stop shooting up heroin and fucking nasty cunts.
>>79121034
drug patents...
stop shitposting
>Reminder that literally everyone on here who opposes allowing all Americans to access Medicare is a paid shill.
>>79119495
I did a rotation at an infectious diseases clinic. All of these assholes get their HepC meds for free. There are 9001 different programs that pretty much guarantee anyone can get them now.
In addition, the fact that we freely hand out expensive HepC meds (as well as antiretrovirals) means that there is very little incentive to avoid getting these STDs. go ahead and have standard fuck parties of 100 dudes. Go ahead and share needles and shoot up heroin. Who cares if you contract 100 new diseases? Just get your healthcare that I pay for through my taxes to all sorts of gov't programs.
>>79122678
There would be third party manufacturer accreditation if there wasn't a FDA dumbass.
>>79122922
medicare is outdated as is social security, the private industry can do better
>>79123050
>third party manufacturer accreditation
No they fucking wouldn't
No one would blow money establishing real tests they'd slap some dumb label on it and you'd suffer just the same
>>79119495
Fucking degenerate.
>>79123022
Morons like you are why they have to start letting non-STEM people into medicine and why they are letting people focus on """public health""" instead of actually practising medicine.
>>79119495
This shit wouldn't happen if poor people actually paid their bills. Now everything's fucked because of them.
>>79123050
>There would be third party manufacturer accreditation if there wasn't a FDA dumbass.
>>79123177
You're a fucking idiot man. The whole point of accreditation agencies is they need to maintain their reputation. If they just slap their label everywhere they are meaningless.
>>79119495
So you want public healthcare like our? Do you have a fucking death wish?
>tfw live in a good country that lets me live a comfortable life on autismbux and also entitles me to free medication
>tfw if anything is ever wrong with me it wont cost me to have it treated
I'm glad that despite being a drain on resources I was also allowed the right to vote which I chose to exercise on Thursday to vote leave. God save the Queen lads.
>mandate health insurance companies must accept 100% of applicants
>mandate all citizens must buy health insurance
>do absolutely nothing to control outrageous arbitrary prices set by doctors and pharm companies
YOU'LL PAY IT THOUGH, WHATS MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR HEALTH?!!
>>79119495
The Uniform State Narcotic Drug Act is treasonous
As well as the FDA
>>79123578
That's the thing though, some just toss their bill when they get it and drop their credit rating.
>>79123422
Yeah dude just look at how well that worked for credit ratings agencies in Wall Street that were knowingly rating junk bonds way higher than they should in order to maintain their business.
>>79123422
>they'd maintain their reputation
the same way the credit rating agencies "retain" their reputation by falsely rating businesses as AAA even though their shit isn't worth dick? If the Credit agency didn't rate a business AAA the company would go find another rating agency that would rate them AAA.
Your accreditation bullshit is completely baseless and its as saying "nah they'll regulate themselves" because the NFL totally "regulated themselves" when they told their football players they were fine even though they were suffering from head trauma via concussions for YEARS.
>they'll just slap labels on it and they're meaningless
they WILL do that because they have absolutely no incentive when theres so much more going on in the back ground.
You're literally defending people buying and consuming vitamin B-17 that was falsely advertised in the 70's as a cancer curing drug until it was banned by the FDA because there were no cancer curing properties at all and people were dying to cyanide.
>get sick
>die or become a cripple for life because you don't have the money like rich people
How is that fair?
>>79121961
>move to USA
>running out of meds I brought from Australia
>go to gp for prescription
>2 visits, ~20 min each
>get bill
>$300 total
>insurance covers $100
>call up insurance company for explanation why I was charged $300 to ask a doctor for a prescription I've been taking since 13 years old
>told to call doctors office since they don't set price
>call doctors office, they me to call a company that determines their bills
>call company. They say doctor gave me a rating of 3 out of 5 for visits which means it's $150 each visit.
>they agree to reduce bill to $125 out of pocket
>now have my script
>$30 a packet at wallgreens, $15 at most chemists in Australia
> get my parent to buy me 6 months supply and ship it over instead
tl;dr use your original script and buy your drugs overseas
>>79119776
>be redditor
>dude the pharma industry is so ebil and wants you to stay sick so they can make more shekels
>whut, they dare to charge thirty thousand for curing you
As it turns out the market (patients) pay more to actually be cured, who would have thought that :^)
>>79122678
If people are too stupid to do basic research on their cancer curing miracle drug before taking it, they deserve to die of cancer.
>>79123901
>>79123901
I am so sick of this shit. The economy is not fair but neither is life. If you cannot afford to get sick then you should be working to obtain more wealth. I would rather see billions die than bend a knee to the fucking government and their socialist bullshit. I swear to god if thing keep going the way that they are going that me and my fellow brothers in arms will join and fight the socialists one very front.
Quit bitching about your $0.00 copay when you have fucking medicare you loser. Make better decisions.
>>79123952
Or just stop incessantly bitching about a place you chose to move to. Christ.
Jee it's almost as if drugs cost exorbitant amounts of money to research and develop as a company has to jump through a trillion FDA hoops for years just to have the chance of getting the drug to market with a huge risk of it never being approved to go to market.
>>79123299
>he said something related to the free market
>I'll call him an ancap and meme him
Nice one friendo
>>79124095
>I would rather see billions die than bend a knee to the fucking government and their socialist bullshit.
Why is it always THIS mindset? What is really so important in your life that you can't spare a little bit to help everyone. I am not talking full communism share the wealth and all that. But taxes are here for a reason. You don't pay someone to fix a pothole when you car hits one. You don't pay the police to show up to your house if there is a robbery. Why is parting with SOME of your money so EVERYONE can have a good life such a hard concept?
>>79123266
So what's the solution, shit for brains?
>pay 100000 for a worthless degree in womyn and gender sciences, nobody bats an eye
>cure hep c for pennies compared to what it would cost to let you die or never work again, people loose their fucking mind
>>79124044
No they fucking can't. Pharmaceuticals are such an incredibly complex operation. You actually think companies that make Tylenol actually make their aspirin themselves? You think they actually make the capsule and do the process themselves? Fuck no they don't.
The amount of disinfo that was spread about B-17 Amygdalin was enormous. You couldn't figure out who to trust until the FDA reviewed it. You're using "hurr do research" as some kind of fixall and it proves you don't know fuck about it. You magically assume the companies would regulate themselves and make honest real products even though they'd skip the years of required mandates for testing their drugs for safe consumption
>>79119495
It's like they just write random numbers on a bottle with little to no justification for it and the insurance company turns around and says "cool story bro".
>>79124326
its the content of the text that describes what he said, not the color of the picture's shirt
>>79124346
What's yours cunt?
Does /pol realize that there are non-degenerate ways to catch Hepatitis C?
>>79119495
>Not wanting socialized medicalcare means you're defending the current system
>Government will break your leg and hand you a crutch all while convincing you that if it wasn't for them you wouldn't be able to walk
http://www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html
>be doctor
>swear ancient oath to heal the sick
>break it because the sick can't pay
>become something useless like an orthopedic and make millions to play golf all day
Save a life shoot a doctor
>>79119495
Government created problem.
>>79123772
There are only 3 real credit agencies on Wall Street, and they have been legally codified into a monopoly. This is not the same as a free market at all.
>>79123883
>they WILL do that because they have absolutely no incentive
People will literally die if a drug accreditation agency doesn't perform proper tests. Do you seriously think a drug accreditation agency is going to be able to half ass their recommendations?
>>79122024
>>79120782
>>79120507
American health care companies fuck americans
>>79124691
>This is not the same as a free market at all.
So they give shit ratings even with government oversight. How does this help your argument?
>>79124774
>>79124691
>People will literally die if a drug accreditation agency doesn't perform proper tests
Hey you know what accreditation we already have?
The FDA! requiring and enforcing drug manufacturing and testing mandates and protecting people to ensure that their food and drugs are safe.
>Do you seriously think a drug accreditation agency is going to be able to half ass their recommendations?
Yes the same way that Credit Rating Agencies bullshit Business's credit ratings.
>>79119495
More a problem of the insurance and pharmaceutical industry than government health care policy, desu.
>>79122200
>>79122245
deformed baby pig
thanks google
>>79124799
Government oversight creates a monopoly
A monopoly allows you to do a half assed job and still be profitable
It's really that simple. Credit agencies would be good IF they had to compete. They don't.
>>79124691
>There are only 3 real credit agencies on Wall Street, and they have been legally codified into a monopoly. This is not the same as a free market at all.
If one of them doesn't give a business a AAA then another agency will. A credit rating agency won't sacrifice its reputation because Goldman Sachs didn't like their rating so they went elsewhere.
>>79124926
Please see this
>>79123299
and stop posting. Thank you.
>>79121723
The length of the test has nothing to do with it. Is it overpriced as fuck, yes. But you certainly wouldn't be happy if the tests took 20x longer.
>>79124799
>So they give shit ratings even with government oversight.
Government oversight is why they can give out shit ratings because government protects them by making it so they re legally the only agencies that can legally exist
>>79119495
>Your insurance saved you $37803.79
really makes you... think
>>79124926
>Government oversight creates a monopoly
This isn't how "credit rating agencies" formed. The SEC didn't have the power to investigate or regulate any of these firms.
>Be Credit Rating Agency
>can't afford to not rate a business AAA because that business will just go somewhere else to get his AAA
>lose business because you don't give AAA's while you attempt to be "real and honest"
You're fucking retarded. There was NEVER an incentive to do a good job because they weren't obligated to at all, it was the lack o government oversight because the SEC couldn't do shit about it
>>79125022
That isn't an argument it is just shitty insults
There are plenty of thrid party ratings agencies some of which like yelp are entirely autonomous
when you realize drug companies charge outrageous prices because it's a hedge in case they get sued for wrongful death.
good luck suing India if the pill you took fucks you up.
how the fuck are a bunch of pills worth $3800
>>79125083
X-Rays have been around for a century and can still cost upwards of $1000 each. That's not going to R&D or film or the power to run the machine, that's going into Dr. Steinbaum's third Mercedes.
>>79125253
Dude I have literally been paid to post shill reviews there. Seriously stop. It's pretty obvious at this point that you don't know how real life works.
>>79125200
Other credit agencies did give out shit tier ratings that were truthful.
To bad the government made it illegal for anyone to use these agencies.
>>79125253
They'll all rate businesses AAA because they don't want to lose business for themselves even if the business isn't AAA at all. AAA didn't and still doesn't mean anything and no one uses it to measure anything because its not a metric with any weight
>>79125347
>Dude I have literally been paid to post shill reviews there
And government is lobbied hundreds of billions a year to make competition illegal for special interest.
It is very easy to point out shilled reviews it isn't easy to fight unelected bureaucracy
>>79125376
>Other credit agencies did give out shit tier ratings that were truthful.
No they didn't.
>drug that cures a fatal progressive disease that just got put on the market costs consumers nothing
This is far better than tax-based death in waiting rooms IMHO.
>>79119495
>>79125504
>They'll all rate businesses AAA because they don't want to lose business
That isn't what happened in real life though.
Plenty of agencies gave out honest credit ratings but it was illegal to use them.
The only agencies giving out AAA ratings like candy were the 3 that the government mandated that could legally be used.
>>79125332
>still using film instead of a digital camera, exposing you to only 1/100th of the radiation dose
It's 2016.
>>79119644
The 11+ million illegals flooding their healthcare system and getting a free ride isn't helping, someone has to pay for them and it happens to be people who actually pay their bills and have health insurance.
My cousin is an ER doctor in Commiefornia, I've heard all the stories about your people pulling up in brand new cars, dripping with gold and they have to treat you but none of you have insurance.
>>79125542
>No they didn't
Yes they did.
They weren't used because it was illegal to use them.
>>79125687
>That isn't what happened in real life though.
That is what happened
>oh man you're not giving me AAA?
>well I'm gonna go to someone else who will
and thats how all those firms despite having zero actual backing got AAA for their bullshit
>>79125731
Then they didn't exist if they were illegal to use if no one used them they made no money.
Name one of these "illegal agencies"
>>79119495
>Implying that the US Healthcare is free market or freeish market
Ignorance is fun
>>79125326
The VC of those pills are probably 10cents each if that.
You are paying for research and development, engineers, doctors etc. and the tens of millions it costs to bribe the government to let them sell the pills.
>>79125731
Or perhaps they were only truthful because they weren't actually selling ratings. Maybe you should learn how economic logic works.
>>79125793
>Then they didn't exist if they were illegal to use if no one used them they made no money
They were legal companies that could give it ratings but when a bank had to slap a credit rating on something they could legally only use 1 of 3 government backed agencies.
All the rest served as nothing else than "advice".
> Or perhaps they were only truthful because they weren't actually selling ratings
They were selling them it's just that their ratings couldn't legally be put onto anything retard
>>79124344
EVERYONE doesn't deserve a good life. Also, I have nothing against charity, it just shouldn't be federally mandated and enforced. The police need to be paid to protect individual rights. There is not right to a good life that anyone should have to pay to provide.
Fucking scumbags.
Probably costs 5 bucks max to make them
>>79126038
>still didn't name any
watch I anticipate you picking some shit off the first 10 google results
>>79124344
People are going to die whether you help them or not. Pretending that healthcare is not a cost-benefits analysis is just being childish. Look at Alaska, their health insurance system is crashing and only one provider is left (who may soon leave, leaving them with nothing) because the majority of the money goes to keeping their 10 sickest patients alive. We don't have infinite economic power, putting a system out of the hands of a free market which incentivises sound practices on both sides of the consumer-retailer relationship will result in a system that works until it doesn't because it can't adapt and laws do not change fast enough.
I know you touchy-feely folk who have never had a real job and seen your pay check get eaten up by the government don't like the idea of people being hurt, but a system which encourages bad customer behavior by preventing the free market from punishing it is a very bad thing. Just look at what happened to Maine.
>>79125747
>That is what happened
No it isn't
> and thats how all those firms despite having zero actual backing got AAA for their bullshit
No it's because the government gave them a monopoly on legally binding ratings.
That was the law you can look it up yourself.
Sowell wrote extensively on this massive issue in his book "Housing boom and bust"
>>79126088
>what is R&D
probably was three or four pharmacologist's literal life work m8.
>>79126088
>Probably costs 5 bucks max to make them
True, but think of all the money that they need to spend on "research and development" hahaha
>>79126088
Then why don't you research and produce your own drug, with blackjack and hookers?
>>79126088
It costs several billion to make the first one.
>>79126206
>No it's because the government gave them a monopoly on legally binding ratings.
You keep saying it despite having absolutely no backing. You magically think that the businesses regulate themselves even though they didn't
They already had free reign because SEC didn't and couldn't do shit.
>look up the law
its your claim, you prove it.
>>79126206
>le Black Economics Man
People still quote that one trick nigger? Take his own advice and stop listening to academics like him.
>>79119495
I'm going to India to buy this so I can cure myself, mostly because pol
>>79124576
>or at least, do no harm
>>79126088
How much did it cost to make the first one?
>>79126088
5 bucks to make, 200 billion to develop. Do you really want people to stop spending fortunes and employing scientific geniuses to make life-saving drugs because you're afraid they might make money off it?
>>79119495
>harvoni
harvoni is a brand new, highly sought after drug.
It cures Hep C. It's a game changer thats why everyone is after it which is why its so expensive....
Why is it the american healthcare systems fault?
HEP FUCKING C
DEGENERATE as hell
>>79125332
i have no insurance and i got a chest xray for $200
>>79126088
No Harvoni is expensive as shit and brand new. Cures Hep C which was incurable for a LONG time besides interferon.
medfag btw
>>79126299
>You keep saying it despite having absolutely no backing
So do you
> They already had free reign because SEC didn't and couldn't do shit.
Sec mandated that only 3 agencies had any legal say.
That's how government cronyism works and has happened for well over 100 years.
>>79124774
General Mills and coca-cola fuck Americans.
We got a bunch of fat, diabetic blacks and Latinos and rednecks blowing all our money.
>>79126321
>People still quote that one trick nigger?
Insulting him won't make his research wrong
Tom.woods also independently came up with similar answers as well
>>79125332
If that were true then Dr. Rosengoldt would undercut him and get more customers by offering $950. And so on until the price normalized. Free market.
No, that cost goes to paying nuisance lawsuits, back room deals with insurance companies, and bloated federal regulations.
>>79124554
medfag here
There are very few no-degenerate ways to get Hep C.
Needle sticks in a hospital are like the only one. Blood transfusion and legit tattoo Hep C cases are rare as fuck
>>79121254
It encourages sky rocketing medical practices.
If you want the truth, the ACA is literally to blame.
>>79121958
There's a cure for hep c? I just thought it was only treatable. I'm confused.
>>79126501
Lmao they probably make $1 trillion profit per year after development, family.
>>79127249
This is the cure now. It's very new and thus expensive.
>>79127249
That drug in the OP is the new cure for Hep C.
Retards claim it's expensive for no reason.
>>79121961
>Go to India to treat hepatitis.
>Get more hepatitis.
Great logic.
>>79127062
>tfw being invested in biotech stocks means making money by helping degenerates and niggers
Is it degenerate? Redpill me on X.
>>79120507
>You realise in places like Britain it costs just as much
No, it doesn't, unless the UK has a law forbidding the government to negotiate prices.
The U.S. consumer shouldn't bear the entire burden of research costs when this stuff is sold all over the world.
>>79127500
In Britain it's just not available then. Libtards will defend this.
>>79127301
No company profits anywhere near $1 trillion a year. Apple doesn't even profit 100 billion a year.
>>79119495
It's shit but does work if you have the money and/or good insurance. Our medical facilities are still the best in the world. Obama made things even worse imo.
>>79124774
now post relative quality, waiting times, and probability of survival in US vs everywhere else
go on, I'll wait
>>79127301
They should, they developed a fucking cure for Hepatitis C. Most Pharmaceutical ventures are failures and the few that succeed and the few that do have very weak results that can't be monetized very well. Those who take big risks take big reward.
People are making money for saving millions of lives. How is this a bad thing?
>>79125332
YOU are the reason it's expensive.
you OWE him a car for healing you.
>>79119495
Literally nobody except Wall Street puppets defend American healthcare.
>>79127930
t. hernie panders
>>79119495
>A Virus that literally kills more people in the US every year than HIV
>Medicine that literally keeps you form dying
>37k is too much
If you don't like it you are more than welcome to die instead faggot
also
>Implying this same medicine wouldn't cost you double in the united caliphate of europistan
>Bitching even though your healthcare covers 100% of it
I'm 90% sure everyone in this thread would gladly beat you to death with a hammer
>>79119495
>not knowing drugs are only approx. 12% of healthcare spending
>go to pooinlooland
>hep c treatment now costs $1000 instead of $80,000+
>plus free dysentery
>>79119495
>Sister's hairdresser is Swedish
>Hairdresser's mom is deathly sick
>Has to fly her to America for treatment because sweet Swedish healthcare is "unavailable" to her in a timely manner
>Mother fully expected to die before she was able to get treatment in her own country
kek
>>79130034
>Still have to spend 50% of your income in Sweden so Muhammad can get gibs
>>79128651
>acquire liver failure due to toxic effects because indian drug isn't researched in anyway
>hep C ends up relapsing anyway
>>79128651
Memes aside this is legit.
T.someone doing it
>>79127930
sup socialist
>>79119776
the insurance company probably paid a tenth of that cost and is itself government subsidized
and really, the only winner is the pharmaceutical industry.
>>79119495
>Doesn't have to pay a dime for his fag STDs
>OMG LOOK AT THIS REDDIT, SO UNFAIR!!! #socializehealthcare #hillary2016 #patreon
>>79126517
Oh we can cure hep C now? Neat.
>>79130663
Same drug same company, numb nuts.
>>79121261
It's a monopoly caused by trademark laws. They can charge whatever they want because they have no competition.
In a free market that drug would be like Tylenol (not really but it would be much cheaper)
>>79133196
When t goes generic it will become cheap, just give it a few years.
Who cares if some degenerates die in the mean time.
>>79119495
pharmacists here.
OP's pic is literally a receipt for the most advanced technology on the face of this earth.
>>79119776
here is your redpill, swallow it if you dare you literal cuck.
first, logically speaking, it does not make sense to price drugs by the severity of the disease they cure
second, that hep C treatment costs only a couple hundred dollars overseas. it's only here in the mighty USA where it costs so much that you have to be put on a waiting list to receive it
finally, its development was funded by NIH, i.e. TAXPAYER, i.e. YOUR dollars. YOU paid for the development of the drug for which you are being overcharged.
tldr you've been KEKED and you're defending it, just like a good little faggot goy.
don't you ever talk shit again when you don't even know the very basics of what you're talking about.
>>79127062
>tattoo
>non degenerate
>>79119638
Yeah but you still pay a kike for health insurance dickweed
>>79126088
HARVONI RIGATONI MACARONI
>>79128056
hey cuck, even chicken pox can FUCK YOU UP, so i guess NO PRICE IS TOO HIGH for the vaccine right?
fucking shoot yourself retard.
>>79134886
"Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it."
>>79135147
>Cuck logic
Good goy.
So MMR, chicken pox, and polio vaccines should also be 30k apiece. We should all be 90k in debt by early childhood right? Sensible?
>>79135399
>reading comprehension
If what I posted is so lost on you that you suppose that is a legitimate argument against it, you either didn't read it, or wholly misunderstood it.
>>79135568
Not an argument.
>>79135669
>point using a hypothetical
>counter point using a quotation
>assertion which fails to make an argument
>Refutation of the lack of an argument
>meme
You're embarrassing yourself m8.
>>79133962
What happened:
Gilead Sciences, a pharmaceutical development company uses profits off of its successful HIV and Hepatitis drugs to develop a more advanced cure for Hepatitis C. Because the work it's doing is ground-breaking and has the potential to save millions of lives it receives small subsidies from the NIH to show support and encourage these kind of advancements in medical science. The drug they created is so successful, people are calling it a cure for Hepatitis C and demand for it is enormous. Copyright laws for Pharmaceuticals gives Gilead Science exclusive rights to manufacture it and so they set the cost. The sticker price of $1.15k per pill usually comes down substantially in negotiations with health insurance companies (I admit this part is pretty shady), but they still make gangbusters on this miraculous achievement. Because of the human welfare factor, the length of Pharmaceutical copyright is rather low, so in a few years a generic brand will pop up selling for pocket change and accessible even to people without insurance. A few unscrupulous countries do not honor international copyright, reverse-engineered the drug and sell it for cheaper. We don't like it but we're not going to war over it. Gilead's success encourages people to believe the pharmaceutical industry is still strong. Because of that more and more money gets pumped into research and development of important cures in hopes that they too can become rich.
What you want to happen:
Gilead Science spends all its money to develop a cure for HIV. Government comes in and says "this cure is a wonderful thing and should be a human right." Makes sure Gilead Science gets what it estimates is a good enough approximation of how much it cost to develop it and throws in a little change for good measure. Gilead asks what about all the research and development for all my failed projects? Government says tough shit. Everyone leaves pharmaceuticals, development stops.
>>79121333
Pretty funny
>>79134154
>he thinks his healthcare is free
your insurance just comes straight out of your paycheck faggot
>>79122170
They don't let faggots or people with tattoos to give blood
>>79135909
>counter point
You mean the "it's worth what you paid for it" tautology we all thought was clever in grade school?
>>79136356
>he doesn't understand pricing and basic economics
Look what happened when Shkreli jacked up prices on his drug. A new brand made a generic of it and sold the pills for $12, and was allowed to by the FDA and Gov't. He effectively lost the rights to them and, in the long run, lost out on revenue.
Consumers said they would not pay that, so the markets adjusted the price of the object to what people would pay for it.
>>79134886
>>79135399
This is now a vaccine redpill thread.
-Chickenpox is not that dangerous if you're not newborn when you get it. Sucks ass. Not as bad as getting it older because you got vaxxed young and the drug wore off.
-Unless you live in the indian subcontinent or in west africa, polio vaccine is a waste of time. Polio is transmitted by eating human shit and has no epidemic potential in countries that poo in the loo.
-The MMR could save you from measles, another non-life-threatening disease, but it will risk giving you autism. It's a good public health measure, but a poor individual choice.
Make sure your kids get the rotavirus vaccine. That has no side effects and will save you from a whole lot of shit, literally.
>>79119495
$38k to save your fucking life from Hepatitis C. Sounds like a great fucking deal to me wtf are you talking about?
>>79136897
Vaccines don't cause autism. Having old ass parents does. Stop spreading lies.
>>79119495
That is the insurance price (which you aren't supposed to see by the way).
If you paid out of pocket, you'd be paying substantially less and might even get it for free.
>>79119495
Actually, I'm pretty pissed that I'm forced to pay higher premiums so some faggot/junkie with Hep-C can live long enough to pass it on a few times before killing a family of four on their way to Church after he passes out at the wheel while trying to drive home drunk, smoking a joint and high on dog quaaludes.
>>79119495
>Hepatitis prescription
>Shitskin
wew lad well played.
Enjoy your Hep C, wait nvm FUCK YOU OP I hope the AIDS kill you instead.
>>79119495
Look man I'm pretty right wing and capitalist and anti liberal and shit but, you guys have to admit that big pharma needs some serious reform or proce caps or some regulation or something. There are price gouging and profit margin limit laws in place but big pharma is allowed to just ignore them. They charge insane amounts for a few little pills that cost them pennies to manufacture. I understand the price is because they're selling from a limited patent and millions went into r&d but still, this is one thing I can kind of agree with the liberals on.
The real ironic thing here is the left also has their fingers in this and makes billions from lobbysists.
>>79121172
really makes you think...
I'd like to have a change in the health care system in America, but then I realized I really don't want to subsidize poor life decisions like OP is made. In fact, seeing OP has actually made me wish for a more drastic system, where insurance didn't exist and OP would have to pay the full cost of the medicine out of his pocket, without relying on insurance to cover his poor decisions.
>>79137147
most lgbt will end up suiciding after shooting a handful of people
its literally what they do every time. thats after infecting 5+ people with disease too
>>79119495
how many pill do you take a day? 100 a day? how can $6 meds costed you that much? did you buy from a jew?
>>79136770
Actually, he didn't lose any revenue from it, the drug was only part of the whole company's patent claim. And the sheeple only heard the "man jacks prices to gorillions for muh NiggIV" and went ape on him. In reality, the bulk of those costs were set up so that the insurance companies would have to pay for them.
>>79137985
That's USA big pharma, dude. It's pretty much an extortion racket that makes billions. They pay lobbyists so much that they would never even dream of voting for any kind of regulation. Big pharmas corruption is almost entirely the reason the health insurance industry is so fucked up too. They charge prices like that for pills that take pennies to manufacture.
I would understand if they were limited then a capitalist system is best for distribution, but the thing is they can make enough of these pills in a day to cure the entire world, completely eradicate some illnesses, but since they control the entire means of production they jew the fuck out of the entire industry.
I'm pretty far right wing, but big pharma is the one thing I feel needs to be brought down.
only difference between our system and a socialist one is we cut out the government middleman and permit people to opt out
>>79138630
If there literally was a free market economy someone would be able to undercut the cost and make tons of money because everyone would buy the cheaper product.
But Big Pharma is and exortionist racket protected by Big government
Donald Trump plans on implementing a single payer healthcare system. He has mentioned this prior to his run for president numerous times and has since been silent on the issue.
Just wait for the first debate when Hillary starts praising the ACA and Donald Trump says "I'm doing single payer and I'm going to do it better than every other country, you're fired Hillary." The crowd with rave, former Bernie supporters will instantly switch to Trump. Trump supporters wont care. The GOP will be butthurt.
>>79139018
Even free market won't help, they're protected by patent laws. The entire fucking system is corrupt to the core and needs to be burned down.
>>79138031
True, but although he hasn't lost anything in whole, he has taken legitimate hits from it beyond the publicity and suits.
>>79139018
An anarchistic version of the free market does not adequately incentivise innovation and development. You need copyright law for that. You are making the piracy argument.
By all sides of the field, copyright is not the problem- drug copyrights are, after all, rather generous to the consumer because they are a human rights issue- the government programs which guarantee customer access to health and thus eliminate the free market forces (by paying for everything no matter the cost) is the problem (if a problem exists).
But more to the point, the money that are being made pharmaceuticals are going INTO pharmaceuticals. So companies that are getting good at making drugs that people need get to spend more money making good drugs that people need. This is how the free market is SUPPOSED to work.
>>79135926
You could use the "profits for innovation" argument to justify ANY business practice.
Wouldn't it be OK if they only make 10 billion instead of 20 billion?
>>79119495
OH I WANT MEDICINE THAT TOOK TENS OF BILLIONS TO DEVELOP RIGHT AWAY
FUCKING GREEDY PHARMA INDUSTRIES I CANT BELIEVE THIS.
ITS FUCKING MEDICINE IT SHOULD BE FREE!
people like you is why we don't have cure for cancer yet
>>79139890
Find me a pharmaceutical business that makes 20 billion dollars a year and we'll talk then m8.
>>79139890
I would and do use it to justify all business practices. So long as they do not violate laws (which exist for numbers of reasons such as environmental concerns, human rights concerns, anti-trust concerns).
I think the free market should justify the amount of money they make, not some Senator who thinks he knows better than math.
>>79122024
For better service too. Stay cucked.
>>79119495
>Literally the miracle drug that fucking CURES HEP C
>Looks like you won't be able to spend as much money on your whores/needle drugs
Seems like a win/win to me, senpai.
>>79119495
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatitis_C#/media/File:Hepatitis_C_infection_by_source_(CDC)_-_en.svg
Most people get it from drugs and to a lesser extent sex.
>>79140164
But this IS a human rights concern -- that is, if you believe that people have a right to life.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/04/18/insurers-balk-paying-for-hepatitis-drugs/M9Iv0SZcMhHuw1ek3zclLL/story.html
>>79134154
So do you, you just don't write a check.
>>79141313
>if you believe that people have a right to life.
They don't. That battle has already been fought. Abortion is legal.
>>79141313
Humans have a right to life but not an uninhibited right to prolong it at other's expense tbqph.
>>79141313
That's why copyright laws for drugs are so short. But if there were no copyright or a harsh price cap then big money would not be going into pharmaceutical development. Believe it or not, rights aren't an on/off kind of thing and government is a complex thing. If you regulate them absolutely then you will freeze off the system that is making things possible in the first place.
And stop acting like there are no laws and regulations regarding drug access and insurance obligations, there are tons. Forcing insurers to pay for a Cadillac when a customer just needs a car might be fine for touchy-feely feel-gooders, but it kills insurance company because it can't leverage the free market forces that keep drug companies following the laws of demand. And you may not feel much sympathy for them, but see how well you feel when they're gone. Ask Alaska.
ya the american healthcare system is in need of some serious reform. I can believe there are people defending this. Things that would be at a reasonable price in other countries, are basically not affordable to the vast majority of the american public in the US. Obama care certainly didnt help lol
>>79127091
>implying medication prices weren't sky high before ACA
The problem is Medicare, not ACA.
Cut all the old people from free or heavily subsidized prescription drugs and hospital care, see what happens to the prices of drugs and surgeries.
They will literally go back down to 1970 level, adjusted for inflation.
>>79123952
>America
>free
Here we can go to the local drugstore and buy whatever pills we want without prescription. And if the local drugstore doesn't have it, we can buy them online.
>>79125722
Blame it on their politicians.
They want this to happen.
>>79119495
American healthcare is expensive because we pay for disease from your needle sharing and ass fucking instead of throwing your worthless ass in jail.
You can do your part to save the healthcare system right now by taking the advice presented in this image.
>>79119776
It is free here in a third world country why isn't it free in the land of freedom?
>>79146762
>if Chinese bootleg cost 10 cents in streets of China, how come new video game cost $70?
>>79143678
The britbong is right. The prices have been inflated so highly due to government intervention. We spend so much on healthcare and achieve so little.
WHY THE FUCK
IS NOBODY
TAKING ABOUT THIS
http://www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html
>>79145155
That's true, but you can't watch gay porn, so it's a trade off.
>>79119638
Also parasites are only for fags apparently
Can't fucking believe I have to post this.
Everyone in this thread
READ THIS SHIT NOW
Also this holy fuck
Just READ
>>79120507
The NHS buys in bulk, meaning that the pharma companies have to lower the overall price of the order to compete for the huge orders that are put out.
>>79145155
>tfw will never live in Russia and be able to buy cerebrolysin over the counter
You can get the full course for 500 bucks if you buy it in bulk from India. Nobody would pay Thousands for that medicince.
Retail Price - Who the fuck cares
Price you pay - Like £9 prescription charge to pick up the pills
>>79119495
How annoying is that finger?
t. I came here just to write this.
Later I'll skim through the answers to check if somebody shares my views.
>>79119776
Lol, it's free in civilized countries.
>>79123952
Man, I am an International Student in Australia and got basically the same issues when I had to do an endoscopy.
But in the end everything was paid by the insurer. It took me 1 year to sort it out and 3 hours over the phone on the day prior to the procedure though.
>>79124774
And let's consider Italy and Japan are top5 in the world, long-lived peoples... it really makes you think.
>>79121261
>Bernie punish the evil capitalists!
Fda approval costs hundreds of millions
They only have 10 years patent before genetics can compete
Government meddling sets prices astronomically high
Fringe medications can be incredibly expensive to make thanks to Fda regulations
Bovine gh costs 5 cents a dose
Hgh costs $400 for almost the same thing because government
