What do you guys think about the future flag of the Kingdom of England and Wales?
>>79072242
Militant as fuck.
Still think we should have St George riding the Welsh dragon killing a serpent/Merkel
>>79072242
Looks cool.
Would march under to beat up Scotcucks/10
>>79072242
Scotland's not going anywhere.
The EU will reject its claim for membership and it will have to come crawling back to England, hat in hand, to get back on the sweet dole - *if* England is charitable enough to those traitors back in. Scotland is a drain on London. They should be exiled.
>>79072889
The EU won't reject Scotland
>>79072242
Most people in Scotland think Sturgeon's being a pain in the ass. Scotland isn't going anywhere.
Why do people say scotland will leave to begin with? they need england to fucking survive
>>79072999
what about northern ireland
>>79072632
That looks pretty damned amazing
*looks at leaf*
>>79073009
Because the scots are too stupid and too obsessed with their ancient celtic culture (which was the last time they were relevant) to understand they need england
>>79072990
Shh
That's the flag of the United Kingdom of England and Scotland though. The diagonal cross thing in white is from Scotland, and the red diagonal cross is from Ireland.
>>79072242
There ain't no black in the union jack
>>79073207
>>79073248
The black X is the flag of St David, the patron saint of Wales.
Needs cornwalls st pirans flag in there if youre going to incorporate black
>>79073305
but that flag also has yellow in it
>>79072242
Is wales a kingdom or a duchy?
>>79073398
Yes but i thought yellow looked kinda gross with the black and red...maybe though
>>79072242
>>79073481
Principality, but it'd be a kingdom under queen elizabeth ii
>>79073009
Scotland definitely doesn't need England to survive. We'll do better without them
Wait, if scotland leaves, would queen elizabeth ii be their leader just like for canada/aussiland?
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IT would go back to this one. It was literally the flag of England and wales.
For the consideration and education of idiots, pic related.
>>79073639
Besides your rapidly depleting oil reserves you have no industry at all
>>79073486
just do something like this if Norn Iron left
>>79072632
Just imagine seeing this above your post
It would be amazing
>>79073592
Then it does not count, it should the country should be renamed as The Kingdom of England and Northern Ireland
>>79072990
Spain as two very active secessionist movements (Basque and Catalonia) and so they will exert all the pressure they can to have Scotland refused. They don't want Scotland setting a bad example.
France also has a lot of domestic unrest and if people see the UK leave, Scotland split from the UK, and rejoin the EU, if could make things pretty uncomfortable for French politicians.
For Germany, it seems like Bavaria is just one bad election campaign away from initiating efforts to secede.
Nobody in Europe wants this ominous precedent set. Things are too complicated and fragmented as they are.
Soon enough, Scotland will be back under London's heel where it belongs
>>79072242
Why not combine the current flag with the saint Davids flag??
>>79073689
>>79073564
what about this, maybe with green in the dragon
>>79073564
>German colors
>their queen is German
ahahahaha How cucked can you limeys and sheepfuckers be?
>>79073705
Okay but black is wales, the cross is england, and the x is to keep the sexiness of the union jack
>>79073753
That is hideous
I honestly don't think Scotland will leave, granted they voted remain, doesn't mean they will go to lengths this extreme.
Remember that over a million Scots wanted out.
>>79073772
The resolution is so low you'd see a hideous blot of red and white
I prefer this
>>79073786
they said they would be fine with scotland as long as independence was mutual between westminster and glasgow - like a vote - unlike the secession of catalonia and bavaria that would be against the blessings of madrid and berlin
>>79073828
I did just without yellow because i thought it looked bad - go ahead and try it if you think itd be good
>>79073973
They voted to stay with england to stay in the EU. THey will leave if they get the chance.
>>79074073
>Glasgow
Do you mean Edinburgh? That's where the Scottish Parliament is.
>>79073990
Ah, somalian, honoring the roots of half of the population
>>79074225
Then yes
>>79072242
>>79072242
I love it
>>79074349
what the hell is that...get rid of the second vertical bar, make it like the norse flags, black and red, and it might be nice
>>79074242
kek there's not that many even in Cardiff. It's meant to be a republic/socialist flag.
>>79074465
Scotland and NI are gone admit it
>>79074474
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norsefire
>>79074581
oh i see. too bad its ukip with their purple/yellow pound not norsefire
>>79074073
It would still make it easier for Catalonia etc to make their arguments. It will be easier for them to generate more political will if their peoples see a Scottish return. The principle will be set: nations can secede and join EU. It's now just a matter of quibbling over terms and conditions. The precedent will embolden the secessionist movements and make them more politically difficult to oppose. Scotland is just not worth that headache. Scotland will be rejected.
>>79074746
I'd love it if scotland leaves UK, is rejected, tries to rejoin UK, is rejected, and falls apart entirely
>>79073689
oh, that's the flag they stole from us during the crusades
>>79074899
>I'd love it if scotland leaves UK, is rejected from EU, tries to rejoin UK, is rejected, and falls apart entirely
>>79073772
>>79073976 is correct, it doesn't look very good scaled to the flag size here (roughly 11 px x 16 px)
>>79072242
I doubt any of us will be alive by the time this happens.
>>79074927
You can have it back if you stand up for yourselves. How about another revolution?
>>79074960
>>79075234
didn't the french have like 50 revolutions and 25 power changes in 10 years or something?
>>79074960
That's awful.
>>79073042
Even less likely to leave than Scotland.
>>79074942
Any Brits got an opinion on this?
>>79074960
that is just ugly garbage
So if NI tries to leave where there be another war where the UK gets its ass kicked by Ireland or what
>>79072889
I think the UK should take them off the flag anyway. Just to make them even more hot and bothered
>>79075487
pretty sure even the South doesn't want NI at this point, complete basket case
>>79074960
why don't you add another color there see if you can make it even uglier for a challenge
>>79075363
And look at where they are today. On the verge of losing their sovereignty and already without an ethnic identity. They are long overdue for a revolution.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10613133/r
guys
>>79072990
They don't meet the economic criteria. The are literally the unaccompanied minor of Europe.
>>79075620
Today in the Eu parliament Sinn Fein was talking about their independence and referred to them as "the north of ireland" not northern ireland
>>79074960
This looks like a freacking nigger country flag. Literally South Africa tier. Actually, the South African flag looks better than that shit.
>>79072242
no leaf in it...
>into the trash it goes
>>79072242
Right here.
>>79075633
I didn't make it. It's fugly
>>79074073
>they said they would be fine with scotland as long as independence was mutual between westminster and glasgow - like a vote - unlike the secession of catalonia and bavaria that would be against the blessings of madrid and berlin
westminister is under no obligation to give the scottish another independence referendum and can make a solid argument that there is no case for it, given they had one recently. the SNP can whine about it but not much else, given - as you say - they would be fucked if they tried to declare independence unilaterally because spain wouldn't let them into the EU.
so scotland is with us for the wild ride whether they like it or not.
>>79075721
Hahaha they're rejected again
Scotland is honestly a joke of a country. They have done nothing for this world. They have a stupid accent and brag about "muh celtic ancestry" which is a retarded ethnicity that has done nothing in 500 years. They were uncultured barbarians.
>>79074535
Scotland had its chance
You dont get to keep having vote after vote until you get your way
NI want nothing to do with rest Ireland, unless something has seriously changed in a few years
FUCK SCOTLAND!
>>79075786
The canton is okay but the rest is trash.
>>79072242
Why is it suddenly a black union flag pre ireland? I'd rather it just be the England flag with a Dragon in the top left corner (which coincidentally represents both England AND Wales).
Anglo Grand Union when?
>>79072242
If anyone's gonna leave it's going to be the potatoes anyway.
>>79074960
We asked for a flag, not an epileptic fit
>>79076085
They are arguing that circumstances have changed - they voted NO to stay in the EU with England. Now that England's out, they'll vote YES to get a chance to be in the EU.
>>79076157
The black is from the welsh saint's flag. The dragon as a canton is crowded and canton's don't work with crosses like england's flag.
>>79075911
Plymouth reporting in
>>79076174
Uh where is new zealand and half of africa?
>>79072632
Badass.
>>79076563
>wanting niggers in your union again, after all these years
Are you retarded?
>>79076651
Is that a woman's nipple
>>79076668
it was a joke desu
>>79075039
yeah you're right
What does the current welsh flag look like scaled down to that size, similar or not so bad?
>>79076339
I'd prefer something simpler like this desu senpai
>>79076563
A FUCKING LEAF
>>79072242
Tweaked it slightly
>>79076737
It could be a minor case of gyno.
>>79074960
This way they can keep their beautiful pattern
>>79072242
One true flag
>>79077031
50/50 would shoot up
>>79076737
Yes. Sic Semper Tyrannis ad mortem.
Lady Liberty slaying monarchs.
>>79076787
eh idk the dragon looks like an afterthought
>>79072242
>>79076787
Looks wank m8, I want some black in it to show we've turned evil
>>79076787
get that dragon off there, Wales is part of England
>>79075985
>the Scots have done nothing for the world
Typical American education. You do know that the Scots invented the empirical enlightenment and thus contributed massively to the modern world, right? Adam Smith, James Mill, James Hutton, Francis Hutcheson, James Watt, David Hume, Sir William Scott and countless invented whole fields of study which underpin the modern world politically, economically, scientifically and culturally.
>>79077243
Probably because it was, yet is still more representation than pre-UK >>79077407
>>79077407
He doesn't want to take the opportunity to have a fucking dragon on the flag
you have to go back
>>79077281
>>79073564
I like this a little better.
>>79074465
St Patrick's Saltire is meant to be asymmetrical though. so St Andrew's Saltire is side by side with it instead of bordering it.
>>79077589
Well on the plus side of the English it can also represent the dragon of our pre-norman flag so it's a win win for everybody.
A lion and dragon eating a bull
>>79077407
English flag looks boring cuz, we need a change after Scotland leaves
>>79077589
gah fine you can have this one,
a proper ENGLISH dragon.. well wyvern... whatever
They've already said that the flag won't change if Scotland leaves
Gott strafe Engeland! Er strafe es
>>79075740
They can talk all they like. They've been shot down by the government twice now.
>>79073111
Scotland has some fairly legitimate grievances with England, largely relating to the clearances and English reaction to the Jacobite rebellion.
But that really shouldn't be the impetus for deciding national policy.
>>79077938
>They
>>79078055
>things that never affected anybody alive today
>legitimate
>>79072990
Spain will veto to deter secessionism.
>>79073895
your president is kenyan and your flag is british
>>79078232
Spain will allow it to just get revenge on England
>>79078205
Except those things actually directly influence why modern Scotland is as it is today.
Nice meme arrows though.
>>79075740
Holy fuck, how new are you to Northern Irish politics? This is standard republican lingo that they always use, home or abroad.
>>79075985
Can you delete this pls m8? I find it very insulting.
>>79074349
i get that reference
norsefire
>>79077467
>American education
Harvard is bad now?
First of all, it's bants. Second of all, those people contributed to the world but Scotland as a nation has done nothing. And when you see people celebrating their scottish heritage, they're not talking about Smith, they're talking about some idiot celt.
>>79072242
Cool. 10/10 would tatoo on my head if I was a Brit.
>>79078296
Nah. If Catalonia wasn't an issue, perhaps.
>>79076174
Fuck the anglo union.
Truedough is going to implement visa free travel for mexicans sooner this year.
>>79072632
sick af
>>79078580
>those people contributed to the world but Scotland as a nation has done nothing
What is a nation if not the sum of its peoples efforts?
>>79073359
You're not a country.
>>79072632
Please let the porridge wogs fuck off already, i want this.
>>79078580
>Harvard is bad now?
Apparently everyone in America goes to Harvard now. How nice.
Your "rebuttal" is so stupid that I'm not even going to read the rest of your post. You're a living symbol of the failure of your eduction system.
>>79078580
By that logic no nation has done anything ever
>>79075985
Don't forget Irn Bru, it's literally the nicest drink in the world and I'm surprised the Scots stopped whining long enough to create it. They also have some pretty creative insults too
>>79077376
Nice
>>79074535
>NI are gone
What fucking planet do you live on? Yanks...
>>79079036
That's even nicer.
>>79074465
horrific
Do any of you faggots understand vexology and the Rule of Tincture?
>>79072632
Absolute shit, impossible for a child to remember and draw accurately.
>>79081002
I hate that stupid meme.
>>79079367
>>79078842
Okay fellas first of all lighten up and second of all I meant like fighting wars or starting major movements. Scotland is not relevant economically militarily or politically. Some scotts are but then again so are some africans and africa is a living joke.
>>79080913
>>79080913
Do you mean vexillology?
why don't we just use the old flag before we united with scotland
>>79079153
I was trying to poke a hole in the stupid meme about us education. we have the best universities. who cares about elementary school
>>79081934
>expert says a thing
>meme
>>79082403
One expert says that kids should draw it and it disqualifies things like the union jack, us flag, albanian flag and >>79072632
from being good? Unless you want france or colombia, kids drawing flags is a retarded standard.
>>79078055
>Clearances
>Legitimate
We did that to ourselves and then went and did our own clearance in Canada.
t. London Jock
>>79080913
>That ratio
Stretched
>>79078296
Spain do that and they lose Catalonia. Catalonia literally only stays with Spain because they have no choice right now.
Scotlel is actually tied to England forever unless it wants to be third world.
It was feasible for like a year for Scottish independence to actually look appealing back in 2014 and they voted no. Good thing too because now they'd be a poor Greece tier nation utterly dependent on the EU and therefore subject to everything they demand.
>>79082226
Scotland joined the union pre enlightenment, its not like it had much chance to do anything on its own. Scots did however play some important roles as part of the UK.
>>79072632
dope
This one looks good
>>79082738
If you read my original rant, it was not that scotland as a country has done nothing really- you're right, they've been in bed with england so their contributions are "uk". But, ask the people on the news talking about a free scotland what they like about their culture, they'll say some ancient celt barbarian shit.
>>79082624
>London Jock sucks London cock
Why am I not surprised.
>>79075740
By Sinn Fein you mean that one fucking retard who won't shut the fuck up.
The Good Friday Agreement means they can't do shit.
The fucking rage some Irish have over a tiny money draining spit of land amazes me. Is it really just border autism?
>>79072242
Looks beautiful
>>79082969
Everyone who calls themself a celt is retarded. Literal barbarians. Half of scotland and all of ireland is this way. But didn't Sinn Fein and their Ira friends whoop your ass in the 80s?
>>79074960
looks like german refugees violently fucked Britania in the ass with her own spear
I'm more of a fan of this one
>>79072242
I quite like it. It needs more DRAGONS.
I'm Welsh btw.
Nice to see the Scottish colours removed. Fucking cuck twats.
>>79072242
Why is pol disagreeing with this? Get rid of Scotland and you will always have a Conservative government and save money. Get rid of Northern Ireland and you save a shit load of money as well as not having to deal with violent republicans and loyalists.
Seriously, this is a goldmine for England and Wales.
![20120114-d0737[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2cQZAZU.jpg "20120114-d0737[1].jpg")
>>79072242
Wales is too small and irrelevant to be on the flag. Should just be the England flag like it used to be before we the Scots joined us.
One I made.
>>79083749
After Brexit Wales have proven themselves to be England's most valuable ally in the British Isles, when Scuckland fucks off they should rightfully have a place on our flag.
>>79084112
N.Ireland, Scotland. They are both traitors. Wales is loyal.
>>79075483
Would be a laugh, but not worth having a Somalia filled with starving porridge-niggers tacked onto our northern border.
>>79073564
>>79079036
I quite like this one desu.
Simple & shows England and Wales's flags.
Not sure if adding a dragon & lion/wyvern would make it better or spoil it though.
>>79084112
1 in 5 people in Wales are English. The actual Welsh are cucks who have been incapable of resisting any invasion. And anyway St George wouldn't want a dragon on his flag m8.
>>79076787
This is my flag once the capital is retaken after their rebellion against the people and the crown.
>>79074349
>>79078492
thats a sideways cross of lorraine
>>79074942
Yes please. Tired of Scots begging for attention all the time. You'd never realize they are 8% of the population with all the hissy fits they throw.
>>79075469
It'd be hilarious
>>79074479
>>79074242
>>79073990
>>79074927
WE GOT FROM ST GEORGE NOT YOU REEEEEE
>>79073042
They hate the Irish more than the English.
>>79072242
Why is that scottish diagonal andrews cuck shit still in it?
>>79082370
A
RETARDED
LION
The Union Black
BLACKED
>>79075721
Sturgeon BTFO
>>79075487
>ass kicked by Ireland
British Armed Forces: 196,000 men, 800 tanks, 6 destroyers, 3 aircraft carriers, 13 frigates, 200 jets, 300 helicopters.
Irish Defense Force: 8,000 men and 3 patrol boats.
kek
This is the only correct answer if Scotexit.
>>79083131
Considering we kept N.Ireland and forced them to sign the Good Friday Agreement, I'd say no.
>>79072990
They already said they cant join automatically if they left the UK and would have to apply like turkey.
>>79083238
Elect Trump and we'll talk.
>>79072632
Why do you people like this so much? The dragon and lion just fuck it all up. At least shrink them down and have them hold up the seal
>>79082594
>kids drawing flags is a retarded standard.
my sides
What is Englands new name btw?
Toothaches?
THE ONLY GOOD ALTERNATIVES
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>>79090432
right top corner.
flags should be simple.
not like the portuguese flag. It started to turn into shit along with the country.
>>79083131
I have never once in my life heard any Irish person refer to themselves as a celt.
>>79073753
Reminds me of Sports Direct for some reason.
>>79091086
toppest kek.
I can't unsee now.
>>79087385
that's literally what it looks like
what autist thought that looked cool
>>79072242
Why would it have the diagonal white cross if scot and ire are out? just made this
>>79093458
>>79093498
>>79087794
IRA: around 14 men and a few handguns between them, Britain still couldn't fucking beat them. I don't support the RA but you're fucking kidding yourself if you think Britain has a chance to defeat them.
>>79072632
The fucking hand of Ulster being on there gives me a hardon.
>>79075839
Neither of those makes any sense, since they both still contain half of the Scottish white diagonal cross.
>>79072999
>Most people in Scotland think Sturgeon's being a pain in the ass. Scotland isn't going anywhere.
Fucking this. Most of us are not going to sit around and let Sturgeon with her Scottish Nazi Party take us anywhere. We're in the UK and if Glasgow thinks differently then they can fucking become a city with London.
>>79093676
This man doesn't know the difference between a legitimate war and an insurgency.
You can't win an insurgency mate it just carries on until either you lose your shit because the will to fight in the home country dies or you come to a political agreement because the insurgents will to fight is broken.
2nd one happened in NI
>>79097027
So what you're saying is Brits Out? Good point.
>>79097339
Tbh mate yeah please.
>>79080913
>>79080913
Heraldry in general is just a bunch of old geezers pretending there are complicated rules for everything, while in reality people who create flags and arms tend to do whatever they want, upon which the geezers scramble for an excuse. It's absolutely trivial to find violations of this so-called rule.
dubs says this is our new flag
so NI loyalists will allow a united ireland to happen? Fuck no
>>79099180
Cuckalists can't do shit
