"Capitalism is good as it is."
t. /pol/
>>79048582
Well shit, maybe the commies are right
>>79048778
> Brazil
Checks out.
>>79048582
Get a better career..you but hurt EUpoor
that's what happens when jobs automate. you don't need plebs anymore, and you certainly don't need to pay them much.
only problem is how then do you circulate currency? well that answer is simple. the top .1% are far more efficient than the masses in forging economic stimulation, which is why the key players in the economy are digital entities with no tangible value, and ecommerce companies that are not profitable are worth the most.
they don't need the masses anymore in order to profit. they handle all of that themselves.
>I deserve the money of people who work harder than me because it's unfair! :'(
>>79048582
Really makes you think...
>>79048582
People with more money have it grow exponentially because they can afford to invest in new money making opportunities. You have to spend money to make money.
They should probably adjust the tax brackets, tho.
>>79049152
>you don't need plebs anymore
A system that regards 90% as disposable "plebs" has no right to call itself beneficiary for everyone.
>>79049262
Surely those Walmart interhitors worked 10.000x harder than their employees, according to their incomes.
>>79048582
What the fuck do people think the top 0.1% do with their money?
Shove it in the ass?
No, they fucking spend it
Capitalism is wealth distribution in the most natural form, all money from those bottom 90% comes from the top 1%
Goddamnit I hate this board sometimes
>>79049558
>all money from those bottom 90% comes from the top 1%
Would be outrageous to suggest it is the other way around, wouldnt it?
Capitalism is a fragile system compared to communism, but that doesn't mean communism is better. The wealth inequality we experience today is largely due to our government, for when they interfered with corporations by giving them loans or bailing them out, it allows them to survive for longer while still offering the same products and making the same amount of money. This does away with competition (the thing capitalism needs to survive) and allows for stagnation to take its place.
>>79049320
it's for the good of the species. without sacrifice, we have nothing.
although, I'm sure you'd like to tear down every great achievement in human history ever produced through exploitation of the masses
>>79049682
Do you know how wealth distribution works?
Those in the top 1% will spend their money. Meaning that money has to go somewhere. It goes to the top 30% for example. This top 30% will spend their money once again, and so on. Even the bottom 1% will eventually receive their share. If it's not much that means the bottom 1% is not producing what the market wants at the moment.
You think the bottom 90% funds the top 1%? That's a matter of semantics but all in all that's not the case because the bottom 90% doesn't control the means of production. What you said could be true in socialism.
Daily reminder that your shit system literally NEVER worked.
>>79048582
Aren't you in the top 1% with an annual salary of little over 100k? I think at least for Germany this is true. This is good news.
>>79048582
Anyone who hasn't realized a hybrid system is necessary at this point is retarded.
Why wouldn't you take the best parts of multiple ideologies? What are you, a sith?
>>79049411
They had every right to the gifts given to them by their working parents, you communist fuck.
Besides, what we have today is not capitalism at all. Government subsidies, cronies, wasteful taxation and regulations and such fuck it all up. If you were over 15 you would know this.
>>79049558
They spend it. They invest it. In debts.
Usury is more profitable than production.
>>79048582
>thinks we're living in capitalism
That's the result of crony interventionism and a central bank, anathemas to capitalism.
>>79049855
>Capitalism is a fragile system compared to communism, but that doesn't mean communism is better.
Communism is worse. It does not even offer a coherent economic model.
The thing is, Capitalism <-> Communism is a false dichtonomy, as proven by Denmark or Sweden, which rank higher than US and Germany respectively in the ease of making business, despite being far more regulated economies.
>>79050190
What is Keynesian theory? If you could fucking read a book you would know that there ARE hybrid systems and we actually use them.
>>79050234
Those investments don't always become debts. Capitalism can be broken down to a system of risks. I'm sure the top 1% went through a lot of risks.
>>79050213
>it's a /pol/ defends jews episode
>>79050339
Communism is "less-fragile" simply because its controlled by the government. I didn't mean to imply it was any better than capitalism.
Denmark and Sweden are both socially liberal hellholes regardless of their fiscal standing. They're failed democracies much like the U.S and cannot sustain themselves for another 20+ years.
>>79048582
LMAO, broke ass niggas stay mad
>>79050339
> sweden
You do realize this is pol right?
Third-way ideologies are the future. People are clearly starting to care about immaterial concepts again (race, nation, etc.) and there is little room in such a new world for an economic system that is only concerned with material profit.
Just because you don't subscribe to capitalist thought doesn't mean you're a commie.
>>79050621
Denmark ranks the best in almost every positive category including satisfaction with government. I have no idea where you're getting this besides /pol/ memes.
>>79048582
It works
>>79050666
> Just because you don't subscribe to capitalist thought doesn't mean you're a commie.
This is going to be good.
>>79048582
Let's just stop beating around the bush and get to the real crux of the issue.
>>79050621
>Denmark and Sweden are both socially liberal hellholes regardless of their fiscal standing. They're failed democracies much like the U.S and cannot sustain themselves for another 20+ years.
Ehm, quite the opposite?
>>79050213
>Government subsidies
Benefiting banks.
>wasteful taxation
Benefiting corporations.
>and regulations
Still not benefiting those they are supposed to benefit.
>>79050666
Bullshit, capitalism worked very well during the world wars and destroyed the commies. Those were the times when the concept of race and nation were at its peak.
It is true, however, that democracy and capitalism don't mix well together. Capitalism was made for aristocracy, not democracy.
>>79050635
I do, this is why I created this thread.
>>79049411
>People should be able to give their money to whoever they want
>>79050017
>it's for the good of the species. without sacrifice, we have nothing.
As long as that sacrifice isnt you, I guess. lel
>>79050895
>benefiting banks
Banks that will later on give loans to people that are trying to start companies.
>benefiting corporations
That fucking pay the wages of the bottom 90%
>not benefiting those they are supposed to benefit
What a commie
>>79050621
Calling Denmark a hellhole shows that you know nothing about the status of our world and the nations on it.
>>79048582
>German commie arguing +5% just for being a worthless piece of trash is worse than starving to death because the party did a mistake when setting the quotas 10 years ago
>>79048582
No one said it is perfect as is, but it is undeniably better than communism.
>>79051240
Jumping from the fifth floor is not that much better than jumping from the eight.
>>79051240
Good thing those aren't the only two options.
>>79050916
> democracy and capitalism don't mix well
I guess the greatest hundred years of human progress don't count to a subconscious collectivist.
>>79050805
>>79050895
>>79051064
Denmark I'm not so sure about, but Sweden? Are you fucking joking me? The commies turned that country into the laughing stock of /pol/ and much of the world. Highest rapes per capita, an incredible crime rate, a failing economy partially due to all of the migrants... if that's the future you want then have at it.
Sure, if Denmark is doing good then fuck yeah, good for them. But I don't trust anything European that's not Eastern or English at this point in time.
>>79048582
"Socialism is good as it is."
t. retard
>>79050213
This post makes me realize that you don't have to be a commie to know nothing about economics.
Yes, the capitalism that Adam Smith wrote about was against all that you said, but he is not the only author of capitalism. There have been other authors later on that defended government subsidies/taxation/cronies/etc. And it is still capitalism, just a different variation.
Liberals think that the market adjusts itself and makes itself stable without the need for a third party's influence, and that is true, but it takes a lot of time for the market to get back on its feet after a major crisis. We can't afford that today. Government intervention is meant to simulate the ideal conditions that would otherwise take several years to achieve without said intervention.
>>79048582
Why is it bad if someone has more money than me?
>>79050916
>capitalism worked very well during the world wars
So well in fact that it was abolished in favor of government controls. I don't think there was a country involved in either world war that didn't heavily use central economic planning.
>>79049152
>tfw fastfood places STILL aren't fully automated yet
i'm fucking tired of these teens having jobs, why should they have money?
when will every thing be automated? these skilless retards should all be homeless
>>79051400
Dont mix economic policies with migration policies.
Mass immigration is, in fact, an integral part of the neoliberal capitalism we enjoy today.
>>79051400
Denmark, Norway, Finland, Iceland and the Netherlands are all doing very well in every positive category with much more leftist governments than us. You cherrypicked Sweden because you're on /pol/ and you get your knowledge of the world from 4chan memes rather than an education or actual knowledge about the world.
>>79051493
>oh look
>they did economic planning during a world war hahaha pussies
Why is it always a leaf?
>>79048582
And the alternative is what?
>>79051576
No they are not. Higher cost of living, fewer job opportunities, poorer higher education.
>>79051552
This always baffled me, why do Germans unironically think lazy as fuck, dumb, third world niggers come to Germany because they look for work?
>>79051434
Sure thing, better give more power to your tried and tested people-serving government.
>>79048582
This isn't capitalism
It is a cheroot plutocratic system
Lefties are to dumb to understand that big business and big government aren't enemies, they collude to fuck you.
The only way monopolies exsist is government support
>>79049411
Actually they did.
Working 'hard' =/= Working smart
their job is 10,000x more important and requires that much more responsibility
>>79051653
Their unemployment rates are lower than ours and their education is not poor. It's first world status.
>>79051505
You better not be talking sarcastic you fucking leaf.
>>79048582
"Big banks and rich people need Britain to remain" - t. 'Leftist'
>>79051702
Is making vague posts with absolutely no content your job or just some hobby?
>>79051726
Let's see if the workers give a shit about this argument when the backs of the bankers are against the wall
>>79051048
That's rich coming from a German whose leaders rape Europe for their own benefit. They afford you the luxury of comfort, the very comfort you speak out against.
>>79051726
>this is what classcucks actually believe
>>79051552
>Dont mix economic policies with migration policies.
>proceeds to do that in next sentence
>>79051576
I cherrypicked Sweden because its the most egregious offender of what happens when you left lefties control your country and do what they want. Things aren't all bright and shiny in any of the other countries you listed, ESPECIALLY Finland and Iceland. That's not due so much to governments however, but geography.
>>79051716
>>79051716
THE PROGNOSTICATOR OF PROGNOSTICATORS
>>79051716
>the only way monopolies exist is government support
No, monopolies consist of a few enlightened brains that are so ahead of their time they manage to release products with extreme quality for a very low price in such a way that no one else can compete.
They are prone to fall eventually when the rest of the market catches up with them, which is not a bad thing.
Government-created monopolies, however, are absolute shit. Communism is a government monopoly in a nutshell.
>>79051797
15 of the top 20 universities in the world are in the US. You don't see people flocking to Denmark to go to college
>>79051842
fuck you you goddamn damn aussie cunt I hope a dingo eats your internet cables
>>79051797
You know the ussr also had low 'unemployment' rates?
government 'employment' doesn't substitute actual job growth.
>>79048582
>implying we're under capitalism
in the US we have corporatism and a welfare state while the low wage job market has been getting flooded by illegal foreigners for years. what do you expect?
>>79051982
The problem with Sweden is immigration, not their liberal government.
>>79052047
Yeah and your average person isn't getting an Ivy League education, this doesn't matter for the vast majority of people.
>>79051878
Hobby. Waiting for something that isn't completely fucking stupid to respond to.
>>79052136
There were a lot of other things wrong witht he USSR that don't apply to Denmark and Norway.
>>79052192
>The problem with Sweden is immigration, not their liberal government.
WHO DO YOU THINK LETS THEM IN??
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>79051978
>calling other people cucks when your entire ideology is based off how entitled you are to what other people create
>>79052272
I'm talking about in regards to their economic policies. If they didn't have this absurd immigration policy, they would still be just as good as Norway, Finland, Iceland and Denmark.
>>79050234
Money is debt
>>79051505
This is why I want 15$/hr minimum wage and tariffs. Force innovation over slave labor.
>>79052259
>failed to address point
>>79051587
You were talking bullshit. The Germans had a genius running their economy and were thus able to maintain record production all the way to the end. Even the United States and Britain were running nearly everything from government agencies, ministries and offices.
I don't know why you're putting words in my mouth. Capitalism didn't do shit for anyone during the world wars other than provide an utterly meaningless ideological distinction.
>>79052350
>he genuinely believes that a boss at Wal Mart is 10,000 times more valuable than your average person
>t-this isn't right!
>w-we're gonna save the world at the bottom of the pyramid!1!11
please hang yourself
>>79052410
you'd rather people be unemployed than working and getting paid?
>>79052437
What point? That people have jobs and live in a country that ranks well in every positive category?
>>79052522
you know there were also low 'unemployment' rates during ww2.
Tell me what those positive things are though.
>>79049411
Their grandfather revolutionized the trucking and supply chain industries. The kids may be shits but his fortune was his to do with as he pleased.
>>79052449
>He can't refute a point
>>79048582
So shocking that people who are too dumb or lazy to make more than minimum wage are also too dumb or lazy to save or invest their money. Really makes you think.
>>79052449
a boss at wal-mart doesn't get 10,000x the salary of an average person.
>>79052870
Does that apply to 9 out of 10 Americans, or what is your point?
>>79052487
You fucking bet I do. Those people can go on welfare and it's still a net gain for the world, and in reality, those people will move on to something more worthwhile. "If the goal is to employ more people, replace their shovels with spoons."
If your job doesn't pay a comfortable living wage, the pay is artificially low or the job isn't worth doing, simple as that.
>>79052995
Yes, it does. The bottom 90% are the ones working shit jobs for shit money and spend every dollar they earn on booze or drugs. I know plenty of them - they have to check their bank account every time they go out to make sure they have enough cash. It's fucking pathetic.
>>79052449
>he genuinely believes we're under a free market
yeah i guess those corporations are just donating to politicians for shits and giggles
>>79053052
>those people will move on to something more worthwhile
like what?
>If your job doesn't pay a comfortable living wage, the pay is artificially low or the job isn't worth doing, simple as that.
That has no basis in reality whatsoever. Paying people to be on welfare does not make a net gain. A company might find it cheaper to lease robots instead of hiring low skill workers, but then their taxes go up too because the country has a bigger welfare bill.
>>79048582
I like how it doesn't mention that more people are moving to middle and middle high class pay as the low class shrinks in comparison.
>>79049682
>>79049558
when you sell something you pay money, when someone buys something form you you get money
>daily reminder that money circulates
>>79052386
Not for the super rich, to them it's a tool to get more money and ultimately power with.
>>79048582
SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!! LEAVE
>>79050037
> money circulates
> the bottom 1% will get their share
Hey Brazil, you live in a magic wonderland. I am surprised because you must have understood by now that your country goes down the drain because of your magic capitalist money circulation.
>>79048582
I am very self-conscious about there being societal rankings that do not place me at least well above average, so I'm going to gather my mates to enforce a reverse-dominance hierarchy so that the world is fairer.
>>79058280
>daily reminder that money circulates
It does so less and less, cause capital incomes outweigh labour incomes.
