How did it come to be that men now seek hedonism and degeneracy rather than self actualization, family, and self improvement?
Is it possible for the culture to change back?
because of feminism
>>78955832
This. Women give up the poon too easy. Men can have kids at 60. Why waste your life?
>>78955731
Stopped giving a fuck when we became the face of everything evil in the world.
>>78955731
>self actualization, family, and self improvement
Because those 3 mean shit. Self actualization? There are thousands of chinks that are better than you in any field you would try to compete. Family? You really want a woman to backstab you and take all your money? Self improvement? You only need to find a way to get on top of the system. Self improvement for the sake of self improvement is retarded.
You are just mad you are not fucking hot bitches all day.
>>78955731
Honestly I blame Tinder.
Literally every girl you have been with or want is advertising herself for someone else good time.
I'm having a blast with tinderenas "not looking for hookups", but left me feel depressed for the prospect of a decent woman.
>>78955731
Lol Dan's legs are smaller each time I see them
TECHNOLOGY
it's that simple.
Take away the Internet and stop letting tech industry jobs be aspired to as "successful" and you will see changes overnight
>>78956150
>Self actualization
This one is easily the most important. If someone is left unfulfilled they will live a terrible, miserable life for the most part.
>family
Since the dawn of man the family has been the central unit of our species. Caring for our family/clan is an innate biological drive, and is so for good reason.
>self improvement
Not only does self improvement increase your own pride, income, etc, but it also helps others, since you have more to offer.
>>78956278
Holy fucking rare
>>78956278
R A R E
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only if you take out all the backbones of the internet fight club style
>>78956098
Also becasue young , permanently monogamous marriage stopped being the norm. And promiscuous "chad" men are just as much to blame as women or nu-males for this. Give me a break if you think that just because you're muscular you're a "real man" and fucking tons of sluts is "manly"
Women's liberation, that's how.
Only way to change it back is to start controlling women again, but I don't have my hopes up.
>>78956333
>Take away the Internet and stop letting tech industry jobs be aspired to as "successful" and you will see changes overnight
Holy shit you're a moron, how has tech enabled the desire for Hedonism? Were there iPhones and the Internet at Woodstock?
Go fuck yourself.
>>78956536
it's sexual liberation, not just " women's "
Men are the ones who agreed to "Freeing" women because they want free sex, like your parent's generation the boomers
>>78956551
It hasn't enabled the DESIRE, but makes it too easy to do .
>>78956098
A good woman will help a man achieve more than he ever could on his own.
Plus who the fuck wants to raise kids at 60? I would like to see grandkids. To coach my kids baseball team. I would like to show him how to be strong. I want to be around as long as I can in his life.
You are degenerate
I'd rather fuck a new woman every weekend than the same bitch for the rest of my life. Why the fuck would you want to spend the rest of your life with one woman when you can fuck and impregnate multiple women?
>>78956536
>>78956615
As a Lolbertarian, do you guys seriously think Women's libertion was the issue, or letting women off the hook with their shitty decisions was the issue?
I think it's a fine idea for people to fuck whoever, but they should be able to live with the consequences such as broken hearts, STDs, having a child out of wedlock, raising a kid on your own dime, etc.
>>78956351
You are basing your arguments on a reality that does not exist anymore. Technology has made the culture change.
>>78956615
I don't doubt it, but when it comes to which gender fell further down the hole and faster, it's women.
>>78956757
Because love you filthy degenerate.
>>78956757
t. abdul
>>78956744
Call me an r9k loser but this IS true. The majority of men never went out of their way to self-improve solely out of some higher moral conviction (yes many did but it was never the majority). They did so because it was REQUIRED for social acceptance and stability, and having a family was directly necessary for their future survival
>>78955731
>How did it come to be that men now seek hedonism and degeneracy rather than self actualization, family, and self improvement?
Because women prefer hedonistic, degenerate men, and men want to fuck so they comply.
>Is it possible for the culture to change back?
Only after it collapses, and even then it might not, depending on how brown things get in the future. We'll probably just turn into Brazil.
>>78956891
Women aren't capable of love, you idiot.
>>78956920
t. low test beta faggot
>>78956891
>>78956757
Actually "love" isn't the main reason, it's about completing yourself and reproducing.
romantic love is a recent degenerate ideal from the mid 1800's. Arranged marriages were just fine.
Now love is real, but real love comes from decades of sacrifice, not at first sight. "soul mates" are bullshit, you have to grow old together and deal with fights to love one another
>>78956973
This
>>78955731
Because people are finally realizing that family is a fucking meme in this day and age.
The new world's values will be shit, but it honestly wasn't that great in the past either.
>>78956662
it makes anything easy to do fucktard.
>>78957074
You can reproduce without dedicating your life to one woman.
>>78956278
this rare is off the charts
You're mad jelly at that guy OP
I didn't read any of the replies because I reckoned the male posters would be blaming everyone but themselves.
Degeneracy is "funner" and exacts little consequence. Family means being sober, extended interaction with others and leaving all time-wasting activities like gaming unattended. Most of us tell ourselves that it's too much to ask.
>>78955731
Blame Hollywood and their skewed portrait of the burger way of life.
>>78956351
>Since the dawn of man the family has been the central unit of our species. Caring for our family/clan is an innate biological drive, and is so for good reason.
Scientifically and biologically inaccurate.
Humans are not monogamous by nature. Humans were not meant to separate into small monogamous family units that were meant to last through an individual's life time.
It's more or less likely that humans got together in pairs, fucked for a few years while the magic faded off, weened the kid until they were 3-5, broke up to search for another partner and then let the rest of the tribe have a hand in raising the said kid from there on out.
>>78956351
Admire your idealism, but this isn't the reality we live in. Conservative institutions exist to reinforce these values, but we live in a very different world, that is leftward leaning.
It may be very well that a liberal society is our best course, and is certainly the most sexually rewarding for men, but also works against these ideas.
Don't loose your idealism, even after your wife takes you for all your worth, and bestow them into your children in the hopes they live in a more stable and decent time
>>78957481
yea but because of the state subsidizing Children and Welfare, wouldn't the removal of these programs help stem sexual hedonism and degeneracy since people would have SEVERE consequences by having children out of wedlock, doing drugs 24/7, havng an STD, etc.?
>>78957481
Female sexual liberation has worked wonders for me desu.
It has never been easier to get laid.
>>78955731
Holy roid gut jesus. Didn't he already have a heart attack? Maybe it's a good time to stop using gear.
>>78957121
They are, they just get over you EXTREMELY fast
>>78957481
this
if you ever have a family you need to give up browsing 4chan completely and grow out of it.
I thought the question was regarding why people are preferencing to be hedonistic instead of choosing family life. Money doesn't seem to be the issue with the childless posters on /pol/ but instead it's committing to a life where you look people in the eye and make conversation.
To be cont.
>>78956278
Nice looking flag. Shame about the continent.
>>78955731
Men always sought out hedonism
You need strong leaders and government to push them in other direction. The alphas need to lead the way
>>78958051
I don't see why people have to give up certain activities or past times as long as they're competent in raising their family though.
>>78958095
Many people here (me included) are actually diagnosed autistic. I would never be fit to have a family, my brain completely lacks the normal functions to do so. I know very well the divorce rate for Asperger's fathers. They're simply not fit for it
>>78955731
Having a family is a waste of money
>>78958261
nah it's just a "waste" of your precious 4chan browsing time
>>78957742
>"Don't loose your idealism, even after your wife takes you for all your worth, and bestow them into your children in the hopes they live in a more stable and decent time"
>IWN have a loving wife which I will love and cherish until the day I die
>IWN have my own kids: my brood, my pride, my greatest joy
>mfw Idealism is wanting to have a nuclear family, and the norm has now become a life of hedonism
>mfw despite being a nice existance for some time, it will never be as fulfilling.
I guess it is true what they say: That only the dead know peace from this suffering.
>>78957712
That increases the liklihood of creating psychpaths and murderers.
Monogamy came about because humans take a long time to develop and they devolop better if they have both parents in the picture. It's not like some religious asshole just one day ruined everything for everyone.
If you spend all your time shacking up and creating kids with no intention of staying through their formative years you get niggers.
>>78957804
Sex is as sex does but are you getting past the age where you should be starting a family?
>>78956924
Nicola Tesla
>>78956150
>Self improvement for the sake of self improvement is retarded.
That might just be one of the single stupidest fucking statements I've ever seen someone make on this website, and that's saying a shitload.
>>78956973
That's a lie.
But they probably are incapable of loving you.
>>78955731
Pretty straightforward
>Men don't want to settle down with a woman who's had more cocks than John Wayne's gun (just like how you wouldn't pay the original price for a jalopy with 500k miles on it)
>Men aren't going to put the work in for that when they can just go to a club and find some slut
>Ugly men just stay at home and look for porn on the internet
>Women know they hold all the cards and still seem to get confused with the difference between "slut" and "stud" just like they get confused between "degrading" and "empowering"
Odd (or pure coincidence) that it's only whites who are pushed into living this kind of lifestyle.
tl;dr men have started to act the same way Jews have told women to act purely because it's easier.
>>78958416
That's what I'm saying though. Celibacy is acceptable too, it's just not for the majority
>>78955731
Capitalism.
>>78958344
The grass is always greener on the tier side, so they say.
Life is about chasing for the next false promise or feel-good moment either way. Don't worry about it, all of us will die with some kind of regret I. The long run; it's just how things are.
>>78956278
Nice proxy, bro. Nice and
RARE
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>>78955731
>self actualization, family, and self improvement?
these things are worthless in society. Especially since divisiveness has reduced community and the sense that working for it was purposeful to nothing.
You all talk about black men/white women but how many of the single men on here are out and about where white women can spot them? How many (especially American men) are home most nights?
>>78958597
I don't blame blacks and women, I accept that I'm genetically defective and not fit for marriage and family.
>>78956150
>Self improvement for the sake of self improvement is retarded.
please post on reddit or somewhere else in the future, this is the dumbest thing I have ever read on this board
>>78955731
The dissolution of the family through no fault divorce, welfare, and feminism. Ultimately, this is the inevitable outcome when women are allowed to vote.
> Is it possible for the culture to change back?
Not until the government runs out of money and can't support welfare programs that encourage the growth of single mothers.
Single mothers are the worst form of child abuse. It's better to be born as a child sex in a third world country than as a child of a single mother in America.
>>78956098
You seriously want to be dead when your kids are in their 20s? That's ridiculous.
>>78958223
Only if certain members of the family keep bitching at you for it. If you have a nag wife she will want you to spend a lot of attention towards her and will keep nagging and nagging.
>>78956757
Would you rather grow up with a loving father and mother, a family who support you through your life or a single mother who doesn't give a fuck and dates random guys like you all the time
You're a fucking retard, literally >b-but muh dick
>>78956757
How would you even know the kids are yours when you're fucking sluts?
After you've fucked enough women they become a nuisance to be around. This guy is just attention whoring and wasting his time at this point. He's actually turning feminine with his instagram obsession.
>>78956278
got dayum rare as shit
>>78958381
If anything I would say the opposite. The institution of families has severely the human gene pool by giving everyone (males especially) the chance to reproduce and pass on inferior or unwanted genes.
Also psychopaths and sociopaths are basically biological products of shitty and outdated animalistic genes, not so much their environment. Though depending on how the said sociopath or psychopath was raised, it could lessen or repress their innate and budding biological drives.
>>78956278
RARE AS DIAMINDS
>>78958220
Hitler wasn't an alpha and look what he achieved
>>78956278
RAW AS FUCK
>>78959000
Holy fuck I'm a rare and didn't even know it! I had no idea my ISP was there until I just posted.
>>78959000
>Unknown
i blame women because none smile back or say hello
>>78955731
You're a bunch of faggots how bout that?
>>78956278
Don't you have a warlord you should be fighting for right now?
>>78957232
Then who will raise the child you God damn inbred
>>78958095
I only started reading 4chan after my divorce, it helps me understand what the red-pilled zeitgeist is saying.
All these 'anti-women' threads just reinforce the notion that gen x was clueless that women are sexual beings, even more so then us men, and they will act on it any chance they get.
Had I read /pol/ prior to getting married, the shock of seeing my ex in bikini pictures on Tinder a week after the divorce wouldn't have been a big deal.
So here are I am, just hopefully imparting some potential advice to basement-dwelling beta-males.
Last week I'd have agreed with most of the posters so far. There was no future, in effect.
This week, our kids have a decent shot.
We stumbled somewhere in the past four decades, socially. We let people with vested interests in destroying the family, stability and virtue run amok, mainly because they did so covertly at first, and then openly with the full backing of the establishment.
We've just told that establishment to fuck off, and the bullies in the media and the universities have taken a bloodied nose and run to teacher to recieve no sympathy.
Things are turning around, finally.
>>78955731
Some men and women have always sought hedonism and degeneracy. The difference is that in times past society frowned down upon such behavior. Now it has become acceptable even glorified.
Like in Rome the late republican period was people competing over who can throw the most lavish of orgies. Then Augustan political, social and moral reforms sought to destroy such depravity only to see it re-emerge again with Galigula and later with Nero.
Morality and depravity are in a constant fight over the populus by large depending on the partriarch class and the plebs will always try to imitate of their betters.
To get rid of this degeneracy you must get the upper classes to have some sort of moral spine. Rid the media of Miley Cyruses, Cardashians and their ilk.
>>78959365
The woman.
No joke, feminism wants to supplant the man with the state.
If they can swing it, fine by me nowadays. fuck it. Let them breed and having children I'll never see.
>>78959434
>generation x
>clueless about female sexuality
Very much the opposite really. If anything it's the age when female sexuality was seen in a non-conservative or taboo light.
>>78955731
Suffering is an unavoidable part of life. There is no lasting satisfaction to be found in the world of the senses. Everything shall meet its end. As such there is no eternal happiness to be found in marriage or in women. Even if you could turn back time on the sexual culture there is no peace to be found there. The only issue is with how you internalize what we currently live in.
>>78958381
Si what?, ravens are monogamous, and so are countless other species.
The thing with raising humans is that we have brains that take a lot of time to develop. That's why you need partners for longer periods of time.
>>78956278
The times I see flags like that, I want to just assume it's a proxy.
But not everyone's that smart.
Bruv, aloha from Sandy eggo commifornia! Wherever you actually ((are))
>>78956278
IM ON MOBILE, WHAT FLAG IS THAT?
Also, I don't mind if its an Armenian degenerate like Bilzerian doing it
>>78959000
>>78959242
ayy lmao
>>78958381 sorry, meant for
>>78957712
>Is it possible for the culture to change back?
No, move to Italy if you want to live with mommy in 30s
>>78956278
R A R E
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>>78959824
This.
Happiness is a fleeting emotion.
A wife, a good career, kids and such will never guarantee permanent happiness or satisfaction, just moments of it.
Humanity is always off the search for that next big dopamine fix... You will continue this search until you die...
>>78959959
Get clover via fdroid
Also not charging my phone
>>78955731
its more fun
possible but not probable
>>78959959
Central African Republic, Ameribro
>>78960186
Fuck you all I ll never charge it
women are just degenerate slutty pigs and since men have lost all control of them because beta worshipers and orbiters have ceded all control to women it's easier for normal guys to just avoid any real relationship with women and use them like the whores they are. It's also funny that these beta men almost never get laid unless it's some sort of one time sympathy or bored as fuck chick whose drunk yet these women give it up without hesitation to men like myself who are the exact type of men they preach about hating with their sjw bullshit all the time. Literally just put women in their place and you can have your pick of them
>>78955731
Only if we kill the jews first, beginning with OP.
>>78959770
What I mean is we still had hope for long term marriage.
As a former proud family man with kids, its depressing that post-divorce I can easily fuck 5 different women in one week.
I'm really shocked how different my notions were compared to reality.
>>78955731
>Having to pay women to specifically hang out with you.
I dont care how much money you have, that's just sad.
>>78959849
Not even Ravens are monogamous. In fact there are records of ravens and other "monogamous" bird species cheating on their partners during mating seasons, some even end up getting cycled and raising hatchlings that aren't even their own.
And even then, the parents usually part ways after fully raising the chicks to adulthood, only to find different mates next season.
>>78956098
>Having kids at 60
For the sake of the poor unborn soul that would otherwise be your offspring, I hope you don't have kids.
>>78956806
And who let them fell?
>>78959242
What flag is this? looks like Moldova
>>78960341
So you fell for the family meme, these are the repercussions in today's modern world.
I hope for the best for your kids, because we're living in the sweet spot of qaulity living right now, assuming this isn't a bait post.
You faggots above are both right.
We have PFC's for a reason and are capable of higher thoughts and motivations. At our baser levels yes we are non-monogamous animals. But staying together as family selects for monogamy better. If you want non sociopathic, empathetic children, you have to be monogamous or you degenerate back into the animalistic alpha society.
What monogamy doesn't help for though is non-racism. You get racial preference and as a byproduct culture from your parents, but that leads to culture wars when they mix hence the EU wants to miscegenate us.
A World War will purify us all.
>>78959824
>>78960149
If you want to think like that and end suffering you should not have kids at all. But if you do decide to have kids, because people are going to continue to pop out kids left and right regardless of what anybody says you should not listen to your endless dopamine addicted monkey brain and use your intelligence to raise your child the best you can by aiding him/her through life, still there is no guarantee that your child will do good in life, but being there for your child will certainly decrease the chance of him/her ending up as a methhead
>>78960786
If 4chan can't tell you why do you think I will?
>>78960341
Gen X here. You're right we did have hope. Luckily I felt something off and didn't get married a decade ago when I had the chance.
Watching friends go through divorces now because of cheating.
>>78961209
Normally "Unknown" is a question mark. I wonder why it gave you that flag? Where are you?
>>78961046
it really won't though.
>>78961412
Iraq
>>78960786
Andorra. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Andorra
>>78955731
I'd say the smartest thing a successful man can do is avoid marriage. Women see money and are immediately willing to do whatever it takes to be lawfully entitled to half of that shit. And if they can't get the man to marry them, then they'll try to figure out a way to blackmail him into giving them his money.
"Hit it 'n' quit it" is the only logical thing for them todo unless they can find a successful woman who is already wealthy and isnt trying to leech off anyone.
>>78961164
>you should not listen to your endless dopamine addicted monkey brain and use your intelligence to raise your child the best you can by aiding him/her through life, still there is no guarantee that your child will do good in life, but being there for your child will certainly decrease the chance of him/her ending up as a methhead
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
People are always clinging onto hopes and happiness because those are the only fragments of positivity that get us through our largely shitty and dull lives.
>>78961412
I believe its Andorra
probably just a proxyfag who should kill himself though
I think that we will only return to conservatism when society completely crumbles and needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. Until then just watch tons of TV, play video games, and fuck hot babes.
>>78960311
This is so true. Three girls have fallen in love with me. I treated all of them like shit. The third one is amazing though and I married her. I still treat her like shit from time to time so she knows her place and continues to be in love with me.
>>78955731
>family
ever since the governments all over the world decided to creep into absolutely anything and nationalize even something like personal relationships and religious ceremonies, no one sane is gonna risk most of his wealth and future earnings on the mercy of some slut and a retarded or corrupt judge
>hedonism rather than self improvement
>not seeking both
>>78955731
Cultural marxism. Social engineering. Feminism. Sexual liberation.
It can. A serious, chaotic, cataclysmic incident, a catastrophe of biblical scale would be needed. Anything that causes many deaths + breakdown of social order. E.g. extreme economic breakdown, supervolcano, asteroid impact etc.
The pendulum always swings back. I just hope it doesn't bring the dark ages again.
>>78960822
Not bait
>>78961368
Never cheated, I dont regret this, it gives me the moral high ground, making up for it now
>>78959041
Blood Diamonds.
>>78956278
Damn... at least ya'll aint dead last...
>>78955731
Yeah, after World War 3 and the purifying nuclear fire.
>>78961519
It will, the cities will all be destroyed.
>>78955731
>How did it come to be that men now seek hedonism and degeneracy rather than self actualization, family, and self improvement?
(((Feminism))) and the (((Media))
>Is it possible for the culture to change back?
On a personal level I don't think so. We are too far gone as a culture to ever reverse the damage.
>>78964635
Better yet, why anyone would want to have children or raise a family in this crumbling world is beyond me. All facts indicate that its heading for disaster within this century.
We are threads away from a global economic collapse, fresh water and other natural resources are rapidly drying up, divoce rates are unstable, narcissism is running rampant in younger generations thanks to the influence of digital tech and social media, global warming and pollution is ruining the planet, outsourcing and technology is ruining the job market, government and corporations dictating and influencing the lives of people more than ever before... the future looks grim, why bring children into this? If you want a kid that badly, just adopt; cuck memes aside.
Also, feminism isn't the result of this. Cultural marxism isn't the result of this. Liberal viewpoints aren't the result of this. Rather, these are all the result of a rapidly expanding global population. Google "behavioral sink" and John C. Calhoun's mouse utopia experiment. That is the future. This is the world we're living in now.
>>78956278
..whats slower then 56k phoneline?
actually wondering..
>>78956744
Fags pedophiles rule the world now. Few men like you are alive. Hope you get a decent wife and make a family that makes America and the world great again.
DEAD TO FAGS posing in pictures with slutty girls, everyone knows what they're really up to with 10 cans of beer.
>>78965932
That is why I wish we'd just leave Africa isolated for some time. The overpopulation problem there would be solved in no time.
>>78959000
According to FlagRatio this is Satellite Provider.
Where the fuck are you shitposting from?
>>78955731
> men
you guys literally post the same guy over and over.
>>78955731
Feminism.
Why should I work overtime and late nights and put all my energy into providing for a Wife that doesn't respect me or belittles me and children that she will take away and hold hostage when she gets "bored"?
There is no benefit to being the Head of the Family and being respected at home and among other Men today. Now it is just work work work and pay out the ass to have your wife run off and steal your children while demanding half your income.
I can keep all my money, live exactly how I want and do exactly what I want to do at any point. If I am horny I jerk off or go to a bar and find some other sexually hungry girl for a $30 bar tab.
It would take Women knowing their place and rewarding men for all they do and being satisfied with being good Wives and good Mothers.
