ITT: we brainstorm ideas to fight the obesity epidemics.
I know this is /pol/ but any chance we can avoid answers like "aushwitz but for fat people" and have intelligent answers I'd prefer it.
>hope
So gents what can we do?
>>78928899
Mandatory liposuction
Show them facts.
Encourage people to run and/or lift every week.
Convince them how easy change is.
>>78928899
I’m not fat, I don’t care
Make them pay more taxes.
>>78929176
You're literally fucking insane if you think the solution to this problem is a calm and rational presentation of facts.
>>78928899
I suggest going back to old and tried ideas
>>78928899
Make it a personal issue, not a medical one.
Make discrimination legal.
Social pressure is one of the most powerful forces. Once they feel ostracized they will change or die.
>>78928899
>double double
>nice
You can be skinny fat, too.
/pol/ should be promoting healthy lifestyle choices period.
Get rid of the degeneracy of any form.
People over 300 lbs aren't allowed to reproduce or raise children? Hopefully then they can be motivated to lose some weight. If not, they won't taint the next generation.
>inb4 Muh Freedoms
>>78928899
Witnessed
Sin Tax on anything packed with refined sugar
Sin tax on fast food and process frozen garbage.
Maybe even a fat tax, submit your height weight and body fat percentage with your taxes.
Make having fat kids considered child abuse
>basic income including healthy food rations
>fatties will have to work to earn their junk food
>???
>utopia
Wow I don’t get it, why should we care about fat people? They’ll just kill themselves slowly, let them die. Parasites shouldn’t be helped, we’re enough on earth
>>78929555
Holy socialism batman.
Paying people in vegetables not a bad idea though
>>78929719
In the US it's an unavoidable topic. 75% of the country is overweight or obese and it's only getting worse.
>>78928899
>be fat
>claim to not be fat
words don't need meanings. just say the words that sound nice and pretend they mean what you want.
impose sanctions on exports and imports to / from the US of A
+ develop the respective economies, slowing globalism and getting independence
make blacks more racist. this way they will stay in their own communities, and will not venture out to hunt for white whales.
+bonus: would be more acceptable to be racist to them
>>78929978
Oh true, I’m stupid. Well, I’m not concerned, then.
I can just say, as I went in the US, that you’re eating like twice as much as us.
/fit/ people get tax breaks
>>78930236
^i express democratic solidarity with this post. also freedom
>>78928899
put this in their burgers
>>78929719
Fat people are a MASSIVE, MASSIVE, MAAAAASSSSSIIIIIVVVVEEE drain on healthcare systems. It makes economic sense to address the problem.
>>78930539
ex fat shit here. I seriously think it's down to parenting, pretty much every fat person was a fat kid and fat kids are only fat kids because their parents don't give a crap about their health.
I started sorting myself out at 14 though, can't quite remember why now.
What I'm trying to get around to is saying fucking educate parents and get the kids help if they're fat shits, it's normally not their fault.
Dunno what to say about grown adults who are already fat though, I guess we'd just let them die off and when they're gone then no more people would be getting fat as there's preventive measures in place to help kids.
IMO it's fucking pathetic how we treat obesity which is a real dangerous condition for people to have.
>>78929719
Most first world countries have socialized medicine
It is every tax payers business who is using / misusing the system, especially if they aren't paying their share.
We shame smokes more by the daily , people who live unhealthy lifestyles should pay for it themselves.
>>78928899
Start a volunteer force of permavirgins to fuck the fat girls skinny.
>>78930302
Yes that's the main problem. Not even the food itself which could always be healthy, but just how much food. Big meals on top of snacks all day. Who could have guessed that eating less would make you less fat.
>>78928899
gotta burn that fat
>>78928899
The State should put something on food that if you eat too much you start pooping blood and stuff.
>>78929491
>having fat kids
>tfw my firstborn was LGA and I ate healthy food
Nigger what?
>>78928899
>Is fat
>denies being fat
instead of random gay ball sports in school, teach kids why exercise and a good diet might save their lives in more ways than one. also teach what a good diet actually is.
i wish parents were already doing this but obviously theyre not. if school is mandatory, you might aswell teach shit that will strengthen society
>>78928899
That image doesn't look obese.
>>78928899
>but any chance we can avoid answers like "aushwitz but for fat people"
But this is the best idea
>>78929491
>>Sin Tax on anything packed with refined sugar
>Sin tax on fast food and process frozen garbage.
What? No. I eat those things on occasion and I'm a skelly. Why would you penalize normal people?
I dont care any more. If fat people want to be fat then I hope they eat themselves into am early grave.
Fuck fats, of you want to doe from heart disease, diabetes, stroke, etc etc be my guest.
>>78930768
Yea. A good way to figure this out is to look at ours McDonald’s compared to yours. What you’re paying 3$ just for a little hunger is basically a complete meal for us.
Also - well it might be not true for all the Americans obviously - you seem to not have real regular hours to eat, like you may eat between meals. I’m maybe wrong here.
>>78928899
I am about half as fat as the blob in the pic, but im still fat. These people will rather die than admit that they got a problem and then take it from there...
>>78928899
You could try for limiting items to be bought using EBT.
For WIC they have a list of items approved for purchase and a specific number of said item you can buy before the card makes you pay for it with your own cash.
So if only healthy, cheap food was available for purchase using EBT, then poor people will start making meals with the food. No junk food, no booze, just healthy food.
>>78931282
the definition has been expanded to include that
>>78928899
>aushwitz for fat people
I think you mean "fun camps".
>>78928899
In all seriousness we need to greatly reduce the amount of sugar intake in everything/everyone.
Eventually treating it like a drug. It's killing us, and making us xbox hueg
just remind them that successful men don't want landwhales
either they accept it or they turn into old cat ladies and nature takes its course
One day in the next 10 years there will be a weight loss pill that will literally make anyone a healthy weight no matter what they eat.
Its just the way techmology works.
People will giggle at those who go to the gym just to stay thin.
>>78928899
Tax the hell out of fat/sugar/prepared foods, make healthy food cheap. Encourage exercise.
![mockup-bce3b356_large[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bvRY7ea.jpg "mockup-bce3b356_large[1].jpg")
Good old fashioned bullying still works.
>>78931282
It technically is. People get "obese" and "morbidly obese" mixed up quite often. I've known so many people that say "yeah, im fat, but im not OBESE," when in fact they're actually very well past the obesity threshold, they're just not 300+ lb hambeasts.
>>78932148
You can't even not let in hordes of Muslims, how the fuck you gonna achieve that?
>>78928899
Legalize medicinal DNP and have doctors melt the fat off the fatties. Sure we'll lose a few, but in the grand scheme of things I think everyone will be happier.
Send the fat acceptence people to Uganda. Then let them explain why them eating as much as the average Ugandan village means that they're really the ones who have it hard
>>78932148
Honestly fat people will just continue to waste money and buy the unhealthier foods, and the ones who stop being able to afford it will just get fat people benefits and then use their food stamps to continue buying twinkies and donuts.
>>78928899
Education, encourage people to pursue a healthy lifestyle, put research into obesity and start advertising the related problems, like they do about tobacco.
>>78931484
you're essentially correct. Sit down meals are less common, families are less important.
I would consider the policy roots of the problem that for most of American history, family and individualism was the key pillar, but with the advancement of the welfare state, the same practices remain with less incentive. In the end it's a personal issue, but the state hasn't been much help in promoting personal well being.
>>78928899
Impose fines on those overweight. I mean they already charge you on your taxes if you don't have health insurance. Add a flat tax if you don't have insurance and are overweight. If you do have insurance, start requiring insurance companies increase monthly prices based on how overweight you are. Example if you are 10-20 lbs overweight it could be $10 extra, 20-40 lbs over $25, etc. Though they could charge more for monthly insurance while at the same time provide access to maybe gym discounts or free access to dietary planning/help websites or something.
>>78932241
Isn't the scale overweight < adipositas < obesity?
stop subsidizing fucking corn
no more corn syrup in everything
>>78928899
For me, it was a simple awakening. I realized I was fat, and I wanted to be normal. Collectivism really is the only best answer, because we have to be conformists to be moral.
>>78932494
Do you think people WANT to be like that, asshole? most people don't eat MORE its that they eat BADLY because they have been RAISED THAT WAY. They literally do not and cannot know any different. Withdrawing from sugar is literally the same difficulty as withdrawing from heroin or meth, extremely fucking HARD. Some studies say it is harder.
REMINDER: Regulating people's health has always been a socialist lefty meme.
>tobacco & alcohol taxes
>universal healthcare
>Michelle Obama's war on junk food
>China's mandatory daily exercise
The only reason I should care about some fat ass eating himself to death is because my government mandates that I have to pay for his health problems. Otherwise, he dies and the fit in society survive
How about we just stop coddling the weak and focus on what aspects of society play an important role in providing incentives for people to be healthy. Remember when the most basic ideal of attracting a mate and starting a family was enough incentive for people to want to be fit and healthy enough to appeal to the opposite sex? Maybe we should start by trying to make that a thing again.
>>78932678
It's underweight>healthy weight>overweight>obese>morbidly obese.
Only 1/3 American women are a healthy weight.
>>78932849
Lol. The only reason people are fat is because they eat too much. At the end of the day for the vast majority of the population it's calories in and calories out. Eat less regardless of whether it's a hamburger or a salad.
I also don't buy that in a western country people are too stupid to know what is healthy and their ignorance leads them to eat candy and fastfood all day.
These are all bullshit excuses. Just eat less. Most people don't live nearly an active enough lifestyle to justify how much food they eat. Just follow the average person and see how much they eat outside of their three meals. Just cutting out snacking would change a lot.
>>78933220
Happenstantially, I prefer my women with meat on them, not like I'm fucking a 12 year old boy. So yes I like a bigger, curvier woman.
>>78928899
We need brains for that
>>78932849
Nigger Wha-
>Sees flag
Oh nice one m8 almost got me
>>78933262
And how do you expect someone with a FT job to do that? also as I said and I will repeat
>Withdrawing from sugar is literally the same difficulty as withdrawing from heroin or meth, extremely fucking HARD. Some studies say it is harder.
If you work and you try to starve yourself thin, you will probably lose your job.
>>78932849
>Withdrawing from sugar is literally the same difficulty as withdrawing from heroin or meth
You've never withdrawn from either if you believe that.
>>78932303
I think the migration is more a "feeling" based discussion, whereas obesity is more of a "factual" discussion.
>>78932531
This could be true but I think it will still convince a part of them to give it a try.
>>78928899
>So gents what can we do?
Nothing. Fast food and Sugary water is the replacement for the wolves, bears and starvation that used to clean out the idiots from the gene pool. Why would you want to fuck with natural selection?
>>78933480
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/connie-bennett/the-rats-who-preferred-su_b_712254.html
>We discovered that sugar may be as addictive as cocaine
>[the study] clearly demonstrate[s] that intense sweetness can surpass cocaine reward, even in drug-sensitized and drug-addicted individuals
>>78931948
Uhhhhhmmmmm my friend? Maybe you meant "people will JIGGLE"?
People eat too much carbs, and sugar they don't need gets stored as fat. They really underestimate how damaging that small sandwich is, or that slice of pizza, or that hamburger, or those bread sticks, or that pack of crackers. Bread is the most devastating lardass enabler there is on this planet.
>What could be wrong, it's just a sandwich with a couple slices of salame
Little they know they're turning those two slices into a kcal bomb. But at the same time, bread is also the most basic filler a man can think of. Try actually getting rid of bread altogether, even if you double your intake of pasta and keep eating anything else you'll start starving like a motherfucker.
>>78928899
I understand that fat acceptance is counterproductive to their health and overall well being, but one cause of obesity is depression, so can you guys go easier on them?
>>78933870
Leaf shut up pls with the amount of maple syrup you eat, you will be 350lb inside of a year and your penis will be so small it will shrink into your tummy inside its foreskin
>>78928899
>Eliminate all corn subsidies
>Tax sugar
>>78932148
government creating a disincentive for pervasive behavior is bound to fail. Also because the same government is creating an incentive these bad behaviors. The welfare state is a proxy that enables people to act poorly and still get rewarded for it. This ranges from poor health, poor relationships, and poor economic decisions. Things that should land you outside of society and as such an unsustainable lifestyle, but with the welfare state that is only expanding, we enable these degenerates.
I don't think it's a bad thing. The NHS discovered that their citizens smoking actually lowered the cost of healthcare because they died quicker. In the US, the same thing will happen but for Social Security and Medicare. Let them eat themselves to death and we might have a standing chance at having the SS/Medicare benefits when we retire.
>>78932849
Spotted the fatty
We need another proper war
>>78934361
Show your own self first
>>78934198
>mass starvation and global economic collapse
Way to go Mr. President
>>78934283
http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-sn-more-americans-obese-than-overweight-20150620-story.html
So are you waiting for the USA to go extinct?
You don't.
Seriously fat people have a better chance of surviving being shot in the head than losing significant weight and keeping it off.
The human body is designed to gain weight and keep it. That's what kept us alive. There are various mechanisms by which it does this, which you can look up for yourself, but basically by the time you're fat it's already too late. The deck is stacked against you, and that's why fatties don't lose weight.
It's easy to say GIT SUM WILLPOWER, but this advice is as useful as telling someone who can't deadlift 150kgs 5x5 to just lift harder, faggot. Yes, with a long, progressive routine this weight is definitely achievable for pretty much everyone, but it requires a lot of commitment. Most people just don't fucking care that much. They'd rather be at home, or with their kids, or enjoying their one day off a week.
Exercise is not a solution to obesity. Obesity must be seen as a revenue issue, not an expenditure issue. Unfortunately, this isn't exactly helpful. We can't really control what people eat. They have to choose the right food, in the right amount, on their own. If they do this they won't even need to exercise.
Children. Children are the answer. Teach kids how to eat right, and treat obese children as abused children - with commensurate penalties for the parents.
>>78933262
This. Calories in and calories out. Like anon said, for the vast vast majority of people its just shitty habits and blind ignorance. "Body positivity" movement has only made the problem worse. Healthy at every size is not true in the slightest. Fat is fat like the girl in the pic, its easy to look at yourself objectively if you are willing to be honest.
>>78934795
Thank you so much for speaking the truth, I shouldn't be fatshamed or bodyshamed for something I had no say in.
>>78934795
....except exercise IS the solution to obesity. In conjunction with eating well you can lose weight it's not magic. It takes hard work but exercise is the tool to make it happen. And people too lazy to take care of themselves just so they can spend time with their kids are kidding themselves. Why not take care of yourself so you don't die early of heart disease and live long enough to see those grand kids?
>>78931948
It already exists friend, it is called DNP.
My hope is one day to generate power from fat people like myself floating in pools being dosed dnp at a regular rate. With the correct set up we could get a 2-3 kilo of off a person a day.
>>78935171
>It takes hard work
Ergo it's not the solution.
Jesus fucking Christ, I hope people don't pay you for your stupid fucking ideas.
If people were willing to do the hard work to not be fat we wouldn't have fat people in the first place you stupid cunt.
>>78928899
We start by rejecting nudging, "public health," expert control, and thinking that everything has to be asocial-legislative campaign.
Air conditioning.
>>78935228
How will we make it safe?
>>78930539
>>78930578
>When you're triggered by obesity stats
When is the next huge happening?
There are so many people who need to not be people anymore.
Education
People are so uninformed about basic nutrition and exercise
>>78928899
How many ideas do you need before you get to the conclusion of "don't eat so much and exercise"?
>"You need mass immigration because your people are too fat to work. How about you take some of these tolerant Muslims in? Good goys...erm, GUYS I SAID GUYS!"
>>78935171
Why do you think Christian ethics are pretty much dead and born again Christians are so popular? The strong moral system that promoted a virtuous life is no longer existent
>>78928899
Every five pounds overweight is an extra percent on your taxes.
Restrict welfare for the obese
>>78933848
>huffington post
I expected a higher caliber of autism from you
I am disappointed.
>>78928899
you gotta let fat people figure it out on their own. I used to be nearing 400 fucking pounds until I finally got so disgusted with myself. Went on a 1700 cal diet, lost 70 pounds so far. Still a fat as fatass but the progress is still going strong.
>>78935422
DNP is pretty safe at the right levels, a few thousand people took it during a trial in the 30s and only 3 or 4 people died due to OD and impurities
I believe there has been one case of the reversal of a DNP overdose, we also have the option of inducing hypothermia.
With proper engineering we could introduce it to all processed food in small doses to bring obesity down and create a negative feeling towards high sugar foods.
>>78935320
>Exercise is not a solution to obesity.
Stupid Australians, hope you become fat as fuck and sink that stupid penal colony
>>78928899
Stop socialized medicine. After that, it ceases being my problem.
Eat away, fatass.
>>78928899
>avoid answers like aushwitz but for fat people
>A
>FUCKING
>LEAF
Fatwitz is a legitimate solution, you raging homosexual.
>>78936165
For it to be a solution it has to fucking work.
Are Americans less fat today than before? No. Is it because they exercise less? No. Gym memberships are up, fitness equipment sales are up, workout nutrition and etc. is a bigger industry today than ever before.
Exercise. isn't. working.
>B-B-B-B-BUT IN THEORY
Fuck your theories. How many times are you going to fail at implementing your bullshit ideal world fantasy scenario that relies on everybody just magically growing a spine overnight before you admit you're a fucking commie?
>>78928899
Feed obese people to starving people. Either fat people will get some willpower and lose weight to not get eaten or you will end world hunger. either way it's some nobel prize winning shit.
>>78929491
kill yourself please nanny statist
Cut them off from all tax dollars and they'll die fast - government subsidizing corn and EBT gibs is the reason 50% of Americans are obese
>>78936470
>inb4 Australian shitposting
>>78936676
>i have no argument
>better flagpost
All that fat going to your head?
We have to get rid of all bread, potato and corn products. We should eat meats and legumes. I went from 300 to 180 and maintained it using that formula. We just need to stop growing all that stuff and concentrate on getting lab grown meats on an industrial scale.
>>78936601
This. You dont tax whatever the fuck you dislike in the hopes of making it go away. Stop fucking subsidizing their poor health choices through 'free' healthcare and then stop subsidizing the corn industry and all others.
When the people pay for their own mistakes is when the people will shape up. As long as you support their shitty lifestyles by subsidizing high calorie shit for dirt cheap and healthcare you will have these people.
>>78936827
>Legumes
No need to hurt yourself like that
>>78936827
Also you obviously need real bread, like baguettes.
>>78932228
This. Just make it ok to publicly shame obese people.
>>78937208
>be fat kid in school
>kids are all too polite and nice to mention it
>one day a new kid a joking and says id be cooler if i didnt have a gut
Fuck all those other shits for not telling me the truth from the get go. This cunt is now my best friend and an absolute straight shooter that i can rely on to tell me the truth no matter what. Helped me turn my life around. Shaming works like a motherfucker
>>78937208
Are you fat, hans?
>>78936767
Okay lets go Aussie.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/
I implore you to go to this website and look at what these men have accomplished. None of them are fat, and guess what? IT TOOK EXERCISE TO LOSE WEIGHT AND GAIN MUSCLE. Yes it takes hard work and dedication, but it also takes food and the right kind of food. It also takes having transportation to get to the gym, there are lots of things it takes and you can keep going into infinitum. But, here's the kicker, unless you have a work out routine nothing will happen. You can eat less and lose a bit of weight but until you start doing what it takes to build muscle "ie working out" then you will continue to be a fat fuck.
>>78936470
>Exercise. isn't. working.
The #1 reason for medications not working is people not taking them.
For exercise to work it needs to be done. Gym memberships dont correlate with exercise
>>78935821
Very true, until we have a culture that promotes healthy lifestyles through hard work not much will change. Degradation of our dedication is all part of the plan though.
>>78937373
You didn’t realized by yourself that you were overweight?
>>78937816
When youre a child and no one has ever mentioned it you just dont realise somethings
>>78937583
>unironically linking to www.normalfags.com
Smells like underage summerfag in here.
Hot progress pics, fagtron, but nobody gives a shit about your bullshit. You're spruiking a lifestyle that is unattractive to most people, which is why most people are fat. You can keep trying to sell your shitty used goods, but you're trying to sell a laptop to people who came into your shop looking for a freezer.
i.e. you're barking up the wrong fucking tree.
You can use all your "LOOK AT THEIR ACHIEVEMENT" rhetoric that you want, but nobody gives a shit.
>>78937702
>For exercise to work it needs to be done
So are you going to appoint an exercise gestapo to do weekly exercise checks at randomly sampled houses?
No?
Then you've got an unworkable plan and nobody cares about your fucking dumb ideas.
>>78937702
Bad example, we are living in an undiscussed plague of iatrogenic problems and bad medicine.
>>78937771
Because our culture doesn't worship athletes enough?
>>78928899
Everyone should call them fat fucks, apparently.
>>78937956
>So are you going to appoint an exercise gestapo to do weekly exercise checks at randomly sampled houses?
Nothing of the sort. I simply saw your statement of exercise not working. Seems i jumped into the conversation midway here
>>78928899
The best thing would be to make fat shming socially acceptable.
Problem is diet more than it is exercise, world is exercising more as it is and we don't need to rock the boat there.
Sin tax on sugary foods with money directly going into subsidization of healthier food. The Nanny state approach, /pol/ will bitch and cry about this but it unequivocally was an approach that worked for alcohol and the inefficiency is a cost I'm willing to pay for lower healthcare costs + less fats.
In regards to burgers, stop subsidizing corn so much what everything has HFCS added to it holy fuck. Burgers literally subsidize unhealthy food making healthy food seem comparatively expensive. Tell Iowa to go fuck themselves.
More focus on cooking in schools.
Make fat people pay more for healthcare. Make fat peoples employers pay more for healthcare. Scare the shit out of employers into making them run fitness programs because their fatass employees are costing them money. This has been successful in countries where it was tried like Japan. Unfortunately because Canadian healthcare is FUBAR the idea of people paying for the increased healthcare costs they create in Canada makes peoples heads explode.
>>78937583
>but it also takes food and the right kind of food.
Only if you want to build muscle. If you want to loose fat you can eat whatever just less of it.
>It also takes having transportation to get to the gym
How about walking there? Nice way to stop being a fatass
>But, here's the kicker, unless you have a work out routine nothing will happen.
Bullshit. You won't look like Arnold without proper diet and a routine but you will loose weight.
>>78937956
>You're spruiking a lifestyle that is unattractive to most people.
This is where it starts, until you want to be fit nothing will change. We can argue about the general sentiment in society towards working out and that is definitely something to be concerned with. With pessimistic fat Australian shit posters we won't get very far. Only with good information and a commitment to yourself to lead a better lifestyle. Eating well and exercising regularly is objectively better than stuffing your face with vegemite and pounding fosters until you die. But then again, its your life be fat if you want idc.
>>78928899
Someone remind me, doesn't National Socialism somehow fix this shit?
>>78928899
Re-work(drastically reduce) corn subsidization. Too much corn means its made into syrup which is used as a cheap additive in everything.
>>78938358
>until you want to be fit nothing will change
Wrong.
You need to want to be fit more than you don't want to exercise.
There's two components.
It's far easier to address energy intake than energy output.
>>78931238
>random gay ball sports
Why are german posters such pussies? Whats wrong with competition hans?
at 6'1 im 245 probably trying to lose excessive body fat. Though if you look at me max you'll think I'm 230 pounds because of years of lifting and exercise.
>>78938178
Because people care what you think of them? If you're overweight and know it do you really believe they give one fuck of what you say to them? Not all fat people are 16yo.
>>78938088
No...a culture that places value on hard work and healthy lifestyle. No idolization of others but value of self and disregarding body positivism falsehood.
>>78931948
Keep telling yourself that fatass. You will die young of heart failure.
>tfw I've lost about 20 lbs in 2 months from counting calories and working out
It's pure laziness. Plain and simple. For years, that's what it was for me. I figured "man, that's a lot of weight to lose, I just can't do it", so I didn't. Then when I started trying and counting calories and not being a lazy fuck, I realized just how easy it was.
Losing weight is literally:
-cut out fast food and soda
-count your portions
-don't eat out of boredom
-don't shove food in your mouth, eat slowly
-don't eat more than you are allowed
It's so fucking easy and simple.
>>78938490
>It's far easier to address energy intake than energy output
Now you are getting it. You are almost there. Now that we have addressed diet as being easier to change now we look at how to go from not as fat as before, to fit. Muscles don't build themselves from a good diet. It's one thing to eat less and another to be healthy and active.
>>78935969
>DNP is safe
It hasn't been legitimately tested SINCE the 30s
>>78938893
>le epic condescension
At this point it's clear you've forgotten what the argument is even about.
Go and re-read the OP. Good.
OP asked how to address obesity in society. The answer is not exercise. Exercise has been attempted and it has drastically, unequivocally failed. The current generation of fat adults are basically a lost cause.
Teaching children how to not get fat - how to control their energy intake - is the correct approach.
Take your dime store self-help to /fit/ with the other normalfags.
>>78928899
Make it illegal to be fat
>tfw gf is a fat fetishist
>>78938647
You think fat fucks werent fat in high school? Socially ostracizing people works.
>>78938679
American hatred of hard work is new and comes directly from government programs.
>>78939021
I survived it, how can we ever know if we canny test it.
>>78938879
What if laziness is genetic as well as self control? No different than iq
>>78939264
Surviving it doesn't mean it's safe. Something that hasn't has an official test in over 70 years is pretty risky.
Fattie summer camp.
It's like Treblinka but for fat people.
>>78939319
It's really not, though, and has never been proposed as such.
>>78939087
So in this quest to educate children are you going to not tell them to exercise? I'm all for education on being healthy but holy fuck not encouraging exercise is stupid. Which is what we are talking about btw. Because you seem to think that exercise is somehow unrelated to health and promoting health amongst society.
>>78936477
nice cherries you got there
>>78928899
enforce a limit to how many food products can be purchased per month by calories and forbid certain foods to people with higher weight/forbid foods that have to much sugar,fat and caffeine
Honestly, the only thing that works is fat shaming, and I'm a fat guy so I speak from experience.
>>78939360
Yeah i would be up for testing it though on me, the thing is weight loss is fuck easy, every fit thread has 100 of these >>78938879
>muh counting calories
>muh easy weight loss
>muh no magic pill
I found myself dropping weight is easy but 5 years down the line it is a different story for 90% of people unless it becomes their entire life.
incentives for healthy behavior, e.g. reduced taxes on healthy food, cheap possibilities to work-out.
sanction for unhealthy behavior, e.g. extra taxes for fat / sugar, having to pay increased insurance rates for being to heavy.
>>78939474
>caffeine
Actually, fat people should be drinking more caffeine drinks (except for pop and sugary coffee drinks, of course). Caffeine is an EXCELLENT appetite suppressant. Similar to drinking water during a meal, it helps make you feel less hungry, which is what a lot of diet pills basically are made from.
>>78929482
>be fat
>laws says fat people can't reproduce
>fuck and get pregnant anyway
>have home birth and then go register child
What can you do to stop this other than kill the child?
>>78939418
Yes, you are correct. Exercise should take a back seat to the diet and nutrition focus, because people don't exercise even when they're aware of why they should.
How does the obesity epidemic break down between races? Are some groups more disproportionately afflicted than others, like with violent crime? How much of the statistical rise in US obesity is due to immigration from Mexico, the other fattest nation?
These are important questions I hardly see asked.
>>78939610
That's why you need to make it a habit. It only takes about 40 days to make something a habit. Counting calories, going to the gym, skipping fast food and substituting vegetables and homemade meals; it's all the same.
Health is MEANT to be a lifestyle.
>>78928899
1. Reform school system.
Exercise and weight-control later in life is much easier if you develop the habit of healthy eating and exercise when you are young. Healthy eating for children is a bit of a challenge, but kids literally will run around all the time on their own and burn energy like crazy. Our current school system just forces them to sit in chairs for eight hours a day and medicates them if they can't pay attention.
Have a two-hour mandatory recess period every day. Incorporate more exercise into the classes themselves. Some classes you need to sit and study, but others, like biology, can easily incorporate a hike ever now and then.
Make gym classes fun. Kids are full of lots of violent, energetic urges. Unfortunately, we've banned any contact sports or fun stuff from our gym classes. Bring them back - teaching kids the ability to control their violent urges is important, not to mention a lot more fun than whatever softcore bullshit current gym classes allow.
2. Diet.
Reduce the amount of sugar that are used in every day foods. Reduce the amount of bread and other carbs that are used in meals as well. Americans have EXTREMELY sugary deserts - you can make delicious deserts that aren't quite so sugary, too.
Get kids hooked on this diet young, and it will be much easier to control sugar cravings later in life. This will probably mean some draconian laws.
3. Culture change
Encourage workplaces to provide access to gyms and breaks during the day to work out via tax breaks for those who do. Stop this fat acceptance nonsense. Let everyone know it's never too late to improve yourself. It's been shown that once someone begins exercising, everyone they're friends with is likely to begin exercising as well, so perhaps an ad campaign that targets extremely social individuals?
Really the first two are more important though.
>>78928899
There, fixed it for you.
>>78939803
Yeah and most of the public can not do that, it is not about pride it is about reducing over all risk.
>>78928899
>Foodstamps only cover fresh produce
>longer class time and more intense curriculums for gym class
>health and nutrition classes starting in first grade
Fatty here, most fatso start as children and are poor so we need to make sure their parents arnt able to ruin them so easily.
>>78928899
It would have to be done via taxation or government imposed sanctions---neither would get much traction here on /pol/. I'm a nurse practitioner, I can educate until I asphyxiate; doesn't matter. People don't change their lifestyle habits easily and if they do it's after a quad bipass--funded by sweet medicaid/medicare dollars (meaning you and me, fellow burgers).
If we imposed a tax on everyone who cannot run a mile in under 12 minutes, triple taxed junk food out of the hands of lower SES families and mandated large urban environments as "car and bus free", we might see change.
>>78939920
It's not about pride to make it a habit. It's the concept of sticking with something for the long run.
>>78939686
well, shit...
however i added caffeine because i targeted health in general instead of just fat-loss and said that they should decrease the amount of sugar fat and caffeine in certain foods and drinks.
>>78939793
these qt are from mexico?
>>78940201
The public =/= self control
>>78939793
Dat left booty tho
>>78939793
not races but body types.
>>78940242
No.
>>78939021
Let's see how you're doing in 18 months
>>78939793
Yes. Blacks and Hispanics are more likely to obese/overweight than whites. That gap has been closing in America; fairly rapidly in fact. Blacks and Hispanics are still more at risk for DM Type 2 and Hyperlipdemia.
>>78937208
This itself will be an uphill battle, but one I believe we can win if we dedicate ourselves to it and secure allies, maybe a couple PR firms
>>78928899
Where did you get that picture? Tell that bitch she is fat.
>>78940242
France wtf?
>>78934795
>>78935171
It takes both, really, to get people on the level of health we need them to be to not be an embarrassing burden to their country.
Eat well and do some form of lifting and some form of cardio. The holy trinity of health, but you need all three.
>>78939793
Blacks and mestizos are massively fat, they tend to consume much more processed foods.
>>78939712
Take child away and tax you the entire cost of living. If you can't afford it, you are imprisoned at a work camp making AMERICAN MADE goodies for minimum wage while being salads (no dressing) twice a day.
>>78940511
So Whites have been catching up to Blacks and Hispanics? Fuck...
>>78932849
>>78940975
salad and sardines. A person needs protein to survive.
>>78939187
>tfw ostracized fat people will just become /pol/acks
Or are we still holding on to the "we're all Chads" meme.
>>78928899
pamphlets showing that yes, healthy food is cheaper than McDonald on average.
>>78928899
you don't get it. i've been running this two weeks. you know what happened ? i busted my knees and ankles. plus i didn't lose any kilograms. i give up. life is short, food is the only thing that makes me feel good. not people, not hobby, not even women. food.
>>78929176
Won't work, they'll "muh genetics" their way right out of it.
One time I gained like 30 pounds because I was an average college student (dude weed lmao) and lost it all in 2-3 months of watching my food and working out 3 times a week.
I used it on jewbook to show people it can be easy if you actually put your fucking mind to it. Nobody but my /fit/ friends acknowledged it.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19752881
TL;DR - Fat kids adopted into normal households invariably become fat adults.
What do you do about this?
>>78940353
Pretty good since I'm not a flake and have actual results. Sorry that you can't accept that people have will power and don't need to hope for a magic drug to make up for their laziness.
>>78929482
This would be good except base it off of Body Mass Index instead of weight due to different heights.
Anyone with a BMI of over 30 is not allowed to reproduce
>>78941395
You're a bit wrong about this burger.
You can buy five mcdoubles giving you a days worth of calories for $5. That takes zero time to cook for a poor person working two jobs and taking care of a family. That's obviously a pants on head retarded diet but just saying look at it from their perspective.
The people going "If you just cook and eat good food, you can be healthier for cheaper!" ignore the time spent preparing that healthy food generally. Now if the US stopped subsidizing beef so much than mcdonalds would be too expensive for poors and such a pamphlet might be more effective...
>>78942131
And if the US stopped subsidizing beef, it would be expensive EVERYWHERE, which would still keep people from cooking.
The issue isn't "make it too expensive to buy fast food", because it will backfire. You need education and to oust the idiots who support fat acceptance.
>>78928899
I think the solution is to just absolutely overthrow the entire system by shattering the pillar holding up the entirety of progressivism - denial.
Look at how backwards everything is. Just look at OP's image. "I am not fat". Yes, you fucking are. This is exactly what George Orwell warned us about; the progressives are simply stating the opposite of the truth. And I'm not just talking about OP's image of course, I'm talking about all of the progressive / feminist / SJW rhetoric they put out on youtube, and on social media. Go look at some of their content, and consider how much of it is simply assertive the opposite of reality, with no real evidence or arguments to back up what they're saying.
So the solution is to simply SPREAD THE TRUTH. The more truth that is out there, and the more people who stand up for what is right, the more quickly we can defeat them. We need to tell people that it's ok to have standards, and you don't have to like a fat chick. You're even allowed to prefer certain races over others in terms of sexual attraction. You're not obligated to treat a transgender mtf, the same you would a real woman. You are allowed to prefer the latter and have no desire whatsoever for the former.
We need to debunk this feminist myth that it's ok to be fat, and that men should be just as attracted to fat women. You're not going to change what we're attracted to, anymore than you can stop fish from swimming, or you can stop birds from flying. It's in our nature. We don't care if you think it's discriminatory, we're allowed to be a bit selective with where we dispense our semen, and if you want it in you, then you better get your fucking act together you fat ugly feminist bitches.
>>78930292
El oh fucking el.
Sanctions on US goods?
It's like you want to get FREEDUM'D.
>>78942228
Beef would be expensive everywhere without subsidies however generally America doesn't need to be subsidizing calorie dense foods. I'm not saying "Make fast food expensive", although DESU I would be open to that.
I'm saying stop with the retarded subsidies that subsidize the fuck out of calorie dense ingredients like meat and HFCS. America if anything is proof that adjusting the price of food does affect the health of the population, because America has distorted the fuck out of the price of food in ways that encourage obesity.
>>78928899
>most fat people are leftist hippies
>we popularize the shit out of prolonged meditation
>if they are meditating they cant eat
>we tell them it makes them more intuned with nature or some shit
>they will feel better because they are less fat
>they will tell their fat friends to be "intuned with nature"
>we can even get feminists with the whole "mother nature" bullshit
>>78942632
>wants to increase the price of meat
>already very expensive in general
No thanks. There is nothing wrong with meat. It is the staple of a meal, and a huge source of protein. And contrary to your beliefs, meat isn't that high in calories.
Fast food is the issue, not the components that make it. Restricting salt, trans fats, meats, etc, won't stop anything, it'll just make people mad because now regular food is expensive for no reason other than trying to punish fatties.
eat less.
>>78942795
>contrary to your beliefs, meat isn't that high in calories.
American Education
Shaming
Just put this pic of me when I was depressed up, that'll fix it :^)
Kill fat people.
Alternatively, more taxing.
>is fat
>says she is not fat
What the fuck
>>78943085
A 6 oz steak is only 350 calories.
80/20 ground beef is only 1152
A single boneless skinless chicken breast is 284
A 219g pork chop is 505.
Meat isn't some evil food. It's necessary and healthy. Your habits are what make it bad.
>>78941841
nah dude if they pull the "muh genetics" card just say that if it is in our nature to choose not to reproduce with planetoids because of their genetics, pull the biology card and say it's natural selection
>>78943330
A pound of 80/20 ground beef, that is.
I don't know about you guys but I was never taught anything about macro-nutrients during my time in school. I was taught the basics of what a carbohydrate is and how calories breakdown in the body but not much about actual nutrition and how to change and sculpt my body to my desires. It wasn't until I went to /fit/ did I learn the importance of anything related to nutrition and exercise.
Every boy and girl in schools should be taught from a young age about the basic theory's of nutrition, diet, general health, hygiene and exercise. This does happen to a degree (based on my own anecdotal experiences of education) but it wasn't enough knowledge for me to shape my body as I desired or knew what was healthy and what wasn't.
When someone is in their youth these good habits are even more useful for positive development both in a mental capacity as well as a physical one as it develops self-discipline and a positive feedback loop of setting attainable goals and then reaching them. JFKs young athletics program was one that should have been continued and been expanded on, make this at the compulsory level and combine it with a class that teaches nutrition and diet and you will find that the rate of obesity will slowly decline. The main thing is to target the young and give them the skills they need to sculpt their bodies to their desires.
>>78942298
Also, let me tell you about my personal experience with weight. Last year, I was 250 pounds, and I would drink 2 mountain dews every single day. When I woke up in the morning, I would start eating, and when I got done with that meal, I would move on to another meal, or to a snack. When I got done with that, I would move on to more eating, and more and more. I would literally wake up in the morning, and just sit around and play video games and eat all day long. Just non-stop eating. I would constantly have gas, and when I would lay in bed at night, I would have an uncomfortable burning sort of feeling in my chest.
I'm now down to 210 pounds, and I noticed that as I stopped drinking pop and started eating healthier foods in general, I feel much more active, I have more energy, I'm happier, and I don't get pimples nearly as bad anymore.
This is just to put things into perspective for those who have always been at a relatively stationary weight - Having lived at various weights, I can tell you, the fatter you are, the more miserable and unhealthy you are. So yes, feminists are indeed lying when they promote obesity. It's not a happy lifestyle, and it IS unhealthy. And fuck them for condemning young girls to a lifestyle that will leave them alone and miserable; they're clearly just trying to spite others because they couldn't get laid. That's what feminism is all about at its core.
The best argument for fitness - once you put aside aesthetics because of course being a hambeast is body acceptance and they are equally beautiful - is the utility of it. Social capital hardly different from money. You will find life to be easier, and it will provide advantages. You will be happier. Your sleep pattern will be better. It will alleviate your depression and self-loathing. Functional, physical tasks will become less laborious. Aside from time constraints, there is no reason not to exercise.
First idea is to take away health benefits and make them pay more for insurance as it is a health risk that is controllable.
Second is to ban all of the garbage food that is literally empty callories, preservatives, and fat, but especially "diet" or "low-fat" foods that encourage over-eating
>>78944022
>banning legitimate diet tools like low-fat/cal foods
Fuck you. Lowfat yogurt is a go-to for someone who wants a quick snack. Don't punish everyone for the actions of fatties.
>>78928899
Just make everyone over 300lb be restricted from getting benefits or medical insurence unless their weight comes from an actual medical disease like diabetes, the limit for these people should be 400lb
>>78928899
>fat people die young
>have fewer children
Long term, the problem fixes itself, doesn't it?
>>78928899
Rebrand fat shaming as health shaming. That little twist in language makes the position a lot harder to defend. Pair that with a similar campaign that encouraged people to stop smoking and you will see a couple percentage points shift every year until you reach a natural plateau of fucks given.
>>78943330
Yeah that's calorie dense relative to most foods.
Maybe, maybe there might just be a connection between the fact that Americans regularly rank as the biggest consumer of meats in the world because of the cheap subsidized prices of meat there, and Americans waistlines? Nah, that's crazy talk, the USDA told you guys that shoving more meat down your gullet than any other country in the world makes you stronger.
respect life go vegan
its healthy too you will lose weight
>>78939791
Sorry but you are wrong to say people don't exercise. I agree nutrition is where to start, especially in schools. However we have pizzas labeled as vegetables and no recess in schools any more. Fucked school system is fucked
>>78939712
Kill the child.
I'm just a dumb slav, but i think i have a solution for the obesity epidemic. it's kind of complicated, so try to follow me here-what if...they stopped overeating?
>>78928899
Mandatory testosterone injections
This is also the only 100% way to redpill males.
Cut off all benefits for the obese. You can get an exception with a body fat percentage measure (for heavy atheletes)
But it wont matter. In 5 years there's gonna be a drug which causes fat cells to burn fat
>>78944287
Americans are fat because of sugar, bread, and fatty dairy.
>>78930539
Georgia fought hard. I am slightly proud.
>>78944442
Why are people saying this drug will exist? Aren't there already meth pills that do this?
>>78944420
on the average vegan men have higher testosterone
>>78928899
Make fast food even more unhealthy and let natural selection do its job
>>78930578
tl;dr niggers
Stop the "buy one, get one free" sales on sodas and ice cream.
>>78944677
oh so you know science and shit. can you explain why they have higher testosterone yet are still such pussies?
>>78944297
i like chicken. it's tasty. the birds are retarded, I don't feel bad eating them. No meat is shit for you
>>78933262
Calories in and calories out concept is total bullshit. There are several mechanisms your body have to accumulate fat. The most agressive is throughout the insulin after eating tons of carbs. So the carb-calories are the worst
>>78930655
This. Kids need to be put into team sports right away. Not only does it keep them active and set the tone for their metabolism the rest of their life, it also exposes them to social pressure.
>>78943436
A huge problem with educating people about this is that it usually works against the interests of agriculture who works tooth and nail to keep this education out of food and instead infiltate the schools with propaganda that makes them more money.
>>78944552
True. They're fat because of all those reasons, sugar in the form of HFCS has by far the greatest evidence for causing the current obesity problems, corn subsidies probably fuck up Americans diets more than every other subsidy combined. Still americans do eat more meat than pretty much every other country because of the artifically low prices of meat in America, which doesn't really make much sense to subsidise given Americans obesity problems and the calorie dense nature of meat.
>>78944827
Variations of test between the normal levels for males mean shit.
The actual gains from test only come if you have far, FAR more than the normal which is only possible through roids, or legitimately have low test like literal woman levels and enter the normal range through TRT. Even then the gains would just be better compared to the woman tier shit you were before, but still nowhere near roid levels of gains
>>78944626
I'm saying it because I'm working on it. It'll also supress appetite some. Abuse could result in depression.
Meth enhances respiration in the whole body, this will only affect adiposcytes
>>78945077
>mostly shit carbs
>biggest amounts of serving
TOP KEK YOU LITERALLY CAN'T MAKE THIS UP
>>78931948
Actually this is already pretty attainable. Simple over the counter amphetamines can pretty much accomplish this, like time release Dexedrine will totally kill your appetite for 8+ hours.
>>78945238
Good deal. Keep up the good work. I'm naturally thin, but if you can fix fat chicks I feel like I would still benefit.
>>78945077
Lean meat is not particularly calorically dense. A large strip steak is less than 500 calories. Butter, cheese, and dugar are the real problem
HFSC is not meaningfully nutrionally different than table sugar, except in fructose sensitive people. Its 55-45 fructose/glucose, compared to 50/50 in sucrose. Doesn't taste as good though
>male
>decent height(192cm)
>eat like a pig as god intended
>do some running once a week so i don't turn to mush
that's literally all you have to do. anyone that's fat must be the laziest person on earth, i say this as the second laziest person on earth
>>78945641
Yeah to be clear I don't mean to imply that HFCS is a super boogeyman form of sugar that will kill you and your entire family because it causes a higher insulin response than sugar. I realize my post sounds remarkably similar to those retards.
Still, I would say HFCS being added to every food, and again the problem would be nearly identical if sugar was being added to every food in the same way, is a huge driver of the obesity problem.
>>78945813
That level of exercise burns basically nothing. Only real strength training and marathon volume cardio contribute much to fat loss. You vastly underestimate how much fatties eat. It takes positive effort to stay fat
subsidized stomach folding (pose)
it's really easy, comparatively cheap to perform, and the patient is out in a day, also gets all the benefits of a roux en y surgery without much of the risks
it's rather new though
but the research is fairly clear that for severe obesity there is no going back unless you stomp on their rights and ship them to camps. surgery at least reduces neurotransmitters and also basically resets the hormones that you permanently fuck up by being obese.
it's sad but it seems to be general consensus where i work.
while you're busy trying to undo the damage people have done to themselves, you make damn sure that kids don't ever get obese. which is what's basically happening now.
>>78945641
>>78946057
Fructose in particular is excellent at skyrocketing your leptin tolerance, though. It's one of the reasons that people who drink too much soda tend to be fatties- they're burning at both ends between the extra liquid calories and the incredibly distorted sense of fullness.
>>78929491
>Make having fat kids considered child abuse
Best one yet.
You can control 100% of what the kids eats for the first 7 years easily. This puts them on a good path.
If they're fat early they're doomed.
I take my kid to the playground and see loads of fat kids.
The truth is, eating shit is far cheaper and far more time-efficient than eating healthier. Working class and precariat individuals do not have the time, money or inclination to prepare a balanced diet. I propose that a government subsidy on fresh fruit and vegetables be introduced, and tax be increased on bullshit like Rustlers and Pot Noodle. I'm trying to cut down, but when I can buy a meal for one quid and have it ready to go in about two minutes that's tough to argue with. It has basically no nutritional value but when you're working a sixty hour week, studying or on the NEET-line nutrition is not something you can afford. Taxing fizzy drinks is a start (though diet drinks should be exempt) but that's all stick and no carrot. Take the money saved by taxing junk food and incentivise healthier alternatives.
>>78946574
>Tfw fat parents
>Was the fat kid
>Wizened up at around 13 and told my parents they buy vegetables or I fuck off
Why is this so hard
>go to fat acceptance meeting
>start poking the lardasses with pointy stick until they start chasing you
>make them chase you
>>78947046
Being fat isn't about what you eat, but how much
>>78947987
I'm not sure that's quite right. Eating things with no tangible nutritional value, high sugar, fat and salt and then living a sedentary lifestyle, whether through wagecuckery or NEETdom, is going to fuck with your health. The knock-on effect is that it saps your energy, and then it's even tougher to get started. Throw excessive alcohol into the mix - and Britain has a huge drink problem that historically always worsens in times of financial hardship - and you have a sorry state of affairs.
>>78948265
He didn't say being healthy
He said being fat
You will not gain weight eating under your TDEE consuming anything. If you consumed -500 of your TDEE on pastries, you'd lose weight but sure as shit wouldn't be healthy.
Remember that fat is the body's energy storage mechanism. The only way to get fat is to consume more energy than you intake.
>>78933955
I actually somewhat agree with you here. Part of being depressed is feeling constantly overwhelmed, and making positive life choices in that mental state is not easy. I don't think we should directly bully them, but promoting fat acceptance is straight ludacris.
>>78948618
Are you telling me that someone drinking half a litre of vodka a day won't put on weight? Diet mixers have negligible calories and spirits don't really have many. Nevertheless, compulsive drinkers tend to carry more weight.
>>78930714
this solves three problems. obesity, virginity, and women's rights. i'd say most fat feminists would stop that special snowflake shit if they could just get what their instincts drave.
>>78928899
Toss them into Trump's wall building gulag. Four hard years of forced labor should slap some fat off of their ass.
>>78928899
Taxation on means to get obese, i.e. junk food, sugars, beers.
Financial aid in treatment for the underlying causes, I.e. help for those with psychological issues causing poor impulse control or cheaper operations like stomach size reduction surgeries.
