Name ONE, just ONE reason why psychedelics should be banned.
>>78915605
Fuck off, hippie
degenerate
If not banned they should be pretty strictly controlled. These things aren't for everyone.
>>78915605
Brain damage
>>78915605
Uneducated masses are unprepared for such wisdom, it must be guarded closely.
it doesn't really matter if psychedelic mushrooms are banned or not. You can still go and pick them and eat them, unless you're some kind of robotic uber-cuck who can't break a law even if you practically can't get caught.
>>78915605
Psychoactive substance that heavily alter people's minds and reactions.
May put people in dangerous situations for them and those around them without the subject having control of himself.
>>78915605
They are degenerate, and liberals enjoy using them.
>>78915605
They shouldn't, but their consumers need to fuck into the woods and never come back.
>>78915605
Laws exist to protect you.
>>78915605
no taxes
>>78915605
Because we can and there is nothing you can do about it.
>>78915605
I believe all drugs should be legalised. If you're dumb enough to use them then go ahead, ruin your body and die, you fucking degenerate. It will help the natural selection a bit
I can't.
Most people don't want anything to do with them, and many who do decide that's about enough and then don't care much to try it again. The small fraction of people who go full retard over it are shunned by everybody else in the same way the people who go full retard over anything else are.
>>78915877
Ban alcohol!
>>78915753
Pretty much this. If they aren't banned, there should be places where you can go and take them in a safe setting and you aren't running around in public causing problems. It would be a win/win for the person taking them and society at large.
>>78915862
>You can still go and pick them and eat them
The simple things.
Driving under psychedelics
Using a hydraulic press under psychedelics
Disciplining a child under psychedelics
Walking across the road under psychedelics
Stock brokering under psychedelics
Cutting vegetables under psychedelics
Neurosurgery under psychedelics
College exams under psychedelics
...
>>78915996
I agree sorta the problem for me is the non degenerates that get pulled down with the druggies
>>78916115
life is simple and easy mang
>>78915996
>Psychedelics ruining your body and killing you.
Hyperbolic!
>>78915605
Because psychedelics are like any other Drug: Retarded!
I spend many Years in my Life taking drugs. It was such a senseless time.
because i dont like them
only liberals do and they need to die
>>78915605
Because you enjoy them.
>>78915996
Socialist health care makes us pay for their hospitization.
>>78915665
tell that to Evola and see what happens, burger
>>78916287
>/pol/ in a nutshell
Also imagine every third person you meet being a psychedelic advocate like joe rogan and talking about their experiences. Sounds really annoying. Should probably just keep them banned.
>>78916300
>apply socialist healthcare
>use cost as an excuse to ban anything sjw's/puritans dont like
and this is why I hate the government
degenerate, makes you complacent, but we need everybody to stop the online fundraiser of Sacramento Antifa:
>>78898573
They can be used as weapons.
Read up on LSD.
>>78915815
Fuck off, Huxley.
>>78915605
because bad trips are the worst thing m8
t. had a bad LSD trip
Ego Death would be widespread and cause even more mental issues.
People are dumb and will put other people in danger
It should be banned to sell, if you pick them you will have a better knowledge of them. Idiots will buy them and just take them for the hallucinations
It is very sacred to trip balls and asses oneself on mushrooms
>>78916595
But you have learned from this. So dont do Drugs!
>>78916272
>i can't get a grip on my life so we should ban everything for everyone!
>>78915605
because you are a degenerate autistic libtard
>>78916595
That's part of the bargain. I assume you knew the risks beforehand.
>>78915605
Drugs are for fags who can't take harsh reality
>>78916704
I learned to never touch psycho drugs again. quit weed several years later.
feels based. fuck drugs, fuck them deep without any lubricants
>>78915605
They are degenerate and against God's law.
>>78916814
This x100.
>>78915605
Unnecessary death and injury to others.
>>78915745
this desu desu senpai
>>78916785
I was a troubled depressed kid. turns out drugs can't solve anything, only you can change your shitty self
>>78916814
Aldous Huxley was so lucidly aware of his reality that he basically predicted the next 100 years of political trend.
>le escapism meme
>>78917065
Wise words.
>>78916741
No.
Every Drug user i know miss something in Life. Most of Them just want to get high to leave reality.
>>78915605
To prevent the goyim from seeing the truth. That's all.
>>78917065
Don't blame drugs on your shortcomings then. They actually made you realize that you were a piece of shit. Bad trips are basically wake up calls.
>>78915605
Because they're capable of causing a complete loss of control causing the imbiber to become a hazard to public safety.
This isn't that difficult to figure out. If it caused the user to become catatonic, I wouldn't even care.
>>78916855
>too pussy to handle a bad trip
>"based"
>>78915605
makes the goyim too happy and then those stupid tax cattle might not spend all their money on prescription pills from big pharma
>>78916855
Thats what i want to hear! Fuck Drugs!
>reality
top kek
>>78917180
>>78917230
mom, stop coming here on 4chan please
>>78915862
I'm scared I'll pick the wrong one and die though
>>78917291
you'd sure need some LSD to realize how shit your arguments are :^)
>>78916814
>Drugs which exist in reality and are a part of it
>Drugs are for fags who can't take harsh reality
Doesn't make logical sense m8. It's actually quite the opposite.
>>78917248
"Reality" is just the sum of what you're able to experience. Poor nodrugcucks cannot understand that. The reality you construct in your mind is not real, it's your version of reality.
>>78916020
I agree, ban alcohol.
>>78917211
>smoked weed everyday for 16 years
>quit cold turkey 14 month ago
feels absolutely based. I changed, turned me from an autist akward vampire to a responsible man caring for his loved ones
>>78915605
They can trigger psychosis
>>78917362
Disabling your ability to think logically is illogical.
>>78917305
Pfff...if you would get your lazy Ass from my Couch and stop smoking weed all Day i wouldnt come here you little Cunt!
>>78917564
>smoking weed everyday for 16 years straight in the first place
well, there's your problem.
So many good goyim here. Yes! We simply want to keep you safe. Now, be sure to go buy that bottle of tequila tonight! Don't forget to take your Prozac!
>>78917368
>"Reality" is just the sum of what you're able to experience.
This just in: Scientists dumbfounded: drugs able to alter your perception!
>>78917589
Exactly. Anon-kun made that mistake.
I think he needs to take a hit of this fire to clear his mind.
>>78915605
I was an atheist before I took shrooms. I believe in a supreme being now, though not the one the Bible describes, more in line with pantheism.
>>78917604
except i don't smoke weed everyday. worst i've done was couple of times a week for a month.
no wonder you guys hate drugs, you basically fell for the addiction meme for decades.
>>78917638
>Start doing drugs because some old jew told you to not take them
Based as Fuck!
>>78917368
So constructs of the mind are not real?
Then where do they come from?
>>78915605
i dont see why people bitch about the legality of
drugs its really not that hard to get a hold of them
and if you cant afford them you shouldnt be doing them.
>>78917757
Psychedelics isnt about altering the input, its about altering how you experience it.
The difference is pretty big: for example if you put on sunglasses, you alter the input of your vision. But if you took psychedelics you understand that what you "see" of the world is simply just what your brain sees, and its not "reality".
Weed, alcohol, cocaine, heroin etc. arent psychedelics btw and should not be discussed here.
>>78916020
>>78917414
I agree but unfortunately alcohol is too easy to make. Better to have it controlled
>>78916169
i believe its on* psychedelics and clearly you have no fucking idea what your talking about,
i doubt a neurosurgeon would even make it to work on a decent dose of shrooms
>>78917564
>my drug experiences are the same as everybody else's
Just because weed makes you autistic and LSD gives you bad trips doesn't mean they do the same to me. I've smoked weed daily for 10 years and am high functioning, it improves my sociability and I always attend business events while high. LSD greatly improves my creativity and I use it once in a while when playing music or doing sketches. Shrooms have time and time again helped me recover from depressive slumps that have affected my work.
>>78917956
Alcohol is like any other drug. There will always be some people who have a problem, and it's up to the rest of us to help them so that we don't need a police state to keep bad behavior in line.
>>78917899
>and if you cant afford them you shouldnt be doing them.
Nice bait. Access do life-enhancing and enlightening substances should be a human right.
>>78917113
/thread
>>78915605
They're harmful to some people's psyche, and extensive psychedelic use turns people into retards.
What other reason do you want? It's not like it matters if it's banned or not anyway, mushrooms are way too easy to grow and find for it to be successfully eradicated.
>>78915753
>If not banned they should be pretty strictly controlled. These things aren't for everyone.
Weren't shrooms legal until 2004 in your place?
>>78915665
>>78915745
>>78915897
>>78916287
Not an argument.
>Liberals
>the fucking shamans of siberia
No.
>>78915862
>You can still go and pick them and eat them,
All our cows are in the mountains, that sounds like a nightmare of electrified fences and suspicious as fuck locals.
>>78915605
>Name ONE, just ONE reason why psychedelics should be banned.
They shouldn't be.
>>78917770
>I halucinated while taking drugs
>My halucinations consisted of seeing and feeling things
>Therefore God is real
I guess you were just a fedora who never gave much thought to things
>>78918167
Sauce?
Psychedelics are good fun and make you a better person. I think they should be legalized and regulated. Psychedelics don't even function in a way that allows them to become addictive. You get an extreme tolerance for LSD after one dose that doesn't go away for weeks.
>>78917802
ahahaha so true, to the point where they get butt hurt defending laws they dont even understand themselves
>>78918134
>>78917113
Bad argument. Most of us are "missing" something from our lives.
Unless you're a Buddhist or other spiritual who reached a state where you dont have needs anymore.
Just because you don't understand even yourself that doesn't mean you're not missing anything. Maybe you miss more adventure, or more connection to people etc. and your frustration manifests itself in ways you cant understand.
But I agree a lot of drug users are simply just doing drugs as an escape mechanism, but psychedelics arent like that.
However a lot of psychedelics drug users came from other drugs. But this is not a 1-1 relationship.
>>78918107
>Enlightening.
>Hey guys I just did acid and now I understand everything.
>We're all one consciousness.
>God is a woman.
>We need to get beyond ourselves man.
>The South Americans know so much.
>Did you know that drugs are only illegal because evil puritans didn't want you to have sex.
>etc.
>>78918209
Yeah, that would be accurate if I actually concluded that what I hallucinated was real. But I didn't, you're misunderstanding me.
Psychedelics inhibit most functions of the brain, but accelerate pattern recognition. They make possible associations of seeminglt unrelated pieces of information you were already aware of.
This is how several notable scientists, doctors and mathematicians have achieved important, verifiable realizations on psychedelics which among other things led to the discovery of the double helix structure of DNA and the PCR method for duplicating it.
They should be as banned as alcohol and tobacco and bacon
Heavy use can give you aspbergers and make you socially retarded and distant. It can easily induce psychosis which leads to emotional scarring and fuck a person over for months.
>>78915605
Because they can make you lose your mind for life.
>>78915605
pointless, shit grows everywhere, including the lawn of your local police station
>>78918105
you need to go to a pub m9
literally 10% of the fucktards there have some kind of problem
>>78918581
Some species do, other species grow only in certain countries.
>>78918107
then go pick them yourselves? your stupid if you think everyone should have access to cheap and legal psycedelic substances,
you know as well as i do that some people should just never do drugs period.
>>78918447
>posts gif from an sjw show of some cunt with a highly addictive, high carcinogenic drug
>2016
>not posting a webm
No reason unless you want your third eyed to remain firmly shut
>>78915605
It's a chemical weapon.
>>78918447
yeah no nigger, they just make you walk the unbeaten path of your mind when you do them.
it's up to every person to use that different perspective in a meaningful way, to enrich your life inwards and outwards or to just party hard with some tibet loving fags.
chugging pills and tabs of LSD doesn't make you enlightened, if there's such thing as enlightenment at all.
thinking differently can shake your certainties though, and that's only positive.
>>78918191
if your too stupid to cultivate your own shrooms then you should keep your mouth shut,
your only going to give other drug users a bad wrap.
>>78918502
LSD can also cure depression and weed inhibits cancer cell growth.
>>78918447
The more you post the more it becomes apparent you have no idea what you're talking about. Everything you know about drugs seems to come from D.A.R.E. and movie stereotypes.
>>78918628
Most high functioning alcoholics think they dont have a problem. But if you drink more than once a week and more than one-two beers you're already an alcoholic.
>>78918628
ahaha yep especially in australia m8, then again all of america is fucked regardless of whether its at
the pub or not.
>>78917821
What?
>>78918727
For (you)
>>78918460
Aren't you then saying that you associated those real pieces of information to conclude the existence of a deity? The discoveries you mention, or any discovery for that matter, is verifiable but your claim is not. I concede that there can be a positive side from using psychedelics but I still think the majority of the experiences are just random halucinations with no consequence to the real world.
>>78918628
No need. I know a lot of people with a booze problem or a pill problem. Many, many more than even the ones who got transiently weird on psychedelics.
>>78918727
WebMeMe first work everywhere.
Just google ass-fuckery
>>78919033
Sometimes however, these seemingly random hallucinations force us to see or experience connections and abstract ideas we otherwise wouldn't have. In this light, there are consequences to the real world.
>>78918857
As though every LSD user doesn't tell you that they learned a ton from their trip. When you start to ask them what they learned it's either platitudes or they dodge the question. Trying to divine knowledge from a hallucination is trying to bleed a turnip.
>>78918860
in australia the definition of binge drinking or alcoholics is actually more than 4 standard in one sitting.
>>78919347
>asking someone to explain an experience outside the limits of regular consciousness
This is typically normalfags' critical error.
>>78915605
It's pretty obvious from reading these posts that the vast majority of posters don't know jack shit about mushrooms.
I personally do take a large dose of mushrooms every few months, alone at night in my bedroom. I certainly don't recommend other people do the same. It's not for everyone and used improperly, it can be quite dangerous.
As it is right now shrooms are illegal technically but are pretty much just hush hushed. In almost every state you can buy everything to grow online. There are no "mushroom task forces" by police or any of that shit. It's more of if you want to do shrooms, fine but fuck off and keep it private.
>inb4 degenerate
I use shrooms like meditation. Self reflection. Gaining clarity.
All the hippy seeing other dimensions crap or whatever is stupid. But the power if gives you to explore your mind is truly incredible.
>>78919449
If you can't explain what you learned did you really learn anything?
>>78918428
I did shrooms few times and it wasn't bad at all, but I never had a bad trip so I can't really say anything bad about it. It's just that me and many of my friends did drugs with one purpose and that was escaping from reality(read shitty lifes)
>>78919550
That depends. Are learning and explaining the same thing? Is understanding and explaining the same thing?
>>78915605
There isn't a single sensible reason why they should be banned.
Psychedelics are not like other drugs, although they are often bunched together with things like cocaine, methamphetamine, etc. We understand pretty well how cocaine works, how methamphetamine is metabolized, and how to synthesize THC even. What we do not understand is psychedelics. Sure, we know about the pathways, the pharmacological properties, but we have absolutely no idea what causes hallucinations, why they are formed the way they are, and the different types of them (auditory, sensory). All psychedelic compounds, with some notable exceptions, rely on the serotonin pathway to achieve their effect. Serotonin is a neurotransmitter that is responsible for emotion, regulation of appetite, sleep and many, many other things we still have no idea. Scientists are still trying to find the reason behind the fact that 90% of our serotonin is located in the gastro-intestinal tract instead of the brain.
The banning of psychedelics has impeded the understanding of many mental illnesses, such as schizophrenia and Charles Bonnet syndrome. Why have psychedelics been banned, and are seen as a threat or a waste of time by the majority of countries' legal systems, and the denizens of this board? It is mostly because of two factors. A) people that use psychedelics often do not understand what is happening to them, and are very blatant with their support of them or their thoughts, which people find annoying. B) Largely a result of the 1960s counterculture movement and the use of LSD, and the Nixon administration. Most people have a very stereotypical image of a psychedelic user; one that does nothing all day but trip. This does not contribute to society, does not raise a family and is therefore degenerate.
The common perception of psychedelics before the invention and popularization of LSD was almost non-existent.
>not knowing mescaline is the ultimate red pill
>still hasn't experienced reality beyond the borders of our own limited perception
B-but muh degenerate hippies! Drugs are bad m-kay! /pol/ confirmed as the true cucks once again
>>78919645
They aren't the same things, but they go together.
If you studied something in college you should be able to explain it to a layman.
If you say that you understand something, but can't explain it will anyone believe you?
>>78919550
Describe a painting to someone born blind. Describe a symphony to someone who was born deaf. Maybe then you'll understand what you're asking someone to do with a trip.
>>78919550
THis is the same as the concept of "enlightment" in Buddhism. Not easy to explain. You might not know you "learned" anything that doesn't mean you didn't.
One thing you can surely learn on psychedelics is your ego and how far it goes as you basically temporarly lose it. That's a valuable lesson for all.
Because all drugs, including alcohol, fuck up your brain. Sometimes permanently.
source: OP
>>78915605
> banned
There are none.
> controlled & regulated
So long as it is by education.
But, I live in a country where you have to be 21 to drink a beer, but can be drafted to fight in a war and kill people "over there" for no reason other than to make rich people richer.
So. What the fuck do I know?
Murder for profit is hard when you're connected to the rest of the humanity and nature.
>>78920057
>trying this hard to be deep
Don't act like you can't describe a fucking trip bro. It's not hard
Ultimately it comes down to the fact that the governments want to have the right to claim ownership over your own consciousness. We claim to live in a free society with values that reflect liberty and justice. But if adult human beings are not allowed basic sovereignty over their own minds then how can we claim to be free in any useful way? Moreover they will put another human being into a cage for taking the initiative to experiment with his own consciousness. What it means essentially is that they are saying, ' feel free explore your mind but DON'T you dare explore THAT aspect of your mind.'
When psychedelics are used responsibly in the right set and setting, they offer modes of perspective that are our birthright as free human beings to access.
Hypocrisy thrives off ignorance.
>>78915605
they can cause insanity very easily. i used to be a mushroom head until l a mate of mine developed schizophrenia on shrooms
>>78920157
The schizophrenia your friend experienced was latent, psychedelics do not cause schizophrenia directly, but can trigger it.
>>78919912
can you really explain feelings? i mean, you can say "sad" or "angry" and people will relate with the closest association they have in they mind that goes with that term
have you ever experienced one of those moments where something just clicked (or snapped), and made you think differently? how are you even able to explain that.
sure someone can explain to you that he was looking funky colours and his arms were leaving a trail behind when he was moving them, but there's no way to explain a trip without experiencing it, as there's no way to explain anger or happiness.
we're not just textbooks full of words, ya know.
>>78919912
No which is why we find ourselves at this impasse.
You, someone who only knows normal consciousness, wants an explanation of altered consciousness in words invented for concepts expressed and digested by people who are in their normal conscious state. If you brain formulates your experience, your thoughts, etc... how do you explain an experience outside that?
It's not easy. It's like explaining color to a blind person.
>>78920132
It can definitely be.
This isn't even deep. It's just a simple analogy. You can't explain color to a blind person or sound to a def person because those experiences are outside what their conscious can construct the imagination of.
>>78919811
Mescabro speaks the truth
Uhhh.... RACIST. DUH.
Drugs are just another form of escapism. If you need it because life is though, then maybe you ought to wonder if you're really doing everything right.
>>78920646
Psychedelics aren't typically drugs people do because life is "though", friend. If anything that's a good way to have a bad trip, or at the very least a firm slap in the face.
>>78920893
>>78920646
This desu. LSD often cures Depression better than most over the counter drugs.
>>78920893
>Psychedelics aren't typically drugs people do because life is "though"
>"Hey anon, I just did some shrooms, it was AMAAAAZING, I probably won't do it again but gosh is my life improved now. I see everything in a different way!"
>proceeds to do it again several times
Literally every person I ever knew. Maybe they don't know their lifes are shit, but they sure as shit must be really bored.
ITT:
>anti-drug fags get btfo
See you guys same time tomorrow.
Wihy is everyone becoming a fucking Liberal when we are talking about drugs? You cant buil a Nation on Hippies who want eat Shrooms all the Time.
>>78920157
They can't cause insanity 'easily', it was latent within your friend. he should have exercised caution and responsibility.
They have even been shown to help greatly with depression.
You can lose your mind if you become a ravaged alcoholic
>>78921128
>literally every person I ever knew
>their lifes are shit
Why do you surround yourself with people whose lives are shit? Is your life also shit?
>>78921338
Did you look at his flag?
>>78921128
So every person you've known who's done mushrooms has told you they've had a profound, positive effect on their life, but they're all wrong or lying?
Okay.
>>78921338
Sorry, should've said "literally every person I know that have used drugs". I don't hang out with them anymore.
Also DMT is produced naturally in the brain of quite a few mammals. By logic then that means that we are all breaking the law by simply being alive.
Send us all off to jail now chaps please thanks bye
>>78921551
>So every person you've known who's done mushrooms has told you they've had a profound, positive effect on their life, but they're all wrong or lying?
No, that's not what I'm saying. They say that it has that effect, yet nothing about them changes (except promoting drugs). They don't start doing anything different at all despite it having such a effect on them. They're just the same old person but high (even though they said they just needed to do it that one time).
>>78921951
How often do they do shrooms?
>>78921721
According to a hypothesis that was inconclusive. DMT is present in the cerebrospinal fluid, but in very, very trace amounts, amounting to less than ~50 nanograms, which is not enough to exhibit psychedelic activity.
As someone who has done quite a bit of LSD multiple times, I can safely say that if most people did LSD it'd probably make them irreparably retarded.
Just look what happened to the Baby Boomers.
>>78917576
so can alcohol and caffeine
>>78922244
>mfw I was on probation once and I got grilled by my probation officer for having 5 nanograms of THC in my urine after not having smoked for two months
>>78922113
By the time I stopped hanging out with the "worst ones" it was a couple of times a month atleast. Maybe two-three a week. Though after the first time they did it a couple of months did go by and it progressively got more often.
Others just did it maybe once-twice a month or every other month.
>>78915605
Actions of a few ruin it for all
>>78918805
>if your too stupid to cultivate your own shrooms then you should keep your mouth shut,
I do actually. Though admittedly I've been scarred by last year's harvest being completely lost.
>>78922835
agree, ban it all
im a hillshill now
#NotAllUsers
They can bring out latent mental illnesses in people with family history of mental illness.
"Psychedelic drugs have the potential to cause psychotic episodes in people who have never take them" - TerryMcKenny
>>78921311
Well that's the trick you don't do drugs all the time as long as your responsible with them there really is no problem with a lot of illegal drugs.
>>78915605
Because it leads to the discover of terror management theory and makes most slightly intelligent people selfish. Society cant function if everyone sees past the illusion.
Though I agree psychdellics aren't worth banning, i feel as if they should first be recognized for their medical uses and sould only be distributed as weed currently is in the US.
So much of the negative stigma around drugs could be solved from first, weed being widely accepted and distrubted for pain/anxiety relief to replace highly addictive benzos and opiates that are currently handed out like candy. Second, those who are currently hooked on opiates or benzos could have the oppertunity to take psychedelics under supervision to help possibly end their addiction (which often leads to methadone and heroin). Id much rather be surrounded by potheads and hippies then a bunch of middle aged, homeless heroin addicts.
Psychedelic drugs best shits in this life , solo or social its always awesome
>>78918860
I guess the entirety of greece and rome were alcoholics then.
>>78923615
Then psychedelics can be distributed in a controlled state and can be ruled out as safe for the patient like every other prescription drug out there.
>>78915605
>I'm ashamed.
>>78915665
T. Eric Cartman
>>78917076
This. You cowards can't handle reality. Have fun closing your minds.
>>78917148
This.
I did D.M.T a few weeks ago. I've had very limited experience with illegal drugs prior.
It was actually really great compared to being drunk. I can elucidate if anyone gives a shit.
However, I have a friend who dropped too much acid a couple of years ago, and went pretty fucking insane. Running around naked, sitting down next to a chick and trying to force her hand onto his limp dick. Fuck.
Like other anons have said, if they're not banned they should be regulated, taxed and kept safe.
>>78926246
What do you do with the truth. Discovering most of our decisions are just us trying to distract ourselves from our eventual demise shouldnt be part of mainstream society. Why should society suffer from the existential terror psychedelics can bring upon you like a ton of bricks. If you believe in reincarnation of your consciousness transcending your bodys death you are just buying into a delision to distract yourself. How can you think a world where everyones sees the truth that its all pointless and we all give our own meaning to things to distract ourselves from death is a good thing?
Ive tried them 5 times and every time was a nightmare.
>>78927259
>4 times in a row it's a nightmarish experience
>Lets try that again
lel
>>78921180
>See you guys same time tomorrow.
It's actually kind of hilarious to me. Even Nazis heavily used drugs.
This is stupid. People trying to justify drugs as good in line with Buddhism. The Buddha told his followers to never take substances which alter the mind.
Psychadellics detach people from reality, can cause real social disorders and very often bring people to the point of psychosis where therapy will be required, or the user will have to suffer. This is why they're illegal.
>>78929598
Yeah like sleeping pills and antidepressants never fucked up anyone, ever
>>78915605
>Name ONE, just ONE reason why psychedelics should be banned.
1 your drug hallucinations are just that,you've found no "truth" by fucking your brain chemicals
2 you will never get back the brain cells you lost
3 you're so hollow and empty,"drug experiences" will not fill the emptyness
4 get a fucking life,hobby,educate yourself and fill the void with people,activities and love
5 drugs are for nonwhite shitskins and subhuman white trash
Of course psychedelics are banned. Society wants you to function and work for the economy. Don't question anything. Consume the media. Buy shit you don't need. Why would they ever allow drugs that free the minds of people?
>>78929598
The state you reach via meditation and via psychedelics are the same actually. And traditionally psychedelics were used everywhere in all cultures for the same religious reasons, I doubt Buddha's age were really different.
>>78930182
> you will never get back the brain cells you lost
Funny you say this, because they've actually found mushrooms are the only substance we know of that actually grew NEW neuron pathways. This was thought to be impossible before, as they thought your brain finishes development by early adulthood.
So psychedelics actually CREATE new brain cells, and it's literally the only way to do this as of now.
Makes you think, huh?
>>78930688
>So psychedelics actually CREATE new brain cells
>Makes you think, huh?
Literally, if what you said is true.
>>78932379
http://reset.me/study/study-psilocybin-mushrooms-stimulate-growth-of-new-brain-cells/
>>78916352
My sentiments exactly.
>>78915605
an idiot lost in several dimensions at once is still an idiot
>>78917368
That's not an insightful or useful philosophy in the fucking slightest, famalamadingdong. t. ex-Discordian
>>78915805
kek. you're getting solvents mixed up with psychedelics.
>>78916352
The majority of the people I know who do/have done psychedelics will not talk about it unless they are asked about it. I don't know about other places, but it's still not really something people are able to talk about openly around normies.
>>78933267
I thought "philosophy" has been arguing about what "reality" is for like an eternity. There is no "useful" philosophy btw, as it's not about being "useful", and if you don't get that you already failed learning about it.
>>78924764
how popular are they in Turkey?
>>78915605
Because some people don't want their country be a fucking stoner tourist attraction.
>>78930688
>>78932814
In that study psilocbyin was just found to increase the rate of hippocampal neurogenesis, which is the only part of the brain where neurogenesis continues into adulthood.
So its not really "creating new brain cells" as it is just speeding up the creation of new brain cells in a region of the brain where that continuously happens anyways.
>>78920057
There's not enough fedoras in the world to meet the tipping quotas that post requires
Do psychedelics grow in Latvia? I don't see why they wouldn't since we have very similar climate to other countries known for having loads of liberty caps.
I've looked it up and no one's talking about it. No map shows anything growing there because no one cares if they grow here.
They shouldn't.
They should be legalised, sold, taxed etc etc. They should be readily available to those who sit through the required reading or learning. People that can prove they understand the risks and methods of action, and can show they won't cause harm to themselves or others while on these substances should be free to use them in their free time (Obviously not while working).
>>78916181
If you're in the Western world, yeah, I agree - doesn't get much easier than this. Specially if you're a nigger.
its haram and edgy
>>78934521
You can grow them in jars famalam, very little effort.
Also the spores are probably legal.
>>78933732
like none,
also i don't recommended for people having major depression
the whole country of lebanon is all marijuana farms and the government just doesnt give a fuck
>>78933656
It's clear you haven't even studied philosophy on Wikipedia. Your """"opinion"""" was BTFO by Plato, and every major philosopher has thought that their ideas would help people live their lives.
>>78934948
I don't live alone and I have visitors once in a while.
I really don't want jars of drugs sitting around. I don't want to order spores either. Drugs are frowned upon here more than in the UK.
I'd rather just pick them because I own a plot of land and there are forest nearby. I could just go out and pick some shrooms, I just don't know whether or not they grow here. I think they should, but it's not autumn yet.
The only thing I know for a fact is that we have amanita muscaria growing here in forests.
>>78934948
Actually its very hard, its very sensitive organism
>>78915745
>i dont like something so i just call it degenerate
>>78935233
I'm pretty sure not all philosophical school cared about being "useful", maybe Confucian, a lot of the ideas are simply just abstract.
>>78915815
This
Any psychodelicfag who wants it legalized is just retarded. Not everyone can handle it (which is why they have such a bad name after all)
"Species without evolution are eventually destroyed."
- Shin Uchiha
Drugs are the key to human evolution. Why stagnate the evolution of the human species? What are we going to do when we face off against alien species and we didn't evolve well enough because we were thinking backwards and banning drugs.
>>78935748
So should guns be illegal too?
>>78935334
>Psilocybe cubensis
Latvia is too cold for this man
>>78935109
So you can get away with smoking it over there?
>>78935910
It's not that cold. I've lived in the UK. The climate is not that different. We actually get much hotter summers.
>>78935907
not the same argument.
After you take a drug, if you can't deal with it, you can't just spit it out or something.
With guns, if you can't handle them, you can just lock it away somewhere or sell it.
I wrote out a pretty long experience last week which was the first time I've tried potentent shrooms but my browser crashed. I was expecting colors and close eyed visuals and stuff but it felt like my universe desynced and when it resynced I felt like a new consciousness and had no way to prove to myself I was the same consciousness as before.
It wasn't a bad trip but I never really have good trips either, though I don't trip much, when I do I've always taken some kind of truth back from it or it's a good reset to get you back on track. I much prefer downers but I don't really trip to be physically comfortable.
>>78935996
yeah i mean no one cares, and lebanese kush is i think one of the best weed
>>78915605
does it really matter, just spend an hour looking around and you'll probably find some. There's a huge fucking patch just across from my house i've been utilising
>>78935386
Depends. P. Cubensis is sensitive as fuck and even temperature variation of ~3 degrees can ruin the mycelium. P. cyanescens is more sturdy and can survive variable conditions, including low humidity.
But on a whole, yes they're sensitive, not really something you can just leave growing in a jar for a couple days and forget about.
>>78936133
That's nice, Lebanon is a really nice country, i hope you guys have peace
>>78936097
But the argument against gun control is that criminals will get guns anyway. Why ban guns if I can build my own gun at home? Why ban guns when I can have a 3D printer and print the parts?
Apply the same to drugs.
What stops criminals from getting drugs? What stops me from growing drugs at home? What stops me from going out and picking up the drugs from my lawn?
Why not ban the guns too?
>>78935653
One of the primary goals of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle was to understand how to live a virtuous life.
>>78936232
sadly we cant have peace, muslims kept screwing it up, this morning there was a suicide bombing by da'esh that killed 5 christians
>>78936097
>After you take a drug, if you can't deal with it, you can't just spit it out or something.
But you can take a small dose of a benzo or barb and almost entirely negate the effects.
>>78915605
because the drugs erase the rigidity to underlying dogma about the world and one's relationships therein that underlay the govt's ability to control and manipulate. It's exactly the reason why they may one day help people with PTSD (or other issues) change behavior where rigid thinking and inability to see something in a new way hinders the individual.
>>78921721
>your brain releases dopamine naturally
>thus getting high on heroin to release dopamine should be legal!
>>78936280
Criminals can get psychodelics for all I care.
But most people frown uppon these kinds of drugs. Many weed smokers i've met to whom i said i liked LSD got weirded out in some way, which makes me believe they'll probably never take it anyways.
Media in general gives a bad image for LSD and all. The common pleb actually believe that you'll take it and jump out of your window trying to fly, or microwave a baby and shit.
Also, you can't really make LSD and shit at home. Sure, you can pick some shrooms, but i don't think it is the same as a homemade gun
>>78936508
Yeah and that's been more than 2000 years. Philosophy moved on you know. Not saying what they said is not useful.
>>78918447
It's more about talking to machine elves that hold together the universe, ego death or shit like becoming the alphabet (alpha to zeta at once and simutiouslly). That type of thing is more like a trip. What you're saying is more like a shallow epiphany some middle schooler would have with weed.
>>78936552
not everyone knows that, and not everyone bothers with bringing it with them. Also, when someone goes to shit, they don't usually realize it, which means someone else should give it to them.
I don't think i'll ever not bring some benzos with me if i'm to take LSD again, because i've seen first hand what happens when someone can't handle it
>>78936909
I've had a bad experience on it before, and boy did I wish I had some benzos with me at the time. I think a massive part of having a bad trip (For me at least) is the downwards spiral of thinking you're having a bad trip. I think that alone makes you wise up to the fact that you should take something for it, unless you've dosed so high you don't even know who or what you are any more.
In that case, RIP, I can only be thankful my bad times have been on moderate doses.
>>78915605
doesn't prevent people from growing their own natural drugs their entire lives if they consume them only at home but I guess it would be nice if one could make a living out of selling them legally as an alternative to wageslavery
>>78918191
>All our cows are in the mountains, that sounds like a nightmare of electrified fences and suspicious as fuck locals.
Fucking retard...
Just go to a farm and ask to buy some cow dung to use as fertilizer for your garden, take a big sack of shit back to your back yard and spread that shit all over the place.
Seems kind of obvious to me, don't know what your problem is.
>>78915605
no way todd
now go take out the garbage
>>78936778
2500 years later, we have the Marxists, who hope to change rather than intepret the world, the existentialists, whose philosophy is directly concerned with human life, and the analytics, whose goal is to be useful to scientific inquiry. Nobody who isn't a druggie or a schizo has ever been interested in masturbatory navel-gazing.
Drugs and alcohol are stupid. Caffeine is the only worthwhile drug.
>>78938166
Caffeine is a shit drug that only suppresses certain chemicals that tell you that you need to sleep.
It's a bad drug that only disrupts your natural sleep cycle.
>>78915605
They look like dickheads.
>>78938166
>All sort of studies published in peer-reviewed journals showing that use of psychedelics induces positive personality change and improves impulse-control, memory and cognition
>drugs are stupid
pick one
>>78938525
Hm, maybe you should drink a cup of coffee when you wake up in the morning then, because that's when you need to be awake and not asleep. Oh wait that's what everybody already does.
>>78938709
>drugs improve your memory
I guess that's why every ex-druggie goes around with their head in the clouds, and loses their train of thought constantly
>>78939252
Studies have shown use of ayahuasca improves memory
>>78915605
Shrooms are great. Take a few while you're outside in a pleasant natural setting and you will feel great about life and feel more clear about your place in the world.
Just don't take a whole lot and suffer who death.
>>78939252
>I guess that's why every ex-druggie goes around with their head in the clouds, and loses their train of thought constantly
>anon references psychedelics
>your response is a generalization that literally only applies to ex-opiate or benzo addicts
>or even ex alcoholics
Funny how those supposed ex-druggies could probably make a more valid point than you.
>>78915862
Yeah but unless you know a lot about mushrooms you shouldn't do this. A lot of mushrooms look similar and most of them will kill you.
>>78937178
Meh, it's alright. I grow it in rye.
>>78938709
>doing drugs
>taking hallucinations seriously
>treating drug-impaired cognitive state as some sort of spiritual experience
>insisting that you learned a lot, but fail to name a single worthwhile thing
>positive change
>improvement
Weak b8 m88
>>78939252
>I guess that's why every ex-druggie goes around with their head in the clouds, and loses their train of thought constantly
>ALL DRUGS ARE THE SAME HURR
>>78938166
>Caffeine is the only worthwhile drug.
Caffeine is probably gonna get some mean competition from Nicotine soon if >vaping keeps growing like it does. I know a couple people already that started with vaping proper because pretty much the ONLY bad thing about Nicotine is the way it's consumed, and a Vape takes less space than a thermo.
>>78940636
I tried vaping for a few months. It's shit. Zero point in vaping other than to look like a faggot in public.
At least with caffeine it does something and gives you something if you're sleepy. Nicotine is nothing. If you vape too much you just get a little lightheaded for a few seconds.
>>78940942
It varies heavily between people. I know some people who get a real buzz and increase to concentration off of nicotine, but feel less functional on caffeine.
Personally I can't say I'm a big fan of either. Went through a lot of caffeine in early uni days, and I don't really know if I felt much.
>>78936668
No, I refuse to believe you're this retarded to the point you can't tell the difference between something that is endogenous and can be created in the body, and a foreign substance that releases a completely unrelated chemical
>>78940504
I may have used mushrooms a handful of times from just having fun to serious thought about my life and the way I hinder my future success with my actions. I have remember a lot from the trips but the hard part is taking those thoughts and translating them to real world experiences. They have pros and cons just like everything else.
>>78919033
>God must leave empirical evidence to be real
L O L
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>>78940504
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3537171/
> Consistent with participant claims of hallucinogen-occasioned increases in aesthetic appreciation, imagination, and creativity, we found significant increases in Openness following a high-dose psilocybin session. In participants who had mystical experiences during their psilocybin session, Openness remained significantly higher than baseline more than one year after the session. The findings suggest a specific role for psilocybin and mystical-type experiences in adult personality change.
>Openness includes a relatively broad range of intercorrelated traits covering aesthetic appreciation and sensitivity, fantasy and imagination, awareness of feelings in self and others, and intellectual engagement. People with high levels of Openness are “permeable to new ideas and experiences” and “motivated to enlarge their experience into novel territory” (DeYoung et al., 2005). Openness is strongly associated with creativity (Silvia et al., 2009), and some of its facets (Ideas, Values) are correlated with general fluid intelligence and cognitive ability (DeYoung et al., 2005; DeYoung et al., 2009). Although the present study did not directly investigate the corollary benefits of increased Openness, significant increases in nearly all of the facet scores indicate the potential for improvements in aesthetic and cognitive domains.
:^)
>>78940504
They were studied recently by some important UK medical body and have displayed profound positive effects on people with mental illness by semi-permanently increasing mental activity.
However you're always entitled to your uninformed opinion.
