Conservaspergs, explain yourself.
And no, this is not an argument about which one is 'free' or PROVIDED by government.
>>78887536
>And no, this is not an argument about which one is 'free' or PROVIDED by government.
But that's exactly what it's about.
>>78887536
The difference is I pay for my own Healthcare and guns.
>>78887601
No, it isn't. That is a strawman you heretic.
>>78887639
Not a straw man. Conservatives don't want to force taxpayers to buy a gun for every American citizen, just like they don't want to force taxpayers to buy health insurance for every American citizen. Their logic is consistent.
>>78887750
>tfw its 2016 and retarded conservaspergs still think thats what obamacare is
>>78887536
>liberals cant into logic
Paying healthcare companies with your fucking tax dollars doesnt make health care cheaper, and you are still paying for it. Making the companies compete like Trump intends to will lower prices due to the fundamental nature of competitive markets however.
>>78887834
Because I'm not paying more taxes to ensure that every American citizen is armed.
>>78887834
>tfw Aussies don't have to pay for Obamacare
>>78887927
>tfw its 2016, the year of our lord Jesus Christ, and retarded conservaspergs still think thats what obamacare is
>>78887834
Well there are the tax credits/subsidies, not everyone with health insurance under ACA is paying for it totally out of their pocket. John Q Taxpayer is helping them out. So yeah, it's a valid point.
>>78887834
>>78888010
>gets BTFO
>resorts to making retarded memetext retorts
>>78887536
Because it's been proven that you are far more likely to die due to medical error than being shot.
>>78887866
But they were competing for years prior to Obamacare, and what happened? health prices were high as fuck and did not come down at all.
>>78887834
>>78888010
Enlighten us then you fucking strayan cunt
>>78888041
Ah, but that is NOT what my OP image macro said, is it?
>Paying money and heightened taxes for something I may not want and having to pay extra to cover the people who get away with not paying it because the government loves their minorities
>People buying items that they want when they want, buying items that deter and prevent crimes from happening leading to a happier society due to decrease in crime, buying items that can be a fun sport and stress reliever
I don't think paying for medicare parts that you would never want can relieve stress or be fun.
Also only one is guaranteed and protected.
Yeah to be honest this makes almost zero sense. Conservatives are total hippocrates.
>>78888111
>>78888111
You made me notice it's happening.
>>78888888
Everyone allowed to buy guns, everyone allowed to buy private healthcare. No WTF here.
>>78887536
The conservatism you're referring to is dead. You're discussing some shit globalist version of conservatism. The new alternative right, Trump's Right, Europe's Right, Putin's Right, are relatively fine with socialized healthcare, so long as we don't invite every Dick & Harry mongrel immigrant that comes asking for it into the country.
Americans payway more per capita then all other countries on earth, and get a substandard result in exchange
>But muh waiting lists
Outside for some fringe cases, that is a statistical anomaly. I could say you how many americans died from lack of healthcare and compare the numbers
>>78887536
Your more likely to die due to medical errors than firearms
>>78888170
>>Paying money and heightened taxes for something I may not want and having to pay extra to cover the people who get away with not paying it because the government loves their minorities
The thing with healthcare is that no one wants to pay for it up until they actually need it.
>>78888253
Canadians are not allowed to own many guns though, no good ones anyway. Just shitty huntin rifles.
>>78888303
Septs inbound...
>Dem 8's doe
>>78888106
You can't buy health insurance across state lines, Aussie shitposter.
wait for septs
>>78888468
>muh repeated numbers
>>78888495
You couldn't before, idiot, all companies had state-specific plans. Now they have a state-specific marketplace to compete in.
>>78888523
>>78888449
Dem SVT40's doe...
>>78888111
checked
>>78888572
>muh numbers
>>78888558
>>78887639
>You have a right to purchase X
>You have a right to purchase Y
???????
>The government doesn't have any obligation to give X
>The government traditionally has no obligation to provide Y
What is bamboozling you?
can we just except the fact that Australia is a shithole island upside down that collects all of the worlds shit and calls itself a """"""""country"""""""
8888888 get
>>78888585
check this
>>78888553
Retard, there was no competition because you couldn't buy insurance anywhere other than your home state. Now we have the same thing, but it's been fucked in the ass by govt bureaucracy about 10000 times
>>78888889
Consolation prize?
>>78888889
off by one
>>78888888
>>78888889
So fucking close
>>78888917
So, you lied?
>>78888889
hahaha
The fuck is that (a) we are forced to defend ourselves against niggers and muslims because the gubmint won't, which makes guns necessary and (b) stupid people are expendable and don't deserve healthcare--all they do is get obese and leech off the middle class; their dying sooner makes us richer as a society. Pretty simple really.
>>78887536
Dumbest picture I've ever seen here, congratulations. Worse than any tumblr comic.
>>78889160
There was no competitive market place before.
There is no competitive market place now.
What is unclear?
>>78889264
>stupid people are expendable and don't deserve healthcare
Ahh, the god old meme that poor people are stupid and/or lazy.
>>78889286
So there is government sanctioned state boundary monopoly? In what way there is not competition?
>What are negative vs positive rights?
>Check flag
Dammit
>>78888449
We can own most fire arms, but yes overall our laws are cucked compared ot the US.
I own cowboy guns, shotguns, various rifles, an SKS, and a some hand guns. The hand guns are pracially point tless though because they can only be used on a range and have to be locked in a Box with a trigger guard inside of a safe.
Lol
>>78888142
Huh... Really makes you think...
Abbo's BTFO!!
>I have guns and insurance.
>>78889393
He didn't say anything about poor people you stupid fuck. He said stupid people. Stupidity has no financial floor or ceiling.
>go back to deddit
>>78887536
>>78887639
>>78887834
>>78888010
>>78888106
>>78888142
>>78888229
>>78888449
>>78888553
>>78889160
>>78889557
And are you circumcised?
>>78889678
And who doesn't get healthcare?
Stupid rich people don't have healthcare? So access of healthcare in USA is done by some sort of IQ test?
>>78888010
>australian tells americans that they don't know what obamacare is
>>78887536
Low tier shitposting. You can do better than this, Australia. Something with less butthurt and more bants.
Free +1 (You)
>>78887536
>I don't get taxed for not owning a gun
>I get taxed a stiff penalty for choosing not to have health care
>>78889713
of course I am you fucking Neanderthal.
You argument is stupid because the government isn't buying guns and giving them to people, but the government is trying to socialize healthcare which destroys an industry and lowers the quality of healthcare overall.
You're comparing apples to oranges.
Aussie fag
>>78887536
The constitution declares the right for every one to have fire arms but makes no mention of health care. Therefore guns ownership is a protected right. Access to health is not a right. If you want to make it a right then amend the constitution. But until you do stop bitching.
>>78889686
mods pls delete
>>78889767
And? most Americans are quite stupid. Why wouldn't I know? as though you can only research a topic if you live in the country to which it applies
kek
>>78890048
>nd lowers the quality of healthcare overall.
Wich means that americans have a healthcare that is far better then all the other countries. Right?
But in real life you guys don't have it
If you have "free healthcare" and no guns, you have send half of your paycheck to Shaquanda and her seven nigglets, who then grow up and beat you to death because you don't have anything to defend yourself with.
>>78887536
Nobody is trying to give everyone free guns because its not affordable for society, they just want to make sure everyone has access to legal guns just like they should have access to health care, that doesn't mean the AR-15 or a MRI have to be affordable enough for everyone to get one every day.
>>78888010
does anybody? I don't even think the libshits know what the fuck it is
>>78890282
> you have send half of your paycheck to Shaquanda
You already do
>who then grow up and beat you to death
They already do. Just check the interracial amount of crimes in USA. Americans are nigger punching bags, kek
>>78889767
>>78890333
oops, meant to respond to you
>>78890374
Yeah. Look what happens currently when some nigger attacks somebody.
>>78887536
>You pay for your own gun
>you pay for your own healthcare
Am I missing something here? How is it so hard to understand?
>>78887866
It does when the government facilitates health care instead of profit seeking corporations
>>78888010
>>78887834
You are the first person to mention obamacare.
American's have had access to health care since the Hippocratic oath was in effect, that is fine, its only free government provided health care that people say will wreck the economy because it is unsustainable.
>>78887536
"Americans"
>>78889463
There is a government enforced monopoly for each state, like you said, do you not understand what monopoly means or competition?
>>78890558
Edgy ancap detected
>>78887536
Everyone can buy health care.
It would be the same if the government would provide guns to everyone. And on top of that give everyone more ammunition than they need.
>>78887536
because the state has a vested interest in a health populace.
>>78887834
>implying obamacare was a health care bill
>>78890821
The young are healthy anyway.
The old people are just voters and not tax payers.
>>78887536
The welfare state is destroying our nation.
We have multiple generations of families now that have never worked a day in their lives.
With welfare comes increased single parent household which leads to higher crime rates and less civilian participation.
I'm all about socialism if everyone is held responsible for THEIR FAIR SHARE but to Americans, that isn't what Socialism is.
To Americans, socialism is literally the idea that the rich (who get rich by theirs or their predecessor's hard work) owe the poor reparations for the fact that the rich are rich.
If you're poor, why the fuck would you argue??
If you're rich, well.... We won't let you respond.
I believe that requiring people to work and pay for things is the only way to ensure they contribute to society.
>>78890251
Yes, the upper echelon of healthcare is in the US, its why all your politicians, celebrities, and industry leaders travel to the US for everything but their sketchy plastic surgery and artificial insemination that only Indians and black market Russian doctors do.
>>78891295
Most of that is the unhealthy American fear of death
You have many many nursing homes not just for the elderly by for all manner of brain-dead people who you wont let die. Your health care system is ridiculously expensive but families will just not let go and will pay ~$1m a year to keep their loved one alive. Hence your medical profession over-services to make shekels.
>>78887536
Well, if you need healthcare you are presumably sick. If you are sick you are using your money to pay for help from a doctor. If the causal factor of paying money to a healthcare system was you being sick, then the effect of having healthcare wouldn't have occurred (therefore destroying us financially) if you weren't sick in the first place. On the topic of weaponry, denying anyone any form of self-defense barring weapons of mass destruction is a violation of human rights.
Cya.
>>78891657
So now that you realize America has the best, health care is just something lame for loser old people who are afraid of death?
>>78887536
one is a God given right
the other is a service that another person must provide for you, and therefore cannot be a right
More americans die every year from preventable medical mishaps (incorrect dosage, poorly performed surgery, etc) then from guns.
>>78891972
No, you missed the point (must be that great American education system), I said all Western countries have comparable primary care. You go above and beyond that to keep people alive who should have died, it is very profitable (and cruel).
>>78892273
So your health care is great as long as you are already young and healthy and don't mind dying anyway which is why anybody with money goes to America for their critical health care?
>>78887536
You don't get it because you're a filthy stupid foreigner but half of Americans take power into their own hands instead of begging for scraps like simpering beta males.
That's why GOP believes in people buying their OWN guns and buying their OWN healthcare. The power belong with the people and not the government.
>>78887536
Yeah fuck the poor we can always import more
Why is /pol/ the easiest board to troll?
>>78887536
Here is a easy peezy lemon squeezy 2 step Economist approved process to determine if government should be involved in a market! You too can be the envy of your friends.
Guns:
>Is The good excludable? (able to prevent people from using them, protecting store inventory ex)
>Is the good rivalrous (does using one gun prevent someone else using, yes hundreds cant hold the same gun)
>Is there a significant utility externality not included in the price when the product is consumed? (arguable lower crime rates in gun owning areas, has to be studied though)
Keep it private
Health Care
>Excludable: You can prevent someone from receiving specialized health care
>Rivalrous: Using a given doctors hour of time or associated treatment material does not apply to everybody
>Externality: There is a economic benefit to keeping people alive to consumer more, so it should be supported by a government subsidy but not provided by the State
>>78892042
Someone has to make the gun and ammo so by your logic it cannot be a right.
>>78887536
Deaths from medical errors 115,439
Deaths from guns 5,276
>>78893524
You could always just machine cut your own.
>>78887536
But "everyone having health care" isn't everyone having health care.
It's "forcing everyone to pay more for health insurance and lower quality care"
I literally don't understand what this meme is saying.
>Not everyone will have a gun. It's about the freedom to own a gun guaranteed by the constitution. If you want to make America safer, ban niggers.
>No one wants to prevent access to health care, which this image seems to be implying that people do want to ban it. You're free to buy health care, but it's not the government's job to provide it.
>>78894694
>No one wants to prevent access to health care,
The doctors with experience who want more money for their time are actively preventing access to health care for people without much money.
>>78887536
The difference is I don't have to pay for your gun.
>>78890070
>that image
>americans are this retarded
>>78887536
Supply and demand limeyfag.
>>78887866
>lefties cant into logic
fixed and improved
>>78887536
A gun is simply a product that can be purchased for usually a few hundred dollars. No one advocates forcing them on anyone or making anyone pay for anyone else's guns.
A universal health care system for 300 million people will cost billions simply to set up. Add to that the health issues caused by choices people make that the few people of healthy weight who exercise regularly and don't smoke like me, don't want to pay for.
>>78890048
Yeah. the biggest failure was that Obama was too much of a dictator to follow the model that Canada(my country) has, which is basically the federal government does provide some funding via transfers, and then let each province deal with how it dispenses it's healthcare and meets the minimum requirement that is provides essential medical care.
If we wanted to buy additional coverage(like blue cross), we are quite welcome to, and if anbybody wants to opt out and buy their own preferred healthcare insurance or have none at all, then that's fine, and they will simply bill you for it.
So yeah, even us Canadians thought Obamacare was quite tyrannical in that regard.
>>78887536
Nobody is forcing taxpayers to buy everyone guns.
>>78887536
Well regulated machinery. Like my tinman oilchange of a body and unlike my militias
>>78898288
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Us+weapons+manufacturers%27+subsidies
>>78887536
Because I don't want going to the doctor to be like going to the goddamn DMV. Health care is a SERVICE industry, and the government doesn't care jack shit about service.
Take a look at how well the government handles the health care needs of their soldiers with the VA system. Look at the many articles and news reports about fraud, mismanagement, delayed treatments, and malpractice.
They've had decades and billions of dollars to develop an effective system to care for our soldiers, and they've failed.
How is it you think that the gov't would do any better with a larger, more complex system?
>>78887536
That's exactly the argument. If magical free healthcare could work, it'd be agreed upon by any sane person.
The fact is, universal healthcare will not work in the US.
>>78887536
Entire thread is bait and you are mentally or socially retarded and craving for attention, or who knows what else. Please stop posting useless, easily debunked crap.
>>78898500
>>78898551
If you wanted to you could. Euthanasia was where i kinda started trippin out a little bit but i got over it. It's not a bad idea at all. Any time we have more of a mixed economy we do better. We already do this on simple things like oil refining. I don't understand going to voters to run as a politician saying fuck my place of employment. That's weird. If you get fucked up it's nice to know people are there for you. And not CO-FUCKING-PAY AND HMO AND $32 TYLENOL AND 12 MORTGAGES
>>78898173
Yes, billions upon billions. Look at the GAO report on legacy computer systems. Despite bags of gov't money, these morons can't keep their systems updated and/or talking to each other.
Here's the link to the GAO report:
http://www.gao.gov/assets/680/677436.pdf
Page 3, regarding the DOD, informs us that our the Strategic Automated Command and Control System, the thing that controls the ICBMs and nuclear bombers, is running on an IBM system from the 70s with 8 inch floppy disks.
>>78887536
There is no logical inconsistency here provided that we assume that the reasoning behind each of the individual stances are reasonable.
Healthcare could, according to conservatives, lead to economic issues, whereas guns are a means of self defense, so that the capable are allowed to effectively preserve and keep their property.
OF course, it is understandable why this image exists. You have to first be a logical person to have the ability to effectively point out logical inconsistency. Because you and everyone on the left are complete idiots, this thread supersizes no one.
The reason this concept looks like a logical inconsistency to you is because you are too stupid to understand the logic of the individual arguments.
>>78887536
Are you retarded? Where is my right to free bullets?
>>78889686
this is false
>Claims GOP doesn't want people to have health care
>Bars fiscal context from discussion
>>78887536
>implying this isn't the largest straw man of all time
You can have gun control AND gun rights... just as you can have health care that isn't SOCIALISM... something liberals just can't seem to figure out.
>>78887536
>low quality aussie
no immigration control + universal healthcare = ruin. Now go stick ur dick in a box jellyfish tank.
>>78887536
Will that make illegal immigrants just go to america since every single thing is free now?
>>78887536
You don't get it, if they all have a gun and they get too sick to afford health care. Then they can shoot themselves
>>78903568
keep counting your dollars and cents while jamal replaces you
>>78887536
>the government pays for for everyone's guns
>the cost of my guns is bankrupting america
>>78887536
>abstinence doesnt work because kids will always fuk
>gun bans will work because criminals will just not buy guns
liberal logic
>>78887536
The answer to both is "niggers"
>>78887536
Sheeit, like the GOP isn't mostly funded by big pharma, too.
/thread sage all slide threads
Stop Sacramento Antifa online fundraiser:
>>78898573
>>78887536
That's it, I'm now an Intercontinental Balistic Missile
>>78887834
>using "current year" as an argument
>>78887536
>>78887536
One is property you don't pay for other people to have and provides personal protection. The other is a service other people are forced to pay for.that makes you dependent on the state.
>>78894107
Unintentional accident?
>implications
>>78887536
I have never heard a conservative say that having healthcare will hurt anyone. Take your shitty meme somewhere else.
I don't know but I'm paying more now for health insurance premiums and I have a $7k annual deductible.
I'm going to hire a jew in the fall to find me a decent rate. I know healthcare costs are out of control in the US, but I would have to be pretty goddamn degenerate to incur $7k in medical bills before my insurance takes over.
>>78887536
>DNC Logic
>only cops should have guns
>all cops are racist murderers
>>78887834
>Need I remind everyone the current year
>>78887998
we've had something similar since the 70s. it's been pretty good.
>>78887536
I bought my guns.
I can buy my health care.
What the fuck are you on about?
Fuck these roads man
I'm now #thinkingwithmyJohnson
>>78894107
i hate it when i have intentional accidents
>>78887536
A gun is much cheaper than healthcare. You only have to pay once for the gun not monthly or yearly.
>"m8"
>Straya just mad he can't own guns anymore
>inb4 most non gun owning countries pathetic cucks being government's bitch
>>78915949
I went from having employer fully covering premiums to $175/mo.
Pretty shitty desu.
>>78887536
People are buying their own guns
