Any good reasons for me to support Hitler rather than some other dictator like let's say Stalin?
As I see it their ideologies was quite similar in a lot of ways, Stalin just happened to be much more paranoid.
Apart from that they both strived to make their peoples economically independent, restore the borders of the former empire and fight the enemies of the people ((Jews and Kulaks))
Even both their Notorious genocides, Holocaust and Holodomar, seems to have been largely overblown by their respective enemies.
>>78862709
There is literally no reason to support Hitler
At least Stalin was SUCCESSFUL as a dictator
Plus Stalin started out as a revolutionary and bank robber, escaping the Tsar's prison camps, living on the run... how cool is that?
>>78862709
aren't they both dead
>>78862709
Hitler wasn't blond-haired and blue-eyed, and had to rehearse his speeches. But he became the most infamous man in history, so you have to respect the amount of work he put in.
>>78862709
>Stalin's genocide
>Overblown
That's not even a meme, that's a flat out lie. And that's not even the only time he's killed a large population of people
The Nazis were even pardoned for a mass execution in the 90s (I think) when it was discovered to be the Soviet Union's doing
>>78862709
>As I see it their ideologies was quite similar in a lot of ways
Nothing alike.
Hitler had principle - he genuinely cared about the preservation of his people. It was purely about race and culture for him.
Whereas Stalin wasn't even a genuine communist. He was a pure opportunist. Unfathomably worse than Hitler.
>>78864599
>Had to rehearse his speeches
Literally everyone who gives a speech does this
>>78864599
>>78864611
>>78864621
Nazis are just a bunch of sore losers
Stalin was always based
Hitler started shit and got hit, simple as that
>>78864829
Not even replying to you leaf
>>78862709
Hitler loved his people and made it into an economic and military powerhouse.
Stalin oppressed and exterminated his own people and drove the Soviet Union into the ground, with the only strong point being its huge but poorly trained military.
>>78864892
Too late now, fascist pig
>>78864251
He was so successful he held Eastern Europe hostage as a shit hole till the wall fell, and had all of these policies (which were garbage) reversed and hated by his successor
Truly an amazing leader
>>78864829
>my only argument is me obsessing over Nazis
(A Leaf)
>>78864892
Fuck could have sworn I didn't
>>78864955
>poorly trained military.
No. The soviet army was the best army in the world in the 40s and 50s.
>>78864829
>cucknadian
>never seen communism in action
I'm sure you have your reasons, pal.
>>78864611
The Holodomor happened but nowhere near the scale commonly cited.
>>78865059
lol
>>78864955
>Hitler loved his people and made it into an economic and military powerhouse
Except in the end Hitler's dumbass leadership got Germany divided and occupied for HALF A CENTURY
>drove the Soviet Union into the ground
hahahaha, you know when Stalin took charge of the Soviet Union their farms had wooden ploughs and their army was decades behind the West? by the time Stalin died the farming was all mechanized, and also the Soviets had NUCLEAR WEAPONS
>>78864955
Stalin turned his country from a peasant society to an industrial and nuclear superpower.
>>78865220
This. People dont give credit where its due. The dude transformed a potatoefarm country into a nuclear superpower
>>78865059
Top kek vladamer
canada ip ban
>>78865083
>muh 60 gorillion
uh huh, sure buddy
>>78865304
So, he did something that capitalism could have done infinitely better, without the 20 million casualties and starving population. Wow.
>>78864611
Holodomar isn't even globally recognized as a genocide, it was a famine and famines usually struck in poorly industrialized places such as the early USSR.
Apart from that Stalin never managed to kill enough people to stop the Soviet Union from continually rising in size during his regime and most of the Gulag deaths can be defended with the same arguments Nat Socs use for the Holocaust Aka it wasn't intentional but happened because the war fucked up their supply lines.
And I don't really see how that one pardoned thing matter in the general debate, sorry.
>>78864621
While Stalin was an Opportunist, I don't quite see how Hitler wasn't one.
He gave the Soviets large parts of Eastern Europe when he had something to earn on that and killed one of his closest friends (I thnink they were pretty close at least)) Ernsth Röhm because he needed the support of the generals outside of SA.
>>78864251
>At least Stalin was SUCCESSFUL as a dictator
its not even Stalin being a better leader or anything, its just Hitler being more retarded.
Russia was on the Allies shit list just as much as Germany was when the war broke out, but they were seen as Hitlers little goon side kick. So France and the UK just tried to ship supplies to Finland to fight them off. Then Hitlers own retardedness made his potentially most powerful ally into his worst enemy, all because of his retarded youtube conspiracy theories. And it doesnt even make sense when you consider Stalin believed in the same fucking thing and also didnt like jews and purged them out of his government
>>78862709
how can you support Hitler when he's not living?
>>78865476
Like? I dont remember where Denmark industrilized in a matter of 20 years only by beating the history's most powerful army and developing nukes
> casualties and starving population.
Russia never starved under, just ukraine, out of spite
>>78864829
What the hell is wrong with Canadians?
>>78865665
You commie fuckers sure are delusional.
>>78862709
Hitler would have been decent if he never actually went to war and only used his military for diplomatic advantages
>>78865830
sorry for interrupting your echo chamber, i thought we can have different opinions on this board
>>78865665
>I dont remember where Denmark industrilized in a matter of 20 years only by beating the history's most powerful army and developing nukes
>>78865220
>>78865549
No need to apologize cuckold, the Ukrainians were intentionally starved. Just because he didn't kill enough doesn't mean he didn't kill millions, don't see your point. Their supply lines weren't fucked up, their communist government was.
>>78865613
Because the killings Nazis committed during the war was intentional due to said war
The soviets killed people because they were incompetent and literally sacrificed a shit load of Slavs over garbage doomed-to-fail policies
If you cause genocide because your government policies are ass, then youre just an incompetent selfish prick
>>78865030
sure
>>78864829
stfu loser.
>>78862709
Hitler improved the economy Stalin destroyed it.
>>78864758
literally no one ever did that except hitler.
>>78862709
>communism
>economic independence
>>78866794
Canada, I'm agreeing with a lot of what you're saying but don't start saying naive stuff like politicians don't rehearse speech, it will really damage your credibility
>>78866333
>, the Ukrainians were intentionally starved
Most of the world disagrees, desu.
And I am not denying millions, I am denying tens and tens of millions of people. or that the Soviets were any worse than the Nazis.
>>78865613
>Then Hitlers own retardedness made his potentially most powerful ally into his worst enemy, all because of his retarded youtube conspiracy theories.
Lol.. Stalin was preparing to invade germoney when Hitler started barbarossa
I see nothing to like about Stalin.
Hitler... there is much I disapprove of, but there is much I really like about him, and frankly, really agree with about National Socialism. My views wouldn't be pure or rigid enough for theirs, but I'm something of a synthesis (as they were) of left and right, except I'm a synthesis superceding the post-war reaction to WWII. Or more specifically... there is a new fascist nationalism emerging in response to post-war progressivism and globalization... I'm the synthesis of that and the good bits from progressivism (free health care, environmentalism, not HATING other races but realizing races are incompatible at a working class level)
I'm also more aesthetically nuanced than the National Socialists... I do believe in the Germanic, but disagree that modern art was purely Jewish... a lot of it developed straight from German Romanticism. And I don't mind a little back and forth artistically... I'm a big fan of Jewish artists like Frank Stella etc. And besides Reifenstaahl, I'm not the biggest fan of Nazi art (but I love the state, propaganda, and uniform design - that was where aesthetics were inspired). Funnily though, I see a hybrid of certain fascist ideas with art ideas as the way forward - that things must radiate forward from an eternal truth, not from criticism or denial of truth.
In other words, simply, I'm a Romantic.
>>78866731
Stalin's rapid industrialization was hard on Russia in the short term, but the long term gains were YUUUUGE
Hitler helped Germany in the short term, but well it didn't work out so great...
>>78866925
>It's not Stalin's fault millions starved to death
>It's the leader's fault that communism is shit
>It's not the governments fault they are incompetent
>>78867210
Very poetic, I'd drink and bullshit with you at a bar
>>78862709
None. Capitalism is for degenerate cucks anyway.
>>78867199
>Lol.. Stalin was preparing to invade germoney when Hitler started barbarossa
Not really.
Hell, Stalin had large parts of his army on a leave and was shit afraid to anger Hitler by taking more means to prepare for the coming invasion.
>>78867210
Ever tried reading up any on Stalinist era art?
Just being curious.
>>78867454
It's a big difference between doing something intentionally and incompetence.
Not that people from the united states of "Let's shell our own Allies" America knows about that
>>78867392
>Jews sought to destroy Germany, therefore Hitler hurt Germany in the long run
>>78867848
Nigga if youre government is so incompetent that it had to employ shitty policies which ended up killing others, you cant stack that up against Nazis, who by the way didnt even initialize genocide in the beginning
>>78868100
>Kulaks sought to rather destroy their own assets than let it gain the people, therefore Stalin caused the Holodomar
>>78868209
The death toll of Gulag seems as far as know have slowly started to decline as the Union industrialized only to peak when the war started and everything collapsed.
This maybe sounds desperate or something, but I don't really think you can compare Soviet and German internment until a certain level of industrialization was reached by the Soviets.
About Holodomar, while it was largely a result of stupid political decisions from the Soviets It isn't that different from the famines that occurred in parts of the early industrialized west and then especially the Irish potato Famine which per capita must have been worse than Holodomar ever was.
Not saying the Famine wasn't terrible, just saying it wasn't unique for the Soviets.
>>78868218
>Communism is shit and people starved*
>>78864251
Stalin never fought in war for his nation, never worked a real job, and was never elected.
Meanwhile Hitler was a decorated Soldier, worked hard labor jobs and was as unprivileged as can be and rose from nothing, and his party was Elected.
There is literally no better story than Hitler- someone we can all look up to like no other.
>>78869586
Stalin spent far time in serious danger as a revolutionary than Hitler ever did as a soldier
Stalin's story also has a happy ending for his nation - unlike Hitler's story
>>78865059
>>78862709
Hitler was a genius and noticed/said a lot of things that still apply to this day.
He might have gone too far with his conspiracy of the jews, but what happened in Wiemar Germany has slowly been happening here in the west.
pic related applies directly with cultural marxism
>>78867199
>Stalin was preparing to invade germoney when Hitler started barbarossa
this is neo-nazi meme history. Stalin was terrified of Hitler at first, and was so stunned at the news of Germany invading them, that he literally just went into denial mode when his admirals called him up to tell Germans were bombing their ships
>>78869829
No he didn't, putting your life on the line as a soldier of your nation and later as an actual national socialist revolutionary was much more self sacrificing.
>>78869999
lmfao that picture, nice
>>78869586
Stalin did fight in the communist revolution in Russia though, but as a punk criminal and as a commissar. He was drafted to fight for Russia in WW1, but then kicked out because of his fucked up arm and leg so he was never in the actual military.
And he grew up a poor peasant with an alcholic and abusive father, just like hitler. And Hitler was never elected
>>78862709
NatSoc and Communism are not similar. Even if you are completely ignorant of these two things, which it looks like your are, look at them at face value. Hitler loved his people wanted them to thrive and built their economy up again. Stalin was quite responsible for the deaths and subjugation of millions of his own people, and had a shit economy. Go research it yourself.
>>78870385
Hitler was much more chosen and elected by the people than Stalin ever was. He got his party so popular that it garnered over 2x the amount of support of the 2nd largest party.
It's literally impossible to to support Stalin, even for communists- they can support Lenin as he actually put the sweat into growing the movement just as Hitler did his own- Stalin merely inherited it and stole it and practically all Soviet people never even Heard of Stalin when he became relevant.
There's nothing scarier than the idea that some ghost in the background is suddenly the all powerful dictator, what a terrible thing communism is.
>>78870987
>Stalin merely inherited it and stole it
Hahahaha what? Stalin personally led bank robberies that funded the Russian Revolution, he was a badass and you are just salty that Hitler got owned
>>78870831
The sadder thing is they weren't even * his own people * since Stalin is not actually slavic, Georgians are not a slavic people.
It's absolutely disgusting to think this foreigner was able to get into power over an overwhelmingly slavic entity.
Capitalism and communism, putting foreigners in power since forever.
>>78870831
Two sides of the same coin bro. The only reason you think there's a difference is because you don't recognize Jews and Communists as German people. Well Stalin didn't recognize Capitalists and collaborators as Soviet people.
One was nation organized on racial lines.
The other was a nation organized on "class" lines. They both had the same purported goal though, the destruction of the international global elite, and they were both encouraged and eventually subverted by that exact same international elite.
The (((elite))) were just more brazen with the Soviets but in the end they were both industrial totalitarian systems in political form.
>>78870831
>Stalin was quite responsible for the deaths and subjugation of millions of his own people
So was Hitler.
>>78865083
>muh 100 billion
>>78871406
Plus I think the German invasion awoke a very strong nationalistic spirit in Russian people. I dont believe the grunts were fighting for the ideals of communism or anything like that, but for the survival of their people and their motherland.
>>78865304
>>78865220
Fucking lol at the stupidity on this board in general. The only reason they got nukes was because of german scientists, same with the USA
>>78865983
The USA took a lot longer to industrialize.
>>78871162
Yeah he did inherit it and steal it, are you angry I said that?
He did nothing, he was not even Russian or slavic.
Russians believed in Lenin, they didn't even know who Stalin was.
Also someone who commits bank robberies is not someone anyone idolizes, nor would let be their leader.
Get some proper role models who uphold what it means to be a man, promote hard honest work, strength, integrity and self sacrifice and racial pride.
Stalin is a foreigner of the slavic people- why would any nationalist like this jew equivalent.
>>78865613
>Then Hitlers own retardedness made his potentially most powerful ally into his worst enemy, all because of his retarded youtube conspiracy theories.
Lost. Just... just lost.
>>78872059
Lenin was happy to use the money Stalin got robbing those banks
Fascists sucks my cock
>>78867454
>muh 100 trillion
Robert Conquest pls
>>78868100
>da joos
>>78869354
Not an argument
>>78872157
That money didn't seem to do anything considering the communists couldn't even get elected anyway, do communists ever get elected?
Learn to earn your peoples ire and admiration as Hitler did.
Example
>>>/gif/8801647
There is nothing like Adolf Hitler
>>78871858
>The only reason they got nukes was because of german scientists, same with the USA
Oppenheimer-jewish american
David Bohm-jewish American
Leo Szilard-jewish hungarian
Eugene Wigner-hungarian
Otto Frisch-Austrian born Brit
Rudolf Peirels-GERMAN born jewish Britbong
Feix Bloch-Swiss
Niels Bohr-Dane
Emilio Sgre-Italian
James Franck-GERMAN
Enrico Fermi-Italian
Klaus Fuchs-GERMAN
Ed Teller-Hungarian born jewish American
but "hurr durr it was all germanys doing!"
>>78872047
>The US industrialized in the 1800s along with every other civilized nation and did so without mass starvation and genocide
>Russia is better because they tried to play catch up and industrialized in the 1920s at the cost of millions of lives
>>78872527
>Learn to earn your peoples ire and admiration as Hitler did.
Hitler wasnt elected either though. And Russians fucking loved Stalin, even after his death. It was actually really controversial when Khrushchev started shit talking Stalin
>>78872527
He did not rob banks for "elections" it was for funding REVOLUTION you dumbass
You obviously don't know anything about Stalin, or the Russian Revolution, or being a revolutionary in the first place
>>78873273
Russians didn't love Stalin literally the moment he died they started De-Stalinization and even took his name off cities , just an accepted piece of trash that thankfully went away.
It was a sigh of relief for the slavic people that this goergian foreigner was finally gone.
>>78872622
>jews taking credit for other people's work as usual
just kill yourself jew
>>78872266
>Being so brainwashed you think it's a myth
https://youtu.be/HhFRGDyX48c
>American education
>>78872181
>>78872343
Great posts
>>78872527
t. canadian
>>78862709
Kek mfw when people actually look up to either of those perennial losers
>>78873307
Revolution seems to be a sprinkle coded word for * disregard what the people want and try to get into power no matter what *
We national socialists actually care about dominating other parties via elections because that's called being civilized, and we are confident we can win the people over much more than communists. As made obvious by their code word " revolution " when the only ones who actually posed a threat to capitalism has ever been national socialists.
>>78873543
>the moment he died they started De-Stalinization and even took his name off cities
yeah, it was really controversial like I said. Stalin was seen as the savoir of Russia. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about
>>78873595
erratic stromfag drivel. not an argument and doesnt make any sense
>>78871858
Actually, Germans had no idea they could use their developments in nuclear technology and use it to create a super massive bomb capable of so much damage.
Almost all the development of nuclear weapons was done by the USA, with some of the forefront research done by Germans, and a small amount of Soviet development, mainly on how to supersize bombs but keep them stable.
>>78873850
>disregard what the people want and try to get into power no matter what *
>>78873850
>We national socialists actually care about dominating other parties via elections because that's called being civilized, and we are confident we can win the people over much more than communists. As made obvious by their code word " revolution " when the only ones who actually posed a threat to capitalism has ever been national socialists.
Hitler tried a revolution and it failed because it had no real support. Go read about the Beer Hall Putsch
and again, Hitler WAS NOT elected.
>>78873932
Hahaha " controversial "
I'll just say what I said again.
De-stalinization took place when he died like everyone was waiting for it.
Everyone hated him, took his name off everything and tried to forget he existed.
And no one even forced them to they CHOSE to do it.
Do you think the same would happen to Hitler? Hell no. The capitalists and commies actually had to force a de-nazification program because of how much the German people still loved him.
Foreigners forced de-nazification, while the soviets themselves chose de-stalinization.
Additionally no Russian nationalists actually like Stalin obviously because he is not even slavic.
Many commies don't even like him in fact I'd dare say the majority don't. Lenin is a different story but we aren't talking about Lenin. Talking about STALIN lel even Lenins final words were boiled down to * Stop Stalin, a bank robbing criminal should not even be near this amount of authority *
>>78874053
We Canadian use a similar government type as the Germans, and this is what we consider being elected. Justin Trudeau was not elected- his party was.
But many still refer to him as * being elected *
The same is going to be said with Hitler so you can deal with that.
Support Pinochet instead.
>>78874391
>The capitalists and commies actually had to force a de-nazification program because of how much the German people still loved him.
this isnt true at all. There was no real push to keep fighting for nazism or anything like that after the war, nor was there any real push to keep it a legit poltical force.
And yes, Kruschev was very controversial when he criticized the cult of personality Stalin had. Please actually read up on this instead of speaking out of your ass.
>>78874509
>The same is going to be said with Hitler so you can deal with that.
you can make up all the bullshit excuses you want to, but Hitler wasnt elected and he led a failed revolution that had no support.
Do neo-commie sjw college students like Stalin? or does his huge body count turn them off?
>>78875030
cultural marxism was born out of criticizing Stalin and basically making their own fan fiction version of marxism.
Like if someone read the bible and came up with their own special snowflake interpretation, and had a schism with the catholic church to establish their own branch of the religion.
>>78874734
?
De-nazification continues to this day. I mean are you joking when you say it didn't exist?
The national socialist party is still illegal in most of Europe and Hitlers speeches are banned.
Meanwhile communism never had to be made illegal because no one considers it a threat it's just a laugh topic and the commies can try all they want.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification
Please accept the fact de-stalinization occured when he died and he was hated.
The soviets chose this themselves.
While all national socialists are still united and always will be under Hitler- the same is not said about communists many of them I speak to say * stalin was not a real communist * * i hate stalin dont bring him up please *
>>78874734
>you can make up all the bullshit excuses you want to, but Hitler wasnt elected and he led a failed revolution that had no support.
?
Is there a problem?
Over twice the amount of support as the 2nd largest party?
It's always good to exercise how deluded commies are.
>>78875265
>De-nazification continues to this day
no it doesnt.
>Please accept the fact de-stalinization occured when he died and he was hated.
>The soviets chose this themselves.
>While all national socialists are still united and always will be under Hitler- the same is not said about communists many of them I speak to say * stalin was not a real communist * * i hate stalin dont bring him up please *
all non sequiturs. Please read about how controversial it was for Kruschev to criticize Stalin. Its called "the secret speech" for a reason. And the Germans were ready to move past Hitler and nazism as well. There were multiple attempts on Hitlers life by his own men. He was really unpopular, especially torwards the end of the war. Karl Donitz was quick to surrender to the Americans and British and made it a point to tell Himmler and the SS to fuck off.
And the nazi party is dead as dead can be now. Its just edgy LARPers now, most of which arent even German. Like you
>>78865613
>didnt like jews and purged them out of his government
The Bolsheviks were 80-85% jewish. Lenin was probably a jew (unconfirmed) and he married a jew. It's widely rumored that Stalin's father was jewish and that Stalin changed his namee to hide his heritage.
The communists that tried to over throw the german government after WWI were mostly jewish too. Communism is a jewish ideology.
>>78875824
You can keep saying it was "controversial" but it was done overwhelmingly.
Also de-nazification is continued but it will come to an end soon- just like the EU.
Once again will national socialism be legal in Europe, something communism enjoys but can't make fuck all of it because it's reliant upon muh armed revolution since their ability to get elected is probably the worst record in history.
>>78876189
The biggest example of what your picture describes is this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor#Soviet_and_Western_denial
>>78876189
>It's widely rumored that Stalin's father was jewish
no it isnt
>The communists that tried to over throw the german government after WWI were mostly jewish too.
and 10,000 German jews joined the german military in WW1
>>78876216
>You can keep saying it was "controversial" but it was done overwhelmingly.
you can keep being willfully ignorant about something, but that doesnt make it true.
>Also de-nazification is continued but it will come to an end soon- just like the EU.
no it doesnt, because nazis arent a political party or legitimate political group and havent been for 80+ years. Its just hooligans and conspiracy theorist LARPing on the internet. Just look at you, you arent even German and are obsessed with the theatrical nature of nazism mostly.
Dictators are an extreme solution, they are not something you want during peacetimes. Even on the offchance you get one that is intelligent and benevolent his successor probably won't be and he'll turn your country into a hellhole.
>>78876796
>u can keep being willfully ignorant about something,
What am I being ignorant of exactly? Saying de-stalinization was controversial doesn't mean anything, what is concrete is it was done.
>no it doesnt
Here is a modern form of national socialist suppression
What other political ideology is actively shut down and in Europe itself put into law as being illegal?
Communists can't claim being suppressed anymore....or the suppression they possibly face is nothing in comparison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjEBxfzhEL4
>>78862709
Hitler was just like /pol/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnpTWKKWQ1o
>>78876796
Hi Schlomo! 10,000 is a neglibel number if it was even true given that the armies numbered in the several millions. They also similarly to WW II jews in the American army sought out jobs who didn't take part in active fighting but hugely benefited them financially and prestige wise.
You're also ignoring how they actively sabotaged and hampered the Weimar Republic, while using foreign money to seize almost the entire financial sector and large parts of the economy. Without the Nazi intervention, they would've owned the entire country in short order through rather nefarious means. At the same time other Jewish groups such as the Spartacists tried to actively take over rather than simply buy the country out and were beaten back in an outright civil war.
They also very quickly set about to produce a situation of completely impoverishing the general population, sabotaging any kind of Christian of European values, promoting rampant decadence and debauchery, including running entire child brothels using European girls some of whom they outright imported and tried to make pedophilia acceptable.
Obviously, not for themselves. Just for the goys.
>>78877195
Indeed he was
>>78877123
>Saying de-stalinization was controversial doesn't mean anything
yes it does. This entire debate is about the russian people just waiting to say "fuck stalin" vs Kruschev actually taking a big risk by calling out Stalin and you are being stubborn for some reason and refusing to acknowledge this, or that Stalin had a powerful cult of personality. Similar to the one you still have for hitler.
And it isnt suppresed you LARPer. the NDP is still legal, as are whatever rip offs you have of it else where. You are a canadian 20 something advocating for an 80 year old politically irrelevant radical german nationalist party. Most members of which are just violent hooligans who try and legitimatize their hatred of ___ people
>>78877518
>hi schlomo
not an argument.
>>78877518
also, you have to be fucking retarded to think the fucking shitty literally who communist revolution in 1918 is the reason Germany lost WW1
>>78878255
Stalin had no cult of personality akin to Hitlers , I literally have a thread open in which can serve as what Hitler was- meanwhile none can do the same for Stalin he cannot even compare.
>>>/gif/8801562
>>78878500
>Stalin had no cult of personality akin to Hitlers
you are again, talking out of your ass. And I dont give a shit about your hitler speech thread. no shit they are going to support him with a gun to their backs
your claim that the russians were just waiting for stalin to die is bullshit. They were all crying when he died. They loved him. Its at the point where I cant understand how you can not know this. Try reading actual history instead of just neo-nazi blogs sometime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wojz2-6vM2o
>>78876796
>no it isnt
Literally and unironically not an argument
>>78879020
you made up a complete bullshit claim and I called you out on it. Literally no one, except for you and a handful of other stormfags, think Stalin is jewish.
He went to seminary school to become a orthodox priest you dolt
>>78878931
>they were all crying
>except all of them that enacted de-stalinization I mean literally spitting on him it isn't even necessary to take his name off things but they did it anyway
No one loved Stalin, when he died he died alone in his palace while Hitler died with his faithful willingly loyal comrades and woman.
If the national socialists won ww2, and Hitler died later there wouldn't be a * de-hiterlification*
>>78879670
>If the national socialists won ww2, and Hitler died later there wouldn't be a * de-hiterlification*
Are you actually making up an alternative history situation and using it as a fact? lol
And you are just being stubborn now. They had to force stalinization, it wasnt something everyone was waiting to do like you said.
>>78879828
I'm sure the only one stubborn here is the one who would need to constantly argue with other communists that * Stalin wasn't shit guys! *
>>78880214
you literally have the brain of a child if you actually took anything I said to mean I like either Stalin or Communism, or that I am defending any of his actions.
This entire thread has been me trying to force some little piece of information into your thick skull which you refuse to accept because it doesnt conform to your delusional stormfag meme history. Good night and have fun LARPing
>>78880495
Refuse to accept what exactly? An American questionable race trying to tell me that Russians or Communists like Stalin? Yes I refuse that, another opposition that is dumb as fuck.
I have a thread with vast Hitler speeches for anyone interested, these are banned in most of Europe but viewable here.
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>>78867672
Stfu degenerate cuck
>>78867392
Bullshit the people got nothing out of the industrialization it all went to the communist gov
>>78881105
They got less than nothing out of it. Being squeezed like a sponge, exuding blood and sweat, and then being made to fight to the death- for a cause that would make your own people extinct anyway since communism is globalist and wants to remove borders globally and the slav would meet the same fate the Germanic would.
In short, communism enslaves a people and marches them to their own racial extinction via embracing * one world * ideology.
>>78881390
>for a cause that would make your own people extinct anyway since communism is globalist and wants to remove borders globally and the slav would meet the same fate the Germanic would
>what is the stalinist concept of socialism in one state
Read Ustryalov if you want to properly understand stalinism. He was a traditional despot that used the communists to instaurate his own variant of Russian despotism as it was before the revolution.
>>78867848
You dont know that
>>78881647
Stalin isn't a Russian, he is not even a Slav.
" socialism in one state " is accepting reality that communist world revolution would not happen in the foreseeable future.
So please reply with how you think a foreigner applies to ethnic nationalism since you seemed to quite me on a specifically ethnic nationalist related topic.
>>78864251
Stalin wasnt successful because he was murdered by Beria then Kruschev killed Beria and denounced Stalin. Stalin's wife killed herself both his sons died in the war and his daughter defected to the west. Literally everyone fucking hated Stalin because he was a cunt.
compare that to Hitler where no one could successfully kill him and his wife and several other high ranking Nazis followed him into death because even though he failed they believed in him that much and people still follow his ideals today.
THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT COULD BE ARGUED FOLLOWS STALIN TODAY IS NK AND ITS BASICALLY HELL ON EARTH
>>78882079
Because Russian nationalism isn't ethnic, but imperial. The 'Soviet man' of Stalin is the equivalent of the 'Rossiyanin' of Russia past and present.
And socialism in one state is geopolitical pragmatism and a way to mask Russian imperialism, just like pan-Slavism, pan-Orthodoxism or the more recent Eurasianism.
>>78869829
Hitler literally volunteered constantly for all the dangerous missions
>>78882410
The same could be said for Germany pre-national socialist as evident by how jews were allowed to be in the government or military or anywhere.
An ethnic nationalist revolution is required in this modern age for the goals of preserving the race- to cement nationalism as being directly tied to ethnicity/race FOREVER.
>>78882606
Nothing like Germany. Russian culture maintained its traditional character throughout the ages, while German(and National Socialist in particular) culture was a degeneration of tradition as a result of Illuminism in general and Protestantism in particular.
Believe what you will about ethno-nationalism, but those are Western fixation which Russian thought did not and does not share.
>>78862709
Stalin trampled over his own people, 6 gorrilian? try ~20 million the least bit nationalist only in it for his own power.
>>78862709
>Any good reasons for me to support Hitler rather than some other dictator like let's say Stalin?
Stalin gulag'd and killed the most useful people to Russian society, and almost destroyed his country as a result. Hitler at least had the good sense to only oppress irrelevant groups and parasites, and give support to productive individuals.
If you're going to do totalitarianism, for the love of kek at least do it right.
>>78882875
Also, a quite relevant quote by Ustryalov:
Let it be that we believed in a different path of national resurrection. We were wrong - our path is condemned and by the bitter irony of fate we unexpectedly to ourselves had suddenly almost become the "immigrants of the reaction". But now that our end dream - the resurrection of our motherland, is finally coming true, will we stubbornly insist on defending the ruins of our collapsed positions? .. After all, now such stubbornness would be directly harmful to our common national cause, it would only artificially hold back the processes of the country's unification and regaining her strength.
Naturally we thought that the national flag and "How glorious our Lord in Zion" are more befitting of the style of national resurrection than the red banner and the "Internationale'. But things came out differently. Above the Winter Palace which had regained its proud visage of an authentic superpower's might, the red banner waves impertinently, and the "Internationale" is played by the ancient chimes over the Spassky gate that still represent a profound historical-national sacredness. It may be strange and painful to the eyes and ears, it is jarring to us - but in the end in the depth of the soul a question unwittingly arises:
-Does the red banner desecrate the Winter palace, - or is it the other way around, and the Winter palace makes the red banner beautiful? Does the "Internationale" desecrate with unholy sounds the Spassky gate, or does the Spassky gate give new meaning to the "Internationale" with its Kremlin spirit?
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Therefore, the continuation of the civil war, creation of fringe "footholds" and foreign interventions are only of interest and benefit to narrow class interests of those elements that directly suffered from the revolution. Russia's interests are of absolutely no concern here.
>>78882875
Of course Russia does not share that hence they could not be seen as an ally and the slav would have a questionable fate for being such a slave to his own racial extinction under communism.
>>78884107
Believe what you will, but Russia will become even stronger in the coming decades, while the self-destruction of most Western Europeans states if not a certainty, has at least a great probability.
>>78884231
Russia has the highest wealth inequality in the world, it is a materialistic, shallow people just as they were back in communism.
Materialistic peoples are drawn to both communism and capitalism- they don't fight for things Beyond their individual but seek to simply satisfy their material wants and want to find a road that best gives them this.
>>78885580
>Russia has the highest wealth inequality in the world
Which is how it always was, from the tsarist aristocracy, to the soviet nomenklatura, to the modern oligarchs. Their nationalism is reactionary, yours is revolutionary rooted in the French Revolution and just another form of modern humanism restricted to the modern nation state.
>>78885997
The french revolution is certainly something indifferent to race, and not bound to the nation state like national socialism is.
People should realize these globalists are taking both the left and right routes to globalism and only national socialism/fascism opposes them.
>>78862709
>Stalin just happened to be much more paranoid.
And he died of old age in bed.
>>78887182
you mean in his own piss in the middle of the floor
>>78878255
Good job not addressing any of the other things written. Mighty inconvenient to your narrative, aren't they?
>>78878419
Who said anything about World War I you imbecile? Nobody but you did! Because you're desperately trying to change the topic here. Pretty suspective. Really makes you think huh?
