We may not be leaving at all!
BORIS: "The margin of victory was not overwhelming"
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/747178341514489856
>democracy
>vote it 10 times until we get the option we want!
totally correct
>>78854350
>BORIS: "The margin of victory was not overwhelming"
isn't that a plainly obvious fact? it was a 4% split.
>>78854622
democracy isn't an even split....
>>78854855
The fact he's saying it though suggests he's not willing to lead us out the EU. Being the British PM to do such is now a poison chalice.
>>78854985
leave won with 52%
Well, there go his chances. If the Tories are dumb enough to give him the PM seat, it'll be a purple landslide with Nige applying Article 50 the very next day.
>>78854350
Taken from a piece he just wrote for the Telegraph, where he made clear we're leaving, hopefully on terms best for all.
He won't win the tory leadership if he doesn't promise to leave, the base is incredibly eurosceptic.
Fucking tosser, why are our politicians such limp wristed cucks
>>78854350
Why are you people surprised? For most of his life he has been an open borders and EU loyalist
He was praying for a narrow loss just for the political capitol, he never actually wanted to get out of the EU
>>78855182
that's good for voting for a party leader, but for the fate of the entire country. You can't say an overwhelming majority wants this.
52% isn't overwhelming in any category.
Hell you could even claim a margin of error, of people that voted the wrong thing by accident, mental illness or whatever else of even 1% would be low balling it, and whatever method of ballet stuffing...
but yeah.
"""""won" """"
>>78854350
Nice source, (((Sky News))).
I-it was just a protest vote bros!
S-see we were just unhappy with being in the EU but we dont actually want to leave because itll bugger our economy, and besides, the people who voted leave are all going to be working class scum and their opinions dont count
The referendum was advisory and not legally binding. Of course, failing to go through with it risks mass defections to UKIP from Tories and a general "purple surge". Very tricky politics.
Good goys. Proud of ya.
t. Merkel (and the kike overlords)
>>78855678
And if it had gone the other way, you and all the Remain subhumans would be dubbing it the most spectacular victory of all times.
Eat shit, nigger.
>>78854350
>https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/747178341514489856
You Islanders are total fags.
We Mountain jews decided to break our ties with EU with a .34 basis points margin.
>>78855678
700k to 1 million votes more isn't margin of error.
>>78855678
Over a million votes
>accident
>>78855189
but hes not ukip leader.
>>78855802
well he is slated tomorrow to come out infavour of a trade agreement whereby we accept free movement again. He said 'I do not accept that immigration was the prime motivation for Briis to vote leave'.
What a fucking coward!
>>78854350
> Leading 'out' campaigner Boris Johnson says the margin by which the UK voted to leave the European Union was "not entirely overwhelming"
Wow, a direct quote that was a plain fact. Breaking news.
I want some more breaking news. What did Boris have for dinner tonight?
>>78855678
If it had gone the other way, would a recount have been done?
No.
So shut the fuck up and deal with it.
>>78855678
yes FPTP is stupid, democracy in general is a dumb fucking way of making decisions
but thats not what you are upset about you leftist faggot, you have no fundamental problem with 52% bossing the country around, just this outcome
Does this mean Nigel will be the next PM instead of this fat awkward tosser?
>>78855967
the thing is it's about changing a policy, to deny it is easy, to over turn it should be hard, the initial set up came fro a LONG time of negotiating, this is almost a snap turn vote.
it seems just retarded, like if you can get 51% of a country to vote to change it's name to BONERLAND it should happen, regardless that 49% don't want it.
>Daily reminder that there will be a general election this autumn resulting in a Labour/SNP coalition which will cancel out the referendum result
Personally I never really liked Boris, he seems like a fun chap but he's so flippy floppy on his stances. Plus
>Tories
>Acting like actual conservatives.
>>78856405
>like if you can get 51% of a country to vote to change it's name to BONERLAND it should happen, regardless that 49% don't want it.
That's called democracy. If you don't like it, move to North Korea.
>>78855678
Fucking delusional cuck pretends he doesn't know what "margin of error" is. Why would the people would vote to Leave by accident? How come no Remainers were confused or mentally ill? Retarded arguments.
>>78856431
You forgot the lib dems, it's okay, no-one remembers them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36635273
>>78854350
>>78854622
YOU VOTE THE WAY WE TELL YOU TO VOTE
>>78856431
good god you can't be that stupid
with forecasting skills like these you must put all your savings in powerball tickets
>>78856002
mental illness affects only .000001% of people including dyslexia and schizophrenia, but yeah accurate
Britain needs to make this guy the new PM.
He seems committed to "leave", and he btfo of this liberal interviewer
https://youtu.be/7IlJgep1bag
>>78855608
Haha.
>>78856313
well the vote is to destroy previous law. it should be harder to repeal a law then sustain it.
>>78854350
Shut up pro-EU shill.
Boris has penned a Telegraph article with the clear intention of leaving.
Um.....are the UK retarded?
Wait, has Australia and UK not figured out..?
WHAT
TRADE WITH US. RIGHT NOW. WHAT THE FUCK. THERE IS A MASSIVE ADVANTAGE WITHIN YOUR OWN COMMONWEALTH.
WHAT THE FUCK.
>>78856317
in a court that wouldn't be allowed to pass a judgement.... leftism you know... but 52% is as split as can be
>>78854350
In full context:
>I believe that millions of people who voted Leave were also inspired by the belief that Britain is a great country, and that outside the job-destroying coils of EU bureaucracy we can survive and thrive as never before. I think that they are right in their analysis, and right in their choice. And yet we who agreed with this majority verdict must accept that it was not entirely overwhelming.
>There were more than 16 million who wanted to remain. They are our neighbours, brothers and sisters who did what they passionately believe was right. In a democracy majorities may decide but everyone is of equal value. We who are part of this narrow majority must do everything we can to reassure the Remainers. We must reach out, we must heal, we must build bridges – because it is clear that some have feelings of dismay, and of loss, and confusion.
>>78856405
That's how democracy works, buddy. Don't like it?
Politicians are meant to serve the public. Not rule them. They must respect the will of the people. Even if it means changing the name of the country.
50.000001% is the majority.
What the fuck is this shit?
Does it mean we won't be fucking leaving for good?
Do I STILL need to high tail it to Oz/Zealand?
>>78856892
Why?
>>78856130
He wouldn't need a party.
Nige would win by himself. The nige party.
>>78856892
This reasoning doesn't fly. The rules were set, one side clearly one. It wasn't a tie, for fuck's sake.
All this talk of needing 65%+ or "old people shouldn't vote" is nothing but nonsense. If you they had set rules beforehand that called for certain quotas to be met, fine. That's not what happened.
Deal with it.
>>78856313
like al gore and bush vote?
yeah, that's what happens in teh split votes m8.
but this isn't an even choice, there is an existing status quo, this is over turning an existing law, not establishing between two choices evenly.
I don't even care or really know the full implicating either way, but 52% wouldn't pass in canada if quebec wanted to separate or to legalize pot because it's going against a status quo, not an even choice.
>>78857198
To be honest, he should make a new party, UKIP has a lot of negativity and it seems like every member of it is trying to bring Nigel down. It's like every week we hear a new story of some member saying something that upsets everyone or is involved in a scandal.
I didnt expect to win anyway.
Still if he doesnt the Queen will fuck with Parliament and choose someone who will go with brexit.
Millennials will then cry about old white people all over again.
When are they going to nationalize our steel?
With trade and a weaker pound and struggling industry now seems like a good time, especially since Wales voted Brexit.
>>78857444
Refer to:
>>78857401
It doesn't matter what would happen in Quebec. The rules were set before the referendum took place. People who educated themselves knew what was about to happen.
The lefties need to deal with the consequences of their (in)actions.
>>78856950
Relax. Yes, the Empire - I mean Commonwealth is of course the natural trade group moving forward.
Just one little thing - Turnbull seems to hate poms, or is it just the Queen?
>>78856892
We repealed the law banning gay marriage. Would you have like to make that harder?
What about repealling the ban on weed? Make it harder to legalize weed?
Are you retarded? Do you hate democracy?
>>78856950
>Leaving the EU allows U.K. to open up thier country to free trade with countries outside of Europe. (Asia, Africa)
>Liberals think this is xenophobic and racist
>>78857646
Dont forget to put more bases in Japan and Korea now things are heating up. Then with our anglo union we shall uplift them from honourary aryian to honourary anglo. Japs like tea, have a constitutional monarchy, focused on manners, had an empire, and are an island people. The Britain of the orient.
>>78857664
The law for gay marriage got repealed just showing how changing laws is harder. 52% to change the status quo isn't really good enough. you could do the vote 10 times and the numbers would change.
>>78857531
It would just be Veritas all over again
>>78855678
pathetic
>>78854350
totally predicted this betrayal
>>78857444
weed?
>>78858194
So you tell me what is needed to change the status quo.
>>78857934
Muh bigger world, muh union, union means unity so only bigots hate unions!
Who cares about democracy or working-class, my gap year is now mildly inconvenienced, I'm going to call you racist and fascisr until you do only what I agree with!
>>78857664
we've had an over 50% popularity to change the weed law for a while, but haven't seen the ban changed, have we.
This is more like the quebec separation law then it is a popularity vote though. no one understands context.
to convit a single person of murder you need an unanimous vote. to vote for a popularity vote you need majority like a party leader or to pass a law, but to repeal a law you need an overwhelming, where it's not going to be a different outcome if you redid the vote. a simple majority isn't going to do. 50.01%
>>78857617
>The lefties need to deal with the consequences of their (in)actions.
The only consequence will be inaction of Tories as in none of them wants to be the PM responsible for leaving EU. Snap elections are incoming and unless Leaver parties win by high margin Brexit is not happening.
Sorry, but to make such important decision for the country 52% for doesn't cut it - the society is too divided and it would break country apart and no politician on any side has balls to do it.
And Nigel is unlikely to win elections high enough.
>>78857934
Lord KEK will save us.
aaand the backpedaling has begun
>>78858634
And if quebec seperation won by 50.0001% back in 1995. Quebec would be it's own country today.
>>78859299
It'd be a pretty shitty country desu, but at least you Canucks wouldn't be forced to speak French.
>>78857531
Well, since its purpose was for getting the UK out of the EU, it should disband anyway. It has served its intended function.
>>78854350
Is this 4chan coming to terms with the fact that right-wing populists like Boris are utter and total con-artists lying through their teeth for their own political career?
Hilarious.
>>78857401
True but don't forge the referendum was never legally binding either. Everyone knew that before the vote.
>>78855978
Look at how terrible democracy works for Switzerland! That place is an absolute shithole, guys. Who the fuck would want to be like the Swiss?
>>78859299
It was stated before hand if it won by 51% they wouldn't allow them t leave.
>>78860406
Because fuck self-determination. Who the fuck needs the consent of the governed?
Queen Elizabeth should be put in charge.
British Politicians obviously can't handle it.
>>78854350
>the margin wasn't overwhelming
>better side with the minority just to be safe
>>78860667
> self-determination
> legal entity that has not self
what the fuck you talking about even?
context.
to convict a person of you need an unanimous vote. to vote for a popularity vote you need majority like a party leader or to pass a law, but to repeal a law you need an overwhelming, where it's not going to be a different outcome if you redid the vote. a simple majority isn't going to do. 50.01%
>>78859664
populism is idiotic and only attract idiots, they'll never figure out anything
>>78854350
Not without a fucking fight
>>78855678
How the fuck do kikes live with themselves?
>>78854350
SIGN THIS ALL OF YOU THEYRE TRYING TO FUCK US AND PLAN WITHOUT ARE NIGE
sign it and spread it errywhere
https://www.change.org/p/boris-johnson-mp-nigel-farage-must-be-involved-in-the-brexit-negotiations-in-brussels?recruiter=109398915&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink
>>78860406
Back it up with a source.
Can't find anything on the internet that says the seperation from Canada needed more than 51% to pass.
>>78855678
You sound like the rest of the leftist cunts I have on facebook. We are going to be remembered as the 'Entitled Generation' and I am fucking ashamed of it.
>>78861297
I read it in a newspaper, that was like a decade ago... it never happened either but in the context it makes sense, sorry if you don't understand the difference of a repeal and a popularity vote.
>>78861255
Why should Farage be involved?
He's just a fanboy's wet dream, he's not even democratically elected.
>>78861455
yeah, but is it less entitled to leave the EU because of fear of your jobs and payment to germany or whatever? that's saying you're entitled to britain, but it's in favour by the older britian not the younger.
so what you're talking about is entitled means that this has anything to do with social policy at all?
>>78856331
Nigel isn't even a politician m8. One of the reasons why shit's mad. UKIP didn't even have a contingency plan for Independence haha. Still worth it.
>>78861255
Signed.
>>78854350
https://www.change.org/p/boris-johnson-mp-nigel-farage-must-be-involved-in-the-brexit-negotiations-in-brussels
Get this signed lads. The Conservatives care more about their popularity than our interests. They are clearly forming a fifth column against all us patriotic Britons, and they can't be trusted to ensure our post-Brexit demands are met. We have won the battle, but the war has just begun.
Our next aim should be to get Farage the platform he needs to speak for us. Boris will only go so far. Let's get the representation we deserve, and let's get Nigel the recognition he deserves. Our independent future will not be truly secure until we do.
Sign this petition, share it.
Join UKIP, vote UKIP in the next elections.
With Labour in turmoil and the Tories divided over the Brexit issue, it's the perfect time for UKIP's ranks to swell.
>>78860822
she could dissolve parliament
>>78861534
You're full of it, buddy!
There was no legal binding in the referendum stating Quebec needed more than 51% to seperate from Canada.
The "stay" side won by 50.58% in 1995. Which is democracy at work, but in your eyes, isn't good enough.
>>78857130
Hey Britbro, you do realise we're not in the EU either, right?
>>78854350
He's fucking bottled it, good job pissing off over hlaf the country. Major civil unrest incoming
>>78858192
Never considered this but it might also be the british influence.
Either way yellow man welcome home
TAKE ME IN OH TENDER WOMAN
Well shit. Boris was my main reason for supporting leave. This sucks. I like Farage, but he doesn't have Boris' cult of personality. Did he really just do a 180?
>>78861940
democracy works for popularity votes, but to overturn laws should be more then a 50.58%
the effort to make a law is much higher then it is to repeal it. that's the context.
>>78863068
You seem to have this misguided idea that repealing laws is easier than creating them.
Can you give me an example?
The government here in Canada is having a difficult time repealing the ban on weed, but seemed to have no problem pushing out the new assisted dying bill.
>>78856431
Not happening as long as NatSoc Corbster is leader
>>78854985
>Le eben split meme
"If I keep repeating a 4% margin in a sample of 33 million people is even it becomes true"
>>78863068
A lot of laws get passed through without us voting for them, and the few times a law is appealed we held a referendum, which doesnt even guarantee the law will get repealed.
You think it's easier to repeal laws than it is to make them?
A lot of politicians will "iron clad" a bill they pass is parliament, which esentially means, they're making it as difficult as possible to repeal it.
If a country were to vote to go to war, would 52% be enough to say majority?
Holy shit I am now in favour of a General Election.
UKIP is going to fucking sweep this with a 52% majority.
We will have a literal meme Government. But it will be led by a man who will actually bring us out of the EU and it would be the next great happening of our age.
>>78864006
When has the public ever voted to go to war?
All this uncertainty is going to kill this fucking country.
We are out and there's no going back. Someone needs to grab their fucking nuts and take command of the leave camp.
We never fucking predicted the leave campaigners would be such cucked loser faggots.
>>78854350
Ffs man just fucking accept it! Christ
>>78855678
it was a lot more than 4% until the Jo Cox psyop
>>78863068
>to overturn laws should be more
Why should it be this way?
>>78861732
The entitled generation we are seeing are lefty young people who have been mollycoddled by the Education system. Given everything they want at Uni and not challenged (safe spaces for fuck sake) and told they are right all the time because they just parrot what is drilled I to their head. When they get out into the real world they throw all their toys out the pram at the first obstacle. They are weak and can't handle such disappointment as Brexit happening.
>>78863958
That's because repealing a bill shouldn't be a popularity vote. if you could do that, anarchists can take down a country in days.
it's like stockwell days proposition of making bills by getting 10% of the popularity to vote for it, they wanted to change his name to doris day then, and got 11% to poll for it.
>>78862366
I cannot wait
Friendly reminder that it wasn't really a 48/52 split among the entire country as nearly 30% of eligible voters couldn't be bothered to get to that ballot box.
By not voting they signaled they were fine with either outcome and therefore the out does have an overwhelming majority.
It's painfully obvious that the establishment were so confident that they could fool the public into staying in that they didn't even plan for making the best of if it was a leave vote.
So now they are on complete damage control, media plants claiming it was a protest vote, exaggerating normal market speculation as an actual crash and making big deals out of non-issues like the extra NHS funding.
Though the entire campaign and even on the voting day they ignored all issues about the actual EU and merkel and tried to turn it desperately into a Tory vs Labour affair and when that didn't work they are basically saying we don't understand the full impact of the vote we made.
I was so happy on Friday but now I know it's not going to be that easy. There's going to be blood.
>>78864022
hahahah no chance m8
farage couldn't win a seat, no way he is getting into downing st
>>78861255
signed
>>78855027
#TimeForNigel
It's simply a statement of fact.
Another statement of fact is that despite it not being an overwhelming victory, it's still a victory.
What was the percentage required to join the EU in the first place? One person said 50%+1, but I don't know if they were right or not. If it is true, then why could such a large change be made with only that requirement, and not this?
>>78854350
Holy shit stop flip flopping and get the fuck out all this waiting only makes it worse.
“He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated,” the comment, by a prolific and anti-Brexit commenter identified as Teebs, says. “If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over – Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession … broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this.”
>>78854350
thank you captain obvious
>>78864314
how does that have anything to do with Brexit.
I think it might be a language thing but what does
>they throw all their toys out the pram at the first obstacle
what's a pram???
>>78864632
If a GE was called now as both Labour and the Tories are in a state of disaster UKIP would sweep it.
>>78864513
Why did the Brexiters not plan?
They have no excuse.
Maybe because Boris was politically maneuvering with no actual interest in principles.
>>78864385
If a politician can easily pass a law that does more harm than good, it should be just as easy to repeal it.
But referendums are not easy. Especially when people knew about it coming for a year. If all that work and planning for one side to win the referendum on repealing a law. Then it must be respected. Even if it won by just 50.1%
>>78865052
I defended them on not having a plan because it's hard to come up with a plan before leaving the EU.
But they haven't even fucking decided who's going to manage this shit, it's a total fucking disaster as it stands.
Both sides need to put aside the rhetoric, get round the negotiating table and it stop it from happening again.
>>78859495
They're not out. They need to Invoke article 50, AND renegotiate all the trade deals, immigration and visa arrangements.
>>78861010
You want to talk context? How about this: Approximately 8% of the population of the American colonies fought in the War of Independence. 8% decided for 100% that the British would no longer govern over them. Those who couldn't abide that could leave, but the vast majority didn't.
That is what self-determination is: the right to choose who you want to govern your nation. If you don't voice your opinion or fight for what you want, then sit the fuck down and stay out of the goddamn way as real men do the hard work.
Majority doesn't rule, only the people willing to fight do. When you realize that, everything starts to make a lot more sense and the world starts to look a lot more bleak.
I had a hard time grasping why Britain would want out of the EU, and it's beginning to become clearer. There's no financial incentive; renegotiating the hundreds of agreements and such that they're going to have to do, from a position of weakness compared to where they were before, is economic suicide, or as near as makes no difference. They had their own laws and such, so there wasn't much regulatory burden. They aren't gaining any freedoms, except the freedom to be marginalized in the shadow of the rest of the EU, so that tired argument is out as well. The only thing left is immigration, which is sadly ironic, considering England's history of forced colonization.
>>78854350
praise democracy :^)
>>78854350
Kneel before your true overlords Brit Bongs.
>>78854350
Boris is liberal scum. Nigel needs to be PM
>>78854622
sure
>>78857075
>>78855678
We already knew there was going to be a 52/48 result either way, faggot. I didn't hear these arguments when everyone was confident that 52% would be for remain.
>>78854855
you are obviously trolling
>>78855866
You can't barrage the Farage.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36637037
>In his first words since accepting the result of the EU referendum on Friday, Mr Johnson wrote that "the only change" would be to free the UK from the EU's "extraordinary and opaque" law, which "will not come in any great rush".
>His column said: "I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. "There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the ciences, the universities, and on improving the environment.
>"EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU. British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI - the BDI - has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.
>]The only change - and it will not come in any great rush - is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU's extraordinary and opaque system of legislation
>>78866057
Sounds like Britain needs to have its first public hanging in 150 years.
>>78865679
stfu scum
>>78857444
Yes it would you stupid fuck. There was a referendum already and if it was over 50% they would have left.
>>78854350
>trusting a johnson not to fuck you
>>78856405
If you need more than 50.000001% votes on one side to win then it's a fucking rigged poll.
"Hey wassup guys, if you want the Tories to win the general election, they need >99% of votes, or it's a victory for Labor!"
>>78863068
Why? Fuck you. A majority is enough. Your system is FAR too conservative.
>>78855678
Dude, you country's prime minister won with less than 40%
What is this "rule" the petition clames to invoke? Where and when is this rule written and does the vote meet the criteria?
>>78863068
WTF no it's WAYYYY harder to reppeal laws than to create them.
>>78856892
Cry harder faggot, Brexit won and will happen
>>78864787
it's not a race, it's a sample group to reflect the will of it's people.
>>78858561
Leftist have to win.
What do hate change?!
>>78866554
not in a popularity vote, there's a natural bias that people want to vote no.
>>78866413
>Your system is FAR too dictatorial*
FTFY
>>78866646
I don't care either way, I am saying this on a purely academic level, but sorry if that opinion offends your view. I don't think I was salty, since I wasn't really talking from any level of emotion butt hurt sally.
>>78866554
I meant harder, as in effort to create the law vs the effort to repeal it. not the effort to vote for a reapl.
HAHAHAHA
What a back pedaling faggot. And to think we were praising you bongs for being based af
>>78855678
Top fucking leaf
Kill yourself
You guys are fucking stupid. The likes control everything. You didn't believe that they had a emergency plan in case leave won?
The Jews always wins. You stupid inbreed twats
>Britain vote to uncuck themselves
>"Whoa, hang on guys this seems a little hard to do. Let's stop!"
>"I agree."
HAHAHAHA
>>78867181
Dictatorial is keeping laws in place that most people don't want. You want tyranny of the minority, suck a dick.
>>78857601
We have some lovely iron ore we would love to sell you.
>>78867486
it's not a popularity vote, it's on par with crafting a bill, without the effort
>>78854350
The battle for freedom is never conclusively won, it must be re-fought anew every day. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
>>78855678
This is the reason the entire population should not have equal voting power on important matters. I don't want a well-informed professor casting his vote based on pros/cons to have the same input as a fucking retard only listening to popularized catchy oneliners.
There should be a guideline for what referendums can or can't change, and whether everybody has the same influence when voting.
>>78867948
Amen to that
>>78867780
You want rigged votes, is that you Mugabe?
"Yo guys, upcoming EU referendum, if Leave gets less than 95% of votes we're staying. Totally fair n shit. Reflects the will of the people."
>>78855678
the fuck is this rock paper scissors?
why not just have best 2/3 or 7/9 fucking voting sessions. oh yeah because thats not how it works
>>78855678
>52% isn't overwhelming in any category.
Not overwhelming, but decisive. point of comparison from two elections deemed solid wins.
2008 Obama 53.8 McCain 46.2
2012 Obama 51.9 Romney 48.1
>>78855678
We gave 2/3rd of the seats in the parliament to the current ruling party with 30% of the votes.
>>78864953
stroller. baby carriage. whatever the fuck you call it.
>>78855678
>Hell you could even claim a margin of error
>This word you are using, it does not mean what you think it does
Margin of error refers to the degree to which a sample in a public opinion survey might differ from the population as a whole. It has literally nothing to do with election voting.
Do not even try to weasel-word out of this, jusyt admit you didn't know what the term meant and we can all move on.
>>78868483
The difference is that Brexit referendum doesn't have executive power unlike US presidential elections.
Had UKIP won 50% + 1 seats in parliamentary elections there wouldn't be need for this referendum.
Realistically, can Boris Johnson win the Tory leadership if he doesn't promise to completely take us out of Europe? I don't see how he can. David Cameron previously managed to placate the party, but now they've got a mandate to leave the EU, and there's nothing anyone can say except they'll do it, which they're unwilling to do.
The Conservatives are imploding while Labour are exploding. This is madness.
>>78856892
>it should be harder to repeal a law then sustain it.
Fuck no. Laws should all come with sun-set provisions that render them null and void in ten years unless re-enacted.
Africa ,Asia buys from CHINA....UK exports ...?
>>78857075
>but 52% is as split as can be
Wrong. In a contested two way election, a 4 point margin is pretty decisive. 8 points gets into landslide territory.
But is it your contention that the losing side should prevail in a vote you call "close," then? By what logic?
>>78868142
it does sometimes. it's the popularity vote that is 50/50 that works. like your federal elections. but the vote for a bill is different since there's a proposition and multiple layers of of scrutiny it goes through before the vote, congress and senate and what not, but for a vote to repeal a bill, especially ones that's been around for a while, shouldn't be as simple as everyone just voting it down. unlike propositioning of a bill, no one really studied why their voting. for local laws it's not really an issue, for a federal and even international level it's even more erroneous, there's no way the majority of a population can understand the implications of international trading and whatnots.
It's treating the making/unmaking of a law the same as a popularity vote.
In Canada we need a unanimous decision for criminal cases, but in England and Wales a majority of 10–2 is needed for a verdict.
There are cases where popularity vote of 50/50 is not enough to reflect an intelligent decision.
I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND BREXIT NOR HAVE AN OPINION ON IT EITHER WAY. I AM IMPARTIAL.
>>78868483
Yeah, thus showing a glaring flaw in the 2 party decision but it's a popularity vote, not the same as making a law. Even there a federal law in the use has to go before congress and senate, right? multiple votes that one simple 51% won't make a difference.
>>78854350
But it wasn't entirely overwhelming. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that. How does that equate to him saying we might stay in the EU? Why is it that you retards see one thing, and always construe it as something completely different to suit your own bullshit narrative.
The UK was never going to leave anyways.
In a few months, the economic turmoil will turn public opinion MASSIVELY towards the 'remain' side, then the next PM will simply backtrack out leaving and go to Brussels to 'renegotiate', who in turn will give the UK some token concessions.
It's just a pity we've got to deal with such economic fuckery for a few months until this all happens
>>78857444
Do no confuse "recount" with "revote."
A recount will not move a 4 point win, it might change the outcome in a .5% win, but even there likely would not. A recount in a decisive win does not accomplish anything, but does not hurt anything either, I guess, other than waste money.
Revote is dumb -- especially under the rules of the Petition, which would require either side to get 60% plus with 75% turnout -- sine that would never happen for either side, that is just a perpetual referendum.
Also, the difference between Bush and Gor in Florida, where the recount was going on amidst great confusion, was 0.0092% (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2000) or (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html if you don't like Wikipedia -- but you'll have to do your own math there.)
>>78868972
Fucking this.
>>78869647
You mistake my meaning -- I am not speaking to whether a plebiscite is a good idea for law or policy, I am merely saying that, once you decide to have one, it is disingenuous for the losing side to claim that a 4 point win is not decisive. It is.
>>78869876
Sometimes a slave will crawl back to their master, because they know of nothing else.
>>78870084
As a dog returnteth to its vomit, so a fool returns to his folly.
What are you waiting for britbongers??
BITE THE BULLET AND GET IT OVER WITH
>>78858634
The terms were fucking set. You agreed to them and you lost. Jesus Christ, deal with it you whiny faggot. If you had won and the leavers were screaming that they're going to remain in a contract they hate because only 1% more Brits wanted it, you'd be telling them to deal with it too.
>>78870437
There's no one to do it... Our PM has put in resignation so the next guy would do it, but that Turkish piece of Blairite shit is going to back out of it now
Joke of a country
>>78855678
>Hell you could even claim a margin of error, of people that voted the wrong thing by accident, mental illness or whatever else
We accounted for that, the total was 48% of the vote
You're not leaving and there will be drunk brits on Sunny Beach next summer too
This is hilarious. The UK is in complete chaos and is going to suffer horrendously no matter what happens.
The breakup is inevitable.
>>78871128
No, the break up of the UK is not inevitable. The Scottish won't vote for it. The Flower of Scotland and her anus are blowing this way out of proportion and so are the media.
45% of Scots oppose a new Scottish referendum
>>78854350
fake and ghey. no actual news organization reporting it
>>78854350
>BORIS: "The margin of victory was not overwhelming"
>hurrr may not be leaving after all
Ok, whatever you want, just don't hurt the safe room.
>>78871285
What? No they don't. The polls put the Scottish as being heavily for it (65% yes) and the Lib Dems and Labour in Scotland are pushing for it as well.
The EU politician in Merkel's party even welcomed it and said that it would be allowed. I wonder if Scotland could join the Republic of Ireland and form a Celtic Union so Scotland does not have to buttfuck by England anymore.
>>78872149
https://twitter.com/britainelects
>>78870663
so the youth of the country.... the one that will have to live with this change.
damn them for wanting these radical ideas of staying with the EU.
>>78868972
>>78870059
you both fail to understand the amount of effort that goes into drafting even a single bill.
it's not just a simple vote. it's not like you sitting in your class room saying, I THINK WE SHOULD GET PIZZA *do a vote* WERE'RE GETTING PIZZA. It takes months and years and negotiation to even get it to the voting stage.
you kids don't understand how the law works. you think it's all just a popularity vote, because that's what it is for everything not important.
What if they redo it and even more people vote leave the second time around?
>>78868142
is there something wrong for needing a 2/3 vote? because if it was a 2/3 vote needed, then less then 2/3 would be a win for stay.
that alone shows the bias. it's not like 2/3 for a prime minster and 50/50 would mean a re-election. over and over until there was a sway.
>>78873108
That's strange. Scottish people want independence but no referendum? Will they secede? Will they have a referendum regardless as they don't care what England thinks?
Scotland and England will become major enemies over this. A divided kingdom has become reality.
>>78874393
They just want to want it, I guess. It's one thing to desire independence, it's another entirely to put on the big boy pants and take it.
>>78874978
That's the exact same as Brexit.
Can no one in the UK make big decisions?
I wouldn't have a problem with a 2nd referendum if only for the fact that everyone knows for a fact that there wouldn't be one if Remain had won even if they had won by only 50.5% or something.
So if you know the above and still want a 2nd go around then you are a hypocrite.
>>78864675
#FarageMirage
>>78866999
canadians are so good at "stick up the ass posting"
>>78873178
The youth claims that the older generation stole the future from them..
Go look at the unemployment rate of countries in the EU. I'm sure they'll be thankful one day. Being in the EU is a hip trend that the youth supports because it's "globalisation" and that "we're all part of a global community".
>>78873178
>have to live with this change
>implying people who are going to live for 30 more years in a shithole country shouldn't get a vote
you're right, every vote should count as ESTIMATED LIFE SPAN/CURRENT LIFE SPAN to correct for ages and how long people will have to live with decisions
>>78855678
Also any vote regarding foreign treaty should be 66% majority desu
>>78869856
Why would he bring it up if he wasn't going to commit some sort of treachery? If he wanted to follow through with the Leave voter's desires he would frame the vote as a majority - if it was FPTP it would be a 70% result.
He's doing this because he's a fucking shit joke and thinks the public are stupid enough to not notice his lies.
>>78855193
The best terms for the United Kingdom would be membership in the European Economic Area, which would more or less put them in the same position they were in pre-BREXIT--adhering to EU regulations, open borders, and continuing to use the pound sterling.
>>78855027
lol. Get out leddit. OUT OUT OUT
>>78876828
did they have that majority to get into the EU?
>>78855678
quality post m8
>>78854350
Regardless, Britain is so divided down the middle that even if staying won financial markets would still take a hit from the uncertainty .
>>78855027
>poisoned chalice
WE NEED:
REES MOGG AS TORY LEADER
FRANK FIELD AS LABOUR LEADER
AND EVERYONE TO VOTE UKIP
>>78873178
>they have to live with the decision
>only 34% of these people bothered to get off their lazy backsides to vote
They have NO right to complain
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/hong-kong-democracy-campaigners-demand-return-to-british-rule-as/
>>78854985
>A majority isn't a majority
A FUCKING LEAF
>>78854350
>BORIS: "The margin of victory was not overwhelming"
Talk like this never made any sense to me. Part of accepting democracy or any democratic process is accepting the ludicrous idea that 51 people should be able to tell 49 other people what to do. That's built into the bedrock of the concept. If you can't accept that, then you can't accept the democratic process, especially pure versions of it like an up-or-down referendum. It's like ordering a raisin muffin and then yelling at the waitress because it has raisins in it.
>>78855678
Haven't been on /pol/ in months, but it seems Canada is just as cucked as ever.
>>78856630
Republic's aren't democracies. There's a reason why this vote has no legally binding authority.
>>78877626
Plz nuke us.
Anon...
http://news.sky.com/story/1717965/boris-sets-out-vision-for-britain-after-brexit
>>78854350
Quick the left said the truth about our greatest failures in a catchy meme image. Edit it now! And make it look like we did it first. Except. About them. Of course. Oops ya fucken failed. Like you fail at everything
>>78877390
>>78877892
That seem reasonable. The thing with populists is that they have great ideas but cannot actually put them into words. Boris Johnson and Donald Trump seem similar in that way and I hope that their good ideas can be followed through and elaborated on to show that they can work.
Boris is right. Leaving the EU does not mean isolationism and embargo, It just means not subjecting to their unappealing style of governance and law.
If the President of the U.S. is elected by only 4%, can we have a do over? What about any election in the West? We just do elections over and over until the aristocracy wins?
Authoritarianism has dropped the facade. There is now only one option.
>>78864766
christ you faggots actually believe this
no wonder blighty is in such disarray
>>78855027
Then get a new tory leader and immediately call an election then.
Wake up white man. The writing is on the wall. We have crossed the Rubicon in the U.S. already and it will end in blood. It doesnt have to be a blood bath in Europe. We are dooming future generations to clean up the mess if we dont stop this now.
>>78855802
Murdoch is an asshole, but I didn't think ((())) applied there.
Keep doing g referendums untul I win, k? Thanx
>>78878807
Oh, but this is precisely how EU operates.
They will force some election on a country, and if the population votes against whatever they are trying to push, they'll just issue the same vote 3 weeks later
>>78855027
we ought to round up every remain voter and muslim, try them for treason then hang, draw and quater the fucking lot of 'em publicly
but at the very least deport as many as we can and strip them of any rights that have been given to them.
>>78861863
in nitric acid
>>78855678
>people voted because they didn't know the outcome of leave
>margin of error has only occurred on the single side: leave. meaning they won because I say so
what's to say remain wasn't completely bias. people who aren't native british had a chance to vote, people who weren't even born in the fucking country could vote, they don't know whatold britain was like, why do they get to decide what the natives have to go through?
if you only had native british voting I guarantee you 100 fucking % that it would be an overwhelming majority voting to leave.
>>78861806
surely more important to demand camoran invokes article 51 within the next week, before he reisgns, fucking slimey faggot
>BORIS: "I Googled EU only after I voted"
>>78863068
why? why isn't a simple majority good enough for both?
>>78865231
the majority rule is fair to both sides, I bet they wouldn't be complaining if they had won
>>78863068
In a real democracy. The winning percentage should be more than 50% of people not 50% of the voters.
The way voting works today is just a "fuck you, I'm ruling you anyway you like it or you not".
>>78881260
More than 50% of the people voted, so put your forehead back on the floor, Muhammad. Let the grown-ups talk.
>>78881410
More than 50% of 51.9% is more than 25.95%
>>78871285
hilarious, YOU VOTED FOR INDEPENDENCE AND WE DON'T LIKE IT SO WE'RE GONNA VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE!!
so which is it scuckland? is independence bad, or good?
>>78881410
>>78881589
My sides. An American schooling a bong...
>>78855678
Weedman didn't even win a majority in the Canadian election
>>78881589
Stop trying to move the goalposts, you babies.
That is a high voter turnout, and an unprecedented turnout in any British vote since 1992's General Election. This vote has more legitimacy than many before it.
>>78881260
What the fuck does Morocco know about voting?
If the fucking retards don't show up to the polls that's their own god damn fault.
>>78854350
>"The margin of victory was not overwhelming"
Imagine if they started scoring football games that way.
Handegg or soccer? It doesnt matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCghi2rVaWY
Incase anyone think OP is exaggerating: The tories are absolute traitor filth that must be removed or there will be no reduction in immigration.
Yes well done Leave campaign, well done.
HOWEVER
>>78882002
>If the fucking retards don't show up to the polls that's their own god damn fault
Or they don't like the system over all.
You can say "that's their own god damn fault" and rule the country anyway and this is what happening in most of the world. But this doesn't give the legitimately to be the ruler. Since in reality just like 15% wanted you to rule.
There's a reason why this happens and it's the fact that politicians give you only the options they want.
In American as an example it is:
>Do you want (((us))) to rule or (((us)))
>What the fuck does Morocco know about voting?
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