coming if EU doesn't fundamentally reform within 1 year.
http://derstandard.at/2000039837763/Hofer-will-Referendum-wenn-sich-EU-falsch-entwickelt
It is also likely that the Austrian constitutional court will void the presidential elections within the next 14 days amid huge postal voting election fraud across the country. new presidential elections in October are likely.
>>78790709
I love it.
>>78790709
Based Hofer strikes again
>>78790709
This better be happening.
HEIL HOFER. KEK WILLS IT
>>78790709
VdB will win if a reelection is actually gonna happen. Hofer missed his window of opportunity, sadly.
>>78790709
>election fraud
Have they posted proof of this?
>>78791792
There were a lot of small mistakes concerning just enough votes that it might be enough for a reelection. As far as I know though there is no evidence of deliberate fraud, just a lot of small voting protocol violations.
Is this the beginning of good things to come?
>>78792073
>just a lot of small voting protocol violations.
You know what? There was also no documented election fraud in 1938 during the Anschluss referendum. Does this mean the 99% for Hitler were alright then?
>>78790709
Let this be true.
Europe must not enter, now is the time for Europe to exit.
>>78792073
Just a few votes falling under the table here and there. Whoopsy!
>>78791792
There doesn't need to be fraud. The possibility of there being fraud because legal proceedings weren't abided too is enough to trigger a revote.
>>78792727
>There doesn't need to be fraud. The possibility of there being fraud because legal proceedings weren't abided too is enough to trigger a revote.
And there will be a revote.
And I actually think Hofer has a chance. VdB is an asstard, and people will this time come out in force for Hofer.
>>78792915
Don't think Hofer will do it, hope I'm wrong though.
With a full summer of """syrians"""" pouring in and our chancellor showing what a fuckup he is Hofer might just do it perhaps.
>>78793151
Do what? Run?
Are you seriously suggesting Hofer would just say "I don't want to be president any more, vote VdB"???
AUSTRIA
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>>78793236
Win, silly.
ÖSTERREICH JA
>>78793151
>Implying he won't give syrians the right to vote
>And import 1+ millions so he wins
>>78790709
>It is also likely that the Austrian constitutional court will void the presidential elections within the next 14 days amid huge postal voting election fraud across the country. new presidential elections in October are likely.
Fucking called it
>>78793728
By the way, with Brexit happened and the elections being rerun with a hopeful Hofer win, does anyone have that >Hofer will not win >Brexit will not happen >Hillary will win copypasta posted by Germans?
>>78790709
Better 100% keep the anti-fass out of it Hofer!
AEIOU
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So, will it be an "Austritt" ?
Get it? Austria? Austreten? Hähä.
>>78792344
Why did you Godwin the thread like 10 posts in?
And what are you even trying to say? That VdB marched into Austria with an army, incarcerated several hundred thousand members of the opposition, printed slanted ballots, had 100% of media behind him and forced most of voters to cast their vote openly or face harsh consequences? That's some pretty interesting stuff you must be smoking...
>>78790709
So what? He doesn't have a political majory behind this idea. And even if he had become president - he wouldn't have the power to force a referendum. That's basically just him day dreaming.
>>78791792
>>78792724
No evidence as of yet
>>78792727
That's the key question and we'll see about that. I honestly don't know. There seems to be strong evidence that a lot of counts happened too early or without oversight. That you count too early doesn't automatically mean the count is wrong. So I can see it go both ways. Either the VfGH has enough of the incompetence and just calls a reelection to make it bulletproof. Or he'll say that there was horrible incompentence but no evidence the result was affected. You still need both - some kind of illegal activity *and* an impact on the result. Anyway, I'd be happy with both, I trust the constitutional court.
>>78794543
>And what are you even trying to say?
free elections means you follow election rules. If you do not follow the rules, the elections are invalid, even if there was no actual fraud.
>>78794543
>>78790709
awww yea
>>78790709
>It is also likely that the Austrian constitutional court will void the presidential elections within the next 14 days amid huge postal voting election fraud across the country. new presidential elections in October are likely.
This can't be true
>>78790709
them, france, poland, italy and czeh leave, germany would be surrounded.
:D
>>78794543
>That's basically just him day dreaming
Not sure, maybe he is allready implying a blue majority in 2018 or earlier.
I dont see Kern surviving the next flood, especially if sucking Merkels toes.
>>78794699
Your view has a certain charm, but it's unrealistic. If you do a perfect and supervised count, but you start 10 minutes eary - yeah, it's unlawful, but it shouldn't invalidate the election. Not saying what happened wasn't more serious (it definitely was in some cases), I'm just picking a clear example of what your position seems to be.
I still don't get the parallel with the Anschluss though. Since they were in power, they could create any rule and any law they wanted. So clearly just "following the rules" cannot possibly be the only standard. Since the Nazis were already in power, the Anschluss referendum probably was according to all their rules...
>>78794967
>This can't be true
http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/unfassbare-schlamperei-bei-bundespraesidenten-wahl-gravierende-wahlfehler-in-oesterreich-waere-jetzt-neuwahl-wuerde-hofer-gewinnen_id_5663582.html
read then
i voted hofer but i am not going to vote for austria to exit eu.
im a student thats about to graduate and i will seriously fuck my chances up for myself if we exit this shit
im positive we wont exit anyway, hofer didnt even get to become president
>>78795271
Valid point, but the Blues didn't even get a majority in a vote amidst the hight of the refugee crisis where their only opposition was an arch-Green dodderer. I don't see them getting an absolute majority anytime soon. And if they're thinking about getting into government on a coalition ticket - none of the other parties are EU-sceptical. You think a new Black/Blue will kick us out of the EU? Fucking ÖVP voting *against* the EU? You've gotta be pretty deranged if you expect that to happen...
They'll do another EU Austritt Volksbegehren and like the previous ones, it'll go into a drawer and nobody will care. There will not be a referendum in Austria. Not in the next 10 years.
>>78795293
>, the Anschluss referendum probably was according to all their rules...
Historians say that there was no signs of actual fraud (in the sense that ballots were not counted or wrongly counted) back in 1938. But the reason they got to 99% for Anschluss was pretty much that the election was not secret. You could also call that a "minor detail" if you say that not following protocols which ensure the secrecy of the postal votes is just some small error that doesn't change anything.
>>78795202
Poland will never leave the EU until it comes crashing down.
>>78795611
>i voted hofer but i am not going to vote for austria to exit eu.
I am Austrian too and I would also not vote out... unless I get a German passport first.
>>78795362
>Majority Hofer
Can confirme.
Currently doing f2f datamining for the EU and of around 200 people I interviewed 56 will vote FPÖ, 90 ÖVP, where there are people who I see they like to say FPÖ but fear social repression; then 20 SPÖ and 15 Green, the rest refused to answer or some crazy stuff like a women who like to have a party consisting of every party.
>>78795737
>comparing counting the votes ten minutes early to making your cross under the eyes of Nazi officials who might deport you to a labor camp
>>78795362
How is this acceptable?
Why didn't heads roll yet? What the fuck Austria
>>78795823
Good goy
AustriTT now
>>78795949
>Good Goy
>Pecunia non olet
And they really pay good Shekel for a side job.
BTW, you cant imagine the red pilling potential and actually being able to fix polls from the bottom up ;^)
>>78795920
>Why didn't heads roll yet?
The attorney general's office is investigating and a few majors and officials are already being charged for election fraud.
http://diepresse.com/home/politik/innenpolitik/5034689/Strafverfahren-gegen-Villacher-Burgermeister
>void the presidential elections
What is the chance of this actually happening?
>>78795910
>>comparing counting the votes ten minutes early to making your cross under the eyes of Nazi officials who might deport you to a labor camp
It is not the early count which is worrying. it is the count by public servants in a room alone while the actual election officials were shut out, it is the exclusions of ballots without following protocols, it is the reviewing of signatures on ballots alongside the opening of ballots etc.
Not even the Nazis violated voting procedures as bad as this way.
>>78795823
>90/200 for ÖVP
>45% for ÖVP
You must be seriously doing something wrong. ÖVP is a dying party, barely clinging on to any relevance. Check your study design. You're not getting representative numbers.
>>78795611
Classic "educated" people. Putting their selfish needs and shekel grabbing over the cause of the Vaterland.
>>78796388
>What is the chance of this actually happening?
It is about 50-50 according to various experts, other experts say it is pretty much already certain that the constitutional courts will void the results.
Personally I say it is more likely than not that there will be a new election in October. The Austrian constitutional court has always been very cautious in decisions. They do not act politically, i.e. if there is a possibility under the law that this could have affected the results (just theoretically) they will void the results.
>>78796388
Only 14 people know the actual odds. The rest of us is just guessing. 50/50 from my perspective.
>>78796466
>Not even the Nazis violated voting procedures as bad as this way.
...
>>78796475
I always tell people I vote ÖVP, while I actually vote FPÖ.
>>78796475
People like Kurz for some reason.
>>78795686
>And if they're thinking about getting into government on a coalition ticket
Sure, there is currently no way getting a real single party majority. Iam thinking more about a dominant blue, instead of dominant blacks.
Lets hope 15% SPÖ wnat try to play sweden with greens and neos.
>Expecting *any* party to want to of the train
No, Iam with you that a Volksbegehren would be just some propaganda mobilising more people getting on the nationalist bandwaggon, but they need a to be in charge to get that rolling.
>>78796591
It'z why they need removing. Somehow with them going to a (((university))) elevates them above the common man.
Defending the Fatherland is an honour, fuck these faggots.
>Austria
>landlocked
Even easier to fuck them over than the UK. Of course, the mountain jews would have to experience the drawbacks of being landlocked too.
>>78796753
Sickeningly true.
>>78796475
>Not representing numbers
First Iam not the only one doing this and yes, I have a certain respondent cercle.
Second this >>78796672
And regarding especially this question, you see how people are really thinking. Nothing like, they have their party they vote everytime.
And yes the study designe is trade school tier, its from Brussel.
>>78790709
australia isn't even in europe why is it in the eu?
>>78794275
Not sure about Austria, but I hope they dont all pick names like brexit. Czechout is definitely what I want Czechoslovakia to have. I saw someone suggest Italeave, loved that too.
>>78790709
>PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
Austria cannot leave the EU, since we dont have an exit-clause like UK, Poland and Denmark.
All this anti-EU talk is a waste of time, since it cannot happen.
>END OF PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
>>78797214
Nederuit would be nice for the Netherlands.
>>78790709
Fuck yeah.
>>78797287
Du wirst dich noch wundern was alles gehen wird.
>>78797287
>since we dont have an exit-clause like UK,
What is Article 50 of the EU-Treaty?
Are you like stupid or something?
>>78797320
that`s better than Neverleave
>>78797361
Sei bitte nicht so naive.
Wir können nicht aus der EU raus.
>>78797361
this
>>78794543
>had 100% of media behind him
well, he did have that one
>>78797480
>Wir können nicht aus der EU raus.
Have you not heard what Angela said? "Wir schaffen das!"
>>78797416
That doesnt mean that they will allow anyone to leave. Triggering a mass EU-exit would collapse our continent into economic disaster.
Brussels will never allow it.
>dummer Bauer glaubt er hat Ahnung von irgendwas
>>78797580
That cunt is your problem, not ours. We have other fish to fry.
>>78797287
>All this anti-EU talk is a waste of time, since it cannot happen.
Don't be so negative, just imagine how damaging it would be for the EU to stop a member that wants to leave from leaving because a clause is missing that should be in the foundation of the union.
>>78797198
Proud graduate of Burger U
>>78797647
>dummer Bauer
Der dreckige Wiener offenbart sein Gesicht. Einpacken, Leute.
>>78790709
Austria, you better wreck the EU
>>78797714
Listen to yourself.
The best thing we can achieve is to THREATEN with EU-exit and force some change within the EU.
Leaving the EU is idiotic.
>ALOT OF IMMIGRANTS
>LETS GET RID OF OPEN BORDERS AND DESTROY OUR TOURISM AND FREE TRADE
Smart.
>>78797647
>That doesnt mean that they will allow anyone to leave.
haha, are you for real?
>>78797647
Just because your professor in womyn studies thaught you that the EU has always existed and your economy will collapse if you don't accept at least a million of third world people per years it doesn't have to be true.
>>78797789
Stop projecting.
>>78797339
>>78797850
>he doesnt know how Euro politics work
>>78797872
>One sentence
>One strawman
>One ad hominem
>One false dilemma
Wew lad.
You might wanna read the sticky. Your logical fallacy levels are off the charts.
>>78792073
speaking of your fradulent election, what is happening with that? What's the status?
sounds good. basedest of all the mememen.
>>78797841
>tourists will be deterred if somebody looks at their passport for 10 seconds when they come over the border
This is what Viennaese students unironically believe in.
>>78797339
I like to think communists and natsocs will get along in the future, if temporarily. We have bigger enemies who differ more ideologically,
Both hate sjw's, and both now have subhumans representing us.
>>78798055
>speaking of your fradulent election, what is happening with that? What's the status?
read above. Elections will be held invalid in the next 14 days and then have to be redone in October.
>>78798071
he even met the Hoff
>>78798074
>tourists will be deterred if somebody looks at their passport for 10 seconds when they come over the border
>hes so plebby hes never heard of the train
>hes so uncultured hes never had the privilege of doing the Eurorail
>hes so pathetic he doesnt understand what it means to rehire tens of thousands of border guards and the resulting traffic for trade
Bitte hör auf mein Kind.
>>78796753
There a high probability you're just trolling or shitposting (this is /pol/ after all), but I think the point warrants debate, so here we go.
I have the following Austrian degrees: A master of law, a bachelor of Business and an unfished bachelor of Philosophy (more for personal growth than employment).
I don't think I'm above common people without university education and I'm certainly not providing anything more useful to society (the hardworking garbagemen who take my waste each week are probably more useful than what I'm doing). But having a university education and several degrees centered around language and arguments *did* make me way more sensible against bullshit and propaganda. You either need to be born with a brilliant talent of spotting liars or you need some sort of high-level education to see through bastards trying to manipulate you, be it media, politicians or just people you interact with daily. Language is a tool, ideas are just tools, all for manipulating people. A higher education gets you used to these tools. Take your post for example. Why are you pulling out Nationalism? And why should it get me to do anything when it's just a concept power-hungry people made up 150 years ago? And honour? Seriously? You're trying to emotionally manipulate me by pulling the honour card on me? Come on... And really, can you rationalise your standards? It's probably just something other influential people in your life have imbued in you, nothing you came up with yourself.
My fields of study are traditionally very conservative (especially law and business), but I'm more of a liberal, probably more left-leaning than right-leaning. But when it comes to propaganda, both are equally bad. Far-right *and* far-left fanatics and demagogues are really on the rise and it saddens me. Can't we have a rational debare about issues without any propaganda and manipulation? :-/
>>78797647
We were fucked anyway thanks to Merkel, unless you want more "Syrians", vote leave.
You know you're getting even more now the UK is leaving, a higher quota. You better hope Canada is cucked enough to take more away from Europe.
>>78790709
Kek has given us another chance to save Austria.
>>78798213
>Bitte hör auf mein Kind.
>implying a beta numale student faggot could have children
>>78797988
Needs the furfag nazis, and facial tattoos.
>>78790709
Are they really finding fraud?
If they are that's bigger than Brexit for smashing the EU, documentary evidence of the Eurocucks killing national elections will crash the plane with no survivors guaranteed.
>>78797214
my favourite has been slovakuate
>>78797789
>Impliziert dass Graz, Klagenfurt, Salzburg, Insbruck und Bregenz nicht auch versiffte grüne pseudo intellektuelle Hochburgen sind.
Top Keks
You're welcome.
>>78790709
Holy fuck!
You better thank us, Austria.
This would't happen if it weren't for us.
The globalists are going extinct.
>>78798275
>I have the following Austrian degrees
(list of more than one)
So you never seen the world outside of your sheltered university walls. Opinion disregarded.
Will the Auxit happen before Vorarlberg splits off and joins Switzerland?
>>78790709
>Hofer
Good goys, break your nations into hundreds of small disorganized pieces and let exterior forces run a train on you.
Freedom for Siberia. Freedom for Belarus. Freedom for Tatarstan. Praise kek.
>>78798582
>>78798602
>leaving so hard we leave twice
>>78798582
>>78798602
Well, it's... accurate, I guess
>>78793665
You have to be 18 or older to post here.
>>78798680
What is NATO?
>>78798701
crashing this place twice with NO SURVIVORS
>>78798275
>Look at my fancy toilet paper
Fame Fag Fuck Off
To think all of this could have been avoided if Bruxxelles just said
>Ok everyone chip some money in and build a damn wall in greece spain and italy
>>78797647
>Brussels will never allow it.
and you wonder why people call this shitstain of a union undemocratic garbage. "Brussels will never allow it" when talking about a fucking country really just shows how arrogant and insane you all are.
>>78798603
He msy have, he just doesnt care about his countrymen and children being raped by the EU's lates failed experiment. Just as long as he isnt mildly inconvenienced.
>>78797361
>Osterreich nicht habe eine sprache das ist nicht Deutsche
git gud Franz
>>78798762
How is NATO working out for UK's territorial integrity right now?
You can do it aussies! Spideynige believes in you!
I remember some Austrians were sad because the FPÖ candidate lost and I told you that good things were coming for your people. See now?
>>78798617
>Will the Auxit happen before Vorarlberg splits off and joins Switzerland?
Hopefully. We really hate those Xiberg motherfuckers. I hope they leave sooner rather than later from the great imperial Austria.
der Kurs stimmt !
>>78798275
>A master of law, a bachelor of Business and an unfished bachelor of Philosophy (more for personal growth than employment).
you're being a show-off and you don't need more than one. sadly it's not just a mere stereotype that this country cares too much about all these fucking dumb degrees.I'm more of a fan of explorative learning rather than sitting through 3 years of bullshit which doesn't even qualify the skillset I'm using because I could do it without the degree as well. it's really just the gateway into a more well-paid job and even that is fucking dubious as all hell.
>>78798799
Yep, I voted leave but you know the funny thing?
I like the idea of a pan European power. Brussels is just the wrong one. Maybe we should just trade, stick to NATO and call it quits.
>>78795611
Leave austria, you are literally braindead if you support EU because you do not want to risk "rejection", your gender study degree gets rejected anyway, now gtfo
if enough countries threaten it we can force juncker and schulz to resign and maybe change the EU.
>>78799169
They probably have puppets ready. They wont change.
>>78799023
>it's really just the gateway into a more well-paid job
If you have an inbred uncle who vouches for you, or after licking boots and getting ass fucked for 20 years before you can ass fuck other donkeys in a gold plated erker room.
>>78798835
It's a quote from when Hofer lost his cool and revealed his power level to the media.
>>78799169
EU = EUSSR under SJW / Elite control, you are a bluepill faggot
>>78797841
I'm more worried about tourists not coming because of the Paris syndrome than them not coming because they have to get a visa like we do when we travel to a place that's outside the EU (you know, like tha major tourist destinations).
>>78797880
How am I projecting? I'm not from Vienna. I don't look down on farmers, like you do.
Is this going to be another leftist suffering from Dunnin-Kruger episode?
>>78799169
>Implying getting rid of Flunker and Schultz will change anything.
austrians who support EU are no austrians
>>78798603
That's only like 5 years of my life. I've got shit to do, I went to university to study, not to party and participate in pointless rallys...
I did my 9 months at the courts and I've been running the family business for 8 years now. I've seen my fair share of the world and the people of Europe.
>>78799023
I completely agree, it has it's uses. Lawyers *really* like it if their employees not only know tax law, but also how to do accounting and read balances. It's not necessary, but then again, what is? It's great signalling though. Here are my professional interests and this is how much of a hard worker I am, since I did them in parallel. The degree itself is worthless, I agree. Most of the knowledge become useless 5 years after leaving university anyway. It's really just signalling to future employers and "learning how to learn". Maybe you have a point and it's even just circlejerking to a certain extent.
>>78798769
>Can't we just have a rational debate
Apparently not :-) Does it hurt much, to have your precious feelings and view of the world challenged?
>>78790709
Fire rises
>>78798055
still under investigations but there are a lot of mistakes because of pure laziness.. i am not even kidding.
>>78799834
>pure laziness
>Austrians
Gonna have to call bullshit on that one.
>>78799327
Ist Hofer ein dumm man?
Sounds incoherent, senpai.
>>78790709
How many more years do you give the EU, lads?
>>78798053
Leave austria and help Merkel in germanistan cuck
So the next Austrian re-election is in 2 weeks?
If so we need to ramp up the memes and you NEET fucks that didn't vote last time better get your asses down to the voting booth
>>78799645
The times for rational debates were over the second we were threatened with irreparable damage to our being.
It's disturbing seeing so many people supporting this trend that makes violent conflict inevitable. It's even more disturbing that these are mostly well educated people who should know better.
>>78790709
YESSS
>>78799984
Germany has developed such a massive fetish for being fucked in the ass they will always remain paying, even if the EU only consists of Germany, Spain and Turkey at some point.
>>78799984
I like to say 8 year, but I fear it will last for 17 years before it is completely dead.
>>78790709
Holy shit. Are they really going to void it? I thought FPÖ had given up on a revote.
>>78800211
butthurt memes by green / leftists, democracy is only accepted if the majority votes in their favor, see brexit
>>78800132
and Scotland
>>78790709
What have those glorious Brits unleashed?
>>78798557
Please post other side of box, so we can see more keks.
>>78792344
The Austrians tried to join Germany again in 1954.
Its not like Grossdeutschland was an unpopular idea at the time.
Vienna should get a German flag on /pol/, elsewhere people get confused.
>>78799645
>Not getting the tits or gtfo meme.
Much new friend?
>>78800401
http://i.imgur.com/SLY0wkA.gif
>>78800072
>threatened with irreparable damage to our being
I might be missing the reference, but what are you talking about? "Irreparable" sounds incredibly serious...
>It's disturbing seeing so many people supporting this trend that makes violent conflict inevitable.
Well, I'd like to think we've moved on from that, into democracies. There is a time and place for violence. If a tyrant took over and abolished further elections or if people were imposing crazy religious laws - I'd support an uprising, definitely. But we're nowhere near that. Especially not anywhere in Europe. I've seen no indication that democracy doesn't work. It often produces results I don't like, but it still seems to reflect the majority opinion of the people. Take Brexit - they voted against the EU, now they're leaving. This is how we resolve conflicts - with arguments and votes, not with arms and murder.
>>78800401
Freedom.
We most likely won't leave, the entire country is way too left, too many VdB Shills and with the Cuck King Kern now as Chancellor, we won't leave anytime soon.
First we need to get rid off Kern, then anything EU related can even happen.
>>78800582
More like a rainbow flag.
>>78798212
The Hof meeting the Hoff.
meme magic is getting out of hand
>>78800718
>More like a rainbow flag.
>>78800583
>calling me a "fame fag"
>asking for "tits"
Aaah, newfriend, you seem to be into "traps" I gather? You seem to be on the wrong board. Let me direct you to >>>/gif/ or >>>/lgbt/ , they're all over fags with tits I hear...
>>78800718
Just saying as Vienna mostly consists of Germans and tanned Germans these days.
>>78800347
Good thing democracy won't be a thing in the not too distant future, one way or the other.
>>78800668
>This is how we resolve conflicts - with arguments and votes, not with arms and murder.
Until we don't, you idealistic dolt.
>Austria votes to leave
>Merkel goes ANSCHLUSS
>>78800814
Seriously though, Kern should be shot. I take 100 years of Faymann over Trudeau 2.0
Austria la vista, EU.
>>78801088
Learning from the master
>>78790709
The Far Right RISES
>>78800373
pls no
>>78797214
AdiEU has to be the best so far.
>>78797320
Byegium hier, lol.
>>78801014
>Until we don't, you idealistic dolt.
Oh, I'm certainly idealistic, I'll give you that. But you were implying this time has already come, while I think we're nowhere near it.
I'm having a hard time placing you. Are you one of those "Race war now!" nutters? What is this thread you're speaking of that means we should be taking up arms *right now*?
Wir sind AUStria
>>78799645
Stop being such a liberal pussy and support your fucking country and people, instead of the EU and its fikki fikki hordes.
Wir müssen hir sterben oder siegen.
>>78800980
>Trys to legitimate his opinion by getting fancy toilet paper in the ivory tower.
>Claims language is his speciality
>dont sees the relation between fame fag and the titsgtfo meme
>refrains to not even sneaky ad hominem
>pic related
>>78797841
You're literally retarded. Do you need a visa to be a tourist in Norway or USA?
>>78790709
Auxit now!
We lived much better in Austria before the EU (and my parents were immigrants).
>>78799913
>Ist Hofer ein dumm man?
jah
>>78801088
Oh, he was too? Are there embarassing pictures, like this one, depicting our current Minister of Health and Women on the left?
>>78790709
Please be real.
And please be happening. Right now the chances for hofer getting elected are probably higher again.
>Germanic thread
>everyone is speaking English
That cultural domination.
>>78801465
Ahead of the vote, EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker warned "there will be no debate or dialogue with the far-right".
>>78801739
Der Englishman hast es recht. Jetzt allen im Deutsch reden. Die angelsaksische jüde versteht uns.
EU falling apart is bad, how the fuck do you think split, small countries will be able to economiically compete with giants like the USA or China in the future?
EU needs a reform, but a unified Europe is a good thing.
>>78801088
>>78801647
Who cares about those fags?
For all I care Kern could suck as many cocks as we wants as long as he would finally stop Merkel's rapefugee madness.
>>78801549
>fame fag meme
Dude, I don't have the time to follow all your memes. You can ask me about memes up to 2010 (efg, WRYYY - that sort of stuff is my jam), but then shit got serious for me. No more weekly time on 4chan.
Regarding your image: Oooh, right, that bullshit. I've never gotten what's funny about that retcon. Maybe the fact that it's bullshit made up after the fact? But people seem to play it straight constantly, implying this was actually how the meme was meant in the early days...
>>78802204
The same way a small river delta colonized Indonesia and dominates in the petrochemical industry: strength of will, intitiative and ambition.
We didnt need an EU to colonize the East, and we dont need one to be prosperous now.
>>78801919
Alright. That makes Juncker an idiot (so nothing new really), but since he can't really decide anything on his own, I'd chalk that up as rather harmless. That the leader of the COM is not a model democrat should come as no suprise, given his institution.
Get back to me, when an actually democratic institution starts going against their mandate by the people.
>>78802204
> USA in the future
>>78790709
>It is also likely that the Austrian constitutional court will void the presidential elections within the next 14 days amid huge postal voting election fraud across the country. new presidential elections in October are likely.
Source, I need to trigger my friend from Belgium.
>>78795611
your country is more important than you, cunt
>>78798275
Magister Magister Magister Magister Student Grant
>>78802204
Austria is Europes 4th richest country as far as i know. Lots of our imports and exports come from the US or China, (still, Germany is Nr. 1 with both for us).
The problems would be switching currency, making new deals and so on and so fourth.
>>78802207
If only Kern wouldn't be a massive EU shill like VdB and loving Merkel immensly. They especially picked Kern to accompany VdB precisly, they are both way too similiar.
If no one stops him, Kern will go full on Refugees Welcome and we will have the problems all over again.
>>78802339
I am sorry but the parameters have changed completely. Do not bring up history, those times are over and have nothing do with the modern economy.
You cannot compete against an automated industry, massive centers of knowledge and corporate think tanks by being small. You simply lack the human resources necessary to be innovative. Just look at the EU today, compared to the US there's hardly any innovation. You think this will be better when everyone is left to fend for themselves?
Sorry, the time of (small) nations is coming to an end and everyone not smart enough to form a larger tribe will be left in the dust.
>>78802973
Austria has old wealth, but it is not a global player
>>78797647
t. Haus der Europäischen Union intern
>>78797841
>LETS GET RID OF OPEN BORDERS AND DESTROY OUR TOURISM AND FREE TRADE
#1 last time I went north I had to show my ID and state the purpose of my visit to Austrian police, so much for open borders
#2 I had no problems going skiing as a tourist before Austria even became a member of EU (pre-1995); I did have to take my passport to cross the border
#3 so-called free trade is anything but, any and all agreements cater to the industry lobbyists in order to protect their interests; one could argue that abscence of any agreements is real free trade
>>78802973
Doskozil is now working together Kurz though, so maybe he doesn't have a say in terms of refugees.
>>78797841
You stupid fucking idiot. You live in Vienna, right, how many hundred if not thousands of students there are from Iran, Russia, Turkey usw usf. Not forgetting the tourists.
>>78801465
>What is this thread you're speaking of that means we should be taking up arms *right now*?
Democracy with a self-hating, gullible, snobbish, stupid "demos" and a foreign demos that wants to take advantage and is given the means to.
That's why your ideal of the democratic end-goal (which reminded me a bit of the marxists who claim that communism is inevitable) is so laughable. It only works within certain perimeters and once those perimeters are gone, they stop working. Clinging to it when the perimeters are gone is naive. Supporting the institutions that broke down those perimeters is stupid.
We're living in a split society, with nationalists and traditionalists on one end and globalist progressives on the other. This can't work in a democracy. There's too much time and money and energy wasted on resolving that conflict that you can't use it for stuff that matters.
There's only one thing that's inevitable. It's not democracy. It's not communism.
It's conflict. And while conflict isn't inherently bad, it is bad when it's about such petty nonsense. We could push ourselves to the stars with healthy competition, but that's not what we're currently witnessing, is it?
I think you agree on that, I got the same sentiment from your post here: >>78798275
The thing is, when there's such a schism one group will come to the conclusion that getting rid of the other group is what has to be done.
You're asking me, "why right now"? The answer to that is because I thinks it's better to have a head start. It might shorten the conflict and save lives and the resources we could and should use otherwise.
Damn I love Australia
>>78803134
Our country today is a leader of the petrochemical industry. Our country has a dominant marketshare in the market for machines that build microchips. Our country today is the second largest exporter of agricultural products in the world, despite its small size.
Innovation, ambition, and perseverance can and WILL be rewarded, especially in this globalized economy. We had all these things before the intense EU integration started with the Maastricht treaty. We could have all of these things, and more, with just the EFTA. We DON'T NEED the EU.
>>78803134
>modern economy
> human resources
You're completely out of touch. Industry 4.0 will kill 40% of jobs within 20 years.
>>78803134
Only thing missing in this post is "It's 2016 ffs!".
>>78802204
You don't seem to get it. You're still trying to argue with people, who'd vote "out" in case of an EU referendum, based on economic advantages of the EU. If anything, brexit has shown this is not the main point of concern for people like that. The SPÖ is trying to do the same just now and they're going to fail miserably by doing that. I think the offensive against those drug dealers is a good example of what people are fed up with: Decisions that ultimately change nothing. The problem simply got moved to a different district. I can't tell you every single concern of those people exactly but what I can tell you is: Economy alone is the wrong approach.
Regarding reforming the EU: People look back and see it as literally impossible to reform the current EU the way they see fit. That's why people like Strache can demand "Vote out, but only if reforms don't work".
>>78802973
>Austria is Europes 4th richest country
No, that would be us.
>>78803134
You can be small by specializing. Hong Kong and Singapore do just fine, and they do that by specializing in finance and in logistics respectivelly. Switzerland does this too. So can the Netherlands, focusing on our port.
As for Austria... I dont know what you could focus on and specialize in. Exporting radical nationalist ideas, like you used to do, perhaps? Mining gold? Find a niche, fill it.
A lot of economists predict the future of the economy will be centered around cities, not countries. So whether your country is big or small is not very relevant for a specialised economy.
>>78803425
All these things were possible because you could work together with other scientists internationally, you didn't invent all that on your own.
>>78803441
That's exactly my point. The only edge in that world you can have is knowledge, it will be a knowledge economy.
To further knowledge you need cooperation.
>>78803508
Just because I can see the writings on the wall doesn't mean that I am a SJW. EU needs to close its borders and remove braindead shitskins, Europe however needs to work together to still be relevant in 20-50 years.
>>78799911
one too many spritzers perhaps
>>78791778
Yeah, this.
However, if KEK wills it, there will be a major, 9/11 level islamic happening before the reelection.
Then, and only then, does based Norbert "schlitz den Kanak auf vom Kinn bis zum Sack" Hofer stand a chance.
>>78803934
>Norbert "schlitz den Kanak auf vom Kinn bis zum Sack" Hofer
>>78803813
Cooperation happens between USA and UK and Japan a lot. They don't need to merge into one single superstate for that. We need depopulation if anything. Human resources are rapidy becoming worthless with automation, natural resources are becoming scarce with overproduction.
>>78803813
>To further knowledge you need cooperation
you don't believe in voluntary association between foreign entities to reach a result that is in common interest promising future profits? e.g. my company cooperating with a chinese complementary company in order to make something new, something that both of us couldn't on our own
do you believe that """scientific research""" is possible only through redistribution of wealth from the productive population into some state-sponsored universities, research institutes and the like? using a supranational third party?
>>78803813
You for some reason think we need the EU to work together.
The way things are, and the way things are going, it'd be easier to destroy the EU and make something from scratch that doesn't inevitably devolve into kikes and oligarchs playing their bullshit game.
>>78803813
Nonsense, these economical sectors gained their prominence before the Schengen treaty was implemented, and before Brussels started legislating like a madman. It's not like Brussels invests in innovation either, almost the entire budget goes to fucking agricultural subsidies for countries like France and Italy. While my own country, with the most competitive agricultural sector, gets nothing. Rather than encouraging innovation and expansion they fund the archaic, uncompetitive industries.
There was social mobility before the EU, it will be there after the EU. I don't know where you get the delusion that the EU is responsible for any of these things, but it doesn't correlate in the slightest with reality.
>>78803934
There is nothing the muslim battledroids could do to get a reaction from Europeans. A few weeks we are Charlie, then we are Paris for a few days and it had no long term effects whatsoever. Euros are complete psychopaths and care for nobody.
>>78800373
Brussels already said no.
>>78803353
Alright, I understand your position now, and (like you suspected) I pretty much agree with all your premises. You've captured the status quo quite well.
My problem is this: I'm a centrist. Maybe I'm actually part of a dying breed, but I still believe that *most* people are somewhere in the middle, the silent majority. Maybe I'm completely wrong, but I think there are just a few leftist and rightist loud-mouths and their shouting drowns out the sensible voices in the middle.
So if you are firmly on one side, I can see, why you think there's this super serious polar conflict going on and that it might be advantageous to strike first. But personally, I don't want to pick either extreme side. I don't want communism and I don't want fascism. So I just cannot support violent overthrow right now. Both currently available outcomes would be awful from my perspective. The problem is, centrist moderates don't really take up arms for their cause, being moderate and all that...
I still believe (perhaps naively, as you seem to think) that this is a conflict to be resolved democratically. What would be the other option? Wiping out opposition and suppressing critical thought? That's horrible! Not for the ones in power, but by definition for the ones not in power.
If we have a fanatical left and a fanatical right - hey, at least it's some kind of balance. It's not incredibly productive, I agree. But I have this idea, over longer times and through economic prosperity you can talk sense into people and make them moderates. But the democratic system works - both the extremes don't get their way, at least not completely. We're not talking about banning or imprisoning the losers or anything. They still have their votes and representatives and parties and everything. But the status quo is, they're in the minority and the minority should not have their way - not through elections and not through armed conflict. It sucks for them, but that's how democracy works.
>>78797647
>allow it
They gonna invade? What army?
Germany can't do shit to stop anyone who wants to leave from cutting ties
[spoiler]>>78797841
Look up EFTA, drone. There is a good alternative to EU.
>>78804568
Doesn't mean Sturgeon will let it go
#wearethe48
>>78804628
>I don't want to pick either extreme side. I don't want communism and I don't want fascism
Those are both the same side: authoritarian socialism. Its about liberty versus authoritarianism.
> I still believe that *most* people are somewhere in the middle,
Geert Wilders has 40% of the vote in NL. Hoffer scored almost 50% of the vote.
For a man who likes science and knowledge so much, you sure are willfully and deliberately blind to reality.
>wiping out the opposition
Yes. Communists, SJWs, Muslims, globalists. They all have to die.
>>78804555
>Euros are complete psychopaths and care for nobody.
I care greatly about the wellbeing and security of the members of my own ethnic group
I could give a fuck about France or Sweden or Germany but I don't; I symphatize but that's about it, I think more in terms of prevention like kicking the entire group the perps came out of to their native shitholes, I think about rearming the pepoles of Europe etc
>>78804772
they won't get shit because there are many many places in Europe that would see chunks of their countries try and do the same
>>78797214
Outstria
>>78804628
>But the democratic system works - both the extremes don't get their way, at least not completely.
What happens when the majority (and if it's just a tiny majority) elects one fanatic?
>>78805142
AUSSCHLUSS
>>78804628
>We're not talking about banning or imprisoning the losers or anything. They still have their votes and representatives and parties and everything.
Do they really? PEGIDA and the Afd might disagree, being panned as racist extremist in all media, with political blocks forming against them, to prevent them ever affecting policy.
Or how about Mr. Junckers statement "there will be no dialogue with the far right". Or how about Germany arresting people for "hate speech" tweets. Which has also happened in Scotland and NL, by the way.
Under the EU, leftist speech is protected, right wing speech is punishable. Antifa can get away with anything, from death threats to actual violence. Someone tries to curtail immigration? He's panned in the media and demonised by politicians.
>>78791778
I doubt that, if he offers Austrians a referendum on the EU, well, then he's going to win.
>>78794543
>forced most of voters to cast their vote openly or face harsh consequences?
Have you seen the speech in Vienna where thousands of people run out celebrating? Don't try to bullshit your way out of this, Austria.
>>78795773
We still need to take more money
>>78804941
I can't speak to the situation in NL, but Hofer getting 50% does not mean, 50% of Austrians are on the far-right. I know, some international media wrote that, but this is leftist bullshit. The FPÖ has a core electorate of maybe 30%, probably closer to 20 or 25. The rest is protest voters. They really are the only serious anti-establishment party in Austria, so they collect all the protest votes. This is how we got a joke party like Team Stronach into our parliament last time. In the 2013 general elections (the most recent ones) FPÖ had 20.5%, TS had 5.7%, BZÖ had 3.5% (another right-leaning joke party). Yeah, yeah, refugee crisis happend since, but still - FPÖ got 35% on the first course on the presidential election this year. That's pretty much as high as they're ever going to be and not everyone is a core supporter fully subscribing to their ideology.
>They all have to die.
I like to reverse the situation in my head. What if the other side one? Then you'd be the one wiped out. To me this means, this can't be the proper solution. When it's more or less arbitrary whether I win or get wiped out - there mus be another way to resolve this.
>>78805152
Depends on the degree of fanatic. But in general - the majority is always right. I voted VdB, but if Hofer won - he's the legitimate president, no debate about that.
>>78805278
I agree. There are severe problems that need to be addressed. But if you now take up arms - you just affirm their lies about you being a violent asshole.
>>78790709
We're not even in the EU you retard
>>78799169
The EU is an institution designed to perpetuate its founding ideals, there's no changing it
The European dream must continue
>>78790709
Holy shit it's fucking happening. Austria elections 2:electric Boogaloo, this time with salty liberal tears!
>>78804068
Glad you like it. Here, have a few more fellow Ausbro. No reason why Trump should get all the cool nicknames.
>Norbert "mit dem Baseballschläger auf den Neger" Hofer
>Norbert "Schläge mit dem Gehstock für jede Dreadlock" Hofer
>Norbert "Negerjäger" Hofer
>Norbert "Ursache für 100 vermisste Zionisten" Hofer
>>78804555
I sort of agree. A year ago, I'd have said that terror attacks in Europe simply aren't large scale enough, but Bataclan left 130 dead and changed nothing. Still, if they ramp up the frequency, I think there would be a change in mentality for many people. I'm talking suicide bombings on a monthly basis with weekly shootings and gang rapes to complement them.
>>78804628
>But I have this idea, over longer times and through economic prosperity you can talk sense into people and make them moderates.
We had that pre-2008 and it worked for a time regardless of the ever-increasing EU function creep and democratic deficit, then economy was booming but suddenly the party was over; Major parts of EU are still waiting for a change to come ever since, the people there listen of some post-2008 recovery that supposedly took place in their countries, they listen about dignity while having none, human rights of invading subhumans seeking free gibs while they aren't entitled to any, they look for employment that simply isn't there anymore or taken by some even more unfortunate fool, they stagnate for almost a decade with no upside in sight. Those used to be moderates.
Don't you get this schizophrenia between the reality and the narrative? Perhaps you know only well-off people to be able to remain so moderate.
>>78805805
>I like to reverse the situation in my head. What if the other side one? Then you'd be the one wiped out.
Well duh. That is why we have to strike first. SJWs and Antifa have made no bones about the fact that they want to kill the right wing. Which they consider to be all white men.
So think of it this way: I merely want to kill people for the bad ideas they have. Ideas that are dangerous. The people I want to kill want to kill you for who you are. And they will do so slowly, and deviously, manipulating society against you and your children. Having the courts treat you unfairly.
Me, I just give them a quick clean death.
>>78805805
>But in general - the majority is always right.
>I voted VdB
Be honest: are you advocating against violence because you know you'd be on the losing receiving end?
>>78805805
>But if you now take up arms - you just affirm their lies about you being a violent asshole.
The alternative being that I get destroyed slowly, and my country and culture with it. I dont really see how that is better than proving the EU right- they'll be dead anyway.
>>78806117
Sweden has this level of enrichment (explosives going off every week, rapant rape gangs dwarfing the horrifc betrayal in the UK), nobody cares.
>>78805916
>>>78790709 (OP)
>We're not even in the EU you retard
You sure, m8?
>>78805210
kek. I like this one.
However, OEXIT is the sensible (if bland) choice
>>78790709
>if EU doesn't fundamentally reform within 1 year.
this is what it all depends on. very reasonable of him to say that, its either reforms or the end
>>78806391
Because that's how Sweden has always been. (TM)
>>78806391
Well, MSM are completely silencing this, so the average normie probably knows nothing about this unless it happens at his doorstep. I'm on /pol/ and even I didn't know about weekly explosives in Sweden.
Can you point me to a blog or something that collects all these incidents?
>>78806624
Just google Malmö.
http://www.thelocal.se/20150725/malm-police-ask-for-help-to-stop-violence
>>78806465
>However, OEXIT is the sensible (if bland) choice
It should be OEREVOIR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaPGwvAis3U
>>78794123
The dominoes are falling
Hofer will win
Other EU countries will leave the EU
Trump will win
Germany will go full retard and try apply their version of "The Treaty of Versailles" and ask for reparations
Every muslim will be transported and dumped on German soil
Putin will absorb the countries that leave
>>78790709
please let them vote again! this is great news for a better europe
>>78798332
Dont worry. We really are!
Can a Canadian lawyer work in the UK? Mom is english so I qualify for citizenship. Also we use your common law system, shouldnt be impossible.
>>78790709
Fathers entire family goes back to greece for ages.
Moms family is dutch but was started by a greek who went to study theology in friesland at around 1400 (we have a church there) and he married a woman from friesland So my family is dutch-greek-fries and I am proud of it!
>>78806196
Well, we haven't really been talking about the EU so far. I'm very torn about that. As a Brit I would have opposed Brexit, but as an Austrian I'm totally for it. The EU is important and successful in many ways. But there's sooo much bullshit going on. Brexit will shake things up, hopefully for the better. They need to make some serious changes. Either restart as a lighter union of nation states, or pull the trigger to the United States of Europe. This inbetween shit, is the worst.
Stop with arbitrary political rules (Maastricht critera are straight-up made-up, no joke; Eurozone is economically unfeasable, with the same monetary policy for Germany and Greece; requirement of endless further integration is idiotic at this point; etc) and make some serious decisions. Don't split decisions. If we have communal monetary policy, we can't expect national fiscal policy to mesh well. Either have national currencies or have an EU Minister of Finances. Everything else is moronic.
Regarding the refugees: Wow, that's a tough one. I'm a proponent of universal human rights. So stopping asylum as an instutuion is out of the question. The trouble is separating the ones actually in need of asylum from the fraudsters. Don't accept asylum at the border anymore. Start asylum centers *in* conflict regions where they check the people and then safely ship them to Europe. Every country gets a mandatory quota. The Dublin system is completely fucking idiotic and unfeasable. It's a political compromise (like so many others) completely fucked up by the member states, who can't resolve their differences and show solidarity. Either go back to national asylum or have mandatory quotas. No inbetween shit just blocking everything.
And yes, I can imagine the situation being much different for Austrians and Slovenians. Joining late and not getting the promised benefits must suck major ass...
>>78807082
But i don't wanna see my german brothers completely invaded and destroyed by muzzies. I know they are cucks, but alot of them still have the full Guten Tag in them.
>>78806819
Kek, it literally says in the article that on average, there is one explosion per week. And here I was, thinking you were probably exaggerating.
Sweden needs to burn to the ground. Maybe then, centrists and mid-leftists will wake up.
>>78807292
And you are going to get deported for it.
From this thread anyway. You posted in the wrong thread.
>>78807463
What are the successes of the EU? Don't say economy, Austrian purchasing power has been in freefall since 2007
>>78807565
We could always annex Bavaria and welcome all white Germans.
>>78797647
And how many divisions does Brussels have?
>>78807745
Then a massive purge of leftists and a nice eugenics programm and we're set.
>>78806281
>Be honest: are you advocating against violence because you know you'd be on the losing receiving end?
In part: Yes. Not because I lack the physical capability, but because I'm too much of a pacifist. I haven't been like that forever, I've mellowed considerably in the last decade. I just don't want to be that guy anymore.
Now I also just think it's right to advocate against violence. Hobbes gave us a truthful diagnosis of human nature. It's our job to overcome it.
>>78807714
>What are the successes of the EU?
I can work in Germany in a law firm and qualify as a German lawyer. That would have been very hard before the EU.
Plus, I remember very well smuggling goods over the border before 1995.
