68% of Turkish citizens want to end accession process with EU, latest poll shows
http://www.milliyet.com.tr/ab-anketinden-cikan-sonuc-yuzde-siyaset-2268830/
>>78779840
Who fucking cares about what roaches think?
>>78779840
No more UK for them to get their gibs from?
>>78779876
I care m8
>>78779840
lol not even roaches want anything to do the EU anymore
HOW WILL MERKEL EVER RECOVER?!
>>78779876
>Posted by turkey
You guys are Muslims but you are so fucking funny shitposters like straya.
hahaha cant wait
https://youtu.be/qpvgEHzh6js
>>78779840
69$ of the TURKMENISTAN is SOLAROFYED EROPA ASCENSION ZLAV
buy SPEF 80 or become COOK like BANB
>>78779939
I have to agree with Singapore here
Also, I like that retarded midget that always tries to start shit with people much stronger than him. Not Erdogan, the other one.
>>78780096
>69$ of the TURKMENISTAN is SOLAROFYED EROPA ASCENSION ZLAV
>buy SPEF 80 or become COOK like BANB
this man has a point.
>>78779929
Hippy EU's regulations and laws simply don't fit Turkey. Many Turks are aware of this incompatibility.
Yesterday they reverted some military and police laws, now Turkish security forces has more immunity and protection against charges. EU won't like it.
Isn't it a bit ironic that when Turks attempt to be more western Erdogan changes democratic results to fit his agendas better, and yet when Erdogan attempts to correlate Turkey with the EU and the West, it's Turks themselves who have a negative position?
Very confused country. I think it's a bit sad that circumstances don't allow Turkey to form a consistent European identity. They don't fit in neither the Arabic nor the Iranian Muslim world, and this oscillation between a neo-Ottoman state and a European force will eventually destroy them.
Though perhaps it's for the best. The modern Turkish state was built on strong contrasts. Maybe it's meant to eventually split into parts that can function better on their own.
>>78779876
>>78779926
>>78780725
Modern turkish state was built on turkic identity greekbro. We ditched the filthy arabic alphabet, arabic culture and sharia laws.
However since Ataturk's assassination in 38, (((they))) are pushing the arab culture under the disguise of islam. Half of the population have nothing in common with the other half. Technically (((they))) have been preparing this country for a civil war for a long time.
>>78781725
I would argue that the Turkish identity is predominantly native Anatolian, not Turkic. That's why we have so many things in common and often fight over traditional food, drinks and the like.
However, I do appreciate the Turkic elements imported to replace Arab influence. Even the language was a bit different, wasn't it? The Ottoman language had lots of Arabic loanwords, a few of which I've found to have even made their way into Greek.
Ataturk wasn't without fault, but he had a good vision for Turkey that I don't think his successors respected. I worry that a Russian intervention in Turkey will happen before a proper national awakening of Kemalist Turks against Erdogan's neo-Ottoman caliphate.
I would hate it for "good" Turks to pay the price of their Islamists compatriots' faults. Moreover, I don't see an ally in Putin, who I think only wants to serve Russia's agendas and control Mediterranean on his own.
We would be each other's best allies. Unfortunately, Islamic Turkey drags the progressives back, and propaganda in Greece has convinced many people that Russia is an ally just because of their pretence copycat religion.
We are both victims of Divide & Conquer tactics, but maybe one day.
>>78779840
cognitive dissonance
(the #1 trait of every nation who just could not make "it")
>>78779840
What's the age of consent in your country?
>>78782953
>The Ottoman language had lots of Arabic loanwords
Official language had, Turks couldn't understand the palace language they need an interpretor, but then Japanese also couldn't with their emperor because palace language is something entirely different. So around 80% of Turks spoke something similar to what we're speaking right now, that's why it was easy to replace since new alphabet easily suited compared to Ottoman one.
>We would be each other's best allies.
Maybe in alternative universe where the butthurt squad or Greeks, Armenians and k*rds are smarter. But I can't see any of you ever accepting that your forefathers making wrong decisions or taking responsibility towards hating us slightly less.
>We are both victims of Divide & Conquer tactics, but maybe one day.
Fuck people who fall for that, that's the difference between Turks and others, we don't accept being victims and you build your identity on top of that foundation. It's always easy to divide you even in full Greek state, you're like black guy reacting to word nigger, like a puppet, Islamists have same mentality as well.
>>78779840
please do it.
>>78779876
first post...
>>78786263
What a fucking cunt this guy is.
Just lurking for the discussion, but I just wanted to point it out.
>>78786263
You flatter yourself too much.
Yours view can indeed be summarised with this:
>Maybe in alternative universe where the butthurt squad or Greeks, Armenians and k*rds are smarter. But I can't see any of you ever accepting that your forefathers making wrong decisions or taking responsibility towards hating us slightly less.
>that's the difference between Turks and others, we don't accept being victims and you build your identity on top of that foundation
So, are you victims or are you not? The basic principle of your claims is that Turkey is the victim of the "butthurt squad", and yet you go on to say you don't accept the term.
I recognise politicians in my country have made mistakes, but we were the underdogs for a long time. It was Turkey's position to be proactive on matters of unity. As I said, I think Ataturk had some good ideas, but his successors didn't follow the groundwork he laid. The "butthurt squad" was merely reactive to that.
People like you are the reason why a unity of our nations can't happen. Some Greeks, and I'm sure some Turks recognise the D&C tactics that have divided us, but people like you don't. You think you're right, and everyone else is wrong. Talk about not accepting the status of a "victim".
>>78782953
Kill yourself you liberal retard, you are a disgrace to this flag
Turkey is to Greece what Mordor is to Gondor
>>78788178
Have I understand you correctly? Do you wish to living in Ottoman empire rather than living in Greece?
>>78788623
kek. explain please.
>>78779840
if you want to be part of our empire, we will have only one requirement kill Erdogan and put greater deckchair on the beach.
>>78788623
I'm not liberal. I simply see through the supposed intentions of routine opportunists like Russia. They want nothing to do with us. In fact, we're most likely to passively become their next victim after they anex the part of Turkey they want for themselves. I would much rather we cooperate with the South, including Turkey, than a self-serving snake like Putin.
>>78788808
Sorry if I'm being presumptuous, but are you Turkish? I can't fathom how a Greco-Anatolian union could bring the Ottoman Empire to mind before a million other things. Besides, I'm not even talking about an Empire. I'm talking about a diplomatic and trade union similar to the EU.
Comparisons to past junctions is a trap. Only thing that really needs to be said is that Greece and (western) Turkey are ethnically and culturally kin to each other. We may speak a different language and follow a different religion, but we have similar values.
>>78788178
>The basic principle of your claims is that Turkey is the victim of the "butthurt squad"
My claim is with you guys acting like you do any sort of cooperation is close to impossible, I'll remind you that you're the one who said
>We would be each other's best allies.
I don't think Turks think themselves as victims and I think Greeks/Armenians and k*rds have deeply rooted victimhood to their identity, at least compared to us, that is what I see.
>I recognise politicians in my country have made mistakes, but we were the underdogs for a long time. It was Turkey's position to be proactive on matters of unity. As I said, I think Ataturk had some good ideas, but his successors didn't follow the groundwork he laid. The "butthurt squad" was merely reactive to that.
Well you guys showed yourselves with Cyprus issue, any small amount of power and you'll use it to harm us without any remorse that we know. I don't know what unity you're talking about tho? Turks have no intention to be united with Greece, being allies and unity is entirely different.
>People like you are the reason why a unity of our nations can't happen. Some Greeks, and I'm sure some Turks recognise the D&C tactics that have divided us, but people like you don't. You think you're right, and everyone else is wrong. Talk about not accepting the status of a "victim".
It's delusional to think Greeks and Turks can unite imo, I think we could've been allies and run this region but unity helps no one in the long run. D&C tactics divided us because of that weak point, if there is no unity there is no weak point, just accept that and keep on building around that, we're entirely different nations with hostility between us, things can only get better with new generations and your new generations will have that victimhood buried in their identity as well. We're in a position we can always laugh it off, I don't know if you people want to reach that but you should sometime.
>>78789565
>Sorry if I'm being presumptuous, but are you Turkish? I can't fathom how a Greco-Anatolian union could bring the Ottoman Empire to mind before a million other things.
yes, but the divide and conquer part in your post suggests it was wrong to revolt against ottomans. even if I am Turkish. what does that have to do with anything?
>Greece and (western) Turkey are ethnically and culturally kin to each other.
Culturally yes but not ethnically. I am well aware that muslim greeks,slavs, armenians became "turkish" after 1923 but that doesn't make us ethnically kin to each other.
>>78788808
he means that turkey is wasteland filled with orcs
>>78779840
Rightñly so. Now if you'll just stay on your side of the bosphorous
>>78779840
well, i dont want turkey in europe aswell, since that would lead us into shady middle eastern politics. And i actually think that turkey will benefit from not being with cucks.
>>78790580
I'm obviously not talking about a common state, but a diplomatic and trade union.
I won't get much into it because I have to leave, but you're deluded about "victimhood" being engraved into the Greek identity. The fact that you're equating us to Armenians and Kurds speaks volumes of how much you know about Greece and the modern Greek identity. The identity promoted mainly roots to classical Greece. It treats the Ottoman Era simply as one (admittedly important) stage of a long lineage, and not as incomparably defining as you seem to think. As I said, you flatter yourself too much.
It's okay though. I didn't know much about Turkey either until recently either. I'm learning about it now, and I've managed to distinguish what's wrong and what's right about it. I'm hoping to learn more for it, both as a successor state of Anatolia and as a Turkic nation. I hope you'll be open to learning more things about Greece as well.
>>78791056
The Ottoman Empire was on the verge of collapse when the revolt happened. It was the right call, because it was getting more and more obnoxious as it was trying to maintain its power. The next stage of the Ottoman Empire was very open-ended. It could continue shrinking while maintaining its obscurantist Islamic identity, or it could become a Turkish Republic, which it did. I respect Kemal Ataturk for this reason.
An example of D&C tactics that was the Asia Minor Campaign, on which European "allies" fed us with arrogance to the point where we went to places that barely accommodated any Greek population, and lost ground that was inarguably ours (population-wise). There was no reason to try to annex Ankara. Ionia was enough.
Nowadays, Erdogan personifies those tactics. Our European allies continue to flirt with him, while we are given the false impression that he threatens us and we need protection from him through our supposed ally, Russia.
We are once again proxies to a cold war between the western and the eastern blocs.
>>78782953
>>78788623
Did you know that during the war of independence of turkey, some based greek soldiers refused to fight for "british imperialism" and stated that this occupation is just "wrong", while the majority of retard greeks lusted for turkish blood and great hellenistic empire or some stupid shit.
They were executed in izmir(smyrna) by their own people, accused of treason
>>78792631
It's not so complicated. Regions with Greek majority should have been part of Greece. Regions with Turkish majority should have been part of Turkey.
Let's leave bullshit out of this. Progressing the campaign to Ankara was a mistake. Getting Ionia back wasn't.
>>78782953
Turks aren't really arabic or Iranian they are a result from Byzantine culture mixed with Anatolian turks.
>>78792969
According to your logic central asia, some parts of northern and eastern asia should be turkish clay right now.
Let it go greekbro, clay gets conquered all the time. We've spilled enough blood already, I dont see the point of fighting you over some historical clay while we are surrounded by real enemies
>>78789395
*2 requirements
You suck at basics of math.
>>78792613
I agree most of in your post. I don't think Turkey is a threat to Greece.
>>78792969
>An ethnological map compiled from """""""""latest statistics""""""" from completely objective study by not greek Professor George Soteriadis of the University of Athens.
>>78792613
>I won't get much into it because I have to leave, but you're deluded about "victimhood" being engraved into the Greek identity. The fact that you're equating us to Armenians and Kurds speaks volumes of how much you know about Greece and the modern Greek identity.
Greeks obviously don't have that as heavily as Armenians or k*rds but from what I see you still have it and eager to undermine Turkey in every opportunity. Even now you're ready to claim that some parts of Turkey is still yours and I'm assuming that you're hoping any unification would grant you guys to have some say in those parts.
>The identity promoted mainly roots to classical Greece. It treats the Ottoman Era simply as one (admittedly important) stage of a long lineage, and not as incomparably defining as you seem to think.
That's good but I still think WW1 defines you more than any other era, especially in the regrets part, I really hope I'm wrong but I doubt it. But then again you're not torturing your children with heavy mental burden like Armenians do.
>I hope you'll be open to learning more things about Greece as well.
Any time, but it's kinda hard to look at people objectively when they're hating you to the bone, I'm not saying Turks don't hate you but I'd think it's rare to see that compared to Greeks openly hating us.
>>78786556
Turk post.
>>78779840
muh dicks to hard ima stab some one
>>78793557
>fucking nerd Hans does not give deceive him.
>>78779840
>Not even in the EU yet
>Already want to leave
Kek
>>78793615
Well, it's not very controversial. That's how population was roughly distributed during those times. There were both Greeks and Turks, but Greeks were majority in the Central coast (the Smyrna/Izmir area), while Turks were more in the southern parts.
>>78793778
>That's good but I still think WW1 defines you more than any other era, especially in the regrets part, I really hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.
WW1 defines our relationship with Turkey more than any other era, but not the Greek identity itself. In fact, it's not taught very well in schools. I agree that the Asia Minor Campaign is a big scar though. The events in Ionia and (to a much lesser extent) Constantinople are the main reasons of hostility with Turkey nowadays.
>>78793464
There's no (aware) Greek population there anymore, so there's no reason to fight over it. I agree that we should rather prioritise an alliance than fight over things that can't change anymore.
We are going to get raped.
>>78794667
gib selanik back plz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thessaloniki#Demographics
>>78794667
Agreed.
Btw I will be spending my holiday in greece this summer. You dont mind if i do some ficki ficki right greekbro?
Will be seeing historical places mostly. I promise i wont write OTTOMAN POWER or shit like that on your ancient ruins. Any advices?
>>78793940
>To the question of "In your opinion why does EU raise difficulties in full membership?"
>60% answered "Because we're Muslims"
>13% answered "Because our population is too large"
>10% answered "Because we haven't fulfilled our responsibilities".
>To the question of "In your opinion if EU is sincere or not about Turkey's membership?"
>82% answered "Not sincere"
>12% answered "Sincere"
>6% answered "Not sure"
>To the question of "Do you think Turkey is sincere about it's work on EU membership"
>72% answered "Yes"
>19% answered "No"
>9% answered "Not sure"
>>78794667
>WW1 defines our relationship with Turkey more than any other era, but not the Greek identity itself.
Well put, I doubt average Greek thinks of Turks when he's asked of Greek identity, just like average Turk wouldn't think of Greeks even though we have undeniably long historical connection, but when you have to interact with Greeks you can see WW1 is lingering somewhere in their minds, still it's not on the levels of Armenians so it's possible to actually talk and even banter with Greeks online and irl. But compared to Balkans you have to accept that you're closer to Armenians on the spectrum of letting things get to you.
>>78794889
Do you really want to do this? You make me feel naïve for being open-minded about the issue when even the smallest of slippery slopes triggers you to shit all over the conversation.
>>78779840
Who gives a shit?
You were never European, you simply had this self hating worship of them
Now go start some Pan Turkic union or some shit
>>78795319
I definitely hope I can visit Turkey as well one day. Would love to see Gordium. Most cultural tourism in Turkey seems to happen for Medieval sights, but I think there's so much more to see. Phrygians landmarks are seriously historically underestimated.
>>78795437
>muh 1.5 million
Armenians are something else. You can never talk to them sincerely about the stuff happened, If they are smiling get ready for a knife on the back. All of them are full of hatred against us.
I did get along just fine with greeks i've met aboard. They are also good drinking buddies. Just remember one retard greek full of hate and talking shit about some imaginary genocide. Funny thing was he just looked like a turk.
>itt greek and turk getting along
I've seen it all, the end of Days. Now all that there is to do, is to see Serbia say Kosovo is independent.
>>78782953
Is it what they call the Constantinople syndrom ? Fuck you, mudshit.
>>78795444
>Do you really want to do this? You make me feel naïve for being open-minded about the issue when even the smallest of slippery slopes triggers you to shit all over the conversation.
My dear Greek overlord with huge penis. You post some one sided map based on some man's wet dream. I argue the opposite. You are making things personal but I was clearly implying your argument.
http://users.skynet.be/ovo/GodsdBalkan.html
Well that's a double win then
>>78796151
I would choose my words wisely (((anon))). You will be begging us when your superpower friends leave you alone and arabs starts marching towards your zionist shithole
I think many EU countries would oppose Turkey joining anyway.
>>78780120
This one?
>>78782953
damn a greek not shitting on us.
>I would hate it for "good" Turks to pay the price of their Islamists compatriots' faults.
pretty much and it wont last long imo. the country is getting more liberal each passing day and while we have some crazy islamists their influence is falling. i just dont want the pendulum to swing to far and deal with stupid socialist commie shit.
>>78796819
All big cities had additional Turkish population, because administration and trade happened there. You need to look at the surrounding areas of Thessaloniki to see if Macedonia was predominantly Greek or Turkish. And I don't see why you act as if Jews didn't count for anything. They were clearly on the Greek side of affairs politically.
Also, yes, Thrace held both Greek and Turkish populations. Need I remind you of that little thing called the population exchange? You got to keep eastern Thrace, we got to keep the western part. The trade of populations balanced things out. Macedonia and Thrace were also repopulated by the Pontic Greeks later. Pontus was also a formerly Greek majority region you got to keep. These are all irrelevant in regards to Ionia.
>>78795319
Don't pollute Greek holy land with your presence roach. Stay in your islamic shithole.
>>78797891
I am perfectly fine with current situation by the way. You can keep selanik:P but your knowledge is incomplete.
Greeks were minority in every single part of the """empire""" in 1900s. If you suggest we should look at every house and street then only then you can find Greek majority areas which doesn't resemble anything in your map at all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aidin_Vilayet#Demographics
>I don't see why you act as if Jews didn't count for anything.
check the last link I post.
http://users.skynet.be/ovo/GodsdBalkan.html
>They were clearly on the Greek side of affairs politically.
>citation needed
>>78798747
B-but i will be gentle to your women and act civilized (mostly) in public. You need money to pay your denbts no?
I would even tip you if you carry my luggage. What do you say lad?
>>78799314
Who needs isis money anyway. Stay in your shithole and jerk off to neo ottoman fantasies.
>>78779840
They're right you know. Better not board a sinking ship.
>>78798900
What's your point punk?
>>78799942
His point is that administrative Ottoman population centralised in big cities of northern Greece and forced immigrations to fight off the Greek separatists in Macedonia is the same thing as the 3000 years of continuous Greek presence in Ionia. Definitely the same thing.
>>78800510
That's what I thought too. These people never give up do they? They still believe they have something in common with the asian invaders in Asia minor. "Turks" my ass.
>>78800510
>muh 3000 years of continuity
>>78800837
>They still believe they have something in common with the asian invaders in Asia minor. "Turks" my ass.
what ever makes you sleep at night.
>>78801237
You know it roach
>>78801298
>he thinks steppe horse herders were capable to assimilate Greeks, Anatolian and Persians.
your presence after 500 years of slavery must be a miracle.
>>78801870
Still here roach. Instead you vanished and just hold on to a meme ethnicity like turk.
>>78802599
here is your (You)
>>78801870
You do know Anatolians have a reputation of being assimilated, right? From Phrygians, to Greeks, to Celts, to Greeks again, to Turks. I agree that (true) Anatolians aren't Greek per se, but I'm not sure why you don't recognise you are descended from them. They were pretty awesome regardless.
And the Greek mix is definitely increased in the coastal areas of Asia Minor. There absolutely are Ionians who gradually became Turkish, and let's not forget the devşirme system.
I've heard a first-account case of a mother who reunited with her kid when visiting Smyrna as a (very, very) elderly tourist, years after being expelled. She visited her old house and met the new owners, who turned out to be her kid's family. It was chilling to hear about it, and I have no problem with these people, even if they identify as Turkish nowadays, but you can't deny that fact.
Pic related. Central Asian contribution is minimum, and considering there's none at all in Greece, it's probably pretty much non-existant in even the coastal areas of Turkey.
>>78803760
>but I'm not sure why you don't recognise you are descended from them. They were pretty awesome regardless.
because I know I am not descendant of them. Of course there were marriages between. I do not suggest Turks were living in jars. There is a huge difference between those two.
Why are you so eager to prove I am not a Roach but some assimilated Anatolian?
>There absolutely are Ionians who gradually became Turkish, and let's not forget the devşirme system.
you should check the numbers. There weren't that much people in devşirme system.
>I've heard a first-account case
I have Christians in my family tree. Why does that make me nonTurk?
If you share a map, please share the source, how many people are tested. How reliable it is and so on.
Thank you for me to respond though.
>>78803423
>>78803760
And that is that roach. Now go kys.
>>78803423
>03423▶>>78804804
>File: civilized_turks_avoid_light.webm (1.91 MB, 640x640)
wtf any story ? they look like jews?
>>78804664
Can you share a source that claims there's more than 10% Q and N in Turkey? Around 10% is the most I've seen, and even that may be an overestimation.
Having Christians in your family tree doesn't make you non-Turk_ish_. The Turkish national identity is a very specific thing. But yes, it does make likely you part-ethnically Greek, or Armenian, or Georgian, or something like that. There's no doubt about it.
Why are you embarrassed about it? You should be proud of your Anatolian and Greek ancestors.
>>78805356
I don't know the source.
>>78805669
>Can you share a source that claims there's more than 10% Q and N in Turkey? Around 10% is the most I've seen, and even that may be an overestimation.
If only I knew what you are talking about. you posted a picture of pie charts and making claims about me.
>Why are you embarrassed about it? You should be proud of your Anatolian and Greek ancestors.
Don't put words into my mouth. I did not say such a thing.
I have written records of my father side back to 1700's. I raised as turkish. I speak turkish. I think I am more capable to identify myself rather than an some anon.
Also Turk ethnicity is very complex from the beginning. It covers very large area and different type of races. There is not racial purity and doesn't require one.
Check the Gokturks.
>>78806677
That's not an ethnicity that's a gangbang.
AMK OC I FUK MOTHER
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