I'm here to answer your questions.
Is the deal of two sandwiches for $5 still going on?
what will you do with your shitty degree
>>78775617
You like Ziggy cartoons? Those are pretty deep sometimes.
>>78775781
I'm starting consulting position in the fall. 70k a year. I have philosophy friends who are going on to medical school and law school. It's a great degree if you know what you are doing with it.
>>78775617
How much did you have to think in order to earn that degree?
And who are you going to think for so you can earn your shekels?
>>78775617
Is it okay that I am in love with an anime girl?
>>78775743
In the nominalist sense sure. In the platonic sense it no.
Did you study conservatism?
>>78775743
fpbp
>>78775931
What's that a consulting position?
>>78775617
> Zizek
Something something spooks. Fuck off.
>>78775957
youre do not deserve a response but here i give you because you insult islam
>>78776004
Anime girls represent the platonic ideal form. Something 3dpds can never achieve. So no there is nothing wrong.
>>78775931
70k what?
>>78775617
was your program in school full-tumblr, or one of the few places on campus where critical thinking was taught?
i can see it going either way
how does it feel to pay $100k to become less employable than a fresh HS graduate?
>>78775617
Can you make change for a $100? Good. Put some extra foam on that double tall latte, please.
We live in a simulation. The double slit experiment points to procedural generation and the necessity of an observer for the universe to maintain form. The hologram theory with evidence that supports there being a distant, exact replica universe that are entangled with one another hint that the universe is contained with a skybox. Prove me wrong.
>>78775617
WHY do we exist
>>78776054
I pretty much work for a company that gets hired out by large corporations or NGO's to give them advice on how to improve.
>>78776148
deus vult, brother
>>78776013
Lol. I went to an American University, so no. They are way to pozzed to even try to teach that.
>>78776089
70 thousand US dollars a year.
>>78776072
Looks like you are smart after all.
>>78775617
Did you study Western Civ?
>>78776094
My program was pretty liberal, but a lot of my professors were crypto-shitlords, The program hated sjw's though.
>>78776148
So schlomo has someone to give loans to.
>>78775617
>life advice from someone who spent his life studying old detached fucks who spent their lives studying old detached fucks who never lived life to begin with
Fucking cancerous little faggots
say anything deep, right now? :)
>>78775617
How much fun is the apocalypse going to be?
>>78776124
I can't prove you wrong, but you can't prove yourself right. You have as much proof for your theory as does a solopsist or a realist. The difference is their theories are simpler (occams razor) while yours is more complex. So we should favor those two over yours.
>>78775617
could you list philosophers who most brutally trigger SJWs, dindus, and merchants?
>>78776406
A lot of philosophers of the past were actually social people who had careers and pursuits outside of philosophy.
>>78776539
is that even a question
Trump
>>78775617
Since you posted him in the OP, what's your personal opinion on Slavoj Žižek?
Also, what do you think of sociologists? You guys usually share departments after all.
>>78775617
Who is better? Judge Jeanine or Sean Hannity?
>>78776419
Your moms vagina
>>78776435
7/10.
>>78776089
70.000 Indonesian Rupees, wait until an Economics graduate tells him the conversion rate.
>>78775617
what's the point
>>78776582
And yet somehow you're only taught the boring part about endless mind trips on the subject of categories of thought.
I sure hope you don't include lifeless Kant and delirious Nietzsche in that list
>>78776604
I was thinking of more obscure examples - I'd like to expand my library, and I've already got the biggest names covered
>>78776539
Neitzsche
Schopenhauer
Kant
Hegel
Hume
The problem is that most SJW's don't know enough about most philosophers to be triggered by them.
>>78776768
>what they teach in kool aid thought land
>obscure
>>78776619
Zizek
I think he is a great pop-philosopher. Most of his work is plagiarized and rambling, but it's littered with nuggets that are worth reading it for. Overall I like him because he seems to trigger sjw's.
Sociology
Most sociology and evo-psych is bullshit. There isn't really strong evidence for most of their claims. The problem also is that a lot of sociologists are biased and sjwed. So their results are not unbiased.
>>78776774
Julius Evola
Guenon
Junger
Heidegger
>>78776742
There is no point to anything.
>>78776774
thank you, friend! great list! I should've been more specific - I'm sorry - but I've got the major players covered, and was hoping to learn about some deeper cuts... your list is awesome, and I'm wondering if you could please recommend any more obscure or lesser known (perhaps even more radical) philosophers who fall into the same categories as those you've mentioned
thanks again!
>>78775617
Looks like summers started already.
>>78775617
>a philosophy graduate
Why the fuck would you do that?
>>78776763
Nietzsche salved his cock with mercury.
Is god real?
>>78776768
I personally prefer to read the articles on Stanford Encylopedia of Philosophy. They are quick. Easy to read and written by actual philosophers. If I run across and article I like I find philosophers mentioned on the page and read their work.
>>78776972
>Heidegger
I don't know how I left out the literal nazi.
>>78776774
Is nihilism possibly the most infantile doctrine ever birthed?
>>78777065
great idea! thanks, man
What is the best guide to start studying philosophy by yourself/internet?
>greeks
Yes I know but in what order and which books etc.
>>78775617
I hear Oxfam and Doctors Without Borders are a couple of truely neutral NGOs and that is why the bignosed zionazi, kikocracy disappears their people and bombs their buildings.
What NGOs do you think are impartial observers and why do you think they are not CIA controlled oppositions?
philosophy is one of those things you shouldnt have to go to school to learn you gigantic fucking faggot.
>>78777109
Herman Wirth? Or is he too far out?
Fucking Atlantis man.
>>78777036
>Why the fuck would you do that?
As long as you know what you are doing it's a great major. Philosophy is always a great second major for a double major. What most idiots do is go in studying just philosophy thinking they will get a job as a "philosopher".
>>78777041
Maybe...Maybe not.
is league of legends better than dota 2
>>78777777
Can I get a #5 with a diet coke and fries?
>>78777178
but muh sacred schools of thot
>>78776150
And why is this your Job?
I would hire a professional like an economy-major or something like that.
Your degree doesn't help
>>78777110
Nihilism is usually misunderstood by many normal fags. They usually interpret it as nothing matters, so fuck it I can do whatever I want.
All nihilism says is that there are no objective values, it doesn't say anything about creating your own or even relativistic values.
>>78777233
Good answer.
>>78776148
To leave the world better than we left it.
That begins with removing those whose life purpose is to destroy it.
>>78775617
what do you think about Immanuel Cunt?
>>78775617
why do most choose distraction & ignorance?
>>78777305
Neither would an economy degree
The biggest meme degree there is
>>78777138
I recommend buying
https://www.amazon.com/Elements-Moral-Philosophy-James-Rachels/dp/0078119065/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1466931138&sr=1-3
and
https://www.amazon.com/Problems-Philosophy-Bertrand-Russell/dp/1604595132/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1466931175&sr=1-1&keywords=bertrand+russell+problems+of+philosophy
They are short quick intros to a beginner that introduce most of the large fields and concepts. I don't recommend reading full works of any one philosopher. It's usually a waste of time unless you are really into them. I recommend getting anthologies with short works from multiple philosophers.
I also recommend reading articles on the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. It is easy to understand and full of great articles.
>>78775617
Is there a better cheap beer?
>>78777321
Why do you insult me, anon?
I know the difference, but what's the difference at the end of the day?
>>78777479
Possibly the most useless, retarded philosopher there ever was, his entire life and production was utterly meaningless. I think he was legitimately autistic
>>78777165
Amnesty
Oxfam
Doctors Without Borders
Just look for ones that Israel hates and tries to bomb or boycott.
Other than having conversation material at hand, what is the point of studying philosophy at all?
y i get deleted
When you take a shit, do you fold the toilet paper into nice little squares or do you crumble it up to form a ball?
>>78777178
You have to be careful if you self-teach. School allows you to be exposed to opposing views and have Professors guide you. Self taught people tend to get caught in a ton of confirmation bias and are usually to full of themselves.
What do you offer that those who have read so many of the Classics, the contemporaries, and those who strike his fancy AND has studied a field worthy of employable study do not?
>>78777209
I don't know anything about him, so I can't say.
>>78775617
>Graduated in Philosophy
How is it you are still alive.
>>78775617
How do I get laid, philoso-grad bro?
Does the cartisan circle exist
>tfw dearth of right wing lit memes
>>78777642
It's a soulless vestige of the custom of getting young nobles to study the ancient minds and ways of yore
>>78777878
You said 'of' too many times.
>>78777305
Philosophers are amazing at critical thinking and logical reasoning. We score higher than any other major in America at least on law school entrance exams and Grad School entrance exams. We outperform economics majors on all grad school entrance exams.
The firm I work for hires all types of majors since we consult all types of companies.
>>78777985
What's the difference between logic and reason?
>>78777937
Then show me the correct sentence
This one includes left and right philosophers.
>>78776072
OP confirmed for either troll or beta cuck who can't into women
Platonic ideal can be any phenomena. Some losers skewed reality drawn digitally is only perfect for the loser, and even then it's a question if he is the perfect loser whose ideas are complete and unchanging.
>>78777718
>philosophy
>reading shit-posts as study material
>filtering out the shit you dont like
>paying for it
>careful of self-teaching
>philosophy is all self-teaching
>useless to economy
>scams goy into therapy
>usually full of themselves
>comfirmation bias
>im not
>kill yourself
what the fuck is metaphysics? it sounds cool.
>>78778022
>reasoning can't be illogical
>>78777479
I personally find most of his work esoteric. I think he is extremely important though because of all the other works and philosophers he inspired.
Hume>Kant
>>78776148
you GOYIM exist only to serve the chosen people
Is Heidegger worth reading?
Heard anything about Luhmann? What about him?
Do french postmodernists (Baudrillard, Derrida, Lyotard, Foucault) offer as much insight as they claim to do, or are they charlatans?
Do you think Western Culture is in a state of crisis?
>>78777487
It's easy and more comfortable. It's the reason most philosophers are moral realists and compatabilists.
>>78776124
>he doesn't understand the uncertainty relation
>he thinks that there is such a thing as a passive observer on a quantum scale
>mfw
>>78777581
Drinking is degenerate. Fuck the liquid jew.
>>78778030
Philosophy is for faggots.
>>78777608
>I know the difference, but what's the difference at the end of the day?
There isn't, but just because something is uncomfortable or leads to bad outcomes does not mean it is wrong.
I personally prefer when people are led to believe in objective values even if they aren't true. It leads to better societies and less degeneracy.
>>78778120
The French post modernists are trash. Derrida? Foucault? You realize they are on the other side of the spectrum right? For Heidegger it depends, you have any prior learning?
>>78775617
Why does every philosophy student/graduate I know come out an evangelical? Is this normal or just pure coincidence?
>>78777022
Hobbes
Giovanni Gentile
Stirner
>>78777642
Teaches critical thinking skills. Makes you a much better writer. Philosophy is a great thing to study along another field. Philosophy+comp-sci, Phil+law, Phil+medicine, Phil+economics.
>>78777711
When you say ball do you mean it in the platonic sense or the nominilist sense.
>>78775617
Do you write articles as a philosopher? Do you face any political correctness restrictions in this field?
What do you think about Russian philosophers? if you know any
>>78778040
This desu family
>>78778384
But there's so many philosophers out there with differing point of views that the entire field seems to be convoluted to the point of irrelevance.
>>78778368
> Gentile
Why bother?
>>78778180
That brings up another question that may be fun: Who is your favorite philosopher that can be classified as a jew?
>>78778180
ok but if you had to choose a cold brew to chug for little money what would it be
>>78775617
Who was the greatest philosopher and why was it Carnap?
>>78778504
Wittgenstein.
>>78777728
>What do you offer that those who have read so many of the Classics, the contemporaries, and those who strike his fancy AND has studied a field worthy of employable study do not?
Most people have not done the first part. Also most fields of study in college are very narrow in scope. Philosophy teaches critical thinking skills which are applicable to all fields. It's why we score higher on all grad school entrance exams and we have some of the highest admission rates to most grad school. This includes medical, law, and economics programs.
>>78778320
>Derrida? Foucault? You realize they are on the other side of the spectrum right?
They are often cited as founding fathers of postmodernism.
I know quite some things that lead up to Heidegger. It discouraged me to know he was prone to jingoism.
>>78777795
Don't pursue 3d-pd. 2d waifus are all you should be pursuing. Women are degenerate. It's why they hate philosophy. It is the most red-pilled of academic fields.
>>78777837
No.
Has anyone here read some of the further out right wing philosophers? Ezra pound, Meyrink, Wirth. Reghini? Curious to know others thoughts on if they are worth reading.
>>78775617
How can i free myself from fears, pains, regrets and doubts?
>>78778320
Derrida is protege of heidegger if I am not mistaking. His deconstruction works like a really good bullshit detector for other philosophers. Also, his later works are easier to grasp than "on grammatology".
Because leftists used his ideas for their own purposes doesn't mean he is not important.
>>78778671
> Postmodernism
> not trash
You what? Jingoism discouraged you? On pol?
>>78778022
Reasoning is a catch all for any argument form. Logic is a specific type of argument form using formal logic.
>>78777985
You have no knowledge on busineds whatsoever.
Your Company is doomed
>>78778671
Oh shit also have you read his black book/ journals? Last time I checked they were being translated still.
>>78778065
Meta-physics is the study of the fundamental nature of existence. In short it is the study of what does and doesn't exist.
>>78777985
So you just applied? I have a history degree, how do I avoid working minimum wage?
>>78778504
Spinoza, but mainly because the jews kicked him out.
>>78778528
Whiskey.
>>78775617
How memed is Ayn Rand?
>>78775617
What di you think about Parmenides?
>>78778356
That's weird. Do you mean evangelical in the religious sense. Most philosopher student I know are agnostic or atheist.
>>78779097
200% based
>>78779066
Nobody studies ayn rand in philosophy. She's a novelist with a political bent.
>>78778436
I personally don't work as a philosopher.
>Do you face any political correctness restrictions in this field?
Philosophy is still non-mainstream enough as an academic field where PC is not a major concern in publications. Although professors have to be careful while teaching in class.
>What do you think about Russian philosophers? if you know any
Outside of dostoyevsky I don't know any that well. Although he is one of my favorites.
>>78778474
Their are many economists with differing views. There are many theoretical physicists with differing views. Outside of the hard sciences most academic fields do not have consensuses.
Philosophy is sort of the demiurge that other fields emerge form. Theirs a running joke in philosophy that once we find an answer for something we cease to care about it or consider it philosophy.
>>78779137
>objetivism not philosphu
leafman come on
>>78778530
Hume because he was mostly right
Schopenhauer because he is like Neitszche except he is actually correct.
>>78778478
Because he tiggers SJW. If you don't want to study philosophy for it's own virtue that should be a good motivation.
Perhaps Hobbes and Stirner are better though.
Stirner is still a massive trigger to leftists because he single handedly dismantled most of Marx's theories.
Made Marx so butthurt he wrote a 700 page rant which he didn't even dare to release, because it was crap.
Posting Stirner on /leftypol/ is a great way to get replies.
Use Hobbes to rek your usual anarkiddies, by advocating autocracy.
>>78779461
Those our some spicy opinions. You mind giving your reasoning.
>>78778737
You can't. I would look into forms of behavioral and cognitive therapy for doing so. In terms of philosophers I would look to the stoics specifically marcus aurelius and his meditations.
>>78779552
You could go with Evola or Guenon, still trigger Sjw's and learn something worthwhile.
>>78778757
Derrida is esoteric bullshit. I like him though because he triggers analytics.
>>78779603
Speaking of Aurelius, I find it a shame so little people know of Seneca. It seems Aurelius is always mentioned but Seneca very rarely.
>>78778802
How about you learn what a consulting firm is. The one I work for is a Multi-billion dollar firm. Hired by some of the largest corporations in the world.
>>78777568
Is there a big difference between 7th and 8th version because I can only found 7th for download.
Also it seems to have a lot of negative reviews.
>>78778977
I got lucky. Consulting is mostly about connections. If you have a history degree I would look into a masters in financial economics or a law degree if you wan to go into consulting. There are also those that got a job by just shot gunning it and acing their interviews.
>>78779066
Ayn Rand is bullshit. See picture.
So is pol mostly Nietzschen post modernist, or more idealistic?
>>78779104
Yes. Evangelical in a religious sense. I can't understand it for the life of me. One of my old teachers went from anti-theist and staunchly atheist as a teenager to full blown evangelical. Two other people I know also had similar conversions. I thought that maybe some of philosophers influenced their thought but a lot of the more well known ones are atheists/agnostic as well
>>78779562
Hume's metaphysics is fairly well argued and hard to refute. I feel that Kant and many who have followed have failed to do so.
Schopenhaur's will to life is much more accurate a view of the driving force in humanity when compared to Neitsche's will to power.
>>78779701
I think it's mostly because Aurelius work is a lot more well known and studied. It's sort of why Neitszche is really well known but schopenhaur isn't
>>78775617
What is your ethnicity?
What part of philosophy did you focus on?
No offense, but aren't philosophy majors unemployable?
so what are mr zizeks teachings exactly?
>>78779859
They're the same thing. They are just republished so they can charge more money.
>Also it seems to have a lot of negative reviews.
Both seem to have high reviews, so I'm not sure what you mean. Maybe amazon reviews differ by country. Also be warned the Rachel's book can be very SJW at times, but I still feel it is a great intro to moral philosophy.
>>78779984
/pol/ is zizek. Highly idealistic, but mostly into shitposting and unwilling to hold up those ideals.
>>78780373
>Ethnicity
white
>What part of philosophy did you focus on?
A wide range of topics although most of what my department covered was analytic philosophy
>No offense, but aren't philosophy majors unemployable?
They are if you are dumb with them. The smart philosophy majors are usually double majors or have concrete plans on what they hope to do with it. If you are hoping to graduate with just a philosophy major and get a job right out of college you are fucked, but that is true with almost any major nowadays.
>>78780470
no we are realist winnists and we will purge your shitty millennial libcuck ass into the next millennium
>>78780085
I agree both that Hume's points are well argued and Kant failed to fully refute them.
I was going to argue in favor of Nietzsche over Schopenhauer but then realized I don't recall very much of Schopenhauer at all. I mainly remember thinking I disagreed with his views on the East.
If it isn't to much trouble can you give a brief outline of Schopenhauer against Nietzsche (who I am far more familiar with)?
>>78780383
>>78775617
How much do they tip you at the bar where you work as a waiter?
>>78780645
A fucking leaf.
>>78780383
Communist gibberish
>>78780772
a fucking "i havent worked yet"
>>78780696
The will to life is pretty much the idea that what drives humans is the will to survive. All our actions are driven by primal urges. We want food, shelter, and sex. Those are out driving forces. Schopenahaur also sees suffering as something to avoid although he also feels that it is unavoidable in the long run. Neitsche believes suffering is to be embraced.
>>78780747
About as much as I tip your mom every night.
at what point did you realize that philosophy is just a one circlejerk that can never fully approximate the reality
>>78780822
If you read above I actually do have job.
>>78781080
>approximate the reality
The fuck does this even mean.
>>78781095
when will you work because you shitpost as someone who hasnt worked a day in their lives
>>78780972
I'm definitely in favor of Nietzsche over Schopes.
I never could empathize with that sort of pessimism, you don't feel as though inherent leveling downwards of man in such a doctrine?
To say that man is only interested in his primal needs seems somewhat myopic, certainly the vast majority might function as such- but as a universal rule?
>>78781176
making up theories on how reality is
>>78781286
Your view of reality is completely without theory? How's that working for you?
>>78781193
Not an argument
>>78781480
i can see your future tears from miles
>>78781480
>arguing with a leaf
>avoiding suffering
m8
what about frankfurt school? they are the antichrist right?
>>78781237
I personally agree with Schopenhaur. I also do see it as a universal rule. Even those that appear to be driven by "other" motives . Those "other" motives are usually just the base ones repackaged.
>>78775617
Do you smell bad? Because if you don't, you should not be a philosopher.
>>78781561
>>78781587
Never studied them in depth.
>>78781753
it is because everyone can see you spouting bullshit nonironically about how gr8 your philo degree is
>>78781587
They're no good. Something about jews and post modernism.
>>78781632
Whats Schopenhauer's views on suicides then? Especially amongst the disillusioned? If ones purpose for existence was existing...
Also, for general prosperity Weinenger should be mentioned to. Though hes been appropriated by some men against women movement.
Can we say what an illogical world is?
>>78782178
philosophymajor
>>78781732
Also an ugly wife.
>>78782224
I recommend you read Nietzsche Max Stirner and David Hume. They could triple your shitposting potential.
>>78775617
>captain Phil
Kek, great show.
>>78782340
i already have stocks in the shitposting market and with posts like youres theyre going way down
>>78781413
all views and models of reality are inherently false
It just can't be summed into concepts in your brain
>>78776393
>>78775617
Did it make it easier to work in Starbucks for the next ten years?
niggers arnt human
op is acting mighty nigger
theirs philosophies need to be shown reality
>when philo majors wake up and the niggers storm them and rape them and the negroes turns out to be Reality sucker punching their ideas
>>78781898
>Whats Schopenhauer's views on suicides then? Especially amongst the disillusioned? If ones purpose for existence was existing...
Not sure if he ever gave his views, but it seems clear that he wouldn't be against it. He sees lie as suffering, so I could see him defending suicide as the ultimate rebellion from life.
>>78782558
Wouldn't that constitute a view on reality?
Also, I completely disagree, I think you've only managed to arrive at that position through following some kind of weird ass semantic framework to its conclusion.
Explain how you got to your position.
>>78782224
>>78782410
>>78781842
>>78782840
>ultimate rebellion from life
that's a good thing imho
>>78777178
No, it isn't. Philosophy is like memetics. The quality of your philosophy only increases by injecting it in other people's head. If you philosophize all by yourself, you are just building a lego house in which nobody can live.
>>78782178
Not a truly illogical one, since it wouldn't be comprehensible to us. although this does not mean it does not exist. Also just because we can't imagine something illogical doesn't mean the rules of logic actually exist.
>>78775931
>>78775931
>>78775931
>>78776946
all western modern philosophy are nigger-tier. have no seed
emperor read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Ilyin
Resistance to Evil By Force
>>78782808
No, but it does make it easier to start a grooming gang.
>>78775617
How long should I steam the milk for?
>>78775617
When will you realize your degree is worthless and kill yourself?
>>78782928
I agree. Why do you think that is good though.
>>78775617
>philosophy
>graduate
Why'd you make such a poor life choice?
>>78782840
The point I'm trying to make is that it seems to discount a lot of the alienation and angst that people, specifically modern peoples tend to have. I can't imagine Schopenhauer overlooking something like that and must of touched on it somewhere. I think Nietzsche critiques Schopes views on art at some point so clearly Schopes touched on the more "emotional" side of the being.
Furthermore I find his views towards life in general, which correct me if I am wrong, he inherited from the eastern systems of though entirely unwarranted. Do you agree with how he interpreted Buddhism and the Upanishads?
>>78783179
Well, what do you wanna hear, man? Do you wanna hear that sometimes I think about eatin' a bullet? Huh? Well, I do! I even got a special bullet for the occasion with a hollow point, look! Make sure it blows the back of my goddamned head out and do the job right! Every single day I wake up and I think of a reason not to do it! Every single day! You know why I don't do it? This is gonna make you laugh! You know why I don't do it? The /pol! Trolling the /pol/! Now that's the reason!
>>78782941
You forgot something important. The best memes are also usually true or based in truths. Just like the best philosophy usually has a point to it or makes a good point.
>>78783166
>>78783198
>Why'd you make such a poor life choice?
I don't know. Ask your mom why she chose to have you. Maybe then you will know.
>>78783210
>Furthermore I find his views towards life in general, which correct me if I am wrong, he inherited from the eastern systems of though entirely unwarranted. Do you agree with how he interpreted Buddhism and the Upanishads?
Buddhism has the concept of nirvanna. It believes that b giving up desire you can alleviate suffering. Schopenhaur also believes that desire leads to suffering, but he also believes that without desire we would still suffer. He sees suffering as an unavoidable consequence of being human.
>>78783360
So my older brother wouldn't grow up as an only child...
???
>>78783235
>>78783306
>>78783360
>>78783570
this is philofagops only way of lashing out
he came to pol for financial support on his poor life choices and weve destroyed him we should be ashamed
>>78775617
Hey hang on guy, this is /pol/!!!
>Ask a philosophy graduate anything
???
>>78782896
the paper published by Willard Van Orman Quine called two dogmas of empiricism
but to be completly hones with you I haven't actually read it, I heard about it and from this youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_bs-W_xON4
yeah it does constitutes view of reality, but it's effect is that you discount dissolve your model of reality altogether
>>78783503
That's what I disagree with. Asceticism was in its ancient forms always a means to greater strength/ discipline. I recommend you look into Julius Evola's Doctrine of the Awakening.
"The original meaning of the term ascesis – from άσλέω, "to train" – was simply "training" and, in a Roman sense, discipline. The corresponding Indo-Aryan term is tapas (tapa or tapo in Pāli) and it has a like significance: except that, from the root tap, which means "to be hot" or "to glow," it also contains the idea of an intensive concentration, of glowing, almost of fire."
Buddhism should be interpreted rather along the lines of a sort of will to power. Not as a turning away from life, but rather as a means to master it. Nietzsche got this wrong as well. They had some pretty abysmal translations.
>>78783799
he starts talking about it at 20 minute mark
>>78783830
With the development of Western civilization, however, the term ascesis (or its derivatives) has, as we know, taken on a particular meaning that differs from the original. Not only has it assumed an exclusively religious sense, but from the general tone of the faith that has come to predominate among Western peoples, a asceticism is bound up with ideas of mortification of the flesh and of painful renunciation of the world: it has thus come to represent the method that this faith usually advocates as the most suitable for gaining "salvation" and the reconciliation of man, weighed down by original sin, with his Creator. As early as the beginnings of Christianity the name "ascetic" was applied to those who practiced mortification by flagellation of the body.
Thus, with the growth of modem civilization. all that asceticism stood for gradu¬ally and inevitably became the object of strong dislike. If even Luther, with the resentment of one unable to understand or tolerate monastic disciplines, could refuse to recognize the necessity, value, and usefulness of any ascesis, and could substitute it by exaltation of pure faith, then humanism, immanency, and the new life cult were brought from their standpoint to heap discredit and scorn upon asceticism, broadly associating such tendencies with "medieval obscurantism" and with the aberrations of "historically outdated ages." And even when asceticism was not dismissed out of hand as pathological or as a kind of sublimated masochism, all sorts of incompatibili¬ties to our ways of life were affirmed. The best known and most overworked of these is the antithesis supposed to exist between the ascetic, static, and emasculated Orient, renouncer and enemy of the world, and the dynamic, positive, heroic, and progressive Western civilization.
*sniff*
>>78783898
Unfortunate prejudices such as these have succeeded in gaining a foothold in people's minds; even Friedrich Nietzsche sometimes seriously believed that asceti¬cism only attracted the "pallid enemies of life," the weak and disinherited, and those who, in their hatred of themselves and the world, undermine with their ideas the civi¬lizations created by a superior humanity. Furthermore, recent attempts have been made to provide "climatic" explanations of asceticism. Thus, according to Gunther, the Indo-Germans, under the influence of an enervating and unaccustomed climate in the Asiatic lands they had conquered, came slowly to regard the world as suffering, turn¬ing their energies away from affirmation of life and toward a seeking for "liberation" by means of various ascetic disciplines. We need hardly discuss the low level to which asceticism has been brought by recent "psychoanalytical" interpretations.
>>78783799
Oh, on the subject of videos I suppose Jonathan Bowden should be mentioned as well. Fantastic speaker to be sure, though I'm not one hundred percent certain I'd call him a philosopher.
>>78775743
rallys will hook you up fellow Ameriburger
*sniff*
>>78783648
>>78784122
hes crushed
absolutely his poor crippling life choices have left him a shriveling mess
he came to pol for bitcoin support after his poor life choices and weve absolutely destroyed his mining capabilities and forced him into NIKKEILODEON slavery
>>78778056
you have no argument
>>78784338
dont you have shitposts to be getting back to op
>>78779896
>mostly about connections
you dun gufd
>>78783261
You didn't study philosophy, huh? Truth doesn't matter in an argument. Only semantics of a logical system makes truth matter. But this is top tier shit you don't meet outside of academics and applications. In a regular argument only what appears to be true to the addressed audience is of matter. So anything goes as long as you win. Therefore, without practicing philosophy in public you're shit at it. And if you do philosophy for the sole purpose of mental self masturbation you are doing nothing that matters. Why not jack it to porn instead?
>>78775617
How does the new come into existence?
>>78784604
Nice kōhai. Keep up the good work.
>>78784604
That's some serious modernist bullshit right there mang. Remember there is more to philosophy than the hollow logical syllogisms of the current main philosophers. Try Seneca, and mastering yourself.
>>78779137
Just as dostoevsky but people in the West think he is a philosopher of some sort
>>78784712
It doesn't. All things flow.
>>78784788
Politics isn't tied to philosophy? While obviously the methods differ I'd say you're arriving at the same core points.
>>78784402
Most jobs nowadays are about connections. Good luck finding a job outside of computer science and IT without them.
>>78778289
If they're not true aren't you just begging the question.
>>78784788
>dostoevsky
He actually is a philosopher. His work is considered some of the most influential existentialist literature. In fact he is sometimes claimed to be the father of existential philosophy
ayn rand is nothing but a hack who can't even write decent libertarian literature.
>>78785257
I don't understand the question?
>>78785328
What are his main works? I've read brothers Karamazov and didn't particularly care for it. Does he have any other major ones?
>>78784905
You can connect EVERYTHING to the philosophy(if you have this cheeky philosophical mind), but that doesn't mean everything is philosophy. Its just sounds equally silly if i say "Ayn Rand is the only American philosopher" just as if someone would say "doestoevsky is famous russian philospher, if i dont know others they don't exist".
>>78785467
Crime and Punishment
Notes from the Underground
The Idiot
Notes is my favorite. It's short compared to the others and isn't as complex.
>>78785631
I suppose you have a point. I never considered Rand a philosopher, but Dostoevsky was always lumped in with them.
should have been a logician
>>78785851
Why?
>>78785419
You said "even if objective values aren't true"; but wouldn't you need some objective basis to make such a claim? There is definitely an objective dimension to such an assertion... seems like a cop out
>>78784772
Not spouting /lit/ memes, and I've seen that you've done your homework, but always start with the Greeks. Especially things Plato neglects to talk about although they are mentioned in his dialogs. It's like a apocryphal way to truth.
>>78785851
During my undergraduate experience most of the logicians and student interested in logic were usually annoying autistes who had no practical or social skills and would spend their time trying to rebutt everything you would say.
>>78785960
Values are completely separate from metaphysics. Objective values don't exist. We don't need an objective subject to base that statement off of.
