Former lefties, what made you turn right wing?
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anyone else go from socially liberal quasi-libertarian to a socially conservative economic nationalist?
Once, I was afraid. I was petrified. I kept thinking "I could never live without you by my side." But I spend so many nights thinking how you did me wrong.
It took all the strength I had not to fall apart. Kept tryin' hard to mend the pieces of my broken heart. And I spent oh so many nights just feeling sorry for myself. I used to cry. But now I hold my head up high. I've got all my life to live. I've got all my love to give.
I got a job.
I moved to the shit hole that is Hollywood.
>>78775997
also this
I took an economics class.
>>78775102
It was a slow process. What made me start being critical of everything i was told was feminism. I saw the whole world including people closest to me swallow it whole and i quickly realized through reading statistics and seeing firsthand break up of familys amongst my peers that it was bullshit and at the very least harmful to society as a whole. From there on out i investigated every single thing closely that i thought was set in stone and the most recent change in my beliefs is that the earth is flat due to videos showing lack of curvature over large areas of water / flat land and the fact that the bible has gotten so many other things right in its predictions and advice.
>>78775809
allmost if not completely.
The LA riots where they dragged the white trucker out and beat him
>>78775102
A combination of /int/ and my mother being right-wing
Define left and right.
Being from Quebec, I have always been ultra-nationalistic. However, I am also a socialist.
>>78775102
I grew up is literally the only way I can explain it.
>>78776108
The Bible says nowhere that the earth is flat.
I read statistics that I couldnt refute and I had to reexamine what Id been taught about how all people are equal
>>78775809
>>78776108
>>78775102
I was no-platformed and saw the light.
I was even a member of the PdA in Switzerland.
Used to hang out with Antifa and visit certain far left "cultural" places.
I changed my view once I started to work properly and noticed how all those fuckers were freeloaders and a bunch of lazy pussies that just want my money to destroy this society.
Now I lean to SVP and CVP depending on the issue.
>>78775102
>Former lefties, what made you turn right wing?
I became a leftie when I quit being a leftie because lefties are retarded. /pol/ was the catalyst for this change.
I'd still vote for Trump.
>>78776146
You're a leftist.
>>78776146
Define what you mean by socialist.
You are at odds with modern socialists because they reject nationalism in all forms. I suspect that you might be some sort of liberal instead of a socialist.
>>78776547
>I became a leftie when I quit being a leftie because lefties are retarded.
>mfw this sentence matches your image
>>78775102
I was never a full on lefty, but I did agree with a lot of racial/sex/class based activism.
What turned me away was when I realized feminism was a complete crock of shit and the women around me had VASTLY better lives than me and no one was talking about the shit men suffered from. So, that happened around... 24?
I was never fully a leftist, so it was easy for me to just walk away without much regret.
However, now that I'm 31, I'm starting to see the same bullshit that I see on the left on the right, so I'm kind of relapsing and starting to realize that the left at least tries, whereas the conservatives/libertarians just bank humanity learning by itself, even it has to stumble a lot before it gets there.
The whole anti-Islam thing threw me back into the left's arms because the right's attempts to demonize Islam is misguided and will only elongate the problem.
Fuck, I hate the whole spectrum.
>>78776881
>Islam hate is bad
>they throw gays off roofs
Choose fags or Muslims
I got into politics through my best friend who is an anarcho-capitalist, I read Trotsky, Kropotkin, Marx and Bakunin.
I just never really looked into some of the stuff I was protesting for, I just enjoyed doing something with politics.
After being arrested for political activism and being locked up for 4 months one of the jail workers gave me Ayn Rand to spite me, but I got so into it I started reading more an more.
I got out of prison as a libertarian and broke away with my antifa/commie friends, later joined the alt-right movement through /pol/ showing me Richard Spencer.
>>78776556
How so?
>>78776660
By socialist, I mean I am agaisnt the free markets and such. Citizens should have public institutions to support them. Welfare should exist, for people who can't work (i.e.: vegetables). Foreigners shouldn't have access to any of this, however. In fact, they shouldn't have the right to vote and should only be allowed on our territory for extra labor, if we ever reach extremely low unemployement rates.
>>78775809
Trump did it for me. Followed his campaign for the giggles then I started to agree with what he was saying. From there, a combination of youtube and /pol/ brought me to socially conservative
>>78777064
>By socialist, I mean I am agaisnt the free markets and such. Citizens should have public institutions to support them. Welfare should exist, for people who can't work (i.e.: vegetables). Foreigners shouldn't have access to any of this, however. In fact, they shouldn't have the right to vote and should only be allowed on our territory for extra labor, if we ever reach extremely low unemployement rates.
That's how.
>>78776881
>I did agree with a lot of racial/sex/class based activism
>The whole anti-Islam thing threw me back into the left's arms because the right's attempts to demonize Islam is misguided and will only elongate the problem.
>being this blue-pilled
LURK MOAR
Those daily WSHH threads being shown on /pol/. I used to come and troll racist while shilling for niggers and diversity but after seeing countless videos of niggers assaulting the shit out of men, women, the elderly and even children for no reason something inside me snapped. Everything the racist told me was true and I couldn't ignore everything I've learned from growing up in East LA and Compton. I used to blame it on poverty but I also grew up in poverty and have never done any of those things. Then I started looking at the stats and I knew I was wrong about everything.
>>78777117
I don't know. I get called extreme right winger for my nationalistic views, but a commie for my economic ones.
Define the left
>>78777192
Extreme/far """right""" is a commie meme made to discourage leftist nationalism.
>>78775102
I used to vote green and was antifa for a while.
Full of multicultural propaganda, I went to live in one of the crappy neighbourhoods of Brussels. It took a while to admit to myself I hated it, but I moved out as soon as possible after that.
Second was when feminism stopped making sense. I was full on with the program as long as it was rather moderate but then it went full identity politics, "you can't speak because you are white", "do not tone police me you utter cunt", "my anger is justified because you are the oppressor" and I'm sorry to say but I had to be on the receiving end of what I had done so often to realize what I had done.
We had a philosophy class on free speech and despite arguing against the teacher a lot of the time, he made a massive impact and had me reconsider a lot of what I did. I realised also I was dismissing him based on him being an old white man. Still, he was based and I still owe him for not giving up on me.
I think those three are the major things. Economically I am still on the left, ecologically I am still very green, but if you had to describe my ideology national socialism comes closer. Except you can't say that because everyone looses their minds and calls you Hitler.
>>78777260
I know.
But please define the left.
>>78777180
>I couldn't ignore everything I've learned from growing up in East LA and Compton
I grew up in shitskin infested area and this more than anything made me extremely skeptical of multi-kult, globalism and SJW/PC garbage
>>78776108
I remember those people, they looked straight out of a nazi propaganda poster. God bless
>>78775102
I turned right when I realized that right wing politics especially old right wing politics more align with me and that left wing politics nowadays are race-baiting faggots.
I don't like being told what to do, fuck dems
My own people, also getting a job when I was teenager.
Recently came out as a black Trump supporter, got shit for it but i don't care anymore. We all gotta make some sacrifices to get to where we want to be in life, so be it illegals. Should have did your fucking paperwork.
I am for a fair but strict welfare state. Large-scale immigration is neither strict nor fair.
>>78777309
The left pertains to politics that encourage or actively enforce equity.
Anyone else miss being a liberal?
It was so easy seeing everything in black and white, and always backing the minority.
Having to weigh the morality behind my views against all sides, thinking about the implications and precedents my votes hold, and having to maintain a viewpoint that's unpopular where I live is definitely more involved.
>>78777012
I don't have to choose between the two. I recognize that Middle-East has not has had the same level of progress as the West with gay rights because of the turmoil it has faced in the last century.
It's a lot more complicated than "Muslims kill gays, you must choose one over the other." Islam is going through a reformation right now. It's not manifest to everyone, but it is.
There's a vibrant gay Muslim community here in Canada. A lot of people call that an oxymoron, but all religions are more about community and a sense of belonging for a better life than a strict set of rules that cannot be changed.
If that were the case, we wouldn't have female teachers in the West because the Bible forbids a woman to have authority over a man.
>>78777379
I do not. Therefore, I am not a leftist.
I realized that Republicans were right. Everything that conservatives accused liberals of being and liberals said they were crazy and bigoted for came true (gun banning, supporting socialism, being anti-personal freedom, slippery slope gay marriage, wanting white people to become minorities).
This was before liberals went completely off the rails with social justice.
>>78775809
Yes, I used to call myself a libertarian. Pat Buchanan was probably the biggest influence on me when I became socially conservative and economically nationalist.
>>78777064
You're not a socialist. You are a social democrat.
There is an actual distinction. You're also a massively retarded faggot, but that's beside the point.
>>78775102
After a decade of hanging out with non-whites, I realized their racism is in their dna. Well at least for the most part. Feels good to not be an ancharist / leftist scum anymore. More honor for the family, etc etc.
Always been and will be an economical soviet lefty.
But I also appreciate stalinist migration/feminist politicies. Never been a huge fan of multiculturanism/third wave feminism.
>>78777504
You said yourself that you support socialist economics though.
>>78777407
I miss being able to feel superior about everyone and not questioning myself all the time. As a liberal you can tout around words like mysogynist or racist and then rage at how bad other people are. Now at least I'll try to be charitable to people's ideas and accept or reject them.
>>78777407
I feel like I was definitely a more fun person to be around. Probably because I wasn't afraid of being ostracized for my views.
>>78777272
>We had a philosophy class on free speech and despite arguing against the teacher a lot of the time, he made a massive impact and had me reconsider a lot of what I did.
What did he teach you, exactly?
I wouldn't really class myself as right wing
I just support democracy, free speech and nuclear weapons. And I'm a white heterosexual man in the 18-24 age bracket
There is no place for people like me in the modern British left
Rhodesia, South Africa, Detroit, Baltimore, every major inner city, all of Africa, Empire of Dust - blacks are inherently inferior and only bring white society down, the majority anyways. I wouldn't eat at a restaurant if the majority of the time I went there the food was bad, same applies for blacks. It dawned on me that when whites are the minority we will not be treated with a shred of decency and not only that, but society will crumble.
>>78775102
I started reading books.
>>78777607
I see it as a safety net, not a way to level everybody to the same rank.
>>78777566
/pol/ is rightful natsoc's clay. Get off my board.
>>78777617
the true red pill is when you get to use the racism card on someone who says your opinion is wrong or dismissed because youre white
felt so good calling an aborigine a racist when he called me whitey
>>78777320
Well, I already hated Mexicans from growing up around them and hearing all their bullshit but I grew up in Liberal leftist LA and had no real chance. Everyone around me was blue pilled to shit and back. Like most liberals, I was brainwashed into believing that niggers are poor little children who are oppressed by those ebil racist republikkkans. It wasn't until I started asking questions into everything that I realized that niggers aren't harmless little children who didn du nuffin but violent predators with no concept of time or consequences.
Nothing pisses me off more than hearing liberals hand waving or making excuses for niggers and spics and the guise of poverty. I grew up dirt as poor too with a single mother yet I never killed, robbed or raped anyone.
>>78777755
An economic safety net is a leftist idea mate.
>>78777490
I tend to agree with you. Let them be muslims and gay, the quicker they secularize, the better, and reform and secularization will come under the impulse of people who still consider themselves part of the community rather than people leaving the community.
Meanwhile, we do need to keep an eye on mosques to make sure there are no hate preachers though.
Liberalism is very appealing as a teenager when you're young and impressionable, especially if you're being bullied. You just want everybody to get along, why is everybody so violent?
And then as you get older you start seeing the hypocritical rhetoric, the violent outbursts when they don't get their way. They're spoiled entitled children who haven't worked a hard day in their life.
I want no part of it. You follow legislation, you follow the founding rules of democracy, you help those who have the sense to help themselves because the lazy won't do anything with your input.
>>78776881
Islam is demonic by its very nature
If we were talking about ultra conservative Christians we wouldn't be having this argument
Brit Indian here.
>Always used to tell my dad that he couldn't call black people niggers and Kaffirs etc.
>Same too about pisslam and Muslims
>I once even picketed with ANTIFA here in the UK
Basically I grew up.
That's it.
Realizing that IQ disparity amongst races is mostly nature and only a little bit of nurture despite people trying their hardest to push a different narrative for political reasons.
Immigration failed but society doesn't want you to know.
>>78776881
>The whole anti-Islam thing threw me back into the left's arms because the right's attempts to demonize Islam is misguided and will only elongate the problem.
How much have you actually read about Islam? I don't mean just a couple passages in an old holy book, or a couple of incidents you could easily take as isolated-- all those are shocking in their own right but I guess you could ignore them if you look at the bible.
I'm talking full-on study of the history, beliefs, and culture of the people. I'm talking real "systems of oppression" that make anything the left could possibly describe melt in comparison. I'm talking an actual "rape culture" -- and that's a mild term for what actually happens. I'm talking what would happen if David Koresh conquered the US and founded an empire that lasted 1700 years.
Even the worst rhetoric you're ever going to see is still treating them with kid gloves. Please fucking EDUCATE. YOURSELF.
>>78775102
I was born in Poland.
>>78775102
Her eyes don't line up right and it's bugging me.
> what made you turn right wing
I'm not really right wing, but I'm not left wing either.
I feel like the entire political landscape shifted on me. I thought the left stood for anti-globalism, anti-EU, anti-corporate, anti-immigration values. It was all part of how the rich were going to fuck the working class in the ass.
Then suddenly the left is standing there cheering for all of it. Saying you're a racist if you say otherwise. Do they even remember 10 years ago? How can you switch positions of an entire political wing like this without anyone reacting?
How can the agenda go from "everyone's equal" to "here's my list of special kinds of sexualities and races that should get legal advantages in society" without someone asking what the fuck happened?
We have people essentially arguing for segregation in society for fucks sake. Not to mention the anti-religion sentiment somehow morphed into "religions must be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want, you can't criticise them". We used to talk a big game about banning circumcision, how we can't even stand up to FGM.
I guess I'm a radical centrist at this point.
>>78775102
On my 5th birthday when I stopped being a little baby
>>78775102
I grew up poor in the US, worked my ass off to become a doctor. I had to compete with the liberals shoveling money at minorities and woman while I could not get a single scholarship despite living with a single father who made just over minimum wage driving buses.
The left claimed to champion the poor, but I realized it was just showmanship and pandering minorities to get votes.
>>78777844
So the true right-wingers are liberterians?
>Posting in a datamining thread
btw
>one post OP
>>78777755
You're not a national socialist, nigger. You're some sort of lefty cuck who also loves his country.
I originally leaned left because history and politics had been taught to me as if it were all a big class war. I was interested in worker's rights, but the left really doesn't do much more than pay lip service to that stuff. It was all identity politics on the left.
a bit of backstory first, 9/11, I was young and was into the ayy lmaos conspiracies, the same site started posting the 9/11 was an inside job shit, eventually started to think twice about everything
years later, fell for le Obama Change, thought he mightve been for a real , kek democrats, questioned happenins like Osama being killed n shit, saudi oil , crimea,
Trump and Hillary come along, hillary obvious as fuck crook, Trump must be the right wing fall guy for hillary to give her the win.
while this is happening also learning about the muslim horde thats coming into europe, where are the women and children? , le isis oh shit another mossad alqaeda, fake enemy?
at this point Trump started going ape shit and i quickly saw how even the media on the GOP side were attacking him , just everyone all sides, he calls out that 9/11 was possibly done by the saudis on national television "holy shit hes AWOKE"
now full trump, also muh guns, also , deport kebab and too many spics, (im a spic but not a mexicant and came here legally and might as well be a white nationalist redneck)
now red pilled as fuck, to the point where all i see is liberal values being shoved down our throats from tv shows to movies to fucking pamphlets at museums. REEEEE
WAKE ME UP, CANT WAKE UP when i see the SJWs Feminazi horseshit, just want to buy a house in the country side and fuck off with society.
>>78775102
Greenpeace and climate change
Was all like yeah, protect the planet. But then I found it all the group thinking Lefties were vehemently anti nuclear.
In one moment Critical of climate deniers for ignoring the science, in the next breath stating that uranium will kill us all and all we need is wind farms and solar.
Once I saw the cognitive dissonance in the environment movement it was easier to see the same in every other expect of left doctrine
>>78777970
No, you're bringing social policy into it now. There is also none free-market capitalism and shit like that.
>>78778000
Define national socialism then.
>>78777777
Joined .mil, had kids, and independently read up on a more balanced perspective on history than what is taught in schools
>>78778092
fug
lifting weights
left extremists getting away with extremist viewpoints
not exactly right wing though,
i was a left-leaning libertarian and am right-leaning libertarian now
>>78778064
So right and left wings are purely economical?
>>78777988
this
they're tryna figure out how so many people became right wing organically in just a few years
when I was redpilled on racial and gender differences. like actual differences in IQ backed up by science, it made me realize that leftist egalitarianism is bullshit. basically all of the left's belief system is based on that as well, so you can't really stay on the left after realizing this
Iraq war.
>>78778155
Yes, however social politics can effect economics and visa versa.
>>78775102
perpetual white guilt from other lefties
>>78775102
Obama turned out to be full of shit. Gun grabbers. Gay "rights". Immigration. Globalism.
>>78776881
>whereas the conservatives/libertarians just bank humanity learning by itself
What's wrong with that? Isn't it better for change to be more organic than forcing down someone's throat?
>>78778033
Have you started seeing the globalists everywhere too? My friends call me crazy but there are just too many coincidences to go unnoticed. EVERYTHING is now a conspiracy
>>78777988
>one post OP
Fuck, the shills are improving
also nice 88
>>78775102
>Why aren't you a liberal scum
Because communism doesn't work and liberalism is a subversion tactic to instill communism in the future.
>>78775102
I am a former and recovering homosexual, my ex-boyfriend prolapsed my anus and after the dr told me it will take years for my anus to recover i became disillusioned with leftism, equality and egalitarianism in general.
I received a semi-prestigious internship at my school's Women's Center. I used to be a sex-positive babby feminist, think Laci Green. There were way too many identity politics freaks and white women very much not wanted. Islam was defended vigorously. Now I'm on /pol/. I still think Andrew Dworkin has some good ideas though.
Became an adult, left my white hometown and the only apartment I could find in the city was in a neighbourhood full of arabs. Swinged right pretty damn quick I'll tell ya.
>tfw redpilled by /pol/
I have to agree with the shittiest liberal nonsense sometimes just to stay in college. This life is sufering.
How can libs throw around terms like white privilege or misogynist?
Doesn't that acknowledge differences in people that they see as a social construct rather than fundamental difference? Can't any of that be sidestepped using the same logic reversed? I can't have white privilege if I don't view myself as white, I can't be a misogynist if I only view women as people.
I was a teacher for a year in a local poor school. Started to hate the poor and how they exploited everything to their gain (a few had local business, those parents were cool tho).
Got a job at a call center for a big company where I've got promoted several times and feel way happier than any kinda of social workers I know.
In the meanwhile I found /pol/ and I browsed it for the lols at first but soon I realised it did a lot for me in terms of realisation. Especially cause this happened when the transsexual thing started.
Even tho I still support some liberal ideas (aborts and homossexuals having the same rights) most of my political views are right-winged now
Oh and I always hated the fucking refugee crisis.
I found pol.
>>78777681
It was after the Charlie Hebdo things.
Being full bluepilled at the time, I tried to make the argument that humor reinforces racism because it uses the stereotypes.
He said that was the case, but that if you take away that humor, you also take away satire, i.e. making fun of the dominant group, the power of subversion etc. He pointed to political humor which is censored in many countries because humor is actually a powerful tool.
I had a go pro censorship and protection of minorities.
He explained how we had gone from human rights that demanded that the state didn't meddle with people (leave people alone to worhsip who they want and say what they want) to rights where we expected the state to DO things, like provide housing, provide places to worship etc. He said we were moving to a third set of "rights" which was the right not to be hurt of offended, not by the state (which is the first version of human rights) but by other people. He also showed how in doing so we delegated more and more of our power as people to the state. Said also that in the US, the 2nd amendment is so important because people haven't yet transferred the idea of protection from violence TO the state, which we have done completely in Europe.
I had another argument about how we shouldn't have anything to say against islam because we aren't muslims and that those were generally peaceful people.
He replied by showing how many people were affiliated with the communist parties (not that much) and how that resulted in terrorism back when it was in full swing. He insisted that fringe ideologies have an impact on people and our societies, whether we like it our not, by making the example with communism.
i saw how my kin were acting and thought "fucking barbarians"
>>78778080
National Socialists are people who agree explicitly with the Nazi party's ideals, which were an amalgam of left and right authoritarian politics topped off with a racial doctrine.
So are you a Nazi?
>>78775102
i don't know if i would consider myself right-wing. i think i mostly identify with traditionalist conservatism though i am strongly opposed to capitalism and hierarchy.
my transition to traditionalist conservatism happened in college. at some point i became interested in the arts but rejected modern and contemporary art in favor of classical art and renaissance music and high culture, which is important to traditionalist conservatives. i read up on it and found it to be in line of a lot of what i thought and felt and believed.
>>78777846
>Meanwhile, we do need to keep an eye on mosques to make sure there are no hate preachers though.
No argument here.
I just think that if you're someone that wants results and honestly want humanity to move forward and get off this rock and go explore the stars, we have to fix these stupid problems.
If someone preaches hate, yes they should be dealt with. Muslim or otherwise.
However, I do think that they are being dragged into modernity. People just don't see it.
Have a quick look at the History of Afghanistan and it's just a fucking sink-hole for modernity. The place is an immovable conservative stronghold.
Other parts of the Muslim world aren't so rigid and stubborn.
Like, I could see Iran becoming secular in like 20 years.
I wasn't really a leftie but my first year at a pretty liberal leaning Uni made me a centrist with a Dem lean. Thankfully I switched schools and realized how fucking retarded liberalism is. Now I'm a full blown nationalist.
>>78777045
>my antifa/commie friends
Kom je uit Groningen ofzo?
Former leftist international school student here. For me it was a slow transition which can be summed up in a few phases which took place over about two years.
>start: newfound interest in 19th century European history, especially Prussia and Britain
>become increasingly supportive of the idea of empires and superstates (yes, superstates)
>become increasingly authoritarian and resentful of anyone who questions authority
>reach peak lefty statist mindset, advocate federal EU, diehard NATO supporter, hate Russia, hate "racists" and "hate speech"
>Brussels attacks happen
>start browsing /pol/ more often than /b/
>Brussels attacks are the final straw, I start hating Muslims and laughing at memes that used to make me angry
>Continue to browse /pol/, become increasingly NatSoc and Eurosceptic
>Reach peak NatSoc mindset, gas the kikes, race war now, hitler memes
>Start to look into European traditionalism as well as the disadvantages of central planning, government regulation, etc
>Start moving to Monarchism, specifically British Constitutional Monarchism
>Lead up to Brexit, democracy and conservatism intensifies
>Brexit happens, now diehard Monarchist, advocate of democracy, capitalism, and national sovereignty, waiting for the conservative party to return to its roots
Learning that most of millenials are selfish, including myself. Seeing that the EU is turning into an autothorian monster, small countries losing their wealth and resources for "better" tomorrow aka communism.
Giving too much power to minorities making majority suck it up for "it's current yeart" argument. Seeing how much propaganda was directed into that way from movies, media and etc.
And I think leftists are losing their minds, destroying every value that was built for ages or blood and tears just to push their agenda, and keep everyone who critizes it shut down.
>>78776108
Same. Except the part where you say the earth is flat.
The earth is curved. If it weren't,every country would be under the sun at the same time exactly.
New age liberals are disgusting. It's one thing to be lowkey socially progressive, and it's another thing entirely to be a crazed, hyper-hypocrital, overly-entitled, and easily-triggered manchild or legbeard. And that's not even bringing business or other more complex opinions into the equation.
Take these freaks who block roads and burn flags and physically harm trump supporters for having a different opinion than them. They try to bring would-be lefties round with these stunts, but the only thing they've done is turn them away.
>>78775102
i was always raised redpilled which eventually led to right-wing
probably because i have parents who gave me education and care about me
>>78777582
Rick Ross is such a fat little bitch
bumping with the king of free market capitalism
Ricky Ross
I donated to Bernie Sanders. I was researching Trump's policies so I could convert his supporters to Sanders when I realized everything my university professors taught me was a lie
>>78778502
Also I have to add, I've come to hate my peers as they've pretty much all revealed themselves as selfish, economically illiterate, elitist morons
>>78778461
Except nazis hijacked national socialism. Get off my board eternal Kraut.
>>78778220
Therefore, I am a leftist.
>>78777490
Those tolerant muslims are going to be lined up against the wall and shot. Islam has a very long history of destroying everything it touches, everything not of itself, homogenizing the culture of vast numbers of people in only a few generations, and converting others by threats. It has a doctrine of violence that is NOT contradicted elsewhere in their canon despite what anyone in the mainstream is going to tell you.
You can't just assume all religions are the same, that since christianity had a dark age, islam must be the same. That's intellectually lazy and makes you look like an idiot in my book.
>>78777192
Canada is retarded and left = money in hands of government rather than people, healthcare, welfare, public housing, public schools, public transport, pensions are all paid for by government(and bureaucrats take their cut off the top) and so the people have less economic freedom and mobility due to high taxes
As a leftist hipster I used to have these weird upsetting thoughts. I wanted to know all the best books and movies. That was like my life's goal. But how could there be all these people in China, and I never heard anything about their music, or books. I would be upset at knowing that people in other countries didn't have the ability to share in my indie rock scene. Or read the same blogs I did. Like how could we have communication, or what meaning could there be to these peoples' lives if they couldn't experience the culture I experienced? It's hard to explain how upsetting this was. I felt bad like these people were missing out on something extremely important and I was failing in my hipsterness in my obligation to integrate every possible artistic expression into my own tastes.
I even began to be troubled by thoughts like, "more music comes out each day than I can ever listen to." and that this would make true complete knowledge impossible and the problems of the world couldn't be solved without this goal of complete understanding.
It's hard to think about this, as it feels like shedding a skin or something. I don't really remember what I thought back then. But now I don't have this problem. I realize that there are things all cultures share, and those are the most conservative parts of culture. All the other things, the experimental and fleeting parts of culture, seem meaningless now. I feel like I really can understand the motivations and lives of people from all over the world, because the most important things are those like family, authority, negotiation, work and achievement, etc.
It's like I've solved one of the most vexing problems for leftists. They are incapable of understanding other cultures because they believe the most important parts of culture are the artificial parts. They think that conflict arises out of other people failing to live up to their leftist goals of understanding others, but in fact their worldview is the cause of this problem.
>>78778578
Same desu
>>78778292
You and me both sister.
>>78778317
This is such a common theme. The most positive lefti multikulti people I know have never lived in an arab neighbourhood.
>>78777490
>>78777681
>>78778475
Also, I just noticed, A FUCKING LEAF.
>>78778594
Saw the damage that was being done in Europe and the inability of the populace to face it. So thanks I guess Germoney, for showing me how bad it can get.
>>78778644
Canada is a shithole.
Hence why Quebec needs to leave and reform.
A reformed Quebec could be in the top 20 world economies.
>>78775102
The grim, unyielding face of reality.
>>78778623
>Nazis
>Hijacking National Socialism
>implying they didn't create it
What alternate reality do you live in, Quebecer?
>>78775102
When I realised the left goes on emotion not facts. I saw how they reacted to loosing the EU referendum too. Can't be apart of such bs political correctness and cancer.
>>78778816
Why would you do such a thing to your fellow Canadians? They would be eating rocks within five years of Quebec leaving
I know a couple people who voted for Obama who are now voting Trump because the racial tension has gone up since Obama has been in office. They've come to realize that niggers will always remain niggers, and they are done appeasing to them.
>>78776108
>most recent change in my beliefs is that the earth is flat due to videos showing lack of curvature over large areas of water / flat land and the fact that the bible has gotten so many other things right in its predictions and advice.
>>78775102
When I stopped making excuses for other people
actually..also when I stopped making excuses for myself
>>78775809
yes
>>78775102
milo
>>78777888
I remember defending Christians and believers of God from my leftist friends when I was 18. I have always respected Christians and the happiest human beings I know are Christians. I've always envied them. I used to be Christian and have always seen its positive impact on the world have spoken at length about it.
I do the same for other religions as well, I just meet a lot of resistance when I speak of Islam on the internet and its positive contributions.
>>78778233
>Isn't it better for change to be more organic than forcing down someone's throat?
So, some days I agree with that, other days I don't. I just hate watching humanity constantly squander its gifts and resources over dumb shit and slaughter eachother.
Other days, I just go, "We'll learn. Even if we annihilate each other in a nuclear war, at least the survivors will learn. If not, then I guess we're cursed and trying to change that is like pushing a boulder up a hill that'll roll back down in the morning."
>>78777922
Okay, I'll give you that Islam is a religion of conquest. However, the average Muslim isn't seeking that. That's why it's regressive. Let's just be kind and slowly convert them to secularism, instead of insulting them and treating them as if they're a threat.
>>78775102
the real world
>>78778816
>A reformed Quebec could be in the top 20 world economies.
>being this retarded
>>78775102
refugee crisis then I researched about islam and now here I am
I am a pro-black nationalist, who is redpilled but the results are different, hope I can still be welcomed here.
I gained alot of redpills here on /pol/, but I also realized the enormous flaws white people have.
I came to realize that us whites are "smarter", but it comes with the price of being less human and more robotic.
Individually we are weak, but together we form legion, is the redpill most people refuse to accept.
By ourself we are weak, frail and even pathetic, but united we form the unstoppable machine that can eat everyone up.
/pol/ learned me not to be biased, be more objective regardless of my feelings. It took a long time to understand it, and even longer to accept, but I finally admit. Us white guys are longterm thinking, which is good, but we are also unable to live in "the now" like minorities and women do.
Black men have more swag, style and extremely more socially equipped than us. Us whites and asians, and poo-in the loos is the only race who actually goes against human programming, by being unable to be social, "social anxiety" "agoraphobia" and other white people mental illnesses. Most people will deny the reality of the things, (that is true) because it goes against the /pol/ bias.
Black people are the alpha masculine race, majority of black people are extremely social, have the "alpha" chinbone structure.
Africans survive in the shittiest environment ever, they can sleep on stone floor with no pillow, go through dangerous jungle with snakes and dangerous insects everywhere, barefoot.
Every ooga booga civil war in africa, vetts and filters out the "weak" blacks. Only the strongest, biggest dick nigger survives there. They are pure testeroene.
>White guys = "um i will make alot of money doing the most boring office job ever, i have no flavour, spontenuity or will do anything interesting in my life that will drive a woman madly in love...
>Black men = Hung alpha males driving women mad in love
>White girls = Want excitement and bbc
>>78779071
It took a faggot kike to convert you?
Please be memeing.
>>78778624
Also why did buddhism never have a dark age? Aren't we due for a vast uprising of devout followers of Gautama, demanding we recognize the truth of the dharama or else?
>>78775102
I had some friends who went on here, and they got pussy. So I went on here to see what the fuss was about.
I saw an infographic here about black crime and I've only had my beliefs affirmed by seeing how my family reacted to brexit.
>>78777490
>reformation
>most terrorist attacks of any religion by a landslide
>large minorities muslims, even in non-Middle-Eastern countries, think terrorism is okay, or sharia is okay
The only reformation Islam is going through right now is secularization by a group of the muslims due to Western values, yet they'll adhere to their own Islamic values and still support other muslims, which constitute the other movement, radicalization by another group of muslims.
Both are cancer, as the former supports the last, which is cancer and dangerous.
>>78775102
Spic here, born and raised (Yeah yeah build wall and you have to go back)
I was born in LA, and I grew up watching how trashy beaners and niggers could be. I couldn't relate with any of their culture. Then when I was 16, I owned a quasi business in an online game in which I held a monopoly in a particular area in the game's market. The developers fucked that all up by making a way to go around my monopoly, which made me hate intervention, which translated to government intervention in the economy.
Around that time, I hung around a bunch of so called "Intellectual liberal" kind of people. I was just a guy in the group. I didn't relate to any of them and as soon as my political beliefs came out years later, they dropped me like a sack of bricks even though I was friendly towards everyone of them.
And then after kissing up to women all throughout high school and having a girl who we had promised to marry ended our two year relationship through text nonetheless, I just got fed up with women and my interactions with them has never been the same since.
I still hold certain social beliefs, lately I have become against abortion in most cases, but I guess thats been my journey through the red pill....
>>78779120
>I am a pro-black nationalist
>>78775102
The unbearable faggotry of the "new left".
>>78779120
KILL YOURSELF!
NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!!!!!!!!!
>>78775102
As stupid as it sounds, 9/11. Sure I hated the government at the time. Thought right wing people would put us in another dark age. 9/11 showed me that there were people who were going to kill themselves to kill me. If that doesn't wake you up...
Authoritarian leftism
Policing of language
Scapegoating white males for every little problem while offering no actual solutions
Lack of accountability from minorities for things such as black on black crime, single motherhood, and glorifying/encouragement of thug culture
Statistics
Blatant bias in the media
Increased globalization when the world isn't quite ready for it
Hatred of their own country
Not wanting tax payers money of people who work for a living to go to people who choose not to seek employment and leach off the system. It's different in regards to disability/elderly/those who CAN'T work physically, but if you're able bodied and being a lazy fuck collecting checks from the government for no reason, go fuck yourself. I don't want that in this country.
Their arguments mainly being based on emotion and feeling rather than pragmatism.
Wanting to see Western civilization stay intact instead of being replaced by the way of life of third world barbarians
I could go on...
>>78779141
I was memeing, but I can't deny he helped me to see the bigger picture.
The newspaper in my town ran the headline "white cop shoots unarmed black teen" when mike brown died.
That was the real turning point.
>>78779120
SWEDEN YES
This is the most sweden post ever. He tried so hard to red pill himself and STILL ended up believing he is weak and that women want BBC
hahaha
>>78775102
Where are those slavic sex slaves I ordered?
>>78775102
Was never really leftist. Hate commies with a passion. That's the reason I also hate government with a passion, because democracy inevatably leads to commies or pseudo commies into power. I thought the answer to this is the libertarian way, but confrontation with reality showed, that a government forma naturally, if there is a power vacuum.
Being a believer in the evolutionary process, I had to accept, that some kind of government is needed.
I also believed in open borders, although I despised sand- and actual niggers from my heart. I thought that barriers like language, the absent of a welfare state and the fact, that immigrants are not liked would be enough to keep them in their countries. I pretty sure I was wrong.
That beeing said, I still believe in a libertarian way of live, small goverment and as open boarders as possible, but only for whites.
>>78777846
>>78778475
>needing to keep an eye on a religion because it is so shit compared to all the other religions that it allows hate preachers to exist in large quantities
>Other parts of the Muslim world aren't so rigid and stubborn
>7% of indonesia's muslims thinks it's fine if you sometimes/often use suicide bombing against CIVILIANS in """defense""" of Islam.
>>78779141
>Taking Brussels and Wallonia
VLAAMS FUCK OFF
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>78779120
>that flag
>that cuck logic
Is this some new copypasta?
>>78779165
Islam can't really reform without causing... grr... yet another doctrinal rift and endless internecine conflict.
Their religion tells them to kill apostates. And almost anything not specifically permitted by the koran can potentially be interpreted as apostasy.
Ergo, if a movement arises to try and make islam kinder and gentler, other muslims are going to fuck their face.
There is no concept of live and let live except in a few long-abrogated suras (which will nevertheless be paraded around as evidence of Islam's peaceful nature).
>>78775102
Believe it or not, it was actually feminism. I stared watching a bunch of videos making fun of feminists. Those videos led me to video making fun of the black lives matter movement. I finally got to Milo and Ben. Now, here I am. I wouldn't consider myself alt-right, but I'm definitely completely right wing now.
>>78778624
>You can't just assume all religions are the same
No, I'm Sikh myself and recognize that we aren't the same as the Hindus or the Muslims, but I do know that all humans are the same and seek the same things no matter where you go. Having an antagonistic relationship with 1.6 billion people will only lead to more elongated conflict.
>>78779145
Well, Buddhism isn't really a religion in the Abrahamic sense. It's more of a way of life. A governing philosophy to help alleviate suffering in life.
There's not really the same reward/punishment system adjudicated by an almighty deity like it is with even Hinduism.
I mean, for Buddhists, minding your own business and letting go of goals and desires is the key. Not sure where I'm going with this, but yeah, conversion and propagation of the faith aren't big and pivotal tenets of the Buddhist faith.
Abrahmic faiths, however, are very big on conversions and expansion.
>>78775809
Yup
/pol/
I am not even joking
At first I was literal communist
Then /pol/ turned me conservative, before they made me into a stormfag
Then, I turned to libertarianism, and later on went back into being conservative again
>>78779145
>>>/Burma/
>>78776108
Fucking Aryan as fuck looking dude
>>78776881
>>78776881
>the right's attempts to demonize Islam is misguided and will only elongate the problem.
We don't have to 'attempt' to do anything, they do it bloody well themselves.
>>78775102
I couldn't stand the down-right unamerican desire to suppress the voices of conservatives and right-wingers. The hatred, the zeal, the un-americanism became too much for me. "They're dumb, ignorance, white, old, racist, hateful, evil rednecks. We need to suppress them and prevent them from submitting their WRONG votes by any means, the end justifies the method"
I looked around me one day and realized that I am not these people, and these people are not mine own. I'm American. Freedom of mother fucking speech, the right to a fair and speedy trial alongside and the right to be represented in government offices.
It's why I ultimately didn't cast my vote for bernie. I'm voting Trump when I can. I want to see the looks on their faces at this point.
>>78775102
Economically I'm still a leftist, but I can't stand gender ideology nor their love for refugees/immigrants
I think history is the best argument for what people call "right wing" ideologies.
Probably why the left try their best to shape and change it to suit their own needs.
>>78778902
National socialism isn't nazism. Nazis were national socialists. Square and rectangles, buddy.
>>78778932
Multiculturalism doesn't work, even amongst whites. Both countries would be better off this way.
>>78779099
Prove me wrong.
I was a bit more left-leaning before I started coming here, but being a moderate has never changed. I'm still all for gay rights, civil rights, and all that jazz -- /pol/ has simply made me aware of the very people that tarnish the good principles of those legitimate movements. I took the idea of the redpill to heart, and it's a bit disheartening to see so many /pol/lacks misinterpret it these days.
>>78775102
It unravelled when it become increasingly difficult to justify the moral relativism that is inherent in the left. The idea that head-cutting, Christian burning, genocidal ISIS members simply have a different perspective from ordinary Westerners living decent democratic lives is a fucking joke. All Leftist politics is built upon exactly that assumption, though of course they would never admit it.
Upon realising this it put a lot of pressure on my atheism, which is similarly inherently nihilistic. (Again, atheists will try to deny this, but it just is.) This led me to Christianity, and that caused me to I move to traditionalist conservativism because it's the politics most concerned with upholding moral values and order.
I couldn't move to Libertarianism because I knew that """free markets""" are a vacuous crock that puts people's selfish desires above everythign else - just a different flavour of liberalism. Very ant-christian. That said I'm not a commie, I'm still in favour of trade and private property. Capitalism that is subservient to National interests and not the other way around is the best balance between personal autonomy and moral order.
Nothing. I was left-leaning once, but I went neutral.
Lefties are retards
Righties are retards
I don't want to associate with either of them.
It's best if I think for myself and form my own opinions.
>>78775102
the truth
>>78779617
Wait...You're the minister of Defense of Canada?
>all humans are the same
kek
as long as some populations think it's normal to blow yourself up in name of some desert god or mutilate their sons in that same name, I'll disagree that "we" are all the same, because their culture has made them different from us, just like ours has made us different from them.
>antagonistic relationship
>implying I don't want to trade or talk to them
I do, I just don't want them in my country. They're not useful to society, they bring in different values which undermine social homogeneity, they are a cancer to my country. I don't want them here, but I'm fine with them living somewhere else. Why are you only capable of seeing black and white?
>>78779674
are you 20 or something? i don't mean that offensively, just that younger people tend take in a lot of information and new points of view in politics, so many different ideologies can be seen as appealing. not that you should subscribe 100% to any ideology or anything. i'm sure your believes will become more fine-tuned with time.
>>78778433
Woaw, this was like within a year then.
Very recent conversion.
Seeing CNN (i think it was them) crew giving money to local gypsies to act as Albanian refugees on tv
Seeing how the news are created for the world, where countless Albanians were brought into a line, ordered to walk 10km for worldwide tv crews, coming back in the evening and repeating the sequence every single day
Whole Kosovo war would turn anyone right wing, there's no way normal person wouldn't get disgusted by the democratic West
Muslims.
>>78779902
>gay rights
>civil rights
Go the fuck back to r/The_Donald and never come back here, you fag-enabling nigger lover.
>>78775102
this
Growing up i was mostly left, after hearing one side of the argument and demonising the right wing for so long I began to see the hypocritical nature of politics.
Nowadays I just try to be objective about politics. I want to hear both sides of the argument.
With leftist ideologies being broadcast on TV and the MSM, I come to /pol/ for my right wing intake.
I don't understand why people vehemently protest one side or the other. Both have inconsistencies and failings, why cement yourself into one theology?
>>78775102
Delusions and weed don't last forever.
>>78779617
>but I do know that all humans are the same and seek the same things no matter where you go
I've seen bits of human nature that aren't so wonderful and pure. What the left calls racism is actually a very basic human cognitive process.
And please understand, I don't really hate Muslims... To be honest, I feel bad for them. The middle east was civilized before that religion came to power. All of the advancements that have been attributed to Islam were actually undertaken by pre-islamic populations that were later forced to convert or die.
It's heartbreaking, thinking how it could have been-- a modern, advanced group of countries on par with Europe, but with byzantine architecture and arabesques instead of gothic/neoclassical etc... that we got. It would be fucking wonderful. It would be like the civilization in the disney movie aladdin persisted to today, and they had universities and monorails.
I wish they could somehow throw off a (for lack of a better term) demonic religion that has them utterly enthralled.
>>78779683
A defensive conflict, a reaction to muslim incursion into their way of life. A huge shame how the west treats them.
>>78780089
Nothing wrong with either of those things. It's just overly-pc leftists that have doomed those movements to failure, since they don't know what they want. Blame the faggots.
>>78775809
mhm
>>78777045
Ayn Rand did it for me too. Which book was it?
SJWs
It's like imagining yourself at a rally where you're defending gay marriage or something and then all of a sudden someone gets up and starts screaming about how we should kill all white men, then you look around and see that everyone is agreeing.
Then suddenly it feels like you're looking at a completely different world, like someone literally pulled the wool from your eyes.
>>78779081
>Let's just be kind and slowly convert them to secularism, instead of insulting them and treating them as if they're a threat.
Look at you, little Trudeau. You know, the rest of humanity may not want to sit around and suffer through the few centuries it will take to secularize Islam, especially when it's being actively forced on western civilization.
When I realized the we cannot prevent the white extinction, and the BBC meme is not a meme at all.
Even those anons who suceed really well in life, will still support negroes with their welfare money, and they gf will either cheat on them with black men, or dated a black guy in the past that she will always remember fondly.
Literally the first political opinions I formed independently were the exact opposites of the leftist positions of the issues.
>>78778433
>I had a go pro censorship and protection of minorities.
He explained how we had gone from human rights that demanded that the state didn't meddle with people (leave people alone to worhsip who they want and say what they want) to rights where we expected the state to DO things, like provide housing, provide places to worship etc. He said we were moving to a third set of "rights" which was the right not to be hurt of offended, not by the state (which is the first version of human rights) but by other people. He also showed how in doing so we delegated more and more of our power as people to the state. Said also that in the US, the 2nd amendment is so important because people haven't yet transferred the idea of protection from violence TO the state, which we have done completely in Europe.
Explain this? How is an increase in state obligations towards the people and a loss of self-gouvernment a counterargument to pro-censorship?
>>78776179
>>78777901
"grew up" Yup.. same here.. I heard it like this one time..
"If you aren't Liberal at 15, you don't have a heart. If you aren't Conservative by 25, you don't have a brain"
>>78780182
You are nu/pol/, and your support of degeneracy is unwelcome. Next you'll be telling me the abolition of Apartheid was a good thing and Mandela was a brave noble guy.
>>78780182
You've taken the first step, but you have many more to go.
Soon you'll realise that being "overly pc" is the only way to maintain these things, then you'll wonder why people need to be herded and prodded like sheep in order to keep them going, then you'll realise the foolishness of Utopianism and Idealism, and move to Pragmatism. And from there to Conservativism.
>>78779617
And the reason I mention basic human nature is the Islam has absolutely perfected the way to appeal to the most feral, basic parts of human nature for its own propagation.
I don't want conflict with islam. I want a strong nationalism, closed borders etc... to keep it from spreading.
>>78779889
You're making the assertion. Proving it is up to you.
When I saw how much of a cuck Trudeau was after he got into office, the fact he let two citizens of ours die abroad at the hands of a shit-skin terrorist group in the Philippines and has done nothing so far to even avenge the death's of our countrymen.
Also Trump's honesty and what he says he'll do, such as make other NATO members pay the recommended GDP towards their military force, as someone who wants to join the Canadian Forces, this pleases me greatly.
>>78780461
Mandela was an incompetent old man and you are a faggot. You can feel free to relocate your lips to my vulgar meat rod any time, frogposter.
>be me
>marxist
>find pol
>be alt-right for 18 minutes
>go back to being marxist
>mfw this story is happening live
>>78780181
>A defensive conflict, a reaction to muslim incursion into their way of life
Muslims shit the bed where ever they go. They're genocided by Christians in Europe, Animists in Africa, Hindus in India, Buddhists in Asia. I'm pretty sure the Shintos would get in on the action if Japan would let the fucks in.
>>78779889
Gonna need some kind of source on the National Socialism claims, or else you're just memeing.
>inb4 listing random shapes
The redpill that black guys can shit on the streets, be murderers, be illitirate, unable to read, or even speak the language of the host nation, commit violent attacks, do crime, cheat on women, rape women, BUT STILL BE ABSOLUTELY LOVED BY WHITE WOMEN
>and
When law abiding good white guys doing everything right and even uphold society, gets called creeps/racists etc and wont be dated
>>78780039
I am 20 right now
I grew out of gommunism at the age of 18
>>78780565
>supports fags and niggers
>calls others faggots
Did the Klan Pepe trigger you, nigger?
>>78780533
>Also Trump's honesty and what he says he'll do
He lies constantly and changes his political opinions week to week. You can like him but don't do it for his "honesty".
>>78780122
Yeah man. I'm a huge fan of Libertarian ideology, but when people talk about privatizing the police and eliminating ALL military spending, I can't help but cringe at the idea that expect to be taken seriously.
>>78779120
>>78780322
Oh, Sweden.
>>78780288
You're getting there.
>>78780597
Funny, I was a Marxist, but then I realized that Karl was a memeing NEET. That drove me to conservatism desu
>mfw all these redpilled people last year thanks to /pol/
>>78780708
Supporting a group doesn't mean that you go out of your way to keep from offending them, especially when you're shitposting on a chinese cartoon bulletin board system
>>78780745
Proof?
>>78780520
Give me 50 years.
Quebec has enough ressources to be sef-sufficient. Thus, we shouldn't need any imports and could only export. The problem with that is our low population. This can be fixed by importing temporary workers and send them up north to exploit our ressources in exchange for fair wages.
>>78780610
Squares are rectangles, but rectangles aren't squares. National socialism is based off the idea socialism works when applied to a homogenous population with a strong unity based around the idea of a nation. Nazis were like that, but aren't the definition of national socialism.
>>78775102
Growing up and realising Socialism does not work
>>78775102
>The flag
>the 1 post ID
>all these newfags posting
Is it datamining or is it just straya' fucking around?
Are the shills learning? This is very deliberately confusing.
>>78777151
Islam demonize themselves. How can you not see that? If anything its the leftist media that downplays what happens as a direct result of Islams presence in the west.
No other migrant group causes as many problems as Islam. Theyre a fucking plague.
Ive always been right wing, but /pol/ taught me about the Jew.
>>78780745
Proof?
>>78780884
>chinese cartoon bulletin board system
>implying it's not a Cantonese canine cuisine forum
>implying you're still not a bluepilled faggot
>>78781007
stop posting potatonigger
>1 post
>>78779120
you people were once vikings, how are you not ashamed of yourself?
i really hope this is bait, but it's too long a post to be bait
>>78780745
Proof?
>>78777846
Secularisation is not the same as reformation. Reformation is an alteration of doctrine.
Secularisation is the transcendence of religious law entirely.
>>78780884
>chinese cartoon bulletin board system
>not a Mongolian Horse-hair Weaving forum
>>78781007
I was quoting someone who was a retard, everyone knows islam is cancer here.
LURK MOAR
>>78780745
Building a wall and stopping immigration from Muslims seems to be a constant however. Enough for me I guess
>>78775102
when i worked out how repulsively dirty, slimy and filthy the clintons are as well as how embarrassing wealthy they are. just their connections to soros and how much they pay to shill the media through companies like ruder fin, etc. how the fuck do they get away with it?
they have to be aliens or so demons are some new world order shit
oh and happy data mining, faggot.
>>78781004
They have pinpointed certain topics people like to talk about, I guess. You don't know if it'll be that kind of thread until about 50 posts deep when you're already part of a conversation.
>>78775102
When I realized that left is one big slave system that exploits and brings destruction to humanity for greed and selfish entitlement.
The lower class leftists are ignorant thugs who obey their upper class masters and beg for the scraps of welfare.
The lower class leftist will work hard to collect money and then throw it away to their upper class masters for frivolous materials and or consumables.
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Adidas-Yeezy-750-Boost-Mens-Size-11-New-DS-/201469392589?hash=item2ee882f6cd:g:a~AAAOSweW5U9m6T
This false progressive movement is sickening. It's nothing more than a cult of ignorant lower class people selling themselves out to feed a cult of wealthy exploiters.
The upper class leftists purposely influence a culture of ignorance to the lower class through the school system and media. They do it because the exploiters find ignorance and lowly educated people as great prostitutes and slaves for their system.
Any conservative who did not vote for Trump; in my book they are a leftist.
>>78781244
Yes yes, sorry, I was meant to reply to that other guy.
I didn't really change any beliefs, time marched on and I drifted to the center. The people on the left these days are nuts, screaming lies at everyone and acting like terrible people. Can't be a part of that, go Trump!
>>78780036
>Wait...You're the minister of Defense of Canada?
topkek, may you get your Nexit noble waterjew
>>78780322
what,a,tortured,and,delusional,life,you,must,live
>>78781244
Meh, he's an idealistic sikh, not a screeching SJW. He actually engages in debate rather than screeching racism at us.
Cut him some slack.
>>78775102
I was apolitical but pro-welfare state and open borders.
Why? Because I was a kid with no parents and no moral compass. The social workers of my orphanage were mostly liberal women so imagine a kid raised by a single mom x10.
Then, when I got out of there and I actually started getting empirical data into my brain and realizing the toxic effects of the left and the liberal agenda I started shifting and eventually acquiring better references and goals. Today, I reject the concept of right and left wing as I think the true debate is between an authoritarian or a liberal goverment. I personally long for an authoritarian nationalist goverment even if that means austherity, sacrifice and dedication.
I'd like to see the world change for the better, I'd like Spain to look more like the 80s-90s, I like people to recover their identities.
>>78775102
i was never really lefty, but i liked communism as a kid because it had some degree of nationalism and social order, and fascism was too stigmatized
>>78780036
Based swamp German.
>>78781518
And that kind of nationalistic communism no longer exists. It died with the Soviet Union it seems.
>>78781167
>>78781032
>>78780890
http://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien
Here's 101. Tell me DIDF, does he support or oppose universal healthcare?
>>78780438
>How is an increase in state obligations towards the people and a loss of self-gouvernment a counterargument to pro-censorship?
He didn't refute the pro-censorship, just showed me where my ideas came from and that the basic desire under that was the "I don't want to be offended by anything and anyone", i.e. not tolerating criticism. Since being in philosophy degree, being shown that you can't tolerate criticism is not a nice thing.
Anyhow, rest of the story:
I remember replying something about "but minorities are being unfairly targetted", to which he answered that there is a difference between criticizing a person and criticizing an idea.
Ideas must and should always be criticized, ameliorated and built upon, because that is the essence of philosophy. Ideas are open game. Racial slurs aren't, insulting someone on their skin color or sex is another thing. But today so many people confuse what they believe in, the ideas they invest with importance with what they truly cannot change, and there is a massive confusion. People will solidify beliefs into parts of their identity and think that they are criticized themselves when actually you are criticizing the idea. That's where to push pro-censorship comes from.
Anyhow, long story short, rather than go argument- counterargument sometimes it's more useful to point to someone that their arguments comes from invalid things that they themselves can't truly support.
>>78777592
You really don't know what you are talking about or you are just bait.
>>78777064
>canadian
>talks about foreigners
>>78781662
stalin was truly the best as far as commies go, cant even imagine how things would be if that crazy kike trotsky won out
>>78781666
>DIDF
Drumpf Internet Defence Force?
>Dailywire
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>>78777272
>I had to be on the receiving end of what I had done so often to realize what I had done.
This is how the progressive moment will implode.
>>78781855
Your point?
>>78780093
Which book Andesfag?
>>78781984
None too soon. Sometimes I go into full raging feminist extra troll mode just to get people to turn their back on it, I must admit.
>>78781918
>Drumpf Internet Defence Force?
Donald
>Dailywire
They site their sources. Nice non-argument, faggot. I guess it's easier than defending the indefensible.
>>78778463
>traditionalist conservatism
>opposed to hierarchy
makes no sense at all
>>78781666
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""fact""""""""""""""""""""" checkers.
Actually, it's the Daily Wire that is lying about Donald Trump.
But it's the media, what do you expect? They lie as easily as the rest of us breathe.
I stopped being a faggot. I wouldn't know when, how or why, it just happened.
>mfw im becoming a socialist
not the university gibsmedat kind, but the workplace democracy one.
>>78782175
What's his stance on universal government-funded healthcare?
>>78782297
Good, now enjoy /pol/ shoving it down your throat marxism is about diversity and wellfare.
I never did.
I'm a socialist.
I hate gay people, blacks, sandniggers and people on welfare.
>>78779120
>warm weather
>plenty of plants and animals
>Africans survive in the shittiest environment ever
lol
>>78775102
/pol/
