Should parents ever be allowed to physically discipline their child? if so, where is the line drawn from law perspective?
>>78768955
>Should parents ever be allowed to physically discipline their child?
Yes, and I think the line should be no permanent damage. No punching them in the head or pulling the ear, just the good ol' ass beating.
>>78768955
What kind of bitch ass parents from Florida used a flip flop? Some people should just have their kids taken away
>>78769140
Too severe?
I only ever got spanked by hand.
>>78769140
Spic here we get flip flop smacks from moms
>>78769210
Did they ever slip a finger in?
>>78769195
Not severe enough
Yes but not regularly. As in, it should only ever get physical if they REALLY fucked up.
There's far more emphasis to it if it's only used sparingly.
>>78768955
What do you do if the kid insists on sticking a pen into an outlet to see what happens?
You can't watch them all the time.
Physical punishment, or wait for them to die?
>>78769417
Are you a chimp? do you have the ability to think beyond anger->violence ??
>>78768955
Not that awesome? Da fuk?
Shit rocked because I knew not to fucking misbehave.
pic related, its what the guy who made that picture subscribes to.
>>78768955
>Should parents ever be allowed to physically discipline their child?
Yes. Look at millennials. No beatings has resulted in entitled brats.
>>78768955
>Flipflop
A hotwheel track?
>Spoon
A switch?
>Belt
Yeah, okay. Where is the machete?
>>78769491
Calm down, princess.
So you admit I'm right.
Was anyone on /pol/ NOT spanked or whipped as a child?
I'm against spanking.
What I find funny is how our society treats child abuse like it's this hugely immoral thing, yet we turn a blind eye when a parent is physically hitting his or her child as a punishment.
>>78768955
yes. kids are fucking awful.
however, violence only teaches obedience, nothing more. when you can, teach them.
manhandling is encouraged. if you don't you're retarded. this is because kids are retarded and will die if left to do whatever they want. so manhandle them.
SPANKING
OVER AND OVER AGAIN
SPANKING
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CHILD ABUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
SPANKING
>>78768955
A good rogering is the only suitable punishment for naughty boys
>pic related.
>>78768955
If you must use wrath to teach a lesson, you have not yet learned patience and kindness.
If you cannot outwit a child and show him why he is wrong, then you are probably the one who is wrong.
If a child is so young that he does not yet possess the sufficient intellect required for making choices, physically assaulting him is not in fact punishing his choices, because he does not perceive choice. He will not understand why you are hitting him, and it will inflict longstanding emotional trauma. The effect of this cannot be known by man, and therefore is TOO DANGEROUS to inflict.
Fuck, forget wooden spoon, I get my ass beat by my father, who had PTSD from war and if you made too much noise and woke him, he'd pin be down and choke me until I almost passed out at 10 years old.
If "child services" had known, sure I'd have been taken away but we don't believe in calling the law for anything.
>>78769825
This is a common viewpoint among those with no kids, or those with beta kids.
You'll never understand.
>>78768955
I got the belt, very rarely, from Dad when I had supremely fucked up. I only remember a handful of times ever.
My childhood was great. I probably should have gotten beaten more often.
>>78769825
It's obvious you don't have children of your own.
It's unclear whether or not you've ever interacted with someone else's children. I'm leaning towards no.
OVER 90% OF PARENTS SPANK THEIR CHILDREN
>>78769825
what if your kid is just a little shit, and the only way to teach em a lesson is to give em a good al spanking?
As a former hard headed hyperactive little shit, YES, physical punishment is acceptable.
I have thanked my dad on several occasions for whooping my ass when it was necessary. He would try the gentle approach first where things were explained to me, hoping that would be all that was needed to get me to settle down or stay out of trouble. If that failed, the leather belt would not.
>>78769140
watched my younger cousin get his ass flip flopped by my aunt just earlier today.
>>78768955
got the spoon as a child, was never 'beaten'
many times it DID make me think twice about misbehaving
obviously this was just when i was younger, as a teen my parents would just restrict access to videogames/ tv
>>78769895
>we don't believe in calling the law for anything.
What the fuck does that even mean?
>>78768955
I think children should be allowed to at least severely damage their abusive parents if not outright killing them.
>>78770211
I have 5 siblings and we were never hit by our parents
Only poor people hit their children and poor people's children are all fucked up to different degrees.
>>78768955
From dad. Belts, smack in the head.
From ma. slaps.
Until one day, a day i'll never forget.
>be little shit middle schooler
>givin' ma sass, arguing, usual stuff.
>call her a cunt and walk back into my room.
>she jumps on back pushing me into the ground.
>oh wtf
>proceeds to scream while continuously bashing my head into the floor.
>Dad has to rip her off of me
>look back in fear as she thrashes about wanting blood.
>wtf did you say to her!
>cunt
>what!
>takes off belt and goes to town.
That's the only time i've ever seen her so pissed off. Closest was when she berated a cop for pulling her over.
My dad swears she's gonna get tazed one of these days.
it takes a village to raise a child, so tell your neighbors to gather up for some free shit in the form of furniture from your misbehaved child, and tell all the neighbors how much of a trouble maker your kid is and your neighbors look of shame and disappointment or comments will give your kid the hint
mfw Parents smacking the shit out of their shitty breedspawn in public. Fuck you and your kids
>>78770561
Did they have you circumcised at birth, anon?
If you permanently damage the kids body, you fucked up
If you wail on your kid with the force you would an adult you're fighting, you fucked up
If you hit anything but the ass, you fucked up
If you didn't explain and make it clear why their ass stings, you fucked up
The act alone is usually enough to make kids feel bad. I know i never got hit by my mom, she delegated that to my dad so the one time I pissed her off enough to warrant her hitting me I knew I fucked up and felt like shit.
Be firm and try reasoning first if they don't get it then, then resort to a spank. Also don't hit little kids, they don't learn shit and that's just fucked up.
>>78770638
wtf aussbro? Yeah, yeah they did..
>>78768955
I was born in the 70's, my dad used to spank me pants down and bare handed, used to hurt like fuck, I respected my dad and feared like hell the spanking but the problem with spanking is that kids don't really think ahead, they're instinctive and just do stuff.
I had everything from spanking from my dad, meter-stick on the ass from the teacher, the cane on the ass and my mouth washed out with soap by the headmaster for calling the only black girl in primary-school a chocolate finger.
I was a shit in primary school, but grew up without a criminal record and manners, my dad always warned me never to bring a policeman to the house because then I really would have been in for a propper hiding, I feared and respected my dad.
>>78770670
What about slipping a finger in while spanking ass? your rule doesn't cover that..
>>78770709
i was i think 3 or 4 when i got circumcized
>>78768955
They should be fucking REQUIRED to physically discipline their children.
SJW cucks are the result of the lack of discipline.
>>78770576
Well played.
This thread is a waste of time.
Some people just can't understand that humans are all different.
>>78768955
Yes. Don't beat the shit out of kids but spanking should be fine. My parents never spanked me and I definitely deserved it on numerous occasions.
>>78768955
yes.
authoritarian parents teached me red pill starting from the age of 3.
if you are not spanked, then you are not eligible to be called redpilled.
you are either a normie or a gibs me dat "leftist".
TIME
TO
DEFOO
Kids are really able to think philosophical questions
>Abusive mother
>Abusive father
>Getting hit almost every day
>They used to both take turns slapping me around and then they went to have loud sex while I was left crying on the floor
>Ran away when I was 12
>Police picked me up a week later
>Told them why I ran away
>Nothing was done to parents
>They almost beat me to death the night I was returned to them
>Neighbour called the ambulance when she saw me outside after that
>>78770810
wtf is that guy's beard?
>>78768955
>not taking your child to the beach
>not cooking for your child
>not taking your child to church
>>78769417
hum so you think like a nigger, your son is going to grow up to suck nigger dick
That image is retarded desu senpai. And yes, spare the rod, spoil the child. Fucking pansy Leftist faggots.
>>78770955
>They used to both take turns slapping me around and then they went to have loud sex while I was left crying on the floor
Damn Estonia, serial killer when?
I used to get beat up on an almost nightly basis, by both parents, both of which were sober at all times. Supposedly, I started getting hit as early as I started crying, from what my sister told me. They would beat me up for things like getting a math problem wrong on my homework, forgetting to put the seat down when I pee, and my hair brush smelling bad (I got it really bad for that last one, it's why it stands out). My mom especially liked hitting me for anything; she would often punch me on top of the head over and over again for whatever minor infraction I did.
Fast forward 20 years, I now have permanent brain damage in my frontal lobe, which I now take certain pills for. I haven't talked to my parents in years.
I'm not going to have kids of my own. I'm afraid that I can't trust myself even with the pills I take, and if I ever had a kid and hit them, I would never forgive myself.
Hitting your kids in any way other than spanking is...horrendous. And I'd never wish it upon anyone.
>>78769250
Does the flip flop actually hurt? I would think it's just something that makes a loud noise. My mom used a thin piece of bamboo (chink).
>>78769825
You don't have any children, right?
It's like you believe that the thought process of children and the capability for abstract thinking is exactly the same as grown-ups have.
More than that, you also happen to believe that any adult can be reasoned with.
>>78770670
>hurting your child at all
>not knowing why your child must behave this way well enough to explain it to them
>having children at all if you hate them that much
Why not just abort them, you're the one who forced them to exist?
Usually when I fucked up as a kid my parents just showed me directly what the impact was for my actions
But when I fucked up beyond expectations I would get slapped
>hitting your child because you can't use reason or logic to show them why they are wrong
>not showing your child the virtue of patience
>teaching your child that violence is okay from an early age
Don't be surprised when they kill you.
>>78768955
wooden spoon tier reporting in
really, though I just hate them for the kike dick mangling because they are flat-out boomer retards
>>78770799
What if they do nothing wrong?
What if they're peaceful and just want to be left alone?
Why hurt anyone?
You're all a bunch of pussies, When I was a kid my dad made me kneel on a pile of uncooked rice
>>78771274
You like the way your doodle looks now though ?
I got the wooden spoon. It didn't really hurt since my mom would land the bowl of the spoon on my ass. It made a thump sound that seemed scary, but was actually just air being displaced.
Still scared me though.
>>78770799
SJW cucks are the result of single mother households.
Physical discipline is child abuse that results in similar outcomes as being raised by a single mother for a not insignificant number of children (approx ~30%).
Physical discipline is a cultural norm, and most of us were raised with it, but modern research on the subject shows awful side effects. It's not even necessary.
"B-b-but my kid is acting up!"
Are they old enough to be reasoned with?
> "No!"
Then they're either throwing a temper tantrum or crying. In either case, they're feeling emotions that they aren't able to process or control. The best way to deal with them is to snap them out of the emotion. How? Laugh at them. Laugh like what they're feeling is the funniest shit you've ever seen.
They're fucking two, nothing they've experienced is worth crying over. Nothing. But to them, it's literally the worst thing they've ever experienced. Laughter is contagious, and when they see you laughing at them - really, full on hilarious infectious laughter - it will snap them out of the emotions they're feeling. Works 100% of the time within 2-3 minutes.
> "Yes!"
Then teach them how to negotiate for what they want. A good solution must be (win) / (win) for both parties. Not (win) / (lose) or (lose) / (lose). If they can't negotiate a compromise, tell them to think about it until they come up with a solution.
JESUS IS THIS SHIT SO HARD?
You fucking imbeciles. NO - I DON"T WANT TO TALK TO MY CHILDREN - GET A FUCKING BELT OR STICK IMMA BEAT THEY ASS.
Shitty parents BTFO
Lightly. Not often either.
As a child I was beaten. Literally beaten. It among other things made me the anti-authoritarian I am today. If you don't want your kid to turn into a huge lefty that hates everything you believe in earn their respect through more than just fear.
I don't think if you smack your 5 year old on the hand and tell him to cut his shit out you are some kind of evil monster. They're going to cry like a bitch even if it wasn't that hard and it's going to have a psychological impact. By the time they're about 7-8 though that's not really going to work anymore.
Believe it or not children are capable of making up their own minds. You can't just smack them around and call it good. They'll turn out like I did. My dad would tell me to do something, I would wait for him to be gone, then I'd just do what I want. If the teachers called I erased the answering machine. I didn't respect him. It became about avoiding punishment above all else.
I left when I was 18 and it took me until I was 27 to mature enough to come back and see him and the rest of his family. I was angry over everything that happened and resented them all for a long time. Don't pit yourself against your kids. Don't damage their mental health either. It's really not worth it.
>>78771190
T childless neckbeard
That's exactly why I said reason first and resort to spanking as a final solution. Kids sometimes just don't get it and will not get it until something hurts.
>>78768955
I got spanked. I'm still a neet.
>>78771377
no kikedick is awful
>>78771313
That's some Asian-tier disciplining
I was never once hit in the houses I lived in growing up despite being a trouble maker as a kid and I grew up fine. I would have taken a beating over being grounded from video games any day.
>>78768955
Ahaha my mom used to beat me up with her broom.
Actually not that funny.
>>78771415
Sounds like you didn't get spanked enought
>>78771504
White parents, but dad was born in China so maybe some influence there
>>78771504
He's gotta be Asian. What white family just has an abundance of rice?
>>78769825
I appreciate my parents for hitting me as a child because I'm not a stupid nigger so I can look back and see that I was acting wrong or dangerously.
I was a good kid and not a little shit so I didn't get beaten
They punished me with taking computer time away (I fucking loved our family's windows 3.1 machine) so that kept me in line
>>78771651
I got beaten until my ass cheeks turned purple. I hope one day I meet someone who says something like that to my face. If people believe in violence they should be always ready to engage in it right?
>>78771892
>I got beaten until my ass cheeks turned purple
G-go on...
>pic related
>>78770259
snitches get stitches
>>78768955
Yes. I was smacked as a kid and I hated it at the time, but now i am really glad I was.
The Human body and mind responds to physical stimulus.
If someone makes loud noises at me, I will never learn that fire is hot. But if I touch that fire, or the stove I will learn never to do that again.
Time-out and loud noises don't create a trauma that the mind can associate with a negative behaviour.
There is a reason the skin is the largest organ on the body and why every inch of it is covered with pain receptors. Your body has a feedback mechanism to train your brain which actions are good for you and which ones to avoid.
Reward systems can only incentivize good behaviour, but they can never discourage bad behaviour.
If all those SJW kids were smacked when they were being entitled, spoiled brats, you wouldn't have the problem you see on University campuses in the US.
I was physically punished to a minimal degree a few times when I was younger, I'm sure my father figured out that it wasn't right (This is what his father did to him)
Later on when I was a teen, he resorted to passive-aggressiveness and denying me priviliges.Such as no allowance, not staying out late, and I never had a computer until I was 17, after years of begging for it.
The second approach worked, now I want to be like him and as successful like him. He was a musician for his early years (like me), started his own sound/lighting *live* buisness at 30 and then went on from there. Owns several properties, 2 that he rents out across Canada.
>>78771072
Thankfully they both died of CO poisoning in the house while they were sleeping, they said it was faulty lines or something.
>>78768955
i got spanked when i was a kid and now i watch cuck porn regularly. i don't discipline my wife's son like i was because i don't want him to turn out like me.
>>78770955
shouldnt of ran away faggot. and you should have behaved and obeyed their authority. a rod is for the backside of children
>>78772232
It wasn't to punish me they were just sadistic fucks who got pleasure out of beating me
>>78770955
Fucking commie police
>>78772152
lel
>>78768955
Welts is too far. A very rare instant pain if it was a huge no no. If your positive reinforcement has failed it's time to step it up after the spanking, it is literally your fault for allowing another authority figure (who doesn't care as much) to preside over them.
>>78772103
That sounds like the right thing to do I think. I kinda wished my parents were like that when I grew up. It was either excessive force or nothing with my father or nothing with my mom. I spent all my time on the computer and dropped out of high school. Before that I had serious mental health problems developing, just snowballing until I turned into a suicidal mess.
I asked my mom to take away my computer from me when I was fucking up in school. She said she didn't want to be like that. She didn't want to be all strict like her mother blah blah blah... The whole I need a parent not a friend thing didn't really occur to her.
Now I'm trying to teach myself how to be a functioning adult. I am learning how to cook. I volunteered to help clean my grandparents houses just for the experience. I hate it. I am doing it despite the fact I hate it. Being a NEET is easy. It's bad for your mental and physical health but you don't have to do anything except what you want. I just don't want it anymore. I want a job and a house and space. I don't want to live with my family members anymore.
Consider yourself seriously lucky.
Different kids react differently to different forms of punishment and discipline. My father was the reasonable one, he would always sit me down and explain what I did wrong, and what he was going to take from me and for how long as punishment. That worked. My mom on the other hand would fly into a rage and hit me a lot while telling me how worthless I was. I've barely spoken to her in the last 8 years since I moved out and if I ever have kids of my own and my wife does to them what my mom did to me, I'll kill her.
>>78772152
>Thankfully they both died of CO poisoning
Well I guess all's well that ends well !
>>78770670
>leave permanent damage
That's why you beat them with a sack full of oranges, leaves no marks to get you in trouble and you get fresh juice afterwards
>>78769624
I was only once.
I was an autistic child that never went against my parents.
I don't think parents should discipline their children at all.
Leave it up to the state.
>>78772152
That's oddly coincidental wouldn't you say?
>>78769277
No, no. You've got it wrong
That only happens in the southern states
>>78769100
Out of curiosity what does ear pulling do?
>>78768955
I grew up in the shadow of a wooden spoon. The sound of it sliding out the vase thing my mom kept it in was enough to send me running and end whatever tirade I was on.
I will spank my kid if he won't respond to anything else or if he intentionally hurts someone. Not enough for him to cry though, as I can't stand the feeling of doing that. He gets smacked on the cheek if he says something genuinely hurtful. He's very well behaved, and I rarely have to do any of this. It's enough to tell him I'm taking his privileges or toys away the following day.
Word of warning here. The old over-the-knee thing isn't just to humiliate the kid. If you don't do that, you can miss their bottom as they recoil and hit somewhere sensitive and possibly land on their lower back and their spine.
>>78770955
Sorry for your shitty childhood, anon. Never let those fucks near your kids. Also don't not have kids because of those fucks.
>>78770753
I'm sorry but agreed, administering pain when the child is confused is fucking bullshit. Only if they've already been disciplined in other ways and insist on being a total asshole about it should that ever be necessary. In most cases the threat of lost privileges or having toys taken away should be enough.
my grandpa (rip) broke my dads leg when he was 4 (couldn't shut up) and me he left in my asscheek a hole with a thick electric cable (you are sick) because if i remember i didn't want go back from my grandma house (she is white).
Good times.
Now I understand why /pol/ is so fucked up
i am retarded now, duh
>>78768955
Yes, of course. Any parent needs to resort to at least a slap on the wrist at some point in their childrens' lives, and I don't mean that in the pussy metaphorical way. It doesn't just teach a child that there are consequences to their actions, but also to be able to read a situation in the simplest of manners before fucking up. Parents just need to learn when it is and is not appropriate to resort to physical punishment.
>Slipper
>abusive
Flipflops are nothing. My mother broke a wooden spoon on me once. I'd have killed to have had her use flipflops in its place, and to not have spent 30 minutes having splinters pulled out of my ass.
>>78772561
Don't let yourself down, It can happen for you. Just realize that because of your upbringing you are blooming late. But, better late than never. You need to internalize certain values more-so than others that were brought up with them
>>78768955
if you beat your children, there's something wrong with you and your child. i never got hit as a child, and the one time my dickhead neighbor threatened to hit me, my dad punched him in the nose for it. the simple solution is to just have kids that behave well and are polite.
btw, if you have kids/get married, you cucked yourself.
As someone who was belted, spanked, slapped and spooned as a child (and it was well-deserved), I still support physical punishment.
Children should know fear.
>>78771274
>>78771377
>>78771477
I was on the fence about circumcision for a while, being circumcised myself and in hindsight influenced by a feeling that not doing what my patents did would condemn them somehow.
My wife's OB/GYN couldn't be present for the birth, which was early, and another from her office presided over the whole thing. At some point I asked her what she thought about this, and this doctor who was a young Asian woman told me my son might not feel right being different from me, and it might be awkward for him to be different from his peers.
In the maternity ward they gave us a pamphlet about circumcision and it kept referring to "the wound." Cleaning and caring for the wound and whatever problems the wound might present and I thought dear god how can parents look at that word and hold their baby and think oh yeah let's do this?
>>78773717
It was a starting point of me disliking most kikes. This is entirely their fault it ever became a practice in america, and they shill it to this fucking day.
It's a testament to just how kike subverted America has been for at least 90 years.
>tfw you were in grade school and even the teachers had paddles to spank you with
Nowadays teachers can barely even tell a child they are wrong for fear of upsetting them and having some type of trans-grapefruit genderkin bigotted hate-speech scandal.
Where did it all go wrong...
Yes. Bruising.
You can easily discipline a kid without bouncing them around the fucking room or even leaving a mark but still making your point known.
That being said it has diminishing returns above the age of like 7 and if your kid is 8+ years old and is still too retarded to not understand / capitulate to other forms of discipline (corner, taking their toys, grounding ect) you've fucked up as a parent.
Also there is a proportional relation between the age you continue physically disciplining and the likelyhood of them developing a BDSM / Incest fetish. Have fun with that.
>>78768955
What does this image mean?
I loved days at the beach, baking with my mom, and getting my first suit.
>>78773233
tears the flesh between the ear and the face, damages the bones in the ear, can lead to hearing trouble, infection and deafness.
>>78768955
At the very least, let the kid know why he's getting beat and don't make a sport out of it.
>>78772561
>>78773490
Late bloomer here. Never fully bloomed, but I made it work after a few decades of flopping around on the sand. Keep on keepin' on seconded.
>>78773837
Somehow Firefox knows to put this shit in my Absolutely Disgusting folder. Sorry about your li'l fella, anon.
My dad kicked me off the stairs once for finding some weed in my pocket. Things like that are a line for me.
My parents if they got mad they would get really mad, like they could throw dishes to you. I had fights with my dad (who is an alcoholic and would enrage if you even mention the word) where he was screaming that he would tear everything down.
I was a good kid though, I never got beat but my parents were very degrading. A C wasn't a B, a B wasn't an A so it was never good. They could whine for hours that if I didn't get A+'s that I would end up on the street with no money, that I would become a drug addict and they would be disappointing so badly. Like literally days of talk like that over a grade or over not doing a chore. It fucked up my self esteem really bad. When I was 18 I said fuck you and I kept all my grades and everything to myself.
>>78773144
Most of you kikes are up north and in cali. Nice try ringfinger.
Yeah, though only on the ass, or if they're really bad, a slap across the face. Corporal punishment is okay, though it shouldn't be the first thing you go to. It's also really important to explain to the kid why you're spanking them, and why what they did was bad. Otherwise, they will not learn their fucking lesson.
>>78772889
It's nice to see you back from the dead, Bing. When's your next record coming out?
>>78771424
No, you got it all wrong, GAS is the final solution.
physical punishment is for when the child puts their life or someone else's life or if they behave in such a way that their physical safety or that of others was compromised. outside of that, physical punishment is fuckin retarded. if you cant train a human to behave appropriately with non-physical positive and negative reinforcement, youre an uneducated moron when it comes to child development and psychology. you spanking a child for annoying behavior is like a physician in the 21st century performing blood-letting to treat the flu. you really have no idea how stupid spanking is for annoying behavior. youve failed as a parent.
>>78773942
The wrong side won WW2
>>78773717
I'm circumsized and pretty sure my dad isn't.
Weird, right?
>>78777613
Your dad is scum.
>>78777650
He served 20 years as an officer in the US Air Force.
>>78769624
Hello.
its illegal to harm a child in my state. all children are sacred and since the time we hit school were told by teachers to tell them or call the police if our parents ever hit us even once.
>>78771407
>The only negative consequence for bad/dangerous behaviour is being laughed at and 'negotiating' until you get what you want.
Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to "How to raise children into violent, fucked up adults that think everything is a negotiation until they 'win' 101".
OR
>How to raise a SJW.
>>78778544
>Don't hit your kids
>Be surprised when they shoot up their school with your stolen guns
>>78778544
>remember children, inform on your parents. they cant tell you what to do, only we can
