Should voting have an upper age limit?
Our current laws regulating voting were made back when people died before they could become stupid.
Because of that and young people growing more mature every day I think we should reconsider our current model of "everyone over 18 can vote". Lower the minimum age and put an upper limit like 55.
>>78762353
If you up it from 18 to 40 sure
>>78763322
Lets not get crazy.
Upping it from 18 to 30 should be fine.
>>78762353
I agree, old farts here vote socialist, young people vote for right-wing parties. It should be from 10 to 25.
Heil Hitler.
>>78762353
Who's that? She's cute
>>78762353
No. Because age is is no guarantee of intelligence. You can have a 19 year old college student who is smart and capable of critical thinking, and you can have a fucking retarded 40 year old who will vote for the same party/leader regardless of their policies just because they share some arbitrary view like "gibs me dat" or "being pro life" or "they gon take muh guns away." And of course, these positions can be reversed. Lowering the minimum age also is not a good idea because teenagers are stupid, gullible and very easily manipulated.
>>78763751
>she
>>78762353
>No taxation without representation
Any one old enough to tax is old enough to vote.
>>78762353
The fact that they think a democracy requires an age limit shows that young people aren't in fact getting more mature, just more commie.
>>78762353
>People are born geniuses and only get dumber because of age.
>>78762353
Let's also ban cancer patients from voting because it's not their future either. Planning to move abroad? Not your future.
>>78762353
We should make it where the elderly, women, and shit tier skinned people cant vote.
>>78762353
young people are stupid, you'll realise this when you're older
>>78763972
People on (((welfare))) shouldn't be allowed to vote then.
The younger you are, the less intelligent you are.
Sure, at the opposite end your mind can start to go, but keeping people with mental illnesses from voting is very different from keeping old people from voting.
I'm all for that, actually—if you have a mental illness, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Or own a gun. Or drive.
That'd keep senile old folks from voting, but also bar lots of disgusting liberal/SJW and transgender slime from having a say in things they do not understand.
>>78762353
only those 24 through 54 should vote
Why don't we just revert to landowners again?
>>78763751
>>78764293
The problem is that mental illness is way too vague, and then the government can just label anyone as having a mental illness to prevent them from owning a gun.
>>78764293
>if you have a mental illness, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Or own a gun. Or drive.
And what constitutes a mental illness? Who decides that? A gun grabbing government or a hadji doctor on an H1B visa that doesn't like your politics?
Don't you think that may discourage people who can be helped and are just going through a bad time from seeking the treatment they need because they know they'll have basic rights stripped from them?
>>78762353
>Should voting have an upper age limit?
Yes, 17.
>>78764225
Oh god it would be amazing if this were the case.
>>78763751
'He's cute'.
>>78762353
Should brought it back to military service men only ttbh
>>78764382
this desu
>>78764847
Why? people still work beyond 54
>>78764551
>>78764608
I'm in no place to determine what a mental illness is, or what mental illnesses make one incapable of properly understanding the world around them. That's up to the presently nonexistent committee in charge of this pipe dream to figure out.
It is still a better option than simply banning old people from voting, owning guns, or driving, that much is undeniable.
>>78763751
>she
Anon, I...
>>78764481
>Land-owning, military-aged males only
lefties would have no chance desu
>>78762353
>Should voting have an upper age limit?
You sound just like the cucks that voted remain to the EU and then started facebook crusading about how old people had a say in their country's future when they lost
>>78764955
If they have a mental illness that debilitating as to interfere with their political alignment, they probably won't be able to find a polling station anyways. And besides, there aren't enough of those to sway the vote in any meaningful way.
If anything voting age should be raised to 25 or once they are out of the school system and in the workforce.
Thus no welfare recipients can vote.
Upper limit at 80, you should retire and just live your life by now.
If the argument is that old people aren't going to live as long with the results of their vote, let's ban cancer patients from voting, see how well that goes down with the left
>>78762353
Should we take away democracy from the people who fought for it?
of course not faggot. only retards would think this
>>78765177
Unless if you are still working beyond 80 you still have the right to vote
MEN ONLY
There I've destroyed the majority of muh feels/refugees political parties. Women almost always on average vote left.
Prove me wrong, protip you can't
>>78762353
35-65 sounds about right, and must be a positive taxpayer.
>>78763751
>she
>checks flag
nothing surprising here.
>>78764955
The topic of this thread is purposely absurd. You don't need to make a concession to a premise like that. You just say No.
>>78762353
yeah! only people between 13 and 18 should be able to vote!
>>78765582
>flag
What are you?
>>78765793
When I think about it, you're right. It is absurd. Older generations are voting for their children. The ones who cannot vote yet.
>>78762353
Raise voting age to 25+. Anyone under this has likely never worked or only worked a few short years. People under this age are largely products of social programming and likely haven't made original thoughts yet.
Only people with taxable income can vote, welfare income is not included.
Before you are allowed in the voting booth, you have to answer a random 2 question questionnaire at the door, example:
>1"Who was the first Prime Minister/President of our Country?"
>2"Name an important export from our country"
Failing this will cancel your voting illegibility and you go back home and sit this one out.
Voting is now mandatory.
There I fixed it.
>>78766498
eligibility, I should say
One other thing. Those raising a family can vote, even if they're on welfare.
However, those votes are stored in a completely separate pool. These votes are only factored in, if there is ever a draw or it's way too close (like 49.5/50.5% etc)
>>78762353
>Our current laws regulating voting were made back when people died before they could become stupid.
People didn't all die when they were 40, the high infant mortality rate causes average lifespan to be not indicative of how old people were when they died to age related causes
>>78764225
Don't be silly. People on welfare pay shit loads of tax, on booze, cigarettes, and gambling.
If anything, they should have more of a vote
>>78767954
Some proof to my statement
By reading the chart you can see at 1850 your life expectancy was 38 at birth, but if you lived to be 10 you were expected to live another 48 years
>>78764293
Coming from the youngest nation in the world, and quite probably, the most mentally ill to boot
The lower age limit needs to be raised quite a few years.
>>78765972
one of the last parts of our Empire
>>78765582
That flag is Cayman Islands if I am not mistaken.
>>78762353
only people that agree with me should be allowed to vote
>>78762353
We should go backwards undo enfranchisement.
Property and age requirements for men. at least 25-30.
No vote for unmarried women, voting only allowed through marriage to a property owning man.
>>78762353
>I have a degree in womyn's studies and sociology
>I'm so much more intelligent than those stupid old white people
>>78769868
Well that would never work for the United States, property is too expensive and most housing has been moved to apartments, you would need to restructure the entire housing system to make such a thing work, otherwise only the wealthy would be able to vote. Hell I know people that own their house and are going to need to sell them because rising property tax is pricing them out of the area.
>>78762353
>Lower voting age
How about no? Fuck you want kids that have not even finished highschool voting? Fuck no, if anything move it up.
There should be no upper cap on voting rights, there is no upper cap on holding office, moving the voting age back to 21-25 is an idea, but it would need more study before being pushed forward, but people at the 18-20 range tend to be short sighted and selfish and not know what they want in the world, I know a good number of 20 somethings that have changed their fucking major multiple times because they don't know what they want to do and rushed into collage too soon.
Someone who is declared mentally unfit should not be allowed to vote, if they are not in sound mind they can not make a sound decision.
>>78770266
>otherwise only the wealthy would be able to vote
That's the point.
>>78762353
No. How is it right to stop older people voting after they have spent a lifetime slaving away and providing for the young?
>young people growing more mature
You're baiting, right? Young people are a bunch of indoctrinated sjws without any critical thinking skills.
>>78762353
sure, if we can get an age of consent lowered. After all, young people are growing more mature everyday!
>>78763464
25 then you are ready devloped if you arent mature then you wont be at 30.
>>78762353
You should have to pass a competency test, which would weed out anyone too senile to think and too millennial to think.
>>78763972
This
For the ability to vote, all you need to do is bring in your tax slip.
This way, if you're a 12 year old and passionate about politics, get a job and get taxed.
>>78764225
Exactly
>>78770387
>That's the point.
That's stupid, if you disregard the majority in favor of the minority, because yes there are and will always be more poor people then rich, and with modern economics and population growth property ownership is going to decline more and more, then you will encourage the lower rungs to act out against a rule they see as unjust, all it does is give them something to be outraged against.
>>78763849
Yes and you can have a smart 11 year old. But a voting system aren't adepted for people out of the norm, a voting system is made for the general population. Therfore the age should be 25 when most brains are fuly developed.
>>78770571
This. It doesn't even have to be complicated. Just basic shit. If you don't have a rudimentary understanding of politics (which a depressing number of people don't) you are not fit to decide the makeup of the government.
>>78770913
It would never get passed in most western nations though, hell in the US we used to have literacy tests in some states and those were done away with because they were felt to be infringing upon the rights of people to vote.
>>78768193
And where do they get this mony from, If they live on welfare? Could it be the states mony they are spending?
Make the voting age 21.
Fixed.
Old enough to drink, fuck, be educated, and be away from their parents (hopefully) enough to know how the world works. Any NEETs or welfare niggers can get the fuck out.
>>78770860
How about only landowning males over the age of 25? Perhaps make an exception for business owners and highly educated people?
>>78762353
Suffrage should be constricted by other means rather than age.
>>78764692
wha
>>78762353
>young people growing more mature every day
Pfft have you seen the average 20 something year old student? They act worse than actual children.
>>78771295
He is probably just stupid and doesn't know what upper limit means.
>>78764036
Does Jaden Smith still does shit like this?
18 is way too young. It was originally 18 because at that age, men in the 1800s already were married with jobs and kids. They were heads of households who deserved a say in public policy.
Now, 18 year olds are just getting out of the brainwashing camp that is public high school and are far more detrimental to the political process than they would be had they dropped out of high school and worked a job for 4 years before considering the impact of their vote.
18 years old now is the 11 years old of our forefathers... the age when boys' balls just begin to drop, NOT an age where they should be allowed a say in public policy.
>>78762353
The lower age limit should be raised to 30.
Jesus Christ, liberals lose one referendum and immidiately want to revoke rights from people.
The human brain isn't even fully fucking developed until well into your twenties, so be happy that you are even trusted with voting at 18.
>>78762353
This man is your typical Italian. Notice how poignant. Refined. Intellectual. And funny. Is this post
>>78762353
>Should voting have an upper age limit?
No. It should certainly have a higher minimum age limit. Fucking 18 year olds voting when they've never paid a penny in tax and won't even finish their physical/mental development for years.
Raise minimum age to 25. Also, you can only vote if you're a working taxpayer in a non-public sector/government job.
Once you hit 45 if you're not married with children you lose your right to vote because you've failed to produce the next generation whcih is needed to support you in your old age and cannot be relied upon not to vote selfishly for your own benefit and against what is good for the country and society at large.
>>78771197
As long as the elite dosen't get to mutch influence. The elit are in their possesions for a soul reason becuse they only care about their mony. Just think of the endles shilling from the elit about globalism just so they can stack a few more billion ontop of their pile. They don't care about things like pride, cohesion and duty. The elit are the most degenrate whites you can find, just think about all the pedo scandals that break the news now and then about huge pedo rings. Down with the elite and let the comon man work togheter with the inteligent man. Lets cut out the midel man.
>>78762353
Male
Military or clergy service
Property owner
>>78772059
We Starship Troopers now?
I think people should have to undergo some simple, basic exam before being able to vote. You fail, you lose the right to ever vote again. Difficulty: middle school, not rocket science. It's incredible how many people get to vote and how few of them actually know for what they vote. I'm pretty sure less than 50% of the general population knows what a president can and cannot do in terms of politics.
>>78765582
This is because Brazil has the best tranners.
>>78772177
naw, just back to basics. no point in letting people who have no vested interest in the country have a say in how its run. make the requirements to run for office the same as well.
>>78762353
55? 55 is still too early for mental defficiency bro. I'd get it if you said 80. Or is it just that your opinions don't align with this age group. Fuck you, if that's the case.
In general, I think that voting should be bound to citizenship and paying taxes. How come some college SJW who is leeching off daddy's money and has never worked a day in his life can have the same voice as his professor? Shit ain't right yo. If you pay taxes, you get to vote.
Only males older than 22 are allowed to vote after mandatory military service.
There, I fixed it.
>itt everyone tries to be a politician
I'm glad you're all NEET nerds posting from mom's basement, because if any of you fucks were to get real power in your country, it would go down the shitter faster than loose stool. Please, for the love of god, never become politicians, you would ruin the world.
>>78772581
What about people unable to serve? I know people that wanted to serve but were turned down because of medical stuff like color blindness, or asthma, hell I know one guy that got accepted but was told he could not be a GI because of a medical condition he had but they would accept him as something else, he told them no, because all he wanted to do was be a GI.
>>78773063
Clergy
>>78772995
That's gonna change when Trump gets elected.
And as you can see, Brexit was the right choice.
Cuckposter BTFO
>old enough to serve in military and get taxed
>not old enough to vote
What a shit idea.
>>78773558
>old enough to be taxed
Anyone can be taxed, it does not differ based on your age.
>>78773665
You know what I mean.
Old people are wise. Old people genuinely care about their country and the youth of their country. This bullshit from the left attacking old people is bullshit.
And I am neutral on Brexit, since I am not a citizen of the UK. None of my business.
Absolutely not. The voting age should be raised slightly and it should be restricted to people who have at least a high school education and either have a job or very recently unemployed and searching.
There is no reason uneducated, entitled leeches should be allowed to enforce their will on others.
>>78770668
They will stay content as long as you can entertain them and keep them supplied with food and mundane stuff. Their only concern is that they are better off than their neighbors and if nobody owns anything then nobody will care about ownership. Billions of humans are controlled with this way right now and most of them are content in their life. I'd say that big portion of them are happy even when living in poor neighborhood and driving over five year old car. Off course they dream off something bigger but are made to believe that it is beyond their grasp so they will focus on something different.
>>78772995
You can't become an eminent politician by being an idealist today anyway, most of them don't believe a single word they say, that's why they have no issues to constantly betray their voters.
House of Cards is a bit exagerated way to show it (because I doubt Obama is a serial killer and because most people don't give a shit about corruption sadly) but the mindset is the same: it is all about PR, exchanging favors and destroying your direct opponent to be reelected, preferably in a bigger chair.
But even with that politicians are weaker than ever, Obama, Hollande, Cameron, they seem so weak and compared compared to what we got in the past.
>>78762353
B8/gr8
If anything 18-24 yo should not have the right to vote because most of them probably have not worked a single day in their life and they are still in their dude free shit lmao phase.
And this comes from a 22yo,not from an old fart.
>>78762353
Back in the 70's the boomers said that when all the old people died they could finally live in a peace loving hippie utopia.
Guess what happened.
>>78763464
25 is objectively the best lower limit for voting age.
>>78770266
>property is too expensive
In democrat hellholes.
>>78773558
Being mature enough to decide the future of a country and fucking around in a sandbox are entirely different things.
Someone post the pic that says "haha ignore my grandpa, he may have lived longer and experienced much more but he doesn't read huffpo like me"
>>78774846
As the world population grows property will get more and more expensive as there is less and less of it to go around, is this concept hard to understand?
Or does your ideal state enforce population control?
>>78762353
Why not just use some sort of aptitude test to obtain a voting licence. Every few years you have to pass the test again in order to renew your licence.
>>78762353
can we ban niggers, sandniggers, coons and kikes from voting as well?
>>78776241
Only citizens can vote
>>78762353
>Our current laws regulating voting were made back when people died before they could become stupid.
This is so dumb. You don't think earlier societies knew about senility? Read King Lear.
>>78762353
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRLwV2xafpk
>>78764545
they're the same "girl"?
i thought i'd seen OPs pic elsewhere and she's some dyke
>>78776549
If you reverse image search you'll find it comes from a reddit thread about trans passing
>>78771594
holy shit this
public high schools are the single worst thing to ever happen to society
>>78776285
Can we ban faggots and retards like you from voting?
>>78765066
t. this
>>78776920
I mean think about it Itafag you aren't going to reproduce and you are obviously too stupid to make decisions about anything bigger than what's for breakfast so why should you vote?
>>78770413
After seeing you brits blow your load on social media over Briexit and how awful democracy is, I can see it now. It's actually sad how fucking indoctrinated the next generation is. We went from questioning the media to
>everything my trendy online news source says is completely true OMG I'm so scared and mad BTW I'm 14 but I should be allowed to vote because things that other people told me are bad wouldn't happen"
>>78762353
BAN ALL TWITCH ADDLED MILLENNIALS FROM VOTING
BAN ALL SENILE OLD FUCKS FROM VOTING
ONLY I GET TO VOTE, BUT THEN I WON'T TURN OUT CUS FUCK IT
>>78762353
Voters should have some stake in the process. An arbitrary age limit would be obviously immoral but you could require voters have payed their taxes, though.
If you're too poor to pay the income tax, you have too little agency and your vote could be easily bought with gibsmedat money.
>>78776920
>>78777111
stay assmad nigger. nice digits though
Only heterosexual White males over 25 should be able to vote.
The younger you are the more 'naive' you are of the world, not less intelligent.
If you've put into the system you should have a voice/vote regardless of age.
But anyone who says otherwise deserves a bullet in the head.
Why on earth should a 60 yr old not be allowed a vote when they've worked all their life, paid more taxes and experienced more of lifes trials, events and obstacles?
They've ruined my life, my generations future? - well sorry but the world doesnt revolve around you.
>>78762353
Moot question. You could never get a law passed saying at a certain age you lose the right to vote.
>>78777590
I'm not mad I'm just stunned at how bad the education system has gotten in first world countries, I come from the third world and even I'm ashamed for your country.
>>78763751
I actually know this girl. She really is a girl, not a trap. But the last I heard of her - some years ago now - she was a Long Island Jewess by the name of Lauren van Manen with pretty much the political opinions you'd expect of a Long Island Jewess. Either the MAGA hat is shooped or she's lost her mind (which certainly wouldn't be a bad thing, as it wasn't much of a mind and - if this is real - she's found a much better one.)
>>78777943
SA is a first world country
Ireland is third world
Go destroy some more statues of da rasis whitey in your uni
>>78778061
"SA is a first world country, Ireland is third world"?
Holy shit you really are retarded.
>>78777652
This
>>78762353
You can vote and get other rights at 18 because you are out of high school. Min voting age should def be raised, as should be the age for many other 'rights'.
Landowners over 30, fuck the rest
>>78778181
>you really are retarded
Yet you're the one who wants non-citizens to be allowed to vote and clearly don't know what 1st/3rd world means.
>>78762353
Maybe young people should just actually vote instead of just shitpost until the polls open and then just fap or whatever.
>>78778278
1) I never said that.
2) I clearly understand how they work more than you.
>>78778001
there's a gif floating around of xir bouncing xer feminine penis around
i didn't save it, for obvious reasons
>>78762353
It should have a production limit.
If you're not a net payer to society you shouldn't have a say.
So fuckety bye shitskin leeches and unifags.
>>78776705
It's not even passable in that second image. You can see it's just a skinny dude with a wig/long hair. Bone structure, no breasts etc. Degenerates.
>>78778278
The cold war definition doesn't apply anymore.
>>78762353
So the break down of your suggestion is:
> The demographic that agrees with my views are younger people
> Lets open voting to younger people and restrict it from older people
All you are suggesting is to cut out demographics that don't agree with you.
It's exactly the same as me wanting to up the voting age limit to over 25 and then give you some bullshit reason like "they are mature enough by that age to begin influencing society". But what I'm really doing is just cutting out swathes of voters that I don't agree with.
Whether you know this is the strategy you are using or not, this is what it is.
This is pretty standard political strategy so I can't really blame you for trying.
>>78762353
he looks like such a qt grill in this pic, but the illusion is shattered now that I've seen his gangly frame and penis
>>78762353
If old people were banned from voting, Poland would be leaving EU tomorrow.
With all this importance of college propaganda coming into play, and various rights like drinking and smoking being of a higher age requirement, I don't understand why 18-20 year olds should have a right to vote. I think you need at least 3 years past high school to have the knowledge, either learned or first hand, to vote in an educated manner.
If higher education is so important, why can kids that haven't had the time to experience it vote? They couldn't be educated enough.
Would love to see how much this would hurt liberal numbers.
>>78779352
What about people who went into a trade at 16 instead of going to college?
>>78779456
tinkers don't vote anyway
>>78762353
18 year olds are fucking retarded, 30-60 sounds reasonable, this is coming from a 23 y/o
>>78764064
Hell, you might die in a freak accident. Not your future.
>>78764545
>>78776549
>>78776705
warmfreshpaint on chaturbate.
yes its a trap.
>>78779456
They still haven't legally even had the opportunity to drink or smoke. They don't know the extent of their freedom, how can they be asked to make judgments on how to alter it?
>>78779576
>tinkers
>going into any form of training
pretty sure selling stolen fireplaces out of a van isn't a trade
>>78763322
>>78763464
>>78770535
Why allow people to vote at all? Just let the professionals decide what's best.
>1 Post by this ID
Stop Reply this shitposter,i tought people here were smart.
>>78780956
>1 post by this ID
>>78762353
Yeah, right.
Imagine working for over half your lifetime; if your flag is any indication, you know retirement age in Italy is getting higher and higher.
Imagine paying taxes for 40 years, contributing to your country's economy (or lack thereof, Italy etc.).
Then someone goes and claims you don't even have a right to vote anymore because you're too old and stupid to understand things.
That would be the ultimate fuck you to tax paying (and most likely law abiding) citizens... And it doesn't come as a surprise that scum like Italy's former self-appointed monarch Napolitano sympathized with it by saying not everyone should be allowed to vote.
If you want old fucks to support your cause, you might as well give them a reason to because their right to vote is (likely) much better earned than most youngsters'.
...or kill them en masse. That's an option, too.
age limit should go both ways: 25 to 65. seniors should lose their vote privilege.
>>78779271
BUT POLANDBALL DON'T YOU HAVE THAT WEBM WITH THE CRAZY OLD FUCK TELLING ALL THE SJW EU CUNTS TO BLOW IT OUT THEIR ASS
THAT GUY GAVE IT TO THEM GOOD
>>78775266
The world's population is set to peak in a few decades anyhow, and the majority of property costs are driven upward by excessively stringent zoning restrictions.
>>78762353
No, but the age of consent should. 18.
>>78762353
It should be over 26 in the US. If we have to pay for our kids health care until they are 26 then they shouldn't get to vote as well as everyone on government assistance. Only the contributors of society should be allowed the privilege to vote.
THE ONLY REASON VOTING AGE IS 18 IS BECAUSE YOU CAN BE DRAFTED AT 18 AND THEY FIGURE YOU SHOULD HAVE A SAY IN ELECTING THE LEADER SENDING YOU TO WAR
18 YEAR OLDS ARE FULLY FUCKING RETARDED THOUGH, FRESHLY 100% BRAINWASHED BY WHATEVER STATE MANDATED SJW LIBKUCK AGENDA THEY GOT IN HIGHSCHOOL, BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE
>>78780956
>1 post by this ID
>>78770620
That'd actually solve a lot of problems. But since it makes sense and is easy to implement, politicans are probably going to ignore it.
>>78762353
sei un ritardato ti alzerei le mani addosso figlio di puttana
mi dai sinceramente rabbia sei un verme da calpestare un infimo subu umano
>>78762353
>Our current laws regulating voting were made back when people died before they could become stupid.
If that's true you must be very old
>>78762353
If you look carefully at /pol/ catalog, what treads are made and who makes them. Situation in world politics, how people react to certain decisions, you can see it very clearly. 18 year old person is a child.
Limit should be from 24 (maybe he/she already had a job and isn't art student anymore) to 64-65 (when they start getting pension, it differs in countries).
>Why 64-65?
Because politicians can very easily influence old people by saying "we will give you more money when we are elected", and old people vote for them, but never anybody gives them more money.
>Why 24?
Look at this new generation. It's a fucking shame.
>>78783964
this is sensible
