I admit, I fell for the STEM meme, too.
>Heh, don't worry, kid. Study hard in a STEM field and you'll find a decent job, guaranteed.
>>78762285
This is a growing problem desu
>>78762285
So the whole Indians coming over and taking STEM jobs isn't just a meme?
>>78762285
The only STEM field with guaranteed employment is engineering. Everything else is up to you. I should mention that, due to grade inflation, most employers now prefer STEM graduates to non-STEM graduates. I myself snagged a snug little management gig at a start-up about a year ago because of that even though my degree has nothing to do with what the company does.
>PhD from Reading University
>Getting hired
Pick one
>>78762285
physics phd
topkek
Physics wont get you shit.
Im going into biochem, that has actual applications.
>>78763829
What the fuck how are you even asking this. Is this bait? Poo in loo / designated shitting streets aren't all. You forgot Persians / Iranians.
>>78763989
Guaranteed employment for shitskins with H1-B visas you mean, who "guarantee" that their employers will be able to pay them less while reserving the option to fire them at will and replace with another poo in loo.
>>78763989
>Falling for the engineering meme
>There are unlimited engineering job!
>We ALWAYS need engineers!
>Just take a few unpaid internships and show them how smart you are. They will TOOOOTALLY hire you full-time with benefits and six figures!
Engineering majors are a dime a fucking dozen, and few of them actually work in an engineering field.
It's like being a lawyer in the 80s or a graphic design major in the 2000s.
>>78762285
He took his physics PhD to the next level when he began studying gravity
>>78764218
>biochem
Boy do I have news for you
>>78764367
The only companies that abuse those things are big tech companies. Indians make good code monkeys but they are terrible engineers.
>>78762285
>2016
>thinking degrees = jobs
Why was a physics phd this retarded?
Degrees don't get you jobs, they make you slightly more appealing when a company has to take a chance on a new hire. Friends and placement companies get you jobs, but mostly friends. Friends + skills = even better jobs.
Honestly, if you're not building your hard skills, you deserve everything coming to you. If you can't answer a simple "so what can you actually do" you need to go back to the drawing board and fucking get some usable skills.
Anyone who gets a phd without any sort of academic aspirations is fucking stupid, by the way.
>>78764051
>No publications
>Not even some extracts from his thesis
What the fuck?
>>78764218
Protein-chucking faggot, have fun baking cookies for a living with your master's or PhD.
>>78764577
You don't get published if you're White. You know nothing. Your professor holds the key, Post Doc scum. He'll never allow it.
>>78762285
Seriously though how the fuck are you STEMfags having such a hard time? I managed to get into tech and I don't even have a STEM degree (polisci former law student.) Is it really getting that bad?
>>78764671
Do you know how publishing works?
Do you realize that "your professor" isn't the final arbiter on whether your thesis gets published or is even worth anything?
>>78762285
>Doing hard science without connections in the field and wanting to be anything other than a school-teacher
Nigga please.
Do something useful or that has a niche in the job market.
I'm majoring in poultry science and even with a 2.8 GPA they're giving me thousands of dollars a semester just for studying it.
100% employment rate out of school.
Companies come into our classes with signup sheets for paid internships; no vetting they just take any of us they can get.
Study something fucking useful that isn't completely over-saturated already.
>>78762285
Is it bad that I lol'd?
failure is humorous to me
>>78763829
http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth
>>78764795
>poultry science
>>78764218
see >>78764489
prepare for immense disappointment. all STEM doesn't necessarily lead to employment. certain STEM fields are far more useful than others for getting employed.
>>78764489
i really need to point out how perfectly that image summed up my thoughts. i switched out of biochem to pharmaceutical science before i started my upper levels and i feel like i really dodged a bullet.
>>78764763
What the fuck are you even talking about, who the fuck would try to publish a master's thesis? All dissertations get published, pleb-sauce. I thought we were talking about PUBLISHING here? In fucking journals like a poo in loo / chink / Persian.
>>78762285
I tell people this shit all the time. It's not what you know, it's who you know. 90% of getting a job is just meeting the right people and networking. Newsflash: most jobs can train you to do what you need to do. Hiring process is just about finding someone who isn't a complete weirdo and people can stand having in the office for 8 hours. I got a job I was completely unqualified for because my neighbor is the CMO of a big company and she thought I was funny. It's seriously that stupid to get a job. People crack me up when they think their piece of paper is a golden ticket.
>get job out of school with just bachelor's degree
>le epic programmer job
>70k
>didn't even take a single CS class in college taught myself
>physics/music combo from po dunk liberal arts school
>there are people I'm working with that have PhDs in astronomy and masters in computer engineering
Yeah. There's a problem. Society can only support a small number of doctoral students in positions that aren't "beneath their station." This is the end result of the democratization of the university. Not everyone should go.
You are still a worthwhile human being if you work construction or in a trade. Fuck this you have to be a programming doctor with a physics doctorate managing a biopharma hedgefund in order to be a worthwhile human being mentality.
>>78764795
>poultry science
>>78764840
Get on my level.
>>78762285
>physics degree
Yeah there's your problem.
I had a $60k internship during my junior year, age 21, while studying aerospace engineering.
I'm sure it could have also been done with a physics degree. I'm pretty sure the guy just didn't know how to network and plus is in the middle of fucking nowhere.
>>78764937
>all dissertations get published
lel
>>78762285
Youd think he would know about gravity being a docter in physics and all
>>78764910
Chicken intellectuals are prized for their taste in cuisine dishes.
>>78764671
>>78764937
dude are you literally retarded? you have no idea how publishing in STEM works do you? let alone publishing in general...
Going into college:
>me
>"STEM fields are going to be over saturated and jobs hard to find"
>friends
>"lol anon your just mad because you aren't good at math"
Graduating:
>me
>"my internship with Bank of America payed off, I got offered a job immediately!"
>friends
"WAAAHHHHHHH WHY DOESN'T VALVE WANNA HIRE ME!?"
Computer engineering is what will destroy the American people.
>>78765056
>he's never been in a University library
So are you underage or just a retarded?
>overqualified
Can this meme die already?
You're not overqualified if you have no applicable skills.
>>78765061
kek
>>78765151
You've published exactly nothing. You haven't achieved a PhD. You've never been a post-doc. Just wait, and keep on pushing those little blue Actavis pills on people. Make that bank you scavenger of human misery.
Serious question: why do companies hire such retarded poo in loos via H1b visas? There are literally degree factories which produce low skill people with fake degrees, still the US companies hire people from these factories and not good institutions. It's like they want to import bad quality workers.
Indians are quite upset about it too, because people from good colleges with genuine skills don't get hired, but these retarded niggers do. So again, why do US companies do this?
>>78765250
Do you really think all dissertations that get submitted are approved?
Before you answer, consider the benefits of blowing your brains out in front of your family.
>>78765086
>>78764992
>>78764910
Again senpaitachi, 100% employment rate.
In the US alone 13 billion chickens are consumed a year.
The average American eats between 40-55lbs of chicken per year.
Not counting turkey, duck, quail, or any of the rarer poultries.
The industry is only growing after the massive avian influenza dieoff of the past decade and there have been more jobs than people since the 1980's.
They're so desperate for people they even hire people without degrees for factory management positions.
The degree just guarantees it and secures advancement once you're in position.
>>78764795
This. You have to know what you're getting into. You can't just go to a random school, pick a random STEM degree and expect to make 6 figures or even to get a job.
I'm majoring in Marine Science and Hydrography, which isn't even that intense a STEM degree, but I've had absolutely everything paid for with BP money from books to apartment and have multiple jobs to choose from waiting for me the second I leave.
>>78765046
My cousin got a BS in Physics and gets paid like 80k at some tech company doing programming... It can't be that bad of a field
>>78765215
if they went into Comp. Engineering to get a job as Game Designers then they were heading for failure since the beginning.
Comp. Engineering has pretty shitty job offers if you aren't a talent, waste of time for most people.
>>78765366
Because they often get paid less and (most importantly) won't leave the company and spill all their trade secrets.
>Reading University
sucks to suck kiddo
>>78765046
>professes to understand physics but doesn't understand how to use the job market
Doesn't sound like a legitimately intelligent person
>>78765366
Two word that have destroyed the American dream and economy
>Cheap
>Labor
An Indian doctor will still work for less than an American doctor
>>78765366
Because HR departments are literally killing the western economy by requiring full degrees for all kinds of bullshit that patently doesn't need them -- and requirements like that aren't always ignorable.
Thank god I chose microbiology. I'm needed in breweries, and hell will freeze over before we stop needing beer.
>>78765366
Because you make more money taking government kickbacks for fulfilling diversity quotas with PhD positions at your company and paying minimum wage than you do paying White men a decent salary or paying shitskins with skill / real degrees actual money and not making it back in the kickbacks.
>>78765385
Can't wait for "poultry science" to become the new MATH MAJOR 600BILLION/YR STARTING meme
>>78762285
I feel like half of the stem degrees are supposed to promote entrepreneurship for studying new things, but stem degree holders are like the wageslaves of knowledge and it's not just due to ethics or anything
Good. He looked like a fucking faggot.
>>78765473
>won't leave the company and spill all their trade secrets.
nigga wut?
>>78762285
>phd in physics
That's your problem right there
>not getting a professional degree
>>78765371
What the fuck, how can you get a PhD if your dissertation is unsuccessfully defended? How about you kill yourself in front of me so I can laugh. You've already spilled them all over this thread like the shit running out of your sweatpants. Faggit.
>>78765557
>78765557
There isn't much evidence that suggests that visa holders get paid all that much less than native workers. Just saying.
>>78762285
stem thread?
Comp sci major here, literally had 3 job offers fall into my lap in the past month and I'm not even graduated yet. Don't listen to all the fucking banter on here, of course your degree alone isn't going to get you jack shit, you have to show you're worth it with experience outside of your program (ex. Projects, startups, whatever the fuck). Just because you have a piece of paper doesn't mean you're going to get employers slopping on your knob so that you will come work for them.
>>78765563
>Can't wait for "poultry science" to become the new MATH MAJOR 600BILLION/YR STARTING meme
I honestly hope it does.
For the sake of the expanding industry.
Intro to Poultry Science counts as a general science at my university so tons of business majors take it.
The course regularly reach 200-300 students per class with like 2-3 classes per semester and there are only 120 poultry science majors at the entire university.
A professor I know spent an entire week of class begging freshman business majors to switch to poultry science last semester.
>>78765518
I understand that, but there are Indians who go to good colleges who have those degrees. Why not hire them instead of these factory produced niggers? The companies have to know at this point that they are hiring the most retarded people possible and there are better people they can hire for the same pay.
>>78765665
>How can you get a PhD if your dissertation is unsuccessfully defended?
You can't, stupid. You have to go back and do it over. Dissertations are rejected all the god damn time, but for some reason, you really think 100% of dissertations are accepted. Why are you such a moron?
>>78765634
>Chem E PhD
Literally worthless. Why'd you even bother picking up the paper?
>>78765778
>just be a normie
>joined the national guard as an IT guy
>GOt in shape, got a bunch of free certs, security clearance
>get to do /k/ shit once a month
>50 bucks for health care
>make 20 dollars an hour full time, with 20 hours of overtime a week because of my connections and clearance
>never went to college
Feels good man
>>78764488
>phd in physics
>falls to his death
This is the funniest thing I've read all year.
>>78765815
You're the one who thinks that all successful PhDs haven't had their dissertation published. You're literally retarded. Please graduate high school before arguing with real men.
>>78762285
Not PhD is created equal. Sometimes advisor/committee just push them out the door bc they are insufferable to work with and letting them stay to defense a second time would be a drain in fund money and mental sanity. And of course that reflect in recommendations letters, which is a boost to our hireability.
Source: anecdotal from fellow PhD students in a mat. sci. department.
>>78765823
dont mind making $115k at my first job nomsayen. Maxing out that sweet 401kike (typing from my laptop now.. may change the ID)
>>78765484
I agree with you.
People don't seem to understand that being able to get good grades in a difficult major doesn't translate to being able to navigate the job market and network properly.
It's almost like all the book smart introverts get fucked over for not being able to socialize in higher education.
Makes you think huh?
>>78765557
I get that, but as long as you are hiring poo in loos, why not hire the ones who actually know something for exactly the same pay?
>>78762285
>Starting your career at 31
>13 years to get your shit together and nothing to show for it
Still no reason to an hero but that's pretty pathetic
Also
>CURRENT YEAR
>Choosing your degree on what you think will get someone else to hire you
>Not starting your own business
>Shiggy
>>78765805
Money. Factory monkey is cheaper.
>>78765937
Yeah let me know when you get a job. Literally impossible as a Chem E PhD. Unless you're non-White. Why am I talking to a non-White?
>>78764488
>>78765937
>dont mind making $115k at my first job nomsayen.
kek. u could have made that with a B.S. Comp Engr/ Comp Sci. anyway, you're probably a shit programmer.
>>78765017
kek what a loser!
>>78765842
Yes, we are not all autists here.
>>78762285
>MILLENNIALS ARE FAT STUPID AND LAZY
>>78765980
Because all Indians are corrupt liars. If you're going to make money off them, you want a dumb corrupt liar not a smart one.
>>78762285
>tfw I'm in the second year of Engineering school
Am I fucked?
>>78763989
This was [robably true before h1b visas , but now they can literally bring in curryback workers at two thirds the price who wont ever complain or fight for their rights like US workers do.
>>78766055
why is a ChemEng PhD worthless
>>78762285
>phd
>physics
>>78766055
The fuck! I do have a job and I do make $115k if it wasn't clear before.
>>78766088
i AM a shit programmer fagget.
>>78763829
most pajeets are total trash at knowledge work. people just use them as warm bodies to satisfy govt-style contracts.
>>78764488
underrated
>>78766171
If this were known then it would have saved well over a decade of schooling.
The best takeaway from this thread is that "poultry science" is actually a thing. I bet there is a ton of self-actualization to be derived from making Foghorn Leghorn your life's work.
>>78763829
>turd worlders get diploma printed on toilet paper from turd university
>woman have infiltrated the hiring process on many companies in the west
>dumb corporate whore with withering ovaries decide they need more diversity in the work place
>hire pajeet and 70 cousins, throwing fucking white male applications in the bin
>pajeets are incompetent and inefficient, make everyone elses jobs harder, need their hands held through everything, need constant correction but work for peanuts.
>woman gets promoted, nominates pajeet for her previous position
>pajeet now only hires indians who barely speak english
>business starts failing
>only white men left decide it's time to bail out
>company gets liquidated by small group of white men at the top
>shit load of pajeets move on to destroy next company
>>78766211
Can you describe a magic ritual for a Chem E PhD to actually acquire a job?
>>78766343
>poultry science
Literally cock magic.
>>78763989
Any engineering that has to do with construction yes.
Don't expect work as a mechanical engineer or aeronautic engineers
>>78766371
I thought ChemEng was alright why is finding a job hard
Bong PhD here... to clarify a few things about the UK's PhD structure. You do not need any publications to get a PhD, but you need to defend your viva. Without publications this can be hard unless you have an NDA for example with a company that prevents publishing. Most top tier journals take over 12 months from submission to publishing your article (reviewers are random in times and article specific) but it isn't strange to see first accepted and published being 18 months apart. Given a PhD is usually 3 years it isn't suprising to see a lack of publications but most decent researchers get 1 or 2 peer reviewed publications. Lastly the UK hates education and a PhD is cancer on your CV if you don't have work experience as the hiring managers usually don't even have a Masters.
>>78766353
At least you can still actually get an interview if you check "Hispanic" on the application. Might as well enjoy the free plane rides.
>>78766497
Employers' eyes are burned by the sheen of pure Christian White skin.
I think he took the wrong approach. He should've found a job between his bachelors and masters. There's no way someone with a PhD couldn't land a job unless he didn't have prior work experience.
>>78765868
Similar story with me.
>Be me.
>Study Cisco certs in high school.
>Get CCNA at 17.
>Finish High school.
>Get decent grades.
>Guidance Councillor and parents pushing me towards University.
>Apply for Grad Position at Cisco.
>Get Job at Cisco for $52k a year + Benefits.
>Didn't go to Uni.
>>78765430
Comp engenieering is basically electrical engineering m8. I think that you are confusing Computer science with Computer engineering
>>78766371
Let your phd work speak for itself. It aint a welfare handout program boi.
Also, reading your replies itt. You are 37 different kinds of mad. Chill, homo (no homo)
>>78766504
Yeah you can't tell if those Bachelor's HR people are screaming REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE or if it's the steam coming out of their ears making the sound as they deign to interview you before wadding up your resume on your hasty forced exit.
>>78764488
Cruel, yes. But kek
>>78766161
Why do people complain about this kind of thing anyway? Don't they like capitalism? Economic protectionism is basically subsidizing the wages of people who work in that industry, and people who don't have to pay for it.
>>78762285
>brainwashed so hard that your life isn't worth living if you can't properly serve your masters
>>78764051
Reading University is in England
It's pronounced "Red-ding" not as in reading.
Funny enough I was in England during that time when it happened.
when i took physics in high school, we had to design a vessel that would protect an egg when it was dropped off the roof of a 3 story building. my team's egg splattered all over the sidewalk, much like this guys head probably did. kek.
>>78762285
Literally get a degree in a real job.
Physics is not a real job.
Physicists work off grant money for specific purposes, only a few people are ever going to get that job and if you didn't get published in a physics journal in college, you probably aren't one of those people.
You wanna be a physicist look into a specific degree program that is required to do whatever satellite/rocketry/astronomy/magnetism/robotics you actually want. General degrees are dumb when everyone has one.
Better yet get a nursing degree, now, before everyone catches on.
>>78766343
One consequence is that I've got a chicken meme folder.
>>78762285
He should have majored in the only real science, mathematics.
>>78762285
SHILL THREAD.
I am a STEM major (state school) with a couple years industry experience. I got 2 offers from the only 2 places I applied to less than a week after applying.
STEM is safe as long as you aren't double digit IQ.
>>78766371
>>78766677
neither it is a phd in string theory which will make your employer go what could i use this guy for?
A Physics PhD makes you grossly overqualified for 99% of jobs. A Bachelor's doesn't. The fact that most people in this thread don't realize this makes me think that the people shitposting about this don't have a degree nor or a job.
Shit thread isn't getting bumped btw.
>>78766809
>before everyone catches on
where the fuck have you been
>>78762285
That could've been me. Got a master's degree, but no connections or prospects. I can't "promote myself", since I consider myself a useless piece of shit and I suck at lying. I was considered for a call center job a few weeks ago, but was declined. This really hit home.
I'll give it a year or two, then I'll probably do something similar. Nothing quite as dramatic though.
>>78762285
Graduated with a 3.3 in computer engineering (not very good) and landed a 70k job weeks after graduating, no fucking idea what you guys mean by "STEM meme", like it could possibly be a bad outcome?
T
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D
E
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>getting a phd
Unless you want to teach (and good luck getting a job) there's zero point to get that meme degree
Anyone knows how nuclear engineering is? Is it oversaturated? I have to choose my specialization soon.
>>78766119
REEE
>>78766826
I'm interested in majoring in this anon, What can I expect my classes to be like and how much money is the starting pay and how much room is there to grow?
>>78766898
Apparently not communicating effectively via language.
applied math major here, should i sudoku or is there still hope?
>>78764488
kek
>>78764932
>tfw chemical engineering
I have a billion different fallbacks if I can't go into what I want, and I can always change what I do if I get enough industry experience
>>78767089
Apply this math: (You + Bathtub)^Toaster = X
>>78766826
Oh fuck yes. Dump please!?
>>78762285
the fuck overqualified means? never heard that on an interview
>>78766634
>>Apply for Grad Position at Cisco.
wtf is grad position?
>>78766961
Dumb. I graduated with a computer science degree in 2001, I might as well have taken gender studies at that point. I had to deliver pizzas again to survive, and I didn't get a real job for five years.
But then I did, and now I'm making great money and I own a sweet house and have no debts. You'll get there. Enjoy your life at whatever stage instead of worrying about being at another one.
>>78766924
There's still a massive nursing shortage regardless of whether people are going into it more than ever now, all them boomers got about 20-30 years left in their clock and nurses are always in demand just about everywhere.
>>78767153
lost hard, thanks for the chuckle anon
>>78767229
An example of being overqualified, would be an Oxford graduate becoming a burger flipper at mcdonalds
>>78767242
He got certs to drive a truck + deliver food to prisons. He's set for life apparently.
>>78762285
It's only bad in some STEM fields. Chemistry for example is thriving and you would practically have to be an idiot to not find a job as a chemist
Okay then you fucks, if all of these are shit then what the fuck would you recommend studying for guaranteed cushy job and monies?
Get a trade you faggots
>>78767088
I let my guard down here son. Cut me some slack.
But seriously no, communication skills, firm handshake that kinda shit does not matter. Didn't have to give a single HR interview. All 8 hrs technical interviews.
>>78767394
Trade dick pics with your dad, faggo.
>>78762285
> 4 April 2013
Should'a held out m8, now all the Eurocucks are getting a taste of "You Have To Go Back" there'll be plenty of science jobs for native Brits since professors won't have to fill their Romanian diversity quotas any more.
Go to a good uni and the jobs will come to you
>>78764488
>>78766512
You could be on to something.
Maybe we should all pick up tickets to mexico and walk across the border while obongo is still ruining america.
Any mechanical engineers in here with a good method for mailing your own severed head to a professor?
>>78767245
I got nothing, and I'm tired of being a drain on the family. Sure, it's dumb, but I've come to realize that I'm a dumb, and pretty much useless piece of shit.
I'm glad it worked out for you. Really, no sarcasm. It warms my heart to know there are those that went through hell and came out on the other side. But I know in my heart of hearts, I'm not one of those people.
>>78762285
>STEM meme
College in general is a meme. College is just a four year degeneracy binge.
>>78766353
Saved.
>>78766160
No, but if you are thinking grad school be very very certain and clear in your reasoning
sometimes a doctorate can close more doors than it opens
>>78762285
He did a hard science and not something more technical like engineering or he probably didn't have internships.
Does environmental science count as stem? Inb4 useless degree, I don't do climate change shit I do ecological science and geology stuff
>>78767982
I was thinking getting a masters, since a bachelors will mean grunt work. I want to be on the cutting edge, but I've got a few years to think about it.
>>78767085
Texas A&M and Arkansas are the best places for it but Georgia and Alabama have huge job markets even thought the schooling is lower quality.
Classes are relatively simple.
Introductory classes and labs will have you learning the basics of chicken anatomy, psychology, and history.
(I didn't go to my intro class except for tests and still got an A).
Introductory labs will have you kill chickens and such, exam their sperm on microscope slides, and exam egg development day 1-21 by cracking open eggs and examining.
Classes don't get very difficult until upper level at which point you will hit bacteriology and avian viruses but they're relatively easy compared to hard science courses.
Usually a ton of scholarships available, internships are always open in every southern state, and volunteering gets you a name in our relatively small field.
I know a girl that graduated 2 years ago that works in washington for a turkey company and has actually spoken to obama about the viability of turkey as a major source of food.
Starting pay depends on where you end up.
Usually anywhere from $45k-90k depending on who you know and who you work for with an easy climb up the company ladder.
Averages probably around 45-60k for people without super good connections.
But that's not bad when it's a guaranteed job.
Sanderson farms pays good and has good benefits, it's also super easy to get a very high management position within a few years, but it's a weird company that fires people literally at the drop of a hat for the smallest thing.
Tyson is the big ol' daddy and will always love you and take care of you.
Don't bother doing master or Phd unless you wanna be a professor or gamble trying to get big corporate bucks for fancy research.
My buddy that graduated last year makes 60k a year walking through and checking 3 farms a week for disease and malnutrition.
Tons of room to grow all the way up to buying 60 acres and handing your property over to Sanderson, Tyson, etc...
>>78767207
>>78762285
If you're autistic you'll never get a decent job no matter what field you study in.
>>78767242
It's a program Cisco offers to High school Grads that goes for 2 years and gets them ready to sit for an IT cert.
I already had my CCNA, so I was offered a full time job immediately. Dunno if they have such things in the USA
>>78767315
but a degree means shit, you apply to any job you can get
>>78767207
Have an adventurer chicken from /tg/
>>78768141
it does. Look for jobs in companies like Shell/exxon. Know a guy who was getting paid $10k a month for internship there.
>>78762285
Same here. Had my wife not inherited a house, we'd be homeless, t.b.h.
>tfw journalism
>pick up comfy stay at home f/t position for ad agency
>stem cucks btfo
>>78768177
oh shit thanks for this screenshotted
>>78767207
Freng
>>78768303
Thanks for the advice friend!
>>78767602
True everyfuckingwhere. Study maths at an American state school you will do well, but even study fucking sociology or some other shit "discipline" at Harvard or Stanford and you will earn far more.
"STEM" is what happens when you try to take a complex problem and turn it into a catchy meme.
I know someone who got a degree in marine biology. STEM. It's science, so no problem, right. Well who the fuck hires marine biologists. There are far more of them than there are jobs to fill. She's a waitress now. Probably always will be.
Dude in OP's post had a PhD in physics. How many jobs out there hire people who have a PhD in physics? I know there's some but I bet they are damn rare.
We need to do it like it was done back in the 80s, where it was actually taught that you should look at a job's outlook and not just pick one you think looks cool.
That concept fell apart in the 90s and its all gone to shit now.
>>78768474
rood
>>78768439
>>78768272
>>78768198
Perfect.
>>78762285
>Reading University
There's your answer. A good degree from a shitty university is still shit
So what is the best degree to get right now?
>>78768815
>>78768969
advanced basket weaving
>current year
>not being a nuclear engineer
the fuck is wrong with you people?
>>78768969
gender studies. thats why so many career minded people are taking it
Starting my 2nd engineering job after leaving my first engineering job abruptly without two weeks notice. All you have to do is speak well in the interview.
>>78768969
>>78769371
This, along with Recreational Hut Building. You're gonna be ficking set for life bro
>>78767293
the nursing meme has drawbacks too depending on which school you go to. Nurse anesthesia though sounds like a dream career path
>yfw the M in STEM isn't medicine
>>78769582
>>78767022
Help.
>>78764218
>biochem
You're in for a rude awakening
>no job experience
>thinks he's over qualified for a call centre
No, that is EXACTLY what he was qualified for.
Faggot deserved to die.
allow me to redpill you imbeciles:
there are two currents in action: the skill of the agent, and the discipline learned
a highly skilled agent is accepted at schools that are hard to get into because these schools sort by skill; thus, harvard, yale, princeton, or swarthmore, amherst, dartmouth
you can get a sociology degree at these schools, and then go to a top tier law school, because the highly skilled agent could have done a math major, but decided to do sociology, and the grad schools know this
an agent who chooses a discipline wisely will find a job after school, but a highly skilled agent could choose a STEM field and then going into business consulting - since its the intellectual rigor that was sought after
a dumbass going to a shitty school with a junk STEM program will have trouble finding work because C grades from a bad school is worse than A's in Sociology at Harvard; and it's worse when the grades are bad at bad schools for bullshit degree curricula
the press misrepresents the facts; intelligent motivated people who are adaptable do well no matter what, and everyone knows this; and a mentally unstable path-follower who can only regurgitate information and cannot modify his circumstances should have just gone into a routine trade like construction
>>78762285
>study physics
>final test: does a body bounce after a 6 story free-fall onto cement?
He was a true scholar until the very end. He passed the test it seems - Gravity still exists.
>>78762285
old ass news Mods delete.
>>78765524
Enjoy 12/hr. Got offered a job by stone in their Microbio dept and laughed at their offer.
>>78764218
Have fun applying to pharmacy school
Listen, your routes are as follows
Academia
Research
That it, unless you wanna be a shitty lab monkey. Being a lab monkey is shitty.
>>78764488
>when the bantz are so brutal, no one notices the sick dubs
>>78769371
>>78769596
>>78769687
Thanks for the help guys.
>>78762285
it's because of companies like facenigger hiring poo in loos instead of whites
thanks kikerberg
Simple situation: companies - when asked what they want in terms of employees, say what they want.
Tends to be some sort of windfall cachet techno-dominance fuck-off money business products out of amazing imaginary superhero employees that don't actually exist IRL.
Then government, and universities, and society in general try to supply this "critical factor of production", because capitalism.
Doesn't matter that its pure make-believe, thats what envisioning is all about.
>>78762285
That's what happens whenyou tell everyone to get a degree.
>>78762285
My buddy did Chemical Engineering. Skidded by with Cs and Bs in difficult classes. Ended up with about a 3.0 overall. He stressed out toward the end of last semester, but landed a job making 70k just before graduation.
STEM may be a meme, but engineering is still a relatively safe field. The fact is just that NO major guarantees you a job.
>>78770872
So people like you are anti-capitalist when it comes to things like that, right?
>>78770872
It's ongoing issue since 90s
I just graduated in June as a civil engineer. I got a job a month later and start this Monday
>>78762285
So is "overqualified" a code word for "we don't like you" ?
>>78772535
read a book you faggot commie
>>78766353
LOL you mad because you got replace by a Pajeet?
>>78773146
no. overqualified means 'you're going to leave and fuck us over as soon as you can'
its why fast food places don't hire people with degrees
>>78763989
shitty software engineer reporting in.
I am satisfactory at my job on a good day, but I have a technical degree from a good university and I can charm the panties off a nun.
With that said, there is a great deal of work for competent white software engineers, helps if you're not fat, not socially autistic, and generally are good looking and can tell jokes.
If I could go back, I wouldn't have wasted time in college, and instead joined the military out of highschool and tried for specialized role in the branches.
>tfw I could be in Syria right now attached to YPG pinging ISIS
feels bad ;_;
>>78763829
they're mostly going for IT i think
>not becoming a teacher
why wouldn't you want to red pill students
>>78766961
I suck at lying too and was also declined for a call center job with Cox. I was actually kind of cool with working for Cox but what really hurt was that I got the decline e-mail like a day after the recruiter emailed me asking if I was still interested in the job and told me I'd be moved to the next step. Guess she wasn't technically wrong but still.
>>78767245
I guess most people find a real jib eventually, it's just so hard to live with the shame until then
>>78769951
This this this
Some retarded people need to do a foundation year where they learn the shit they should've learnt when they were 17, before starting the University course properly. They think they can catch up with everyone else bit I've dealt with them and they have very textbook understandings of everything, cannot grasp new concepts quickly, can't answer questions they haven't learnt the answer for. I study maths at a good university. The students who do the foundation year often can't get to the end of their second year, and drop out. Very few finish their degree.
>>78762285
STEM is not a meme
but it is not a cover / fix for being an ugly, anti social person who doesnt get lad and that society wants nothing to do with
nothing is
>>78762285
STEM is too broad a term tbqh. Lumping a PhD in math with a bachelors in IT together as "STEM" is a stupid meme
Also i'd say all those companies dodged a bullet, they probably sniffed out his suicidal tendencies and entitled attitude. Probably woulda gone on a killing spree if they hired him
>>78773573
>anon your opinions are racist and problematic, we're going to have to let you go
>never get hired anywhere else again
>>78773748
This
Frankly, if you're attractive and social; you could get a job in meat packing and still be the manager within a couple of years.
> Do apprenticeship in merchant navy out of school, qualify as marine engineer
> Whilst sailing teach myself chemistry, take exams when at home
> Apply to university to study chemical engineering, they are delighted an actual experienced engineer wants to study
> Study one of the most employable/highest paying degrees and have a trade to fall back on should the job market dry up
Every man should have a trade before he seeks higher education.
>>78769951
>a highly skilled agent is accepted at schools that are hard to get into because these schools sort by skill
>harvard, yale, ...
Hahahaha. Overpriced shitholes full of rich drug-addicted lazy and talentless dumbasses. And Yale is gay on top of that. But ofc their graduates will not have a problem finding a job, their parents will do everything for them.
British STEM students tend to think a lot of jobs are beneath themself and act really fucking arrogant.
Nobody wants to hire somebody like that. Indian engineers etc are more than happy to do any job without being arrogant assholes about it.
these threads are funny. theyre always filled with STEM people telling each other they're fucked.
it's more about your connections lads, otherwise you're just an application. a piece of paper
>>78773273
this picture almost got it right, but I'd make the red part much bigger
>>78770764
Poultry science is actually sounding neat right now.
Any kind of niche stem would probably be good if you can't get yourself into a top university.
Just get a job at a grocery store and don't go to school.
>>78774643
>mfw 80% of engineering jobs in australia aren't advertised
If anyone says hey... go with "insert degree here"... cause it's the shit son! Just assume they're full of shit. I mean why in the fuck would I listen to the gooberment or some other ass hat regarding my future?
>>78764795
>poultry science
Do you get bonus points for being a nigger?
>>78762285
You also have to possess reasonable people skills so that you can successfully pursue the job and pass the interview. People without any degrees at all are able to get a good job so he really had no excuse.
>Struggled with engineering for years because I loved chemistry
>Hated math
>Finally quit,switched to business
>Easier, more social and shorter
>Winning 5 times what engis win in my country
STEM is overrated desu
>>78762285
>physics degree
>>78763829
software engineer here, this has literally happened exactly as described at my last 2 jobs and currently happening where I work now.
h1Bs gotta go
>>78762285
>physics phd owner falls to his death
and you people think there is no god
>About to finish up a 2 year degree on electrical wiring
>taking summer classes to finish by December cause of death in family semester before
>Already have 7 job offers, highest one being 70 k starting
>Full benefits, decent overtime in times of need.
>Huge opportunity to climb up the ladder of the company
>Other job will train me and start me off at 50 K a year
>Work is easy and it is small company
>By year 4 I will be in charge of whole plant replacing old 70 year old.
So many choices.
>>78764488
If indians are taking your jobs it means youre a SHIT programmer with only very basic skills
Because you see I have an H1B myself, just so I can fly over to Memphis about once a year and I work with indians, A LOT.
There is no fucking way anybody prefers an indian for anything but the most basic tasks and even then you have to constantly correct shit when they are done.
If indians are taking YOUR job then you're shit.
It might be construed that *I* am taking your job and I'd agree with that. But not indians. Indians are little better than automatons, useful in some situations, completely useless for more complex applications.
so yeah TL;DR - git fucking gud
>>78766353
I think what you just discribed is how a viral disease is spread. Replace business with blood cell and the rest falls into place.
>>78762285
>tfw didn't fall for the STEM meme
>>78775350
Physics Masters reporting in.
It's real good used in synergy with other fields.
Software Dev, Research firms, Fringe investment firms.
This guy probably autismed his way through with no connections, and expected to be handed a job by someone he had never met.
should I go engineering/business or engineering/physics? I want to advance from electrical to aerospace and from physics to astrophysics to astronomy, but i'm hearing that business background engineers have better employment ratings
Is studying Commerce/Law (Combined) the only way to have guaranteed job prospects with a good chance of having a hefty salary?
It seems like studying anything aside from STEM, Business, and a few niche but useful degrees (Law, Architecture, Journalism, Aviation) is just going to leave you in debt and unemployable.
And even getting a STEM job seems dependent on the market at the time you finish your degree.
its not hard to turn any of the non-engineering STEM degrees into well paying analyst positions.
You just have to put a little bit of effort into learning what a vlookup and a pivot table is, and be really good at bullshitting how your biochemistry degree shows you have a good mindset for analysing financial and business data.
Or something like that.
>2006: "They took our jobs" anahahahhahahahahahhahha stupid white working class men getting their jobs taken by uneducated Mexicans"
>2016: "b-but what do you mean I'm getting laid off and the only new positions available now require an odd set of skills and next to minimum wage?"
you stupid fucking kids deserve this. Yeah, karmas a bitch isn't it?
>>78776799
your genetics pre determine the best job you can get
You can get many jobs even with a phd in a specialized area of physics, you just have to change your field a bit and market your general problem solving skills.
There are many physicists in IT, quality management, government safety regulations and patent law. Most of my friends are actually engineers who do not work as close to the product compared to those with a degree in engineering but they do more conceptual stuff.
>>78776922
I can claim immigrant heritage if you're talking about diversity quotas.
I-i'm still white though.
>>78763829
>>78762285
>>78763989
>not doing internships,publication experiments
>expecting too get hired when all you have is school smarts
Chemical engineering grad here. Doing pretty good desu.
>>78765938
How do you "navigate the job market and network properly"? Sounds like fancy words for just nepotism to me.
>>78763989
>The only STEM field with guaranteed employment is engineering.
you mean Geology. We're consuming more resources at a faster rate than ever before. We need more and more people trained to find them. We are also losing many of our older geologists and too few people are majoring in geology to replace them.
My school last year graduated about 1000 computer science and engineering majors, about 1500 liberal arts majors, and a grand total of 5 geologists. This is probably reflected at schools across the nation.
If you don't think that's good odds for finding work you're insane.
>>78764876
Many entry level jobs require 3-4 years experience in their particular sector or field. With this kind of catch-22 nonsense, good luck getting your foot in the door after graduation.
Then the same firms hire experienced foreigners on HB1s.
>>78762285
honestly though, if you go for a fucking PhD, you should work as professor after that and not anything else. otherwise it's not worth it.
hell, nowadays it's even a stretch to go for a master's degree. you might as well go find a job with a bachelor's.
>>78762285
he was in the UK from reading PA in the USA? pretty sure that is illegal since americans are not allowed to get asylum in the uk.
>>78764795
>poultry science
>mexican intellectuals
>>78767144
How is it? I'm about to choose between mechanical and chemical engineering. Which one gives me higher chance of finding decent job?
>>78763829
End H1B
>>78778986
chemical in my understanding
civil if you want to have work forever
>>78777430
How's the pay?
>>78762285
Here is my plan, what do you think?
>Take a year out before university
>Learn coding and research finance, the market for aerospace and other fields of innovation
>take le physics degree
>Get connections in university, hopefully have a viable business idea before I need to graduate
>Do business idea, if it fails, work in finance
>>78764795
>poultry science
Do you focus on the industry aspects of raising poultry or the health of the poultry? I graduated with a BS in Animal Science and it focused on science (biochem, physics, organic chemistry) more so than how the livestock industry works. There was an industry option and I think that focused more on agriculture and how to raise/cull livestock.
Also, what do you plan on doing with that? It sounds interesting.
>>78779448
Don't take that fucking year off. You'll lose your momentum. I wish I could get that time back.
>>78764758
Anecdote isn't data.
