I'm a Globalist. Why do some people see that as being a bad thing?
Anyone with a curiosity to learn about the world around them - and an ability to keep an open mind and an interest in sorting out the changes being wrought every day - can consider himself or herself a "globalist." Globalists are by no means an elite circle of business or political leaders determined to push forward their agenda in a rapid-fire fashion.
What unites globalists is a strong interest in understanding more about the modern global economy, politics and culture - and how these forces relate to each other.
A globalist, in short, is anyone dedicated to figuring out how the world hangs together. That includes sorting out the dynamic political and social changes associated with globalization, questioning them rigorously and seeking to correct them when necessary.
What is so wrong about that?
>>78759588
Too many people exist. If we cut t b e worlds population down to the conservative whites in north america only, then I too would be a globalist.
>>78759588
Someone has to be the leader.
The leader of a armyless, borderless super nation has power to decide entirely too much.
Even with a council or whatever, there is too much power to too few people.
>no nation
>no culture
>no race
>no religion
>>78759588
globalism is dangerous because it's putting all of your eggs in one basket. when we have at least one self sustaining colony on another planet then you can maybe think about letting one government control earth.
>>78759588
Of course it doesn't ;]
Because we'll fall for the same reasons The Tower of Babel fell; too much diversity and not enough cohesion. People work best when it's ethnically similar, and when it's not social conflicts cause governments to be increasingly controlling to keep order. Diversity means less freedoms.
>>78759588
Because free movement breeds equilibrium... just look at your supermarket line.
Technological and progress thrives on marginal returns, if the whole world spreads freely we'd all be as poor as Romania and advance as slow Morocco
>>78759588
Globalism is money driven. Doesn't believe in culture, tradition, etc.
Besides being AUS, if you didn't know that then you're fooling yourself into thinking you're bringing the world "progress".
At the present moment, "globalism" just means putting our fates out of the hands of government and elected officials and into the hands of corporations. Trading one federalist system which we understand and have a rich culture of holding accountability for another federalist system which we do not understand, is not so openly accountable, and have a rich culture of mistrusting and expecting to behave badly.
>>78761120
culture and tradition are human products, they posses no inherent value.
>>78759588
>Why do some people see that as being a bad thing?
>amount of resources capable of being acquired, refined, or recycled to support a first-world lifestyle / global population
>>78759588
It removes too much power from local governments. What does a career politician in Brussels know about owning a small business in Keswick? When you expand that to include the whole world, it just gets worse and worse. The people at the top would be so far removed from the needs of the common person, it becomes impossible for them to make informed decisions that best serve their constituents. You could argue that they're trying to serve some esoteric "greater good", but if the people at the bottom are suffering for it, you've pretty much lost your mandate to claim the "greater good".
>>78759588
world peace has to be enforced with fear and brutality
>>78761408
morals and laws are human products, they posses no inherent value
>destroy your standard of living so you can have the life of a poverty stricken peasant
>let the elite control and dominate you to the point that they control everything
>you also have no political say in anything ever again
>>78761408
Value itself is an abstract concept. No sense throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
You see Jew, nations are like families. You subvert them both in order to domesticate human beings.
>>78759588
No borders, huh?
>>78759588
globalism can't happen until only one race remains.
>>78759588
I'M A GLOBALIST TOO
FOR WESTERN NATIONS AND JAPAN AND SOUTH KOREA
BUT THE MIDDLE EAST SHOULD BE NUKED
>>78759588
>A globalist, in short, is anyone dedicated to figuring out how the world hangs together.
See right there, what you just said.
I'm going by YOUR words, but you want to know how you can unite the world, am I correct?
But what is the moral of globalism?
I know I know, you'll say "unification" or something like that. But how is that moral? Social harmony is moral, yes; in a sense, by that reasoning, unification can be moral too. The family is stronger together. But look, friend, the problem is that peers are stronger unified. A group of scientists are better unified. It'd be awkward to put a porn star in a science team.
Anyway, we have race problems here in North America; I lived through it when I lived in the states, and people are bringing their problems here. I don't want to be divided between racial lines; these aren't lines we've created; these lions exist because YOU people put them there.
Anyways, Rome fell because it was a unified empire created out of a divided people. If you suggest unification on some global scale, you're asking for more wars, more poverty, more crime, and less happy people. It doesn't matter if we're floating around in space on super cool space ships; if the price of progress is morality, then it's not worth my time, because morality is the progenitor of civilization, and globalism isn't a part of that.
>>78761562
what you are talking about sounds more like a problem with government than globalisation in general.
>>78761609
true, they are abstract concepts according to which humans abide, since they provide some sort of immediate benefit.
>>78761700
it is, but it is representative of feelings.
value is a quantification of how much (and in relation to each other) certain events affect our pleasure response, in a good way or bad.
Humans are territorial animals.
Also, open borders lead to the impoverishment of everyone rather than the enrichment of everyone. It has been proven by the European experiment that Africans and Muslims don't become Europeans: instead they just make Europe a little more like Africa.
If you have a boat with 100 people and one lifeboat that can hold only ten, the only result of overloading the lifeboat and trying to save everyone is that it will sink, and 100 people will die rather than 90. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. Flooding Europe with unlimited immigrants will in the end result in a third-world Europe, benificial to neither Europeans or immigrants.
Because I'll fucking die before I let a chink tell me what to do.
>>78759588
The size of the footprint (and the corollary wastefulness) of government grows exponentially to the population it governs.
>>78759588
There's fundamentally no "wrong" or "right" way to society and its structure, until you axiomatize a set of objectives that society or govt must fulfill.
So with that in mind, what are the objectives of a globalist society? And more importantly, given that today we have "fractured" nation states, all with vastly different objectives and structures, how does one transition into globalism? What are the first steps?
>>78761408
>nihilism is a super cool idea guys!
>stop laughing at me! im serious!
>>78759588
>Why do some people see that as being a bad thing?
Because half the countries in the world are still full of lunatics worshipping some fairytale "Allah" who tells them to kill and Africans who barely pass as human.
Globalists should be aiming to cooperate between separate powers equally, not aiming to consolidate them under one superpower
>>78759588
The problem with globalism is that I (as a rich person) will be all but expected to give money to the poor. Now you may like this (as a US poor/middle class person). Just consider that as a citizen in the developed world, you are the rich person now needing to share with the dirty, violent, underdeveloped nations (all of Africa outside of SA and Egypt, much of South America, etc.). It's like how communism sucks if you're rich.
>>78759588
This is some quality Australian shitposting
Bravo
>>78759588
kill yourself for the good of us all
>>78762389
>nihilism
try again friendo.
not only you show you don't even have a basic concept of nihilism, you even manage to equate it to moral relativism.
Because non-Whites exist. Get rid of them and Globalism could work.
>no armies
lol, because everyone on the planet is going to be happy with globalism and won't require brutal repression to keep in line.
>>78759588
>I'm a Globalist. Why do some people see that as being a bad thing?
I'm a capitalist. Why do some people see me build fences and gate at my property a bad thing?
>>78762585
Not that guy but the only logical conclusion of moral realtivism adapted seriously will be a descent into nihilism. That's what everyone's favorite fedora tipper was warning about and trying to avoid.
>im a globalist
NOBAY CARE WHAT YAH THINK YAH WANKAH
>>78759588
>Why do some people see interlinking economies so if one falls they all tumble down, forcing vastly different peoples with antithetical beliefs to live together and generate conflict when the inevitable "cultural misunderstanding" occurs, and also causing massive drain on the human spirit and economic structures trying to support the logistics and beurocratic nightmare of managing such a large system which is inevitably going to be used to oppress and torture countless people world wide... as being a bad thing?
gee OP i don't know why.
maybe you should FUCKING RESEARCH IT.
>>78759588
Globalism is good if international minimum wages are mandatory for trade.
Globalism is good if Americans are recognized officially as the imperial rulers, to claim the prizes of our conquests as citizens and soldiers...not just to subsidize Greater Israel and their Wahabi Saudi death cults.
If the kikes were not so busy genociding and backstabbing the gentile host populations they infect, the Global American Empire would already be abosolute.
May the kikes underhanded hypocrisy turn to rot in their fat bellies.
E Pluribus Unum.
Having the entire world being run by a single government would be a bureaucratic nightmare
>>78759588
It won't work, because these retarded movements always assume that the rest of the world are the same as the west. Consider the numbers. Even if all in the west was for it (which they aren't, and they are not sufficiently aware of what globalists do) that is still barely a billion people. Out of eight. China don't give a shit, Russia don't give a shit, South America don't give a shit, Afrika don't give a shot. You are dissolving nations and borders and armies for people who will immediatelly set up their own borders, their own armies, form their own nations. It is worse utopia than the communism, and it once again, as always, hides behind noble ideas.
ANTI GLOBALISM
is the new WINNING meme
>>78759588
Because in order to have a globalist society you need to weaken the people first.
Why do you think identity politics has been rising up so much?
They lower the power of all of the nations so that none of them will rise up.
They have castrated all of us to make us sheep.
>flag
>1 post by this ID
>will probably hit 300+ replies
bravo, /pol/
>>78763017
that is only true for people who can't live without their moral high ground imposed by a flavor of the month deity.
i must say i'm not really moved by the argument a lot of people will feel bad.
not to mention the "problem" of nihilism was tackled by nietzsche.
If I don't like your singular government... Where do I go to get one I like?
>>78759588
Because globalism doesn't work and assumes all people of all creeds and religious affiliation are the same and can co exist.
They can not. there's a reason whenever X species of animal is introduced into Y's habitat, even if they're of similar genome like wild dog breeds, one will seek to win out over the other.
Under globalism/multiculturalism, the loudest, proudest and most trigger happy culture/people win.
That's muslims and africans. We're seeing that already.
>>78759588
Globalism is only benevolent when the whole world is subject to American rule.
>>78763251
why are you putting economical, cultural and political globalization all in one basket?
i don't really see a problem with economical globalization, since you basically increase the consumer base, and thus increase the income.
>>78759588
>No armies, no borders, no nations
I recommend you to play a game called Ace Combat Zero OP.
A majority of the globe consists of various cultures that have proven time and time again that they mix poorly with the minority that is "the west". They take more than they contribute, are prone to violent crime, and in one case (take a guess) they've spent centuries actively attacking it. Self proclaimed globalists want to bring more of those people into western nations, either in denial or openly supportive of the fact that this will eventually lead to the native culture and people's destruction.
It claims that it wants to lift the world up to the west's level, but all it really accomplishes is dragging the west into the dirt.
>>78763623
To further iterate, X region of land will have better/more resources than Y region.
This leads to unfairness as seen by others.
The entire reason the world ended up the way it did is not by accident. This is exactly how nature deemed it would happen. Whites evolved in cold place. Cold place was harsh, they had to learn to grow in it. Had to learn to stay warm in it. This learning gave a tactical advantage over other regions that found it hard to grow.
Here we all are.
>>78759588
thats some pro shitposting mate, you guys are truly the kings of shitposts
>>78759588
Lol no, its impossible for a single person to know everything about the world, you are a half-ass at everything and are driven by missinformation, ideology, and propaganda
>inb4 computers
No, butterfly effect, u can't predict based on models
It dosen't work. You can't unite 7 billion people like that when humanity is bound to tribalism.
>>78763509
You mean it's true due to human nature.
Nietzche didn't solve jack, he suggested a way to deny reality and fool delude yourself into finding meaning where there is none. His insight isn't anymore valuable than any other under such a context.
I have no problem with globalism as long as I'd be part of the elites.
I'm better than most of you cunts, I know it, and I thereby deserve a position that reflects my superiority.
Since I'm far and away not going to get that, however, then fuck it. I can rise higher in the current system. Maybe once I reach high enough we can negotiate.
>>78759588
I think living in that sort of world is too complicated for some, so they don't want to just die off.
>>78763789
2008 maybe?
>>78761984
I'm fairly sure only aliens would want humans recamixing until there's only one race.
no history, no tradition, no culture
You just labeled passions that nationalist can have as well (curiosity about the world, global economics, politics, culture, how they relate) but you will find that with this information, or lack thereof, is where you can separate a globalist from a nationalist.
You will find that the globalist sees no practical need for borders because culture is relative and not important, a diverse country is better then a hemogonous one. The globalist thinks trade deals between countries strengthen their economies, there is no need to worry about protectionism and job growth if the countries are mutual benefactors-financially. They believe that cooperation between countries will foster friendship and ease hostilities.
Nationalists tend to be fare more pragmatic. They see a need for borders, because humans are tribal and a homogeneous country with a similar culture/race works more closely and efficiently. The nationalist sees international trade deals as stifling to their countries desires, putting economic gain over job growth and industrial/manufacturing production. They see cooperation between countries as a double edged sword, preferring an independent foreign policy and a clear disdain for countries that go against their interests.
The difference as I see it is that globalists tend to be optimists who lack a realistic basis of historical precedence, and how countries/tribes have operated both now and in the past. They strike me as more misinformed and impulsive, working for a "better tomorrow" for the whole world without looking behind them to see that their agenda has been dragging these very people through the mud the whole time.
>>78763509
Also I didn't mean nihilism would make just make people feel bad.
Nihilism will destroy civilization.
>no armies
except the globalists in power will use armies and force to make people comply with what they want
>no borders, no nations
what (((they)))want is a retarded, easy to control populace of slaves. borders and nations are not conducive to this.
you may call yourself a globalist, which is fine, but the people we call globalists are of a different more malignant kind to whom you are a useful idiot.
>>78759695
cuckservatives are literally just white niggers
only libertarian master race will be allowed to live in utopia
globalism=communism=liberalism=anti-nationalism
>>78759588
You know those people from the World Vision commercials, living in mudhuts rotting away from disease in a 3rd world shithole who only need a dollar/day to get clean drinking water/school/leprosy meds? There's billions of them and under a globalist world government, people like you who live in the comforts of civilization and the means to maintain a higher standard of living will now have a portion of that reallocated to these 3rd world countries. Sometimes it's due to forced charity. Most other times, it's because your government cut a deal with that 3rd world country to export YOUR opportunities to them in exchange for profits that you'll never see or benefit from. And you still get put on the hook for the costs.
>>78759588
OP, you are Australian. You must understand this - quality of life for you in Australia (or here in USA, or in Europe, etc) is way the fuck higher than it is in China, India, Africa, etc. Most of the world is an absolute shit hole, and globalism aims to lower us down to their level.
Globalists want to decrease average annual salaries of all workers. Globalists want to slow the growth of the world population. Globalists want to increase the number and rate of corporate monopolies. Globalists want full control over corporate and central banking. Globalists want full control over currency. Globalists want full control over national governments. Globalists want to exist outside of national government by creating a global governance and a global currency. Globalists want to end competition for their wealth and create a permanent global upper 0.5% wealth class. Globalists want a return to the feudal system with their families forever at the top of the pyramid.
I don't care what you believe... as long as you don't plan on using force to make me agree and follow along with you.
Why stop with a One World Government? Let's all racemix so we can all have brown skin, brown eyes and brown hair!
>>78759588
>Globalists are by no means an elite circle of business or political leaders determined to push forward their agenda in a rapid-fire fashion.
Except that's exactly who would have power you retarded faggot
If you want to take care of everyone, why don't you do it with YOUR money?
Why do I have to be the mommy and daddy to the world?
globalism is jewish religion
>>78759588
Globalist agenda is funded by the greys. Fuck them.
globalism would only benefit the elites, who with such a system could instantly fill labour shortages anywhere in their global operation since they'd have an infinite supply of illiterate 3rd worlders to shuttle around. they'd also get the entire world population as consumers when releasing the latest trendy garbage.
welcome to your new life earning the global average salary of $1400/year. make sure you pay your taxes because your fellow earthlings in the sahara need new huts. don't like it? jamal from somalia here would love to take your place, and he won't complain
>>78764530
>>78764312
>>78764174
Nihonganon is right, as usual. Simple and poetic to the point.
>>78764408
Don't be silly, race mixing won't lead to all of us having light brown skin... just our children
>>78764024
i wouldn't agree it's true due to human nature.
you don't need a quantified system to feel happiness, or to tell you what you need to do in order to feel it.
nihilism states that there is no inherent value, which is true, but happiness is subjective and personalized or simply qualia.
also i think nietzsche did contribute, for one he defined nihilism to a great degree, while i do agree to an extent that his insight isn't more valuable than any other, it provides a good groundwork for self actualization and self fullfilment.
>>78764617
I'm tired of all this hate speech against the greys. The greys are just trying to strengthen us to prepare us for the Quickening.
someone post that comic of the kkk guy who travels the world in both a globalist and nonglobalist world.
>>78759588
Give me your address I'll send some maoris over to you place.
>>78764931
Sure they are.
>>78764123
the housing bubble collapse is people giving non existent money until such a number of people can't give it back that the whole system breaks.
>>78759588
If youre truly interested in and respect other cultures, then being a Globalist should be the last thing you refer to yourself as. I, as someone who does actually like to travel and experience new cultures, am repulsed by Globalism. When I visit a new country, I want to actually experience a new culture, not America 2.0 with a different national language, where the locals blast rap music, eat McDonalds and check their smartphones every 15 minutes for Facebook Likes. Unfortunately its too late for many once formerly fantastic countries. Globalism is fucking cancer, kill yourself.
>>78764190
i can see how it can destroy a culture, but a civilization is a little harder, i reckon.
there are so many systems that need to break down, and i don't think a dissolution of moral fabric can do that.
some things are not dependable upon a philosophy.
self preservation can overcome anything, in the worst case scenario even the destruction of a civilization.
>>78762565
So globalism is good for poor people,?
Sign me up then!
>>78759588
> Anyone with a curiosity to learn about the world around them - and an ability to keep an open mind and an interest in sorting out the changes being wrought every day - can consider himself or herself a "globalist"
That is probably the single worst definition of 'Globalist' I have ever come across OP, nice work.
>>78760063
Good
>>78762284
get a fucking job
>>78762258
THIS!
Nations are just too different culturally and economically to co-exist like that. Look at the EU, all of those neighboring countries, yet they were all still so different, that once the Euro was introduced, and the currencies equalized, it led to economic collapse of multiple nations. Now, its what you see today, a union of poorer nations sucking the powerhouses like Germany and the UK dry.
Now imagine that on a global scale. In theory, having richer nations aide the poor ones sounds good, but like communism, it doesn't work as well once actually implemented.
>>78761886
Best Korea cares about it's emissions!!
Why do you need lights on when you are asleep?
>>78765308
/thread
>>78759588
Globalist doesn't mean the same thing in the real world and /pol/ and its allied websites. I'm one too but these cucks think it just means I'm gonna go burn their crops and rape their women while they're forced to watch.
If we castrated everybody who wasn't from the united States, united kingdom, Canada, Australia, new Zealand and Ireland and renamed earth anglosphere - sure.
>>78759588
Globalism quickly alienates those unable to keep up.
This runs against the concept of your country being defined as how you treat your weakest member.
Doubly so when the same people threaten to vote you out.
I used to be for globalism due to prosperity it brings. I changed and after Brexit, apparently I'm not the only one.
GDP =/= happiness
I'll gladly tank the GDP if it means the elderly, uneducated, sick near me get a better chance.
The anti white-hetero male thing also didn't help I guess.
Meme time: Family means nobody gets left behind... also implies non-family can wait in line.
>Globalism quickly alienates those unable to keep up.
I thought 4chan posters professed to be of superior intelligence and thus should be well equipped to compete in the globalised world.
so, OP, how is the 66% of the world that's still tribal going to make this jump to Globalism?
>>78759588
Kill yourself
>>78765054
This. When I visit France, I don't want to be eating Slime food. I want to eat French food.
At this point, there really is no difference. It's the same with Germany, with Krautcucks banning sausages because it offends the Slimes. Because it's made out of haram pork.
Fucking Slimes.
>>78759588
The reality of globalism is becoming clear. The mature democracies should be settling into a phase of stability and new economic approaches for post-scarcity.
Instead we're now in a race to the bottom trying to compete with developing nations and growth driven by an out of control population explosion working at sweatshop rates.
The developed world imports those same people in an attempt to prop up their own growth, leading to precipitous demographic shifts. And instead of lifting the developing world up to our standards, all globalism will achieve is to bring us down to the level of the third world nations.
>>78760063
>this will never happen
>>78759588
As long as free travel is out of the question I'm okay with it.
The issue is race, race makes it impossible to get along. Some are savage and make peace impossible.
>>78765308
This so fucking much. I hate globalism because I actually enjoy the diversity of this world. Globalism is a cancer that makes culture and traditions slowly erode and disappear.
>>78759588
I'm a Communist. Why do some people see that as being a bad thing?
Anyone with a curiosity to learn about the world around them - and an ability to keep an open mind and an interest in sorting out the changes being wrought every day - can consider himself or herself a "communist." Communists are by no means an elite circle of academics or intellectual leaders determined to push forward their agenda in a rapid-fire fashion.
What unites communists a strong interest in understanding more about the modern global economy, politics and culture - and how these forces relate to each other.
A communist, in short, is anyone dedicated to figuring out how the world hangs together. That includes sorting out the dynamic political and social changes associated with communism, questioning them rigorously and seeking to correct them when necessary.
What is so wrong about that?
>>78759588
Governments need other governments to compete against so that they are forced to be better.
One government has no competition so it can do whatever the fuck it wants with no repercussions
>>78764351
>as long as you don't plan on using force to make me agree and follow along with you.
But there are cultures that exist to do just that, keep that border closed.
>>78768265
Is Vietnam a real county or is China just trolling?
>no armies
>no borders
>no nations
If a world like this existed you'd have warlords/clans within a week.
Oh you want to suppress them?
With what?
Your own group?
>>78769259
not an argument
>>78759588
The end game of of humanity is globalism.
The question is:
Will it be under a totalitarianism dictatorahip where we're all the same and repressed?
Or will it be a community of nations, all working togeher for the benefit of humanity?
We can either be forced into one world, or we can do it by consent.
Guess which I'd rather.
>>78766181
I've got one, fucknuts.
I probably make more in a week than you do in a year, because I live in a country that isn't an open toilet.
>>78768986
>>78759588
aussies stirring the shit again I see.
>>78769194
Thought you chaps would know
>>78762284
You might be dying really soon then if you aussies keep getting cucked by chicom money.
That's why you need lots of guns, it scared away the asians....which is ironic since they invented them.
>>78769259
>He doesn't have a regiment of bannermen ready to fulfill their oaths
>>78759588
Dunbar's Number
90% of people have nothing to offer. They cannot provide net productivity nor do they want to nor would they ever even if they wished it. Almost all of these people live in shitskin countries. I don't care about their shitty backwards cultures. I have no interest in visting their dirty and dangerous countries. I do not want to deal with them or talk to them. And I sure as shit don't want them to move here.
>>78769328
All of these arguments and you see fit to do this?
I was kinda expecting you to defend your position but you're apparently just shitposting.
Which pol/ person made this chat tinychat /conspiracytalk
MY Lord its like jewish central.
>>78759588
The problem is not everybody is like you and forcing it upon them isn't going to help matters.
>>78769986
You expected this to be a real thread to strike actual discussion? of course it was just shit posting.
>>78759588
We are a tribal people. It's in our nature. Enforcing us to all be members of the same tribe is hard enough in a country, let alone a continent or the whole world.
The result will always be conflict.
>>78770201
Yeah, I noticed the flag a bit after writing.
>>78759588
No borders means all the poor people move to the rich areas, they crowd it and make the life style go down the loo
The poorest people who don't want to move, they barely survive with the shit jobs if any, or they eat dirt like in haiti
The gap between rich and poor gets bigger
Globalism is a mass genocide, borders is what works, value your people, if everyone in that small area work together that's what's going to make them progress, even if is a slow progress
>>78769707
The whole time we fought Chinese and the alleged "Vietnamese" that spoke slightly different chingchong.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA: TURNING THE FORMER UNITED STATES INTO THE WORLD'S LARGEST LANDFILL. ALL FOR...
>6 billion Ayes
ALL OPPOSED...
>300 million neighs
AYES HAVE IT, TRANSFER OF GLOBAL DUMPING BEGINS IN A WEEK
>>78759588
>No armies
Globalism or not, without armies how will the human race fight the xeno scum?
what do people have against armies, borders and nations?
do they not know the functions of these, and realise the necessity of them?
globalisation isnt a bad thing in itself, but when its forced it is
I think the state should remain outside of everything as opposed to the current comunist world order where it's meddling in everything
>religion - they want to force churches to marry sodomites, pedofiles, faggots, zoophiles, you name it, the pope shills for economic migrants acceptance and global warming
>art - songs about refugees, about 'evil neo-nazis' who dont want their women to be mass raped by muslims, 'modern' art where sexual deviancies are pushed to be accepted as normal
>economy - where do I even start, the state should get the fuck out of this on a national level, and I admit that we have to have international norms for international companies, because 1 company with a larger yearly profit than the Netherlands GDP is asking for trouble
>other areas like gun control, feminism( or as I like to call it Justin Trudeauism)
our fight is really with the state as a social construct at this point, outside of the basic things like low level healthcare, prisons and police, we should cut the far spread tentacles of it
anyone who thinks the world is ready for no borders is seriously out of touch with reality
>>78770251
Even though it was I'm surprised how well this thread turned out and it has sparked some interesting discussion either way.
Because different groups of people want different things and forcing what you want onto them is morally wrong. Reduction of state power is inherently good and smaller states have less power.
>>78759588
>no armies
How the fuck are you going to enforce that dummy? With an army of police officers?
>>78759588
((( globalist ))) try talking to Nike factory owners about wages of his employees without getting killed.
>>78770472
It's almost not a shitpost.
>>78759588
>I'm a Globalist. Why do some people see that as being a bad thing?
No, you're an idiot.
>Anyone with a curiosity to learn about the world around them - and an ability to keep an open mind and an interest in sorting out the changes being wrought every day - can consider himself or herself a "globalist.
Globalists are the people that control the strategic division of labor across national boundaries to ensure they control the profits. If that isn't you then no, you are not a globalist.
>What unites globalists is a strong interest in understanding more about the modern global economy, politics and culture - and how these forces relate to each other.
Compared to the average idiot, sure - that and a whole lot of lust for power.
>What is so wrong about that?
Humanity got to where it is by having a shitload of different societies trying different things at the same time and COMPETING with eachother. Those that won attained more resources and those that failed either picked up some combination of ideas from others they liked or died off. We know of no other system to achieve this but we also know one singular thing above all else from the study of every single society that has ever existed on Earth: given enough time they ALL fuck up and die off.
Globalism means you have one vastly interconnected society, when it fucks up we go extinct.
To illustrate this further take a look at this animation of Human societies over time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKJYXujJ7sU
The thing which should stick out to you when watching is that society has expanded through exponential growth. See that vast fucking gap for the first ~10% of the video where pretty much nothing happened? That's the result of one society - fucking stagnation with a high change of extinction.
>I'm a utopian idiot
Good to know
>>78759588
> sorting out
Pic related.
>globalism is a blue pill being sold to us for decades now by the elites....it's a nice idea if it could actually work...but unfortunately it cannot work as brexit has just proved.....the problem being is that human nature like any other animal is territorial...selfish..greedy and most of all violent...there can be no unity without total cooperation and our differences will always outweigh what we have in common.
>>78764266
lolbertarians are despicable faggots who cant make up their mind. youre just a cuck and too afraid to admit it
>>78759588
FUCK OFF WE'RE FULL
>>78759588
Because people wont be on board with making sacrifices to people, places, languages, and cultures they cannot relate to. When given a choice between a country or nation and a globalist society or set of ideas, people generally choose their nation, because it is the most familiar and relatable.
>retards actually believe that regional traits and concentrated populations (aka cultures) will disappear if national borders aren't enforced
I mean just look at America! We have various global populations gathered here and everyone just magically lost all culture! We have no Italian culture, no British culture, no German culture, no Chinese culture or any sort of culture to speak of! It's not like cultural groups tend to congregate in certain areas of the country and cities and maintain cultural identity! Fucking globalism amirite?
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>>78759588
>Anyone with a curiosity to learn about the world around them - and an ability to keep an open mind and an interest in sorting out the changes being wrought every day - can consider himself or herself a "globalist." Globalists are by no means an elite circle of business or political leaders determined to push forward their agenda in a rapid-fire fashion.
why do you feel like you need to identify with the "globalist" label? can't you just have your hobbies? will you ever stop being so pretentious?
>>78771787
Why don't you come back in 50 years when the majority language of the USA is spanish.
>>78772315
i've lived 10 miles from the us-mexico border most of my life. my parents put me in an all spanish elementary school and i'm the whitest. i'm the only undercover cracker i've ever met.
i don't think you understand the comment you're replying to why did i write all of that?
>>78772315
Cool crystal ball. Wanna give me the winning lotto numbers while you're at it?
>>78771787
Go to paris and enjoy some of that nice french culture. Oh wait, there's no french people and culture left. Oh wait, you're too fat to even move and never visited anything outside of the states anyway.
Stay dumb and ignorant, amerifat.
>>78759588
Mfw I realize we can't have development without cultural homogenization under globalism.
mfw I realize /pol/ is against cultural homogenization
My fucking face when /pol/ is pro diversity.
>pol is one person meme
Frankly, /pol/, it doesn't matter. Globalism, like free market, isn't a matter that is seriously up for debate. It is a matter of course. It's going to happen. Because it is the only efficient way to go about things. All your rejections and machinations do not stop globalism, they simply alter the term on which YOU accept globalism. Because globalism will accept you regardless.
>>78768265
says the commie
>>78771787
>We have no Italian culture, no British culture, no German culture, no Chinese culture or any sort of culture to speak of!
It's right, you don't have ANY of that. All you have are cosplayers going full MUH HERITAGE.
>>78759588
No armies? So what are you gonna do then if I start one and start claiming territory?
>>78759588
Because not all cultures are equal
Brown third worlders outnumber civilized whites, so if we remove border it's their society we choose
>>78762258
"the one who loves life will take up the axe and sever the hands clinging to the gunwales"
I see you've read Pentti Linkola.
>>78773130
You're not allowed to because no armies.
>>78759588
If it's so good, why are you having to try sell it to us?
Leftie shill or JIDF
>>78759588
would give worldwide monopolies to corporations, killing competition from smaller companies. It's basically a facade for "monopoly".
>>78773330
And who will enforce that?
>>78772856
> Free market is possible because we enter it with self-interest
> Globalism is not in everyone's self-interest
Nice try though.
>>78759588
>I'm a Globalist. Why do some people see that as being a bad thing?
>Anyone with a curiosity to learn about the world around them - and an ability to keep an open mind and an interest in sorting out the changes being wrought every day - can consider himself or herself a "globalist." Globalists are by no means an elite circle of business or political leaders determined to push forward their agenda in a rapid-fire fashion.
>What unites globalists is a strong interest in understanding more about the modern global economy, politics and culture - and how these forces relate to each other.
>A globalist, in short, is anyone dedicated to figuring out how the world hangs together. That includes sorting out the dynamic political and social changes associated with globalization, questioning them rigorously and seeking to correct them when necessary.
>What is so wrong about that?
>>78773448
His very large and well equipped domestic police force, of course....
>>78772699
We may have lost to emus, but you ostriches will be the downfall of your own country. Keep your head in the sand man.
>>78773330
And how will you enforce this no army rule?
>>78759588
Because Arabs, niggers, poos, wetbacks and certain gooks. OK?
>>78767658
regardless of whether we personally profit from it - it is still a net negative for our society at large.
me making 200k a year from a finance job in frankfurt is nice. but is it worth seeing my whole country, my people and my culture get destroyed all around me? fuck no.
bottom line, i'd rather make 6000€ a year and live in the society my grandparents lived in than make 600.000€ a year and live in today's globalist shithole. some things money simply can't make up for - a healthy society, intact people and functional culture are among them.
>>78773492
Damn. It'd be almost like... An army or something.
Just my opinion but I don't think the best argument against globalism is the ruining our cultures. What scares me the most is a concentrated power of world elite who make all the damn rules. That sounds like tyranny.
The cultural thing is really secondary to the threat of expanding government. Culture will continue on if people are in a more free society.
>>78759588
>I'm a Globalist.
Revelation 17:13
These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
>>78769807
>Almost all of these people live in shitskin countries. I don't care about their shitty backwards cultures. I have no interest in visting their dirty and dangerous countries. I do not want to deal with them or talk to them. And I sure as shit don't want them to move here.
/thread
Go live out in India, The middle east, South America and Sub-saharan africa for a few years THEN come back and tell us you want a world without borders.
And I mean actually live there and see what daily life is like. Don't just go hit a few tourist traps where everybody is on their best behavior in hopes of trying to maintain an illusion of good publicity, actually fucking live out there long enough to grasp how shitty their world is and why it should stay there
>>78770368
>what do people have against armies, borders and nations?
hippie culture.
>dude uniforms are for conformist scum lmao
>woah man guns are scary! they kill people!
>like, fuck borders and shit! people die trying to cross them! that's fucked up man!
>nations are just a social construct! we are all one people! there is only one race, the human race!
>>78759588
Go away Schlomo
>>78773577
This is the best answer. If anyone else replies to this thread without saging, they are a dirty shill.
>Great idea, lets eliminate nations!
>Muslims move everywhere, no law to stop them beating you to death for not being Muslim
>Establish sharia/caliphate
>Trade several successful nations and a whole bunch of failures for one giant worldwide fuckup failure
...Great idea OP, but there's a reason noone listens to your ideas when you aren't online. You're fucking dumb.
>>78762165
>what you are talking about sounds more like a problem with government than globalization in general.
Yea. The problem is how do you govern a globalist society fairly. The answer is that you can't.
>>78773330
Too bad I have one and I'm claiming territory. What now? You gonna walk through a hail of bullets to arrest me? Or write me a strongly worded letter
>>78772800
/pol/ is for diversity on Earth, and against diversity in white countries only
>>78759588
No armies, no borders, no nations
Just warbands/PMCs, territories and areas under warlords and/or big ass companies.
Go away, Soros, nobody likes you.
>>78774064
Obviously OP will sit on floor and wait till you give up your army and your guns. It worked well for democrats in the US.
>>78773061
Buddy, you have no idea. That pic is the tip of the fucking iceberg, and it's why I want to stab the kidneys of every (hyphen)american I fucking meet with a blunted screwdriver. It's like the original special snowflake for us.
Heritage faggots make this country a giant novelty costume store.
>>78766319
Hi kike.
I see you are proud that this chink is regurgitating the "lifeboat" brainwashing themes.
Themes promoted at both "battlecry" gentile brainwashing (with negative suggestions and emotional manipulations of nihilism and cynacism peppered in to demoralize and submit shiksa goyum PIEfaces into obedient cognitive dissonance) classes and "birthright" zionazi kikemassa confidence building classes stressing the schnozpremacism of the ratfaces "gods chosen" master ethnicity.
>>78774361
My favorite part of this is how reactionary all of us gun nuts have gotten. I'm firmly convinced that a good amount of the others are, like me, treating it like a drinking game. Every time a pandering-cunt democrat ends up in the news pushing the gun control agenda, buy something firearm related.
>>78759588
The more decentralized things become - closer to the individual, the better. More freedom, variety, choices, more actual "diversity", etc.
>>78759588
Fellow globalist here.
Only a strong empire shall keep humanity together (until we conquer the stars, then politics starts at tribe level again just with fancy new gadgets and spess instead of sticks and horsearchers)
Also we need to purge the corrupt. There will always be replacements heads on that hydra but we need to clean the slate if we're going to get anywhere with a grand Earth conglomeration.
>>78759695
>muh overpopulation
>m-muh pollution
>muh resources
I am so fucking tired of this genocidal hippy speak, Earth could handle triple its current load more people the only reason we're having problems is because the people that breed like rats all stick together in packed slums and fewer people take up the countryside.
The only globalist fucktards who believe in that edgy drivel you do are pic related. Don't fall for their tricks.
If you're worried about overpopulation then help us reach the stars so we can send the excess pops to colonize in the name of humanity.
>>78759588
Globalism cannot be allowed to exist under capitalism, you fucking moron.
That is 666, you dumbfuck.
>>78774569
Golbalism is retarded. Unions are retarded. I support all succession movements. Imagine if Canada was split up into provinces with no federal oversight.
>>78773061
At least we have our own country, Achmed.
>>78759588
A global society is inevitable. Just look at human history to realize that.
The problem is that the political, financial and corporate elite of the world are trying to rush this process for their own gains in detriment of western society, culture and well being.
They masquerade their intention as progressive, as the representative of justice, fairness and modern, the "right side of history". "If this is what our future looks like, why not doing anything to get there quickly?" Well because changes of this magnitude should occur organically, naturally, not imposed by a minority who wants to take advantage on it and control the future.
A planetary society as I said is inevitable, but you want it to come to reality naturally, which means we all have a place in it? Or do you want one global society controlled by an elite of overlords?
If you really are a globalist, you should oppose all the movements that are taking place now to impose this new world order!
>>78759588
You wouldn't understand because no one wants to immigrate to your remote hellhole nation
>>78759588
I'm a globalist, but I promote imperialism.
I am for an army, for an army is required to maintain the authority of a singular, global state.
Anarchy is the greatest threat to man, and it can only be eliminated under global unification, whether it be through force or otherwise.
Borders do exist, but as of now, they are the horizon.
Rather than there being no nations, there are simply no nation-states. Only a planet-state.
>>78759588
> no armies
What about the EU army?
>>78775271
Says the shit hole full of spics and niggers.
>>78759588
Well, the idea is fine.
The globe as a whole is however too big to govern in any more in-depth way right now.
At best, what you get with actual government is incompetence to assign workloads to the right level of government. But it's almost certainly utter corruption instead, because one big juicy target attacked by 10000s of interest groups just doesn't work easily.
It's already terrible in the USA/EU/China/Russia, you don't want the whole thing in one global organization.
>>78759588
You don't get to redefine what globalism is.
Globalism, at least as spoken here, means the push of the global elite to eliminate soverign nation states and their peoples, in order to reduce them into subservient, rootless consumerist masses that could never oppose the globalist agendas.
Globalism=death of nations, peoples, and cultures.
Globalists are the enemies of all free peoples, and traitors to their kin.
You deserve to be put to death.
I would accept globalism if everyone was white.
>>78774699
Sorry to break it to you, but space is a tax wasting, oversubsidized waterfall of big gubment grants to the kikocracies freshest crop of inbred bullshit artists.
If humans (who I agree are not even close to overpopulated, but are draining nutrients and destroying ecosystems at alarming rates) can not make it on this lush green, water covered rock we were gifted...
HOW THE FUCK WILL THESE MONKEYS EVER MAKE IT ON A STEEL FRAMED PINWHEEL FLOATING IN A VACUUM?
Space is the fairy tale the kikes sell us when they are really desperate to distract us.
https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
https://atokenmanblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/03/136/
Kikes are infiltrating all indigenous (including gentile) ethnicities and assuming leadership representative roles. Kike, khazarian, birdfaced, pharacees, cousin fucking, perverted, hyperaggressive, passive aggressive, inbred supremacist, ethnocratic hypocrites are causing genetic drift and genetic bottleneck, intentionally.
>>78759588
my friend your pic it what we call anarchy
>>78775433
I would rather have our spics and niggers in ghettos far away than to have you kikefaced figjam crochunters on the same continent. Go suck Israels cock some more, go blow your Saudi boyfriend faggot.
>>78759588
>no armies
People will fight, it's human nature
>no borders
do you think there are enough resources for every human being in the planet?
>no nations
what do we do about religion? and race? what about resources like water or oil?
sounds cute, but in reality it won't happen.
>>78759588
globalist are shills for big companies who want across the board free trade which destroys 1st world nations because they cant compete with 3rd world labor
also without any tariffs to balance pricing with domestic and international goods cheaper shit always wins which drives down profitability of domestic operations
when will you globalist accept you are the source of decline in the global economy? 3rd world places need the 1st world to buy their shit but that cant happen if the 1st world collapses but the 1st world can survive without the 3rd
>>78775125
Sounds like a threat to our borders leaf, but luckily that much easier to roll over you moose fuckers with tanks once you are all busted up nationally :)
>>78775714
>this entire post
Not once have I witnessed such concentrated fatalism, ludditical cancer and subconscious misanthropy.
Just fucking kill yourself.
>>78775980
>Go suck Israels cock some more
>flag
is this ironic?
>>78759588
Nothing and if I actually believed that people were all equal and every culture was good and bla bla bla Id be a globalist too but I don't believe those things at all I think the world is full of shit places and shit people and I know that globalism is doomed. England can't even stand to be married to Germany, let alone China, or India, so I can tell you right now that globalism is doomed on day one, and any efforts to attain it should be abandoned immediately. The more infrastructure we build up to attain it the more chaos there will be when it all collapses.
>>78759588
People... it's always people.
Your Utopia will never be a reality while there are people living with iron age morality like sand niggers.
>>78759588
Fuck off
>>78759588
Go away you kike.
>>78776304
Haha a 'threat' . Nigga please. It is so easy to accidentally wander into the US from Canada.
Gloablisation actually is the best end game situation but i'm under the impression that massive cultures can never mix under social structures and never will
>>78759588
>Why transnationalists are morons
Look at the early 20th century. Globalism is the door to endless wars.
Now day 7 post OP
>>78777472
They can mix, it doesn't matter if they get along initially or not because the end reaction is the same:
1. A dominant world culture arises... overtime it becomes the only culture.
>>78759695
I am up for globalism too if the USA is the only country left standing in this world. Fuck everyone else.
>>78759588
Until we come across ayy lmaos it wont be needed
>>78759588
>Anyone with a curiosity to learn about the world around them can consider himself or herself a "globalist."
you don't know what globalism is
>>78777814
You'll still get a huge minority who cite their culture is better and it just leads to the typical breakdown. Fear and conquest are probably the most successful ways of instilling cultures
>>78759588
> I am faggolist.
kek
>>78759588
>mfw we could be exploring space right now and colonizing planets instead
>mfw religion would slowly disappear if people would get exposed to modern or better standards of living
>mfw we could have mobility anytime, anywhere since humans were not made to be born and die in one single place
>mfw we could help one another and make robots do manual labor, instead of overworking less fortunate
>mfw brilliant people in less fortunate countries could have access to education and reinvent the world along with the existing scientists rather than die working a shitty job
>mfw we could be focusing on progress instead and be proud to be a citizen of the world
It's a perfect dream anon, but with the current political views I doubt we will see any of this in the newxt few hundred years... It's depressing when we could have have it all but we choose to do shitty meme jokes to one another even in real life.
>>78759588
Globalism doesn't work in the present day because often the people you're trying to understand or accept only want to leech off or overthrow you.
Go to another Globe then if you don't like Earth's Nationalism and tens of thousands of years of seperate Racial Evolution.
>>78759588
Because there are countries out there that have different ideas what the laws of a global world should be...
And they're willing to kill you over it.
So fuck you. Borders until they learn to get along.
>>78765054
>travelling freely around the world
>nationalism
Pick one
>>78759588
Why is noone adressing the fact that people will just create their sovereign territories after globalism will take practice? Do you really believe people wont band together and say fuck it? Or you want a constant civil unrest 24/7 around the entire globe?
Even if you would erase all culture, races, identity or religion people would just create new ones anyway and band together.
YOU CANT EFFECTIVELLY CONTROL PEOPLE IN LARGE AREAS. For fucks sake study history of large nations or just human nature in general.
If you consider it on a global scale, it's probably a net positive.
That being said the stats are heavily skewed by poo in loos, chinks and literal mud hut niggers.
End of the day everyone is reduced to a low income serf class. For those in turbo poverty it'd be a godsend, but for the average westerner it would be a literally unconscionable drop off the face of the earth in terms of livability.
I for one don't give a fuck and think globalization should go fuck itself, fuck the chinks, fuck the niggers, fuck the spics, i want my 1 income family with 3 cars, 2 properties, a boat and 5 kids safely in college with money for retirement and a healthy inheritance for my offspring. And I don't care if i have to stomp out the dreams of a million niglets and kikes to do it.
>>78759588
>flag
>wanting to be a cultureless consumerist drone
Top lmao
>>78778673
>YOU CANT EFFECTIVELLY CONTROL PEOPLE IN LARGE AREAS. For fucks sake study history of large nations or just human nature in general.
Simple, hierarchical authority structures and small units of organization. The inefficiencies of large nations stems from the attempt to leverage direct control over large groups of people, rather than indirectly.
>>78778848
Nope.
The people in 1st world countries have the most to gain from globalism
If you left behind its cos you were dumb and lazy
>>78778407
Globalism holds us back from all of that you idiot. Developing countries will suck money and resources from us and stagnate progress, not assist us. You clearly have never been to one before- they are "developing" still for a reason.
>>78779176
>Simple, hierarchical authority structures
So globalism = tyranny
what else is new?
>>78778497
This
>>78779226
Rich and smart maybe, but realistically only a minority of people, even westerners will benefit from Globalization in the long term.
>>78779240
>developing countries suck resources from 1st world countries
Lel stop posting
>>78759588
The only thing Globalism has done, is serve the elite and super rich.
>>78779447
Thats most people are dumb and lazy
>>78779240
No, burger, I've never been to one because I literally cannot afford it despite working a mid tier job since I was 19.
They would need help yes, but once you make sure everyone has access to basic housing and food, the benefits would highly outweigh the initial investments.
>>78759588
The main problem with the world are non-europeans, until that gets sorted out it's build wall all day erryday
>>78759588
The only way globalism works, is if one nation wipes out the rest of humanity, and takes over.
the cultural and political differences are so radical around the world, that it simply will not work.
>>78778529
I don't see how nationalism prevents tourism.
>>78779559
They win the most out of it, but it would be the same under nationalism
Bottom line is powerful people win the most no matter what
>>78759588
Because its an unrealistic fantasy. Globalism might work in 50000 years when we are all basically the same race, but right now its forced
>>78779719
Under Nationalism the state is served, meaning it's people also. It serves the people more when the resources are put to the United States itself instead of defending Mozambique from locusts.
>>78779664
>hurr durr what are passports and visas
>>78779491
In a Globalist economy they most certainly will, stupid dipshit. Some countries in Africa dont even have water FFS.
>>78779830
Citation needed
