Why is the left so against nationalism? It bothers me that I'm seeing all my favorite musicians, writers, and scientists coming out and speaking about how awful Brexit is, how awful and racist and "Nationalist" these people are.
What is wrong with nationalism? Why does the left assume wanting to keep your nation safe and prosperous is a bad thing? Why do they think it is racist to have borders?
The most important thing I am asking you guys is why do people have a problem with nationalism?
Globalism meme was powerful but all normies use it now so its dying
Because a wide majority of nationalists are just paranoid that everyone is out to get them. There are a few of you guys who have at least legitimate understandings of what you support, but for alot of people nationalism just means not having to deal with scary brown people.
>>78739074
said the white liberal from his white suburb
>>78739170
I live in a college town in AZ. If I went to Mexico it would probably be less ethnic because at least tourists go down there pretty regularly.
It's actually funny you use that argument; growing up around here is the whole reason I think you guys are full of shit. 20+ years of time around immigrants far outweighs 8 years of rhetoric about them.
>>78739429
Please have sex
>>78739429
why don't you go live in Mexico then to test out this theory?
Globalists never actually live in the shitholes they demand that the west needs to turn into.
>>78739429
>Arizona Non-Hispanic whites formed 57.8% of the total population
so in other words you live in a still (barely) majority white state and think that Mexico (which is 10% white at most) is somehow "better"?
Typical retarded globalist talking out of his ass.
>>78739429
>College town
There's your fucking answer, idiot. Try going somewhere poor.
>>78738694
>I'm seeing all my favorite musicians, writers, and scientists coming out and speaking about how awful Brexit is
You must really idolize Jews
>>78738694
Nazis were nationalistic. They think every human is absolutely equal, being proud or in favor of your nation is discriminating against people from other nations.
Of course being nationalistic is not the same as being racist or xenophobe, but since they come out of their cult that shuns anyone speaking against them, they One-up each other with stupid paroles and strawmen.
You like to fuck women? Homophobic. You are in favor of your nation? Xenophobic.
You don't hate men and don't hate foreigners for being male or from another country. But since the left only thinks in demographics and black and white, they fall into an us-vs-them mentality and any doubt or second guess will make you the villain. It's a cult.
>>78738694
because it leads to repression
whats the pic have to do with anything?
>>78738694
Is that you? You look cool.
>>78738694
leftism is codeword for self-destruction induced by ((()))
>>78738694
It all boils down to the fact that nationalism is inherently against the left, mass immigration disrupts nationalisms by watering down the native population and thus gives more power to the left.
It's not that those that control the left are against nationalism, just that it keeps them in power to keep in check through mass immigration.
>>78738694
Well, my fellow Canadian friend, most musicians can't make as much money without international help.
This is why I don't look at Weed debates, because there's always growers on one side and hardcore Christians on the other. Same with prositution and porn; sluts on one side, Hardcore Christians on the other. The polarization is caused by special interest. I've become a confucianist; it's great, because he was an ethnocentrist, and many of his philosophies I personally understand, because the island I live on has been the most conservative area in Canada for over 200 years.
>>78743609
+1. it's funny how these people running around calling everyone racist are themselves only able to see race.
>>78744515
>repression
>the US and Britain two of the most nationalist countries on earth were the first to adopt a bill of rights.
>all the rights you have today in teh anglosphere are thanks to the rights granted to Englishmen
>French nationalism came about from the overthrow of the oppressive Feudal aristocracy
People who are against nationalism should just fucking kill themselves.
The corporations lobotomized the left, they are puppets now.
They are not liberals, they are globalists / nihilists.
>>78739429
>college town
I know you type of guys. You made me laugh every time i had to deal with you at University. Boys with more or less rich parents, a house, two cars who believe the son of the exil iranian Doctor living next to them is an example for every muslim.
You go for vacation to places like Cuba or Mexico, staying in four or five star Hotels, with a lot of money and an health isurance card. But you never go to the real shitty places because that would be far too dnagerous.
And when you are back at home you tell your liberal friends how much of an " natural " live the people you met live and how far better that Live style is than your " capitalist " Life at home.
>>78738694
because it destroys societies so they can replace it with their utopia
>>78738694
It's fucking insane how they act like loving your country and putting it above others is the same as racism and is evil.
>>78745243
sorry Life not live
>>78738694
Celebrities are puppets. I don't necessarily believe in the traditional God and Satan, but they are certainly luciferian.
Here, related to the topic of Nationalism and how retarded Multiculturalism is in opposition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC4QiNPFBUQ&index=1&list=FLN_0WnioRVzKc5tgXkhlokA
>tfw no western Sun Yat Sen
socialism, nationalism, and democracy
>>78738694
Explain your image, OP.
>>78739429
yeah man, because the occasional mexican illegal in tempe is totally representative of what's going on in europe with north african / middle eastern immigrants.
i grew up in phoenix and i think you're full of shit.
In first world countries only. You can bet that in countries like mine, lefties are pretty nationalistic and almost always against good diplomatic relations with Europe and the US.
>>78738694
Nationalism is anti-globalist. The agenda is pumped into their mush-brains from the top down.
>>78744596
>>78745707
It's just me. Only pic I have on my new computer.
Interesting conversation so far. Please continue.
>>78745243
THIS
>>78739429
... Tucson?
You know how this University Beta male " i love foreigner and hate natiolism " shit looks froma german perspective ? Here you go :
Part 1:
On the one side we have the typical german kid, lets call him Torben.
If he has two parents, so Mother and father, they both work, live in a nice Neighbour Hood maybe own a House. In many Cases his parents are divorced and he was raised by his Mother. And he is a single Child. The richer his parents are the more common it is that they vote for the Green Party, despite the fact that they own two cars, the second often a SUV. They teach Torben that all people are equal, violence is bad and that he has to stay away from conflicts or settle them by talking.
From the Moment he goes to the Kindergarden, most of his teachers are women, always counteracting the moment he acts like Boys normally do.
Years later Torben goes to a higher german School like the Gymnasium, he does football and maybe another teamsport like Volleyball, sometimes Tennis. But no Kickboxing or boxing, no MMA or any other martial art. He smokes weed, is in some way unpolitical or left but only because Home, School and Media taught him nothing else, expect a Che Guevara poster in his room or later in his flat when he goes to University.
>>78749456
Part 2:
On the other Side is Mehmet.
Mehmeds father is often unemployed and hangs around in the Turkish teabars around the main train stations. His mother is often a bought bride from Turkey that speaks very little german. She doesn’t need it anyway because she can get any official paper in Turkish, no matter if a driving license test, social welfare etc. Mehmed lives in a part of the City where mostly other Turks or muslims immigrants live, there is simply no need to even speak german.
Mehmed has several brothers and cousins, violence - no matter if in his own family or by his older relatives - is nothing uncommon for him. He visits the lowest form of the german school system, the Hauptschule or sometimes a special school for the slow learners. He is proud of Turkey and its president Erdogan, even if he cant speak proper Turkish but some underclass turk-german mix.He goes to the gym and plays football too but also kickboxing, boxing and other martial arts.
When he goes for trouble he stays away from Russians, serbs or polish guys because he knows that these guys defend themselves. And if he gets in trouble he can call his brothers, cousins, friends and they arrive in no time no matter what time because most of them don’t have to get up in the morning for work.
And one Day Torben and his friends meet Mehmed and his friends in a train or a bus.
On whom would you bet your Money….?
( Yes the squating Slavs )
>>78745243
>tfw I went to Brazil in 2014 for carnival
>see all the 'safe' rich people in their guarded apartment blocks
>someone here at home tells me how 'progressive' Brazilians are
>>78745178
>Snowden
>Assange
>>78747288
how tall are you?
>>78750259
I agree
globalism whittles away our rights in order to serve multinational corporate interests.
>>78738694
Jews.
I don't see how the social justice "utopia" the left wants is even possible without nationalism. Theory is well and good in an academic setting, bit if you want the average Joe to think in 'social justice' terms, then appealing to culture and neighborly feelings seems far more effective.
>>78745243
Pretty much this. These people think they're so well travelled, in reality they've never left the places roped off for precious rich white people (and their money).
They think they're such magnificent intellectuals, but they avoid anything written by "problematic" authors from before the advent of social justice. Kipling, CS Lewis, even fucking Shakespeare are all avoided for bullshit reasons.
And they follow "I fucking love science!" on Facebook. They've never read anything tedious, never known the reward of understanding something complex in any kind of depth after hours of studying.
Seriously, >>78739429 , fuck off you piece of liberal shit.
>>78745637
good vid
>>78750615
Their utopia is a corporate controlled globalist "super state".
Basically globalism has replaced communism after communism failed.
Notice the idolatry liberals give to Tech CEOs who want to bring in millions of illegals and outsource all your jobs to east asia.
>>78750820
Yes. I've watched self-described left-wingers praise the European Union experiment since the Brexit. Nevermind that there's a level of corporate influence in Brussels and a lack of transparency that would make an American blush.
>>78750491
>serving multinational corporate interests
thats crony capitalism.
>>78738694
They are philosophically committed to a hyper-materialistic worldview. To the leftist there is simply no such thing as a nation or a culture of any worth, as these would seem to imply that there is something to humanity and personhood besides human biology. If all humans are exactly the same there is no need for different cultures or nations. These would be, in fact, objectively harmful, since there is only one type of human there must be only one perfect human culture. And any culture that is not this One Perfect Scientific Apex culture must therefore be destroyed.
>>78751048
Crony capitalism at the center of a very profitable utopian cult. Who'da guessed?
>>78738694
Nationalism is a barrier to Jewry.
If nations do not have sovereignty over their own people, then multi-national corporations will, which is just another way of saying that the banks will. So the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund will write the laws you live by, not your elected officials. This is why "Nationalism is bad" is a meme for the Left - because they are too stupid to understand that having no nations means having one nation, the banker's nation.
>>78751048
which is called globalism when the multinationals that are attempting to destroy the sovereignty of the nation state and replace it with elites and oligarchs who answer to no ones.
>>78751019
No one is more anti working class than the modern liberal. They are as against labor as they are against whites.
It's no surprise that it's the leftist supported UN policy to replace all whites in Europe in order to get access to cheaper labor
>United Nations projections indicate that over the next 50 years, the populations of virtually all countries of Europe as well as Japan will face population decline and population ageing. The new challenges of declining and ageing populations will require comprehensive reassessments of many established policies and programmes, including those relating to international migration.
>Focusing on these two striking and critical population trends, the report considers replacement migration for eight low-fertility countries (France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Russian Federation, United Kingdom and United States) and two regions (Europe and the European Union). Replacement migration refers to the international migration that a country would need to offset population decline and population ageing resulting from low fertility and mortality rates.
http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/migration/migration.htm
>>78751632
>they are too stupid to understand that having no nations means having one nation, the banker's nation.
They understand that it will be a world of international finance ruled by elites
that's why the explicitly support it and all other globalist policies like mass immigration and outsourcing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-PlqqK9B9Y
The thing is every liberal fancies themselves as the "elites" who will be running things just like under communism.
>>78738694
Read this quote by Orwell:
>Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism. Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved. By ‘patriotism’ I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.
Now I'm not saying this is the way you SHOULD define these terms, it's just a useful distinction to be able to make.
If what you're talking about is "patriotism," there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. All the greatest most beneficial nations of the last few centuries have had extremely patriotic populations. It's what makes people willing to suffer for their children's future, people they may never meet. It's what the UK remainers have been, hopefully, prevented from squandering.
EU multikult is the same psychological phenomenon as orwell's "Nationalism." People give over their own sovereignty, even their personal safety, over to a dangerous philosophy that doesn't have their best interests at heart.
>>78738694
The EU give a lot of money to arts institutions, to media, to schools. They're bought out.
That said, as someone with extensive art world connections/friendships, you're only seeing a small slice of it.
A well-kept secret is that a lot of artists are actually redpilled and are secretly rooting for anti-globalism, and are tired of identity politics at this point.
It seems like a lot speak up in support, but even more are abstaining from commenting, and a chunk of those are sympathetic to our outlook. This includes underground musicians and famous actors/actresses.
>>78745243
PREACH IT HANS
>>78752315
That's actually really nice to hear, even if it may not be true. I'm so sick of every artistic thing anyone ever does shoving some cringe-inducing political statement in the work that had been up until then completely devoid of any political undertones.
>>78752315
>>78752677
It's the parasites attached to those artists (the managers, the promoters), who shove the cringe-worthy PC bullshit on the world. They are the filter, not the artists themselves.
>>78750262
6'3".
>>78739429
I stayed in mexico to visit some relative. I can tell you tourist only show up during the day and leave once the sun set. They visit all the tourist attraction and buy local stuff at the villages to bring back souvenirs. They don't come their to experience the culture and the problems that the people face. They go their to show off to their friend about their fun trip to Yucatan and how "culturally enlightened" they are when the usual stayed with the tour group.
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/6720774
>>78753187
why do you always post pics of yourself?
>>78739821
I fucking hate spics so much
