More than 2.5 million people have signed a petition calling for a second EU referendum, after the vote to leave.
>>78724488
2/3rds of them were foreigners.
Democracy has already spoken.
dumb animeposter
>>78724488
and 17 million voted to leave lmao
>>78724488
They're going to get their way. The whole referendum was a blunder by David Cameron who was trying to get Farage off his back. That's why he had to quit-- it wasn't because he misunderstood the will of the people, it's because his EU masters forced him out after fucking up so badly.
There isn't a chance in hell they're going to let Britain go. They're not the kind of organization they tell people they are-- they're a corrupt empire. One that makes the US Fed at its worst look like the platonic ideal of democracy.
>>78725432
Holy hell I want to live in that MP's district.
>>78725758
>They're going to get their way
I hope not. I'm a lefty and supported Remain, but that referendum was decided fair and square. A second one would be devastatingly damaging to the democratic process.
Remainers, it's time to cut your losses and move on.
>>78725455
This. Fucking anime posters never leave the confines of their moms basement, so really they shouldn't have an opinion on real world situations, let alone politics.>>78724488
>>78725432
>sent from iPad
What a faggot.
>>78725432
WEW
>>78725369
Yep. I've signed 3 times already. #OpCuckTears
>>78724488
Most of whom are not even British
>>78725866
Yeah he's pretty rad.
>>78724488
The EU has a history of ignoring the will of the people (France) and calling for re-voting until they get the result they want (Ireland).
Won't need one, article 50 will not be activated. They ain't gonna do it. Boris only did this to make a play for the leadership, he never really wanted UK to leave.
You're gonna get cucked out of your victory.
>>78724488
thats not how democracy fucking works. they voted and lost.
>>78725758
I was wondering how would /pol/ spin things off if it turned out it was all a bluff and Farage fucked up, this might be it.
>>78726411
>re-voting until they get the result they want (Ireland).
Source?
>>78724488
I dont understand how this is valid. 16 million people voted to remain compared to 17 million leave votes. How the fuck is getting 2.5 million on a petition any reason to re-vote? Unless they get more people signing the petition than people who voted leave, then i dont see why this even matters.
>>78726327
Send this shit to your MP and spread it that most people that signed this petition are not Brits, they are buttmad Euros, as well as Africans and Arabs.
>>78726695
Let's do it.
16.5M signatures from not the UK.
>>78726056
God damnit, fuck, your post almost brought a tear to my eye because it's so fucking rare to see an honorable leftist. Fucking hell it's dark times we live in.
>>78725758
I'm telling you this as your latest ally, please stop it's past the point of embarrassing.
>>78726704
I posted this on a thread on facebook asking people to sign the petition, I checked it awhile ago and the thread was deleted lol.
>>78725369
Democracy is why the West is getting weaker..
>>78726327
Check again.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215.json
why does it now say 2,401,768 are from the united kingdom? Last time i checked it was only 360,000.. can anyone else confirm?
>>78724488
the vote is cast
the result is valid
the vote is over, gg labour
>>78726327
>>78726704
Save yourself the embarrassment and look at your own image.
UK is used as a general term, you can see others like Livingston or Glassgow
>>78726668
Understand I don't think the worst the EU can do to them will be worth staying under the EU's thumb. Since I'm american, you can take my opinion with a grain of salt if you want, but if I were a brit I'd gladly accept whatever they could throw at me.
My heritage is in Britain (specifically Wales and Ireland), the idea that it might still exist in 200 years makes me all kinds of happy.
>>78727511
>>78727625
>See flag
>>78727306
Stop what in particular? The pessimism or the paranoid theories of EU rule?
>>78726327
>522 from Israel and growing
Fucking kikes
>Jewnited States 9721
>United Arab Emirates 1701
>Saudi Arabia 125
>Pakistan 84
>Turkey 249
>India 223
>China 277
>France 16281
>Germany 6167
>Sweden 1144
>Spain 10407
>Greece 607
A shitload of MP votes from Edinburgh and Glasgow
Nothing to see here, goyim, these are all British votes!
>>78727693
Europe wont exist in 200 years. Its own people will destroy it
>non-white country wants independence, restricted borders, and tighter control on their own goverment
>good on them, they deserve it
>historically white country demands the same
>everyone loses their mind
>>78728029
All the more reason for Britain to not be in the EU. That way my point.
>>78724488
reminder
http://archive.is/2ctr8#selection-1267.0-1230.23
>>78727625
That's another group. You have signatures_by_country and signatures_by_constituency.
>>78727841
Fuck off, moron. Look at the facts instead of what you want to see like a libshit.
17 million people voted to brexit
2.5 million signatures is nothing
>>78724488
NEVER EVER
>>78724488
Stop culturally appropriating Karen, shill.
>>78727853
As opposed to the pessimism or the paranoid theories of Independent UK rule?
Thankfully we will cull retards like you when Trump is elected.
>>78728141
Unless leaving the EU makes Britain float away from Europe, they are still part of it
And as far as self-destruction. I think they have a headstart
>>78726056
>that referendum was decided fair and square
Yes and no. According to the terms of the referendum, it was fair and square. However, it should never have been allowed on a simple majority.
You may say I'm just assmad that Remain lost. That's certainly true, but it's not the reason. Before the ref, Are Nige said that if Remain won 52 to 48 then it was unfinished business and he'd keep pushing for a second ref. Basically, Leave would just keep causing shit until they got a result they liked. Now, how is it fair that Leave is a one and done deal?
>>78726335
It's surprising he's still in the job, to be honest. Most MP's are expected to never step out of line or share any controversial opinion. He brings the lols.
>>78728200
You seem upset
>>78728708
Doing any more referendums is just going to create an even worse result for the country as the propaganda and manipulation from both sides tears you apart even further.
also this "simple majority" is a good 1.6 million people
>>78724488
more than 17 million people voted lesve. hmmm
>>78728708
Referendums shouldnt be about important things in the first place. Those should be voted about in the parliament.
The whole concept of direct democracy is simply twisted. Its perverse to let people who know absolutely nothing about the subject decide and just claim that something is right because 51% of people say its right
>>78728708
>Before the ref, Are Nige said that if Remain won 52 to 48 then it was unfinished business and he'd keep pushing for a second ref
Provides no source
>>78724488
Never because if Stay won they would never allow a revote. This is just a basic case of losers being salty.
>>78728708
How is it fair that David Cameron said to Farage thereally would be no such "2nd referendum" but now is coincidently silent when liberals do it? Talk about hypocrisy.
>>78728924
Don't get me wrong. I don't think there can, or should be another ref. It's just pretty crappy that this one was fucked up so monumentally.
As for a second ref. tearing the country apart - hello, have you seen what's happening now? It's already gone to shit. I predict a wave of anti-geriatric crime to pay those fuckers back for what they did.
Yes a second ref. would add another tier to an already gale-force shitstorm, but that hardly matters at this stage. The problem is that half the country want something the other half don't. Whoever wins a vote, doesn't stop half the country being mad.
>>78724488
"democracy is only valid when it suits my interest"
i guarantee you there will be no second referendum, they had their chance
>>78728999
It'd be fine if you were talking about education budget, or import tariffs or something. Those are the kind of things you elect your representatives to handle for you.
Brexit was about cultural identity and self determination. The kind of thing you simply *can't* trust to a special class of people.
>>78728999
Thank you. Could you be more based, Czech Republic? I think not.
>>78724488
https://youtu.be/1nKGAI8iqyc
>>78729414
Fortunately if you don't like democracy and prefer what the E.U offers you can leave.
Get the fuck out of the country and leave it to people who want self determination and sovereignty. You don't want that?
move to some E.U state.
>>78729093
My bad. Here, sauce yourself silly:
>http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017
>>78728470
Care to run that by me one more time? I think your english is busted.
What exactly is the benefit of remaining?
>>78729461
>cultural identity and self determination
Empty words
Brexit is mostly an economical decision.
>>78727882
so France is more cucked than Germany...
>>78729910
How does removing yourself from the E.U laws and regulations mean you aren't getting your self determination back?
>>78729621
>Get the fuck out of the country and leave it to people who want self determination and sovereignty
And who will mostly be dead within 15 years. Yeah, no. I don't think I'll leave just because the boomers chose to settle a score they had with Ted Heath.
By the way, the Queen says you should fuck off too.
people like her who live in hug boxes, I'm surprised she hasn't had more trolling on twitter desu
> ashamed because of democracy
kek
>>78730074
84% or those old people actually got up and voted for the future of their country. Bad hips and cold get fucked, they knew it was important.
maybe if more then 34% of the youths could be bothered rolling out of bed and practicing their democratic rights we wouldn't be in this situation.
and why exactly do you think a young persons vote should hold more value then an older persons? you don't think they're voting in the interest of their families as well?
>>78729866
For our generation, principally freedom to live and work in any one of 27 countries.
For businesses, direct access to the single market and trade deals negotiated collectively with other countries.
For a continent which has a habit of going to war, principally peace.
>>78724488
I would expect about 15 million signatures for such a petition, it really shouldn't mean anything, since you could get 17 million signatures for a counter petition.
>>78729159
Because they despise Farage and now his 20+ years of work to get us out of the EU is going to be totally ignored. They do not want him to be involved the negotiations. Vote leave was a vote for Nigel not Boris or May.
Look at the number of votes from the Vatican. Over 2k despite having a population of 400. It's been proven from someone on /pol/ that bots are signing the petition. I'd be surprised if even half of those votes came from real people. And then how many of those are from the UK? And of those, how many are from eligible voters? We know that greasy faced teenagers are the most likely to want to stay, and most likely to use social media, so in all likelihood the number of genuine eligible British voters signing that petition probably isn't more than 500k
>>78730074
That's an interesting way of rationalizing why older people voted to leave. Not because they voted in the self interest of their country, as is the reason anyone votes, but out of spite. You should probably take a step back from your biases and reevaluate why you rationalize that because there is no good reason to.
>>78729983
As long as you are trading with the EU you still have to abide by their regulations.
>>78729910
The fact you say that demonstrates a lot about your character and the basic assumptions you've brought to the argument. There's no chance you're going to understand my point of view.
>>78730074
In 15 years those whiny younglings will have matured considerably, being more experienced and more removed from their youthful rebellious years. There's every chance in the world you'll someday thank god they saved you from making a terrible mistake.
Even whinging about how little lifespan they have left is fucked up. It shows how selfish, short-sighted and petulant your side really is. I really hope a good portion of your countrymen grow out of it, I really do. Otherwise I'd have to concede that your people wasn't worth saving at all.
>>78728898
>literally proud of being a moron
Here, for you https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VKQ2KuLup7wPJGb5i8zFN9kcAnQqO6ntOxLmrw6--Ds/edit?usp=sharing
>>78729858
You're basically concern shilling.
>>78729414
>old people don't think like i do
>better commit crimes against them
>rather than respecting that their decision might be the result of accumulated wisdom which i do not possess
this is why millenials are fucked
stop this meme please
>>78730680
what about their human rights laws and other laws though?
now the U.K can effectively turn back any boats filled to the brim with illegal immigrants and can tell anyone who says "but muh human rights" to fuck off
300 years ago, the Welsh pioneered the use of sheep skin condoms to cut down on unwanted pregnancies.
A few days ago, they improved its use by just fucking themselves, instead.
>>78730725
>concern shilling
Do you think I'm a remainer or something? Fucking hell no. Hell to the fuck no.
>>78730464
Surely that only affects a small minority of the country though. I know some people who voted remain because the might work abroad one day even though they don't know another language.
Surely the payoff from not having to carry the shitter countries in the EU makes up for that especially if a country like Turkey joins
Are we not in the UN for that
>>78730801
Human rights are a UN thing.
>>78724488
Check out best korea, vatican or antartica votes. Yea, no not going to happen sorry
>>78726480
I know the general view of Boris is that he's a bit of a bumbling clown, but I think even he has a sense of self-preservation.
i.e. Not being immediately killed.
>>78730969
it hurts when you lie to my face
Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union (2000)
>>78730969
>>78730801
To be fair, "refugee" boats mostly turn up in the mediterranean.
But now, hopefully, they will have leeway to deny free movement to rapefugees like the Merkel et al want.
>>78730407
>34% of the youths voted
citation?
>why exactly do you think a young persons vote should hold more value then an older persons?
Because this was a once in a generation chance to shape the future of Britain. The majority of votes to leave were cast by people who won't be around to see or care how massively they've fucked this up.
>you don't think they're voting in the interest of their families as well
Obviously, I don't have reliable data for this. But anecdotally, based on the old cunts I've heard talking about the subject, no, I don't. Their reasons were principally:
>1) Ted Heath lied in 1973. We should never be in Europe
Except we are (or were). They were voting as though it were still '73. Which is batshit insane.
>2) Taking back our country
From whom? The EU never ran the country. The only people they've taken the country from is their children and grandchildren.
Fuck 'em.
>>78726327
I believe the constituents below the highlighted area do add up to 2+ mil however I imagine if this image got pushed around social media enough idiots would believe it
>>78731339
illegal immigrant boats show up in Australia too because they know if they reach the main land there is a good chance we can not send them back due to human rights violations.
as you say, these people could get free movement with in Europe and then they could illegally hop on another boat and try make it to England.
it is not worth this happening as when those tragedies happen and they all drown, no liberal or whatever fuck heads will take a drowned Syrian boy and then use him as propaganda to win hearts and minds.
control over borders in the very essence of statehood
>>78731464
https://twitter.com/SkyData/status/746700869656256512
>>78731207
He is politically fucked either way though.
If he stays, he is fucked.
If he goes ahead and leaves, Scotland will most probably go independent, and he ends up being the guy that broke the UK.
>>78731339
> they will have leeway to deny free movement to rapefugees like the Merkel et al want.
They will also have to handle a land border, which is far harder than a sea border, if they ever hoped to stop illegal immigration this is a worse scenario than before.
>>78729414
Most of the people who voted "remain" weren't even true Brits, they were British in name only but were actually shitskins from Africa and the middle east, who want to take over Europe.
>>78730675
Do you know anyone who voted in the referendum? I think it's just possible that I have a better grasp on the niceties of the situation than you do in Buttfuck, MO.
See: >>78731464 for a first idea of the situation. If that doesn't clarify anything for you, I'm happy to educate you further.
>>78731464
The EU controls laws that England has to abide by otherwise the E.U can dole out consequences.
you can't be a sovereign nation with laws being made outside your borders by foreigners, I am so proud of the brits today for choosing self determination over the cancerous E.U.
>>78731299
Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948)
>>78726139
You can tell that was typed in to make her even more butthurt bro. Sent shouldn't be capitalized
>>78730801
Where's this boat coming from, France? They can fuck off if they think they're claiming asylum from France
>>78731985
If they're being persecuted and can bring evidence saying that they may be killed in whatever country they came from for religious views or whatever you can not send them back
>>78730754
>rather than respecting that their decision might be the result of accumulated wisdom
Well yes, that's certainly a possibility. It's also possible that these people formed their most important memories at a time when Britain still had an Empire and the EEC was a pipe dream, and they have a nostalgic tendency towards British isolationism. I'd like to credit them with understanding the difference between the glorious past and the realpolitik future. But I really don't see how I can, having spoken to many of them about the subject in detail.
>>78724488
>More than 2.5 million people have signed a petition
I'm going to need a citation that people have actually signed it.
I could make a script that randomly increases values of integers.
>>78730464
>For a continent which has a habit of going to war, principally peace.
Oh god not this again.
Do you really think the EU has the competence to stop a nation that really wants to go to war? They don't even lift a finger to keep their own citizens from getting taharrush gamea'd or bacha bazi'd.
And what, pray tell, can the EU do to prevent war that the threat of MAD, the cultural shifts of the past 80 years, or the higher economic utility of commerce don't do by default for every nation in the world?
>>78732160
Also NATO.
>>78732107
being an island having isolationism is good, you use your big watery borders to your advantage
>>78732160
"name":"United Kingdom","code":"GB","signature_count":2401768
>>78731464
I'm hoping this is bait. You genuinely sound like some butthurt 18 year old sixth former fresh out of /r/unitedkingdom. If that IS you, kill yourself tonight, emigrate, whatever. Get out of my country you entitled prick
>citation?
https://twitter.com/SkyData/status/746700869656256512
>Because this was a once in a generation chance to shape the future of Britain.
Yes it was. There is also only one generation old enough to remember a time before European governance existed, one generation that can appreciate the before and after and they overwhelmingly gave the middle finger to Europe.
>The majority of votes to leave were cast by people who won't be around to see or care how massively they've fucked this up.
Source?
>But anecdotally, based on the old cunts I've heard talking about the subject, no, I don't. Their reasons were principally:
1. Mass migration
2. Sovereignty
> The EU never ran the country.
Yes it does. The ECJ is the ultimate legal authority on all member states. We have no ability to control migration from Europe, or to conduct trade on our own terms with 60% of our export market. Up to half our laws are passed by Europe. The Commission is literally the most powerful executive in the world, and it is unelected.
Protips: Don't get your political fix from buzzfeed or your retarded labour voting friends on facebook. They are ill-formed, limp wristed retards with no knowledge of Europe's institutions.
I genuinely can't believe someone like you exists on /pol/
>>78731603
Yeah, no. That's Sky News exit polling for age. Without some serious numbers to back that up, it's as useless as a burger at a roundabout.
>>78724488
This is a referendum, not a neverendum. (c)
>>78726056
Agreed. I might have supported leave if we had a Labour government but now Cameron has gone we will get a rightist Brexit PM who will destroy the NHS and workers' rights.
Lefties, our mission is to support Corbyn against the Blair-ite traitors calling for his removal. Sign the petition:
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/a-vote-of-confidence-in-jeremy-corbyn-after-brexit
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36621777
Also a petition calling for the deselection of Blair-ite traitors like Hodge and Coffey:
https://www.change.org/p/labour-a-call-for-the-deselection-of-margaret-hodge-and-ann-coffey
>>78732082
Those traffickers in their leaky shithole boats can barely make across the glass pond of the Mediterranean without sinking. They're not going to the the Atlantic, go 10 times as far just to try and make it to Britain, not when Italy is right there. If anyone was going to try, they'd already be doing it. Which they don't.
>>78732414
>This
>>78732499
>who will destroy the NHS and workers' rights.
cringe
>>78724488
friendly reminder that karen will become german property if you somehow manage to fuck brexit up and end up remaining a member of the eu.
>>78732638
They come from France or whatever shit country is just across from England in Europe
when the refugees in England start getting E.U pass ports and freedom of movement
>>78732250
OK, fine. That's a non-sequitur, but I'll go into it since you pointed it out.
Simple math shows that someone is lying.
There's 2.6 million signatures total right now, of which 2.4 million are, according to that site, legit GB signers.
That means right now, there are 200k non-british signatures.
Look at the previous screencap. When there were 1.2 million, only 350k were British. Which means that, at that time, there were 850k non-british signers.
See where I'm going with this? There are 650k non-british signatures that have disappeared. What is the cause of this discrepancy?
>>78731762
How to make it plain for retards. Hmmm...
I know, think about it this way. If Johnny wants to make his own rules, that he himself abides by, he can do so. That's his sovereign right. However, Johnny sometimes gets lonely and wants to play with the other children. In order to join in their games, he has to abide by the rules they all agree on.
>all agree on
>all
>that includes Johnny
But Johnny didn't like anyone else making rules for him. So now, Johnny is free to go back to playing with himself alone. But at no point in this story was Johnny in a position where he couldn't make the rules, he just had to ensure that everyone was happy with them.
The end.
>>78732727
friendly reminder that you took over a million immigrants into your state last year
>>78732727
you your filthy mouth
>>78732499
>spent practically his entire political career as a eurosceptic and wanting to leave
>suddenly there's a referendum and he's voting in
>doesn't campaign or rally working class Labour supporters to vote remain
As a UKIP supporter I just want to give a big thanks to Mr Corbyn for the last few months. It's been fucking glorious
>>78725432
hahahahahaha
>>78731464
>why exactly do you think a young persons vote should hold more value then an older persons?
Because this was a once in a generation chance to shape the future of Britain. The majority of votes to leave were cast by people who won't be around to see or care how massively they've fucked this up.
Why should young people that are literally to stupid to vote decide when they are stupider than old people?https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/oct/28/johnezard.dumb
>>78732711
Temp workers will probably lose their sick pay and holiday pay, other than that I doubt much will change.
Then a shift in labour supply will likely nudge up salaries across the wage spectrum, with periodic increases in migration to ensure the labour market doesn't get too tight and start making British businesses uncompetitive.
This will directly benefit low skilled workers, which includes most of the young.
>>78731753
I think you need to have a grasp of your sanity first, before you claim a grasp on anything else you monkey.
>>78732880
shut up, shut up shut up.
>>78732884
das right. we monopolize all waifus.
>>78732711
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-nigel-farage-nhs-350-million-pounds-live-health-service-u-turn-a7102831.html
Hi Nigel you lying corporate cuck
>>78726139
>implying this is bad
He's taking a shit while responding to these delusional liberals.
>>78724488
I think if more than 66% of those who voted, vote for a 2nd referendum than they should have a second one.
which is 22,144,308
>>78732832
To be a refugee you have to be coming from a warzone. Those crossing out of Turkey from Greece are migrants, whether they're Syrian, Iraqi or wherever. It's not a licence to just under off wherever you like.
>>78724488
>still talking about this petition
Ye no, there are people using proxies and lefties giving their postcodes out so outsiders can vote with them
>>78732107
Is it not also possible that you are an indoctrinated tool who will continually vote against your own best interests until your lifeblood flows from a gash in your neck gifted to you by one of Muhammad's elect?
>>78733160
but non of those are wearing a hijab
>>78732152
Moron distribution is as expected, so it might be real.
>>78732874
Yes, very good this analogy. And as part of their little club the other children can come over to Johnny's house any time they want, without his permission and he can do fuck all about it. Then the other children can determine who from outside their little circle Johnny can play with and on what conditions. However, if Johnny DID want to leave, he wouldn't go back to playing alone, he'd simply spend at worst 90% of his time playing with the group and most likely 95% of his time playing with them, but now not been subject to their rules and regulations as to whoever else he wanted to play with
>>78733188
>muh backdoor privatization of le NHS le tories want to destroy our national institution
grow up you literal manchild
>Post status joking the petition
>Get this post from a young girl
>"sorry, im not going to sit here and not have my voice heard. i am young, i am the future and the future is fucking angry."
What would fucking rek her
>>78733540
Hans, just give up.
>>78725369
Doesn't matter
>>78733767
But it DOES matter because you have to be a UK Citizen.
>>78733754
Voter/Polling fraud. Absolutely disgusting.
>>78733540
It's not real, someone on /pol/ earlier posted a script they were using to vote from the Vatican.
>>78733001
Whisper it: I'm glad we're out too. The EU is an undemocratic, over-expensive bureaucratic corporate capitalist nightmare that is probably unreformable.
Corbyn agrees...
Now we need a democratic socialist Labour government with Corbyn as PM
SNAP ELECTION!
>>78733704
Try something like:
How fucking entitled and petulant can you get? Your voice was heard, princess. It's just that people who disagree with you get to have a voice too. It's called democracy.
>>78725432
you missed 2 more emails famalam
>>78732275
>citation
See: >>78732399
>There is also only one generation old enough to remember a time before European governance existed
And you genuinely believe they have no bias towards the former?
>>Majority of leave votes
>Source?
Literally any breakdown of the results by age-group. Pick one.
>1. Mass migration
That is a canard of the highest order. See pic related. The citation, in case you're interested is:
http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/sites/files/migobs/Migrants%20in%20the%20UK-Overview_0.pdf
>The ECJ is the ultimate legal authority on all member states
Well, yes. that's its job. It's not the ECHR, (to which we are still bound, btw). That's like an MP complaining because IPSA is the ultimate authority for whether or not they've fiddled their expenses.
>>78733704
Your not the future, because your a petulant child unable to handle a reality that isn't your safe space. The future will be built by rational, productive people. You will be the detritus left at the side of the road, a warning to future generations of the consequencess of unbridled narcissism.
>>78733540
>>78733754
Also
{"name":"Vanuatu","code":"VU","signature_count":27},{"name":"Vatican City","code":"VA","signature_count":9193},
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City
Population
• 2015 estimate 1,000[3] (236th)
So 8193 people came out of nowhere right.
>>78733986
No, there won't be an election. There is a mandate for a pro-Leave politician to lead the country over the next two years and ensure we get the best deal. Practically everyone outside of redditors and teenagers on facebook/twitter think Corbyn is a useless, unelectable far left retard stuck in the 70s.
>>78731464
>The majority of votes to leave were cast by people who won't be around to see or care how massively they've fucked this up.
This selfish attitude makes my blood boil. Is it not possible that these people have some stake in what happens to their country after they're gone?
>>78733494
Yes, that's also a possibility. On the whole, I think I find my argument more convincing than yours. But I certainly wouldn't want to exclude you, and all your specially educated friends, from participating.
Have a cookie.
>>78733471
you don't need to come from a warzone though, you need to be under prosecution in your own country under the threat or torture or whatever
>>78730464
>For our generation, principally freedom to live and work in any one of 27 countries.
Fucking lol. Only about 6 of those countries are worth going to. There's a reason British people are not leaving for Romania and Bulgaria by the millions.
>>78733592
>You are Toby Young and I claim my 5 glorious British Sovereigns.
Seriously, you need to take a look at the reality of the situation.
>>78732874
it's not rape if you tell them you'll kill them if they fight and they stop fighting because they agreed to your conditions :^)
>>78734088
Did anyone send him the picture with the fake polling from other countries?
>>78734094
>And you genuinely believe they have no bias towards the former?
Why do you believe it's muh nostalgia and not a genuine observation that pre-Europe arrangements were better?
>Literally any breakdown of the results by age-group. Pick one.
No. I want a source that most of leave's voters will be dead before they see any economic consequences of leaving.
>That is a canard of the highest order. See pic related. The citation, in case you're interested is:
Do you have anything more recent given the government's crackdown on non-EU migration, specifically around family visas and now a requirement for earnings to be £36,000?
I cba to read the link, but how many of these will be students? If that's the case what is the net migration figure for pakis and indians given most of them should be going home in 3-4 years?
>>78727511
Well it went from only being 300,000 UK votes at 1.2 million to being 2.4 million UK votes at 2.6 million. Bit dodgy.
>Registration
>Ask for name, email, and postal code.
>That's fucking it.
>Doesn't check for National Insurance number for identification and verification purposes
Fake salty voters.
>>78734360
Well, yes. It's possible. But if you talk to them, you find that their reasons can broadly be broken down to the two categories I described in the post to which you replied. I think you failed to follow my former argument.
>>78724488
Shame it's fake as fuck tho senpai
https://np.reddit.com/r/The_Farage/comments/4puiok/via_the_donald_eu_petition_proven_to_be_fake/
>>78724488
>More than 2.5 million people have signed a petition calling for a second EU referendum, after the vote to leave.
more than 17.4 million signed one calling for the UK to leave the EU.
tough shit, bitch. enjoy your freedom.
>>78734401
You may never have to experience first-hand how wrong you are. You get to just keep ignoring the reports from the rest of the EU about what unlimited immigration is doing to them.
It's like Yuri Bezmenov said... Once you are completely demoralized, you not only lose your sense of right and wrong, but of true and false as well.
It's been enlightening, friendo.
>>78734533
Well, OK. Assuming I agree with you, that's 6 countries more than the present situation allows.
>protip: I don't actually agree with you
>>78732844
The goyim know. Shut it down.
Never, democracy has spoken, true direct democracy like the eternal anglo wanted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKOM2ywB7nQ
>>78730266
>literally a camgirl
of fucking course
>>78731471
the fact that even one of those are from outside the UK is enough to discount the entire thing
>>78733703
>>78734286
>y,y..you redditors...MANCHILD!
Try harder with the old ad homs, kiddies. Some of us are debating like adults.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/4puz35/the_media_creating_an_impression_of_leave_voters/
Everyone needs to read this. The BBC are now part of a left wing conspiracy to delegitimize the referendum and force another one.
>>78734025
>>78734174
She replied
>"the campaign was built on fucking lies and all of you are feeding into this bullshit, fuck all you ukip sympathisers"
>>78735111
You do realize that direct democracy is the worst kind of dictatorship?
>>78735036
Nah turns out it was just a weird counting methodology. There's a lot of other regions that, even though they're in the UK proper, are categorized as something else. Still kind of weird how the numbers changed on their own, but there's at least some scrap of logic there.
>>78734760
>Why do you believe it's muh nostalgia and not a genuine observation that pre-Europe arrangements were better?
Principally because they were pre-EU arrangements. The world today is not the world as it was when Clem Atlee won his landslide. Voting to leave the EU can't turn the clock back to the days when you could leave your front door unlocked and the local bobby would give ragamuffins a clip round the earole. I don't see what part of this you're failing to get.
>No. I want a source that most of leave's voters will be dead before they see any economic consequences of leaving
>I cba to read the link
Yeah, I think we're done here. Enjoy your recession. You deserve it.
>>78724488
It won't even be considered a possibility until 17,410,743 sign this petition.
>>78727427
>Democracy is why the West is getting weaker..
You moron. Democracy was why it got to the levels it obtained.
>>78726125
>see? there are ONLY 14 weeaboo boards! that´s only around 1/3 of the website! totally not related to anime guys!
really makes you think
>>78735322
corbyn wont lead shit because the labour party is not behind him. Labour stands for sucking up to global elites, not the working class (or else labour would be behind vote leave) If Corbyn really is a more traditional left wing person then that is laudible but labour is the wrong party for him.
>>78725432
Is that real?
>>78735012
I'm a Brit in the USA. I got here by having the skills they need and applying for a work visa.
Please tell me why you can't just do that.
Also 6 might be a generous number.
>>78724488
Ummm yeah, the same millions who voted stay. Dude, u lost, thats it. There is no 'vote until i get my desired position'.
>>78731985
>Where's this boat coming from, France? They can fuck off if they think they're claiming asylum from France
You underestimate this ponzi scheme.
We have work to do lads.
>>78728335
Perfect
We had to put up with this shit for months and now we pulled it off, we're the first country on here to put a score on the door, amazing
>>78735581
I think you mean 'our' recession, goy :^)
voting bot: http://pastebin.com/rgiiPbww
>>78735670
Democracy went to shit once they gave everyone right to vote
>>78732844
Exactly.
Everything is fucking rigged.
It's ridiculous.
Learn to program son.
Then make a cpu that's non (((audited)))
>>78735581
>can't provide a source for either of his claims in this post
>gives up
Even as a Leave voter myself I can admit that a lot of people voted Leave in order to reduce immigration into the UK. Being honest, a lot of people who voted Leave believed that there were too many Asians (Muslims in particular) in the country and believed that voting to leave the EU would reduce the number of Brown people here. But how could it? 10% of Britain's population is made up of Blacks and Asians, the vast majority of whom will be British citizens and therefore will be unaffected by tougher immigration laws. Surely, to someone who is voting Leave mainly to reduce what they see as a Muslim takeover, voting to Leave a European Union which advocates the free movement of mainly White Christians is very counterproductive?
>>78733488
>reveals her postcode
Why are cucks so stupid.
>>78724488
>Brexit revote when?
Maybe when the pendulum swings back the other way. 40 years or so?
>>78735901
You're quite correct. I can, if I so choose, jump through all of the hoops necessary to live and work in any foreign country I choose. As of Wednesday, there were 27 countries where there were no hoops and no jumping. How am I better off today than I was then?
>>78727882
Who the fuck are those 223 niggers who voted from India?
>More than 2.5 million British citizens are potential political subversives who hate democracy.
Fixed that for you, OP.
>>78736160
>Christians
>EU
Hue. Just give Germany a few more years and you'll see those voters were right.
>>78733754
>we're desperate
delicious.
>>78735977
No, I have to live with it, but it's not my recession.
>>78736068
>Democracy went to shit once they gave everyone right to vote
I agree.
Women and foreigners should not be allowed to vote.
>>78736285
>mfw this petition potentially spotlights treasonous traitors.
>>78736236
Because it's a one way street. You're not going to those poor countries to work because the wages are so low.
Britain should have the same system as the USA: work visa limited in number and only after no American/Brit can be found for the position.
It works fine over here.
>>78736137
I think you need subtitles for the hard of thinking. What actually happened was I provided a source for claim A. You said you couldn't be arsed to read the source, while at the same time demanding a source for claim B.
And yes, this is positively the last time I'll bother replying to you.
>>78735849
*corbyn wont lead shit because the labour party is not behind him
Please research more. The elitist MPs aren't behind him because they want their titles and corporate honorary directorships. But the rank and file Labour members elected him by a landslide and will support him again as will the unions.
The MPs are unrepresentative and should be deselected. See the petitions:
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/a-vote-of-confidence-in-jeremy-corbyn-after-brexit
https://www.change.org/p/labour-a-call-for-the-deselection-of-margaret-hodge-and-ann-coffey
>>78736348
Personally I believe that there should be a test to obtain a "license" to vote. Or alternatively only allow university-educated people to vote
>>78736289
But 95% of the EU's population is either Atheist or Christian. To suggest that more refugees coming to Germany (which has a Muslim population of 5%) is going to in any way affect the fact that the vast majority of immigrants to the UK are White Christian or Atheist is silly.
>>78724488
the butthurt was worth it alone, let the tears flow
>>78736068
No. Nearly any governing system can work equitably and efficiently when you have a high-quality population and a leading party that isn't that much different from the average person.
Where you run into problems is when the leaders are members of a special political caste with no ties to their culture or nationality. What's a fisherman to you when you're friends with hollywood celebrities, saudi royalty, and swiss bankers? When nobody you know has ever been poor?
I don't know if there's a way fix this particular problem DESU. But a nation can weather any hardship, and reemerge in better days if it keeps its culture intact.
That's what Brexit is to me.
>>78736333
you could always go and live in the EU, you voted to stay in it so put your money where you mouth is before it turns into toilet paper and we're stuck with you
I would literally rather england turned into poland than spend another decade trapped here with lefties and foreigners who hate us, our way of life and our land
>>78736347
>they've literally falsified the petition
These people are PURE EVIL.
>>78736605
>Or alternatively only allow university-educated people to vote
Marxist-educated people are the worst cancer of all, what the fuck are you on about?
When you destroy a liberal and they block you.
Ayyy
>Muh Safe Space
>>78736289
Most immigrants are from Poland and poles are very christian
>>78736605
>Or alternatively only allow university-educated people to vote
Nope.
Too many cucks then.
Need the working man otherwise the smaller microcosmic issues are not fixed, those issues that affect the everyday man.
Getting rid of that is letting the elite exploit you.
>>78736605
>Or alternatively only allow university-educated people to vote
Are you fucking joking?
Do you think letting those Marxist batty boys deciding everything for us is a good idea? We'd have no country and we'd all be proles in gulags within the week's end -- if not sooner!
>>78736701
But the vast majority of non-Ethnic Brits in the UK are already British citizens. Voting Leave will in no way affect their status. If anything, we have left a Union where the vast majority of immigrants are White Christians or Atheists.
>>78736779
>campaign built on fucking lie
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THE FUCKING IRONY
>>78736779
Nice language, mate.
>>78736451
>Because it's a one way street
Any arrangement between 27 countries can hardly be described as a one way anything. Clearly I don't want to live and work in all of the countries at the same time. However, I did like the (too brief) time I spent in Paris. It would be nice to have that opportunity again. My friend Jack, on the other hand, who met a really nice Polish girl, would be pretty happy if they had a choice about where they live, without having to get married first.
It's a roundabout, not a street. Previously everyone could choose their exit. Now we have our own sovereign cul-de-sac. Good for us.
>>78736693
>high-quality population and a leading party that isn't that much different from the average person.
That situation belongs to the realm of fantasy. Once you rule a country, you are not even close to an average person
>>78736753
If your universities are marxist cesspits, then thats your problem.
>>78736882
Yes, but you have control over immigration now. So the UK government will decide the number and where the immigrants will come from. This way you could choose people from a compatible culture, say skilled Canadians, Australians, or Americans instead of mud people.
If you guys get a right wing government you could possibly get a moratorium as well, so keep that in mind.
>>78731464
So the older people that voted intentionally voted to have their time alive be shitty for literally no reason?
Of course not you fucking idiot, they voted so that their children and their children's children could live in a country worth living in, where their decisions matter where if for whatever reason they could vote themselves to join a union rather than live in a dictatorship by proxy where their opinions count for nothing.
>>78736882
I'm not saying they should be forced to leave, but its pretty hypocritical to cry about us leaving the EU when you can go to the EU at any point and become an EU citizen. We hanvn't even invoked article 50 yet, you have 2 years and then some to pack your bags and fly away to the free movement utopia across the channel
>>78734088
Based mp
>>78737040
>If your universities are marxist cesspits, then thats your problem.
That's pretty much all the universities in the western world. Slav mileage might vary
>>78731880
It's capitalized on my iPad
>>78724488
post yfw revote happens and -still- fails
>>78737035
If you think Britons will not be able to live, work and love in other countries any more, you're either misinformed or being purposefully hyperbolic.
>>78730680
Any country that trades with the EU has to follow EU regulations.
But the EU isn't the entire world. There are more countries outside of the EU than inside of it, and if you were unaware, the UK trades more outside of the EU than inside of it.
We have the freedom to make deals favourable to the UK now and not to the EU. And once we do this, we'll probably trade even more with these countries.
Pull your head out of your arse already.
>>78725432
The salt is tasty
>>78724488
>implying all those votes are British and not made by kikes with proxies
>>78737202
If you are ruled by commies for 40 years you develop an aversion for marxism.
>>78734815
confirmed, was just under 400k when it was 1.5
>>78736779
you're on the spectrum aren't you?
>>78725432
Toldlikeabitch
>>78724488
Over 30 million already voted on the real referndum. 1/15 whom the majority are not even from the UK should not have a say in redoing it
We have a good relationship with most if not all of the Commonwealth; we can trade with them no doubt
53 countries
Not to mention our good relations with the rest of the world
We are entering (or re-entering) a bright chapter for the UK -- going international once again
>>78726480
>Boris only did this to make a play for the leadership
>So he'll alienate his entire voter base by not following through with it.
Really mah nigga?
>>78737438
The what?
>>78737124
>groundhog day the post
I've answered this several times ITT. Initially in the post to which you replied.
I don't believe that, had the referendum question been:
>would you like to fuck over your children and their children?
that any of them would have voted Yes.
I just believe that, in answering the question that was actually posed, they inadvertently answered Yes to my hypothetical question, by answering No to the referendum question.
>>78736347
Needs to go in the next OP with the plebbit links for the normies.
>>78737106
I think you're missing my point. We have control of immigration, with the interest of taking in people from more compatible (White Christian) cultures. But the vast majority of people coming into the UK as a result of the freedom of movement offered by the EU WERE from compatible cultures. They were mainly White Christians. The 10% of Asian or Black people in the UK are, by and large, British citizens already- therefore it is simply wrong to say, as many have, that leaving the EU will solve the problems caused by immigration.
They want a 75% voter turnout and 60% has to vote leave for it to pass?
That means that none of them have to ever show up to vote, and they automatically win, because the voter turnout would never be that high.
>>78737666
>He thinks voting leave was the decision to fuck up our children's futures
Ahh now I know you're being purposefully hyperbolic
You're either a woman or a nu male IMO
>>78737290
If you think answering one post from a conversation, without having the courtesy to read the whole thing, makes you anything other than a cunt, then you're misinformed. (No hyperbole was harmed in the making of this comment.)
>>78737350
This. Western world is insane, you wanna see how effective it is, come to Eastern Europe faggots.
>>78737502
Of course, once we're out of the EU, we can trade with any country we want under our own terms. Ones that are favourable to us and not to the EU.
It's like people from the EU don't realize there is an entire world outside of the EU.
any one been keeping a eye on the .json data
UK VOTE HAS JUMPED BUT I CANT SAY WHEN I WAS WATCHING BOXING
{"name":"United Kingdom","code":"GB","signature_count":2401768}
>>78725369
It's a global society anon. We are all citizens of the world.
>>78725432
>>78734088
Based
>>78724488
No takesies-backsies
>>78737202 >>78737350
>Slav mileage may vary
kek
Seriously though as an American w/ Slav roots I can confirm. I was brought up hating Communism with a fucking passion from the time I was born. Helps give you a healthy skepticism of it that keeps you from being one of those che & trotsky obsessed asshats.
>>78737961
But they're not citizens of the UK, so why should they be allowed to vote on issues inside of the UK?
I sure as shit cannot go and vote for the next US president, or the leader of any country apart from the UK.
>>78737666
>Everyone older than me is retarded
Even disregarding the fact that older people tend to vote for more conservative options (like remaining in the EU because it's easier in the short term despite the fact that it is evidently an absolutely fucking terrible long term decision for example, that kind of conservative) that you could honestly believe that just because you yourself are so horrendously selfish as to not care about the wellbeing of your country or your people if it inconveniences you is fucking pathetic.
Freedom no matter what difficulties it may present is always worth you bootlicking fuck.
>>78724488
literally any faggot can sign a petition. The UK voted. It's done.
>>78724488
It won't happen.
Most of them are probably Scottish.
I fucking HATE Scotland. Bunch of liberal twats. I want Scotland to get the fuck out of the Union.
Utter cunts. They have no place in the Union. Bunch of cunts.
Wales - total bros. Top lads.
England - same.
Northern Ireland - good lads, buts slightly cucked
Scotland GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE UNION YOU FAGGOTS
>>78729910
>Brexit is mostly an economical decision.
which dictate identity and self determination
REVOTE CONFIRMED!!!!! WE DID IT REDDIT
