Hillary may have cheated to win the nomination, but we still got our $15 an hour! How do you like that, poltards?
>>78722171
Great... now your mom is gonna want 15 bux for a beej.
>>78722171
Really makes me think, honestly.
>no citation
Why does occupy democrats exist?
>>78722439
Just let that sink in, anon
>>78722513
Because you fall for their bait.
>>78722171
>country has problems because immigrants come in and work low wages
>raise the minimum wage
>>78722567
I saged so idk about you
>>78722171
/pol/ jacks off to anime
>>78722171
I make 65,000 salary....$15 hr, pshhhhh
You do know that some companies are not able to pay that much to their workers? And you are aware that some people prefer working for 10$/h than not working at all, because of not being well educated or suited for the job? And you do realise that they WILL KEEP WORKING for less than 15$ anyway so the legislation will just make life harder for them? Kys.
The small company that I work at would not be able to afford this. Full stop. I'm not completely privy to their finances, but I know we basically scape even with enough left over to invest in our infrastructure. All of our clients are contractual and we set the rate for the duration of the contract when it's signed, so there would be no way to readjust our pricing. On top of that, we would probably lose a bunch of clients that also tanked due to increased labor costs.
God, this shit pisses me off so much. I would probably lose a job I love over this shit.
>>78722342
>>78722171
without reading a single other post i know exactly what is to be most often found here:
"but unreasonable raises are NEVER not ok, when the wealthy give it to themselves*"
(*always taken from the non wealthy)
psychopaths.
>>78722342
>Implying you last an hour
>>78722171
You should go whole hog and make the 15 dollar an hour apply to Illegal Aliens too.
For that to work, you will have to make mass immigration and amnesty a part of your platform too.
No being subtle with it either.
Come out swinging and tell all those white males where they can shove their complaints.
>>78722171
Why do people think that $15/hour is unaffordable?
Just make bigger companies pay their fair share of taxes, then the burden won't be on small businesses.
If we can redistribute wealth so that it isn't concentrated in the hands of so few, $15 will be easy.
You shouldn't be able to pay someone less than it costs to live to do a job. If you can't afford to pay a worker, you shouldn't be hiring them.
>>78723228
Small businesses will be fucking DEAD.
Big businesses will have to resort to massive automation and tons of people will lose their job, a la McD's.
>>78722600
As do I.
Doesn't stop people from seeing the replies and then joining the thread, posting without saging.
>>78723228
>If we can redistribute wealth so that it isn't concentrated in the hands of so few, $15 will be easy.
This isn't even a fucking argument.
"You make and have more money than I do. That's not fair, give me some."
What is their "fair share?" What arbitrary number is supposed to be the magic one?
>You shouldn't be able to pay someone less than it costs to live to do a job. If you can't afford to pay a worker, you shouldn't be hiring them.
And what about workers that choose to piss their money away? Pay them more?
Fuck you, you know jack shit. Table scrap pilfering fucking nigger..
I think that just fucked me. I already make $15 an hour, and I can bet you my wage isn't going to be adjusted so now I'm back to just making minimum wage again
>>78724742
Holy shit, you actually get it. When people get paid more, prices go up.
These dumb fucks that don't understand economy have never had to work a job.
If the cost of living going up with pay raises was a myth, then we'd all be making minimum wages of today and buying things at 1940's prices.
Hurr durr... I made this much money last year and the cost of living was this much. Minimum wage goes up and the price of food and gas goes up as well.
>>78723228
>make businesses pay more in taxes
>somehow this makes it more affordable to pay employees higher wages
que?
>>78722171
Good.
>>78723228
>If you can't afford to pay a worker, you shouldn't be hiring them.
This is precisely what will happen if the minimum wage is rapidly raised by large amounts. I guess you really hate uneducated minorities and want even more of them to become unemployed and have zero opportunities.
>>78725384
I think the problem is places like walmart are essentially getting subsidized by the govt, because they know all their employees are on welfare. So basically our tax dollars are going to big multinational corps who just hide it offshore anyways. I'd be interested in setting minimum wage divided by urban and rural and with ways for small companies (under 1 million in revenue) to get tax benefits or a way around it.
>>78722171
That's it I am now a #GurneyForBernie
>>78725751
ya, i think the Left hates the poor more than most of the right
>>78722171
>have a skill
>make $16 an hour
>have been doing ok finally
>minimum wage st to $15
>back to struggling at the bottom
>>78722171
Thanks, ya just lost the election.
>>78722171
>All that work and donated money
>Only thing to show for it is another campaign promise
BERNYFAGS LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
>>78723228
The Burdon will be on anyone who employs someone
Ftfy
>>78728216
iktf
>Hillary: can we raise the minimum wage to 15$/h?
>Congress: no
>Hillary: lel okay back to bombing Syria
Only multinational corporations will be able to afford this. Sucks to be a small business owner, entrepreneur, or franchise because the startup floor just got higher.
They are basically encouraging a corporate state
>Work hard to get to 14/hr
>Everyone will get 15/hr
>We won't see a raise in at least 5-8 years
>Cost of living will go up even more
Thanks HILLARY
>>78728304
>People get more money
>Losing the election
Only dumbass whites will think this is a good reason to not vote for her. Almost everyone else will act in personal interest to get more money for the same amount of work
>>78722171
This guy really has no idea about what the fuck he is actually asking for, does he? First he wanted to raise taxes on everyone including the poor, then he wanted to DOUBLE the nationwide minimum wage which would cause much less poor people to be hired.
Does he actually HATE the poor people? What a fucking jew.
>>78731137
The Democratic party plan for decades has been basically that:
1) Create government programs to help poor people
2) Create conditions that make sure poor people stay poor
#1 makes sure poor people vote Democrat and #2 makes sure there are enough poor people to keep Democrats in power.
Some have woke up to this. Not many.
>>78731137
I'm astounded you know how to see the future! Can you tell me when Yellowstone erupts?
Also, how does raising minimum wage affect how many poor people are hired? If anything, it would affect how many people in general are hired.
>>78724742
We always have the train.
>>78722171
I look forward to all fast food restaurants being automated.
The amount is irrelevant.
Politicians don't care about your well-being.
If your job is the kind that pays per hour,
expect a machine to take your place within ten years at the latest .
Literally buying votes at this point
>>78722171
Is he the nominee?
>no
Will anything ever get done under Clinton that would benefit Berniefags?
>no
>>78722171
i already make 15/hr so now my job that requires skill will make the same as the local down syndrome kid that stocks walmart overnight.
The minimal wage should be banned. It's a racist terminology.
>>78722171
As someone who worked hard for the past 8 years to get up to $20 an hour... The last thing I fucking want is a 15 dollar minimum wage.
What kind of fucking meth are liberals smoking
>>78732971
That person doesn't get hired lol you must have not been to a Walmart recently. Although I understand the confusion since most Walmart employees are stoned out of their mind at work
>>78722799
Yuo do realize that its a matter of competition? If all companies MUST by law pay 15 dollars an hour its a none issue.
If you are a company that decided to pay its workers more than the competition you are gonna have a harder time but if you all have to raise the salary of workers by a similar amount you do not suffer.
Sure the products will get a bit more expensive but its nothing compared to the huge benefits.
>>78722825
You do realize its gonna take a while until its implemented to allow buisness to adjust? Use your brain son.
Enjoy your lower working conditions, peasant.
>>78731926
There are two possible answers from businesses for a rise like that in minimum wage:
1. Increase the price of products, which implies less consumption from the people so less profit => less money to pay more minimum wage jobs
2. Fire people right away to have enough profit to pay the double minimum wage jobs. This means that, as long as people aren't overworked, there will be less productivity due to less workers.
Of course, I am just talking about minimum wage jobs, which I related directly with poor people. So maybe my argument fails there.
>>78723830
So why is the limit at 15?
Why is 10$ ok but not 15$? why not 5$?
why not lower the minimum wage to 2$? According to your reductionist analysis there should be no minimum wage..
>mfw your employer has to pay you $15 an hour and then decides to just fire you instead.
>>78733656
>less consumption from the people
most of the businesses that are doing well in the current environment don't actually sell anything to the public.
>>78722577
Immigrants makes less than minimum wage anyway. They literally just gave businesses more incentive to higher illegals because they doubled legal minimum wage.
Can anyone convince me sanders isn't a complete retard?
>price control works
k
>>78722171
how is this supposed to foster competition and help small business?
>>78733745
There really shouldn't be.
If you don't like what the job offers, don't do it.
>>78723228
>muh fair share argument
In relation to minimum wage? Do you think that people's wages come out of a communal cookie jar?
Idiot;
I'll make this simple.
What you and your idiot pals have done is precipitate the death of small and mid sized businesses.
Only the mega Corp sized business will be able to absorb a near doubling of their labor overhead costs.
That means, dummy, that you and your pals have done more to assist the super wealthy corporatists than any other group in recent history.
Walmart will now be the only fucking store.
Good work economic retards.
>>78733870
>Immigrants makes less than minimum wage anyway.
flawed premise.
they generally make more than similarly educated americans per hour. they often work in trades that pay significantly more than min wage.
>>78733855
Even worse, that just means that the bigger spending power that minimum wage workers have wouldn't affect those businesses. And they would still have to increase their profit in order to handle a ridiculous increase in wage like that. That would translate in a sacrifice, one way or another.
Of course, this is assuming that those businesses that you are talking about pay minimum wage to their workers.
>>78733656
It fails because you you can think of a raising of the minimum wage as a sort of tax, in very broad terms. the question is, who is paying how many taxes?
Meaning that if the rich dont pay taxes at all you will be taking from the middle class.
What matters is not just raising the minimum wage but making sure the rich pay their share of the taxes. This of course ties to international competition since your home companies need to compete with other comapnies from other countries over the same markets.
Economy of a whole country is not easy.
But a minimum wage is a wage you need to lead an ok job and efford the basics.
some products will surely rise in cost but that doent matter cause you pay the lower workers more. Like i said it can be viewed as a sort of tax and the question remains who in your countiry is unfairly burdened by taxes, the middle class or the upper class?
I would say in america its probably the middle class cause the rich dont pay shit so its eroding the middle class buying abilities but its not the fault of the lower class, its the fault of the rich evading taxation and to some extent global economy that ATM favors the rich.
>>78734126
>he thinks businesses won't raise their prices to survive.
kek
>>78722171
why not $20?
>>78734105
>im dumb
I figured that out myself.
>work hard to get a job that pays $17/hr
>minimum raise increases
>cost of living goes up
>now I am basically getting paid $2 above min wage and am basically poor af.
>>78725751
The future will have robots and computers doing 80% of the cheap labor jobs out there, your pic will be corporate americas answer to the wage increases.
>>78733745
>hey let me give you this actually reasonable position that I know you could not possibly hold because it seems so reasonable to me
do you even know who you're arguing with family?
>>78734366
this
it's really just a pay cut for everyone in the middle.
>>78733898
none of that matters when
>muh living wage
>>78722171
THANKS FOR FUCKING OUR ECONOMY DICK FACE
Say hello to more big businesses you tards.
Not saying that big business is bad, it's just that loads of Sanders supporters hate it.
>>78734631
>Not saying that big business is bad
but it is
>>78734250
>its a sort of tax
Aren't you just talking about public service jobs? The ones paid by the government.
I mean, I still don't know how some McDonald's stores, many of which who hire less educated minimum wage workers would get the money to compensate for such an increase without in the end firing more of those workers. Maybe McDonald's business as a whole would probably not be very affected, but the fact is that employment by such a company would decrease.
>>78722171
>we could take steady and calculated measures to reduce inflation and make money worth more
>nah let's just make money more worthless
>>78733870
>he's still running.
>he's going to the convention.
>he's still taking donations.
>he still has secret service at a cost of about 38k a day.
>he already said he's gonna vote for clinton.
>>78722171
Can't wait for an anti-TPP text added to the platform and all of /pol/ is BTFO
>minimum wage rises to $15
>1 gallon of gas now costs $60
>a new toyota camry now costs $270,000
>a carton of eggs is now $32
>rent in california rises from $4000 a month for 1 bedroom to $37,000 a month
>a bottle of water is now $6, $40 in airports
>>78734366
this! so fucking hard...
>>78722577
>country has problems because immigrants come in and work low wages
The problem is we have big conservative corporations exploiting labor on the black market. They don't pay them a living wage because they can exploit them. If you give people amnesty and allow them to unionize, the wages GO UP
>>78722171
YEAH!
He convinced the party to pay a tiny amount of lip service to his supporters and include something they're NEVER going to actually do into their platform! VICTORY! All that money and effort was well spent because now all of that hard work has been converted into a single line on a text document somewhere!
WOOHOO! VICTORY HAS NEVER TASTED SO SWEET!
Why only 15$ we could've had 20$ an hour! Or even $30/hr
It's all part of their bigger plan to create more government dependence. A higher minimum wage means fewer full time employees and fewer job positions. That means even more people will qualify for welfare assistance programs. And for most people, once they get on the free money train, they don't get back off. So these new dependents and their friends/family will vote democrat to keep their benefits. And each vote will cost just a bit more freedom than the last, but few will notice until it's too late.
>>78734259
I don't think that. They will try. But how did the mega-stores take over in the first place? They moved in sold at lower prices(often at a net loss) until small business died. Then raise prices when competition was gone.
This just gives them a second wave to do the same.
Have fun getting replaced by robots and having shit cost more because your dumbass got a degree in dance therapy.
>>78722171
So every company is going to raise its prices, and the wage increase won't matter.
Thanks for nothing? Without a limit on corporate profits, there's really nothing to gain from raising the minimum wage.
>>78735121
>Have fun getting replaced by robots and having shit cost more because your dumbass got a degree in dance therapy.
Australia has a 15 dollar minumum wage. Has it collapsed as your reich wingers claim it has?
>>78735205
>Without a limit on corporate profits,
Which sanders has also advocated for faglord.
>>78722171
>Hey guys lets raise the minimum wadge to make doing business in America even fucking harder
>And lets stop deporting illigals who are willing to work below minimum wadge
>THIS WILL END WELL I ASSURE YOU
One great thing about Bernie is that he pushed Hillery further and further left, so now she is almost full blown socialist. Pretty much everyone who doesn't want our economy to crash is going to vote against her.
>>78722171
Why not $25?
>>78735314
What does that matter now?
>>78735260
15 australian dollars is $11.21.
I make $11.96 pulling freight at fucking lowes. A warehouse worker shouldn't be better at math than you.
>>78722171
15$ an hour is still nothing
I make 25$ an hour 38$ when you count whats not on my check and its still not enough to do anything with
>>78735260
>Australia
>society collapsed
Choose both.
>>78735260
15AUS = 3.41USD
>>78730811
>People get more money
>Implying that it won't just destroy jobs that are worth less than 15$ an hour
Why the fuck would you hire more employees when the cost of some unskilled unexperienced worker just fucking doubled.
Pretty much everyone is going to get laid off and go on welfare.
Pretty fucking smart of the dems, now there will be an even bigger voting base for them because more people will need the benefits they hand out.
>>78722171
What a retard
Can't wait for big business to set up off shore to avoid this shit
>>78735777
AW SHIT LUCKY FUCKING TRIPS.
>raise the minimum wage two fold
>inflation fucks over the people making twice minimum wage before the increase
>inflation fucks over people making minimum wage again
>now there are more people poor than before
>mfw
WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA?????
>>78735260
>Australia has
Do you have some kind of mental retardation to compare any other economy to the US?
>>78735777
>Pretty much everyone is going to get laid off and go on welfare.
You can only collect food stamps for three months out of every 36 months if you work 20 or more hours and make minimum wage.
Otherwise, you starve.
>>78735852
The people who voted for it, People only vote for their own shortsighted goals.
>>78735931
>Do you have some kind of mental retardation to compare any other economy to the US?
>America is a special snow flake
You have to go back.
>>78736031
>People only vote for their own shortsighted goals.
Welcome to human history faggot.
>>78722171
we should raise the minimum wage to a $250,000 salary so everyone has to pay +40% in tax
>>78735703
you are really bad with your money. Canadian minimum is 10-12 bucks depending on province, and people here manage despite everything costing like 1.5x as much as in the US.
>>78722171
Is this for government employment or does this apply to private businesses as well? Small private businesses aside, wouldn't this just lead to larger companies monopolizing on services?
>>78736031
a.k.a. fucking retards a.k.a. berniecucks
>>78722171
> a business's biggest expense is payroll
>minimum wage is doubled
>business fires half of its workers to remain competitive to larger corporations who can absorb the doubled payroll expense without raising their prices
>more people without jobs
>more people on welfare
>more people reliant on the government
>this is what the socialists want
>>78736282
>more people reliant on the government
What's wrong with that? Government is we the people.
Do any of you ignorant faggots even work?
this is triggering me seriously, okay so what's going to happen in half the staff of each minimum wage establishment is going to be laid off and replaced with machines until eventually all minimum wage idiots are going to be laid off and replaced with machines
>mfw this will kick off the dissolve the work force from the bottom up
>mfw bernie is responsible
>>78736170
I wasn't being facetious or judgemental. I was stating it as a fact.
The world is exactly as humanity wants it to be.
>>78722171
We did it guys! We 're gonna tank the economy and increase unemployment! Yayyyy
Actually it will never happen lol Hillary is bought and paid by corporations
>>78734967
>big conservative corporations exploiting labor on the black market
>conservative
>[citation needed.]
>If you give people amnesty and allow them to unionize, the wages GO UP
>implying giving these illegals a free to go pass won't result in new illegals crossing over to either get that free to go pass aswell or crossing over to work for that lower wage since all the now legal illegals are asking for a higher wage
in any case, the average american loses
>>78735260
Austrailia is white and bordered by oceans. They're not operating in the same practical universe we are. Also their dollar is worth less.
>>78736501
Yes. Tell me how higher wages will matter when everyone is forced to raise prices and cut staff to stay in business?
>>78736590
A corporation is by definition conservative. Corporations can't be "left" wing.
>>78736282
>> a business's biggest expense is payroll
no
its usually logistics administration or energy.
>>78736610
>Austrailia is white and bordered by oceans.
That's not an argument faggot.
>>78722171
And you have just alienated every middle class white male
Trump 2016 confirmed
>>78737006
>middle class white male
Middle class doesn't exist anymore. You faggot Republicans shipped our jobs overseas due to your free market bullshit.
>>78736668
the lowest classes will be able tpto eat everyday and afford incidentals and transit. prices won't go up because the shoppers who can actually afford a $6 latte won't stand for it, and basic necessities are produced on such a scale and with such automation that a pay raise will be drops in buckets (not to mention that manufacturing jobs are typically better paying than minimum.)
>>78736776
>believing in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society : relating to or supporting political conservatism
Proof it. That corporations must be conservative by the actual definition of conservatism, not some rainbow-random definition which tries its best to equate conservatism with 'right wing politics'.
>>78736776
>A corporation is by definition conservative. Corporations can't be "left" wing.
what are nonprofits and co-ops
WE SHOULD ABOLISH ALL WAGE AND GO BACK TO FEUDALISM
HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>78722642
And?
>>78722171
>Bernie's the reason why fast food kiosks are cheaper and more efficient than greedy compton niggers, and now he's responsible for making California even MORE fucking expensive to live in.
W, RMYT.
>>78736395
So the people, who're now jobless, should provide for the people because they're jobless?
>>78736787
I'm taking about the average small business like a franchised 7-11 or something
>>78737093
>prices won't go up because the shoppers who can actually afford a $6 latte won't stand for it
Then they'll cut staff.
Look, do you not realize that in america it is illegal for companies to not maximize profits for their shareholders? They must cut costs somewhere if they suddenly have to put a shitload more into payroll.
>>78736668
It won't. Every naturalized citizen should get a fund quarterly to invest, produce and boost the gdp. The best this will do is give current min workers upward mobility so every burger joint can hire a new crew of workers and cut their hours in half.
what America needs is better savings plans and personal finance education. from what I've seen, Americans are just shit at managing their wallets.
>>78737093
>prices won't go up because the shoppers who can actually afford a $6 latte won't stand for it, and basic necessities are produced on such a scale and with such automation that a pay raise will be drops in buckets
LOL
You don't know that corporations will try to maximize profits you dumb shit?
>>78736395
Where does the government get its money to support these people?
Unless you are a NEET you lose
>>78737314
>should provide for the people because they're jobless?
Create government jobs. Start a jobs program, one that targets people in the age group of 16-34. And don't tell me government can't. Congress is literally a "government job."
>>78722171
Cant wait to pay $5 for a fucking chocolate bar
>>78737427
>Where does the government get its money to support these people?
Most of the time the middle and lower class. Rich don't pay shit because they are above the law.
That's why there are things like fines the police use all the time. They use it to pay for stuff in the city because the city's reduced their taxes so low they literally can't pay for anything anymore. That's what happens when you "lower" taxes. The poor get fucked.
>>78737547
/pol/ supports Hillary Clinton
Is this real life?
>>78722171
>occupy democrats
Reminder to sage shill threads.
>>78737078
Actually Nafta was signed by a democrat.
>>78737713
/pol/ is getting democucked ever since brexit
>>78737806
>Actually Nafta was signed by a democrat.
And who voted for it in Congress. I'm waiting.....
>>78737344
>Then they'll cut staff.
nope
have you ever worked a job, boyo? min wake jobs are almost always at minimum staffing possible as it is. cry all you want, but there just have to be two baristas for the lunch rush, at least one clerk boy keeping the drug store shelves stocked, etc.
seriously, have you EVER held any job?
>i-its illegal!! muh shares!!!!!
no
if that were true, CEOs would work for free and corporate offices wouldnt have janitors
>>78722171
All the sources I'm reading say that this failed.
>>78737445
>Create government jobs
paid by whom? The people who're now jobless? lol
>jobs program
>paid by those people who're now jobless
>Congress
>Place where laws are made and where serious thinking is required is now equal to some small white collar job for the gov somewhere in alaska
>thinking you can give everyone who has now just lost their job a job paid by the money provided by the people who now lost their job
are you retarded?
>>78738082
But who still allowed it to happen?? And which current candidate supported it as First Lady?
>>78722171
Leftist scum GET THE FICKI OUT
>>78738193
>But who still allowed it to happen??
Slow down faglord. Which party controlled the house and senate that passed the bill and voted OVERWHELMING for it? I'm still waiting........
So I can see some contingencies
>less overstaffing
>more smart phone purchases from the lower class
>more off-the-books workers and people finding it harder to switch jobs
Any other possibilities.
>>78722171
Why don't leftist understand the definion of "real" prices?
If you get 100 % more money, but the inflation also increases 100 % you can only buy the same basket as before and gained therefore nothing.
>>78722171
Enjoy your funemployment.
>>78738801
>work for scraps or we'll remove your job
>no goy, there's no such thing as class warfare
>>78738801
Finally, no more waiting in line.
You know who doesn't need $15 an hour?
Robots
>>78738660
Wow the german actually understanding economy holy shit.
Exactly. You're just fucking the ones making twice the minimum wage before.
>wages go up to 15
>people start laying off workers/raising praises
>everything's expensive again for poorfags
>WE NEED A 30 DOLLAR MINIMUM WAGE
wow good job guys, so much revolution
>>78736198
As can we. But if you can't buy an iMac or Beats it's literal oppression according to these entitled crybabies.
>>78738660
>but the inflation also increases 100 %
it won't because the people being paid more still will spend most of their money on big ticket things like rent, car payments, or clearing debt. a $6 latte will remain a $6 latte because the supply of dosh among the market for luxury items like that will be unchanged
likewise, its only the lowest wages going up, so most items won't change price as they're either made by robots or people paid more than minimum.
>>78738957
Why not?
>>78736204
This guy gets it. Fucking Berniebros fighting to make the man richer by giving them essential monopolies.
>>78722171
And here is your replacement who doesn't demand more than they are worth.
why don't we just all work for less money so we can be rich
>>78736395
Hahahahaha. Government was We the people in the 1700s.
So you and everyone you know is a Harvard law grad with influential families? You network with corporate CEOs and special interest lobbyists since your grand old days at Yale?
Jesus Christ you are a rube.
>>78738957
robots are expensive as shit and require people who make way more than 15$/h to install, oversee, and maintain.
>>78723228
Companies don't pay taxes, they collect them.
>>78739091
apparently you cant
>>78722738
it drops your value significantly
>>78739610
It's cheaper in the long run
>>78722171
At least we officially managed to fuck up minimum wage jobs :DDDD G-D BLESS
>>78739733
literally how
>>78737078
You mean NAFTA? That republican Bill Clinton rolled that turd.
>tfw I worked hard at minimum wage for years to gain experience and get to be making 17/hr today
>I will be making basically minimum wage again
>>78734366
>cost of living goes up because of minimum wage
No. Cost of living goes up because of the realestate Jews controlling supply and demand.
It also goes up because of population growth. Too many people, not enough houses.
1% Jews make too much money in comparison to the workers. There's no arguing it.
President Obama hinted at supporting unconditional free money because of the looming robot takeover. It's the current year and we have the tech, why are human beings still toiling anyway?
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/president-obama-support-basic-income-2016-6
>>78740060
even /pol/s favorite jew economist supports basic income
>>78722171
FUCK YES!!!
It means that if Hillary pushes this, she's going to tank faster than the Titanic.
Best thing we could hope for, is that twat to start trying to adopt Bernie's non-sustainable policies, because it's the death rattle for her. Perfect!
guys cmon I want to hear an actual argument for why this is a good thing. So far I'm pissed
>>78722171
That just means a gallon of milk went from $3 to $7.
>>78738573
You aren't answering the most critical question.
>>78738193
here
It seems that it is possible to fight NAFTA, but it seems only one candidate will do that.
>>78740825
>That just means a gallon of milk went from $3 to $7.
The commercials will be perfect.
>>78740060
There is no such thing as unconditional or free.
Unemployment is more "free" than SS is. You're allowed to spend unemployment however you see fit, but SS must be spent "appropriately" or you can get your benefits removed.
Obama is throwing away his campaign trying to destroy the country and make Republicans looks like the devil just as much as Merkel is trying to make her own people suffer.
Obama was the lesser of two evils. He was a literal who before his Presidency.
>>78740165
>basic income
$15 minimum is not basic income.
Also, basic income plus breeding rat ethnicity will doom a country. Basic income only can work with white people.
>>78740825
>$3 gallon of milk
Do you live in bumfuck countryside of nowhere?
>>78739877
not really, slaves are cheaper than technicians
robots complain less tho.
also, most min wage jobs are service industry. people go to cafes and restos for the experience of being served, not just for food alone. there are already food and drink serving vending machines, and they simply fill a different niche.
>>78741220
read the chain you illiterate fuck
>>78738090
Have you ever worked a job outside of canada? That's really the crux of this.
My store barely has enough staff to cover shit as is. Ever been in a Lowe's hardware store? ever had an easy time finding someone who knew about the department you were in? Thank budget cuts for that. Shit, half our equipment is falling apart and we can't even afford to use electric pallet jacks for our 4000lb pallets of fucking peatmoss.
If they could live with less profits going to corporate, they would. The fact is that they're legally obligated to maximize profits. They have to cut the fat from somewhere, so now it's up to me and two other guys to unload a 1500 item truck with 30+ appliances on it, 5 nights a week. With only one guy in the truck and only four people in the store properly trained to use a forklift.
i make 11.96 an hour. 15 an hour isn't worth losing more staff.
>>78733418
>flag
>bad with money
Nice proxy faggot.
>>78740008
>he actually thinks that raises and promotions have to do with how hard you work
silly americans!!
All his donors are gunna need it desu
>Currently make min wage
>Also working part time
>Can't be fired because government
>Grow own food, hunt own food
I'm actually OK with this. Might make people stop working so much and relax causing more jobs to actually pop up.
Well. I recently got promoted to a job that only makes 15. Does this mean i will get more, or that i wil be cucked by all the minimum wage sheeple?
>>78741752
Enjoy your cucking young go getter.
>>78741409
>a-amerika is SPESHUL!!
what you describe sounds like every other store on earth and especially like what I described: these places already strive for minimum staffing. a higher Mon wage will not affect that doctrine (since its already happening and going to happen regardless of wages) nor will it affect prices because Stihl and Cat pay more than min wage to its manufacturing plant staff and thus are not directly affected by min wage hikes
>>78741752
u got cucked but probably deserve it.
>>78739371
Fucking good. As an aspiring engineer, i love the idea that minimum wage jobs will be slowly phased out. It isnt that i hate them, or feel superior. It is that i think it will force people to learn valuable skills again, and help the human race as a whole.
>>78723228
>Why do people think that $15/hour is unaffordable?
Possibly $15 per hour is a full four dollars per hour higher than at any time in the last 76 years.
>>78742166
If the stores put more into payroll, their earnings sheets show less profits.
Corporate orders them to fix it.
People get laid off, prices go up.
There's nothing anyone can do. Maximizing profits is the legal requirement. The stockholders can and will sue if they do not continue to increase profits.
Yes i know it is insane, economists are insane.
>>78742330
90% of your job can be done by a computer.
I lift fridges. Thank thermodynamics that i'll always be more cost effective than a robot.
>>78722171
If it works out it works out but don't go blaming others if there are job losses.
>>78742279
I would be mad, but you are right. I only work there while getting my engineering degree, and the amount of people who complain about how hard it is makes me mad. Meanwhile i climb the ladder with little to no effort. I am ex mil, and i can honestly say that civies are limp wristed pussies.
>>78742330
I dunno, I think thowe sorts of jobs build character. at least service industry does -- learn you some knife (and oyher tool) handling, how to keep cool with shitty clients, multitasking, and it's surprisingly physical.
store clerks can suck my dick though
>>78742539
No, my whole job is done by a computer. Its why we also learn to code. The money is made because you wage slaves wont put in the time to learn it as well. Someone has to run the computer, and in engineering there arent programs that just autocreate new devices from nothing.
it really is unbelievable leftist faggots cry about this. a 10 year old who cant do basic algebra should be able to independently figure out doubling the minimum wage isnt feasible
Give them $15/hr, take away their welfare. Why should the taxpayers have to subsidize corporations shitty wages?!
>>78742539
Till we design lighter fridges.
>>78742979
>The money is made because you wage slaves wont put in the time to learn it as well
I'd rather work a skill that will still be useful in ten years?
Coding is going to be the first to go. Shit, why do you think microsoft wants every kid to learn coding in high school? Because the more coders there are, the less valuable their labor is, and the less they can pay them, right up until they make a Watson that can code, and then you've got no skills that anyone will pay you for.
You're so smart, did you pay for a mensa membership too?
>>78722171
>$15 an hour
>open border
good luck with those immigrants lads
>>78742330
Most of the people on minimum wage are one of two types of people
1. Kids who are on the bottom level of work experience, these will move on to higher level jobs and education.
2. People who are too old, dumb or lazy to get educated; these people will never learn how to do anything useful and will never advance up from this level of life.
What we need is to just kill off most if not all of #2.
>>78743211
Why would they? Shit, we get some fridges in that weigh almost twice as much because they have a built in keurig machine. The consumer doesn't care how much it weighs, they don't fucking offload or install it themselves.
>>78734366
>work hard to get a job that pays $9/hr
>entire job market is dried up
>getting a degree would put me into massive debt and not guarantee a job
>even then work and school physically and emotionally drains to the point of constant pain and suffering
>minimum wage almost the same as it was 20 years ago
>cost of living is rising but wages aren't year after year
>no one loaning to start a business that statistically would fail and bankrupt me anyway
>half the working class literally fighting to keep wages down and the lower-middle class poor
Democrats raise minimum wage, then raise taxes, so you end up with the same take home pay.
>>78722171
>call for
>>78741143
>There is no such thing as unconditional or free.
you didnt read the article huh?
whats the difference we print money out of thin air anyway, it's just paper backed by nothing
>>78722342
Not quite fpbp but pretty good bantz
>>78743329
>was ready to refute you using statistics
>only 1.7 million people are on minimum wage
Huh. How does that work? is that all the people working retail and fast food?
>>78743226
No shit. I realize technology will advance. The point is to continue your education to stay ahead of it. I promise that physical labor jobs will phase out long before design and developement jobs. The fucking chinese are already using exoskeletons so one guys can carry shitloads of rice. Your job will still exist, but i will be doing it because you cant figure out the controls.
On a side note, no matter how smart somebody is, we will all be surpasses by the next generation. It is called aging.
>>78742331
jesus christ
The reason it was so high in the late 60's was because we had a thriving economy. We now have a shit economy and much higher minimum wage. WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK
>>78743355
Built in keurig? That sounds boss as fuck. I may need to go fridge shopping soon.
>>78722171
Good job running small businesses into the ground, libtards. Only corporations will survive.
>>78738943
>people getting paid what they're worth is "class warfare"
>>78722171
once again /pol/ is all about a big faggot circlejerk.
the DNC voted down the 15/hr minimum wage you fucking morons.
you wall went into shitspin overdrive when OP is lying.
http://usuncut.com/politics/sanders-dnc-platform-committee-fight/
>>78743612
>I promise that physical labor jobs will phase out long before design and developement jobs
You think a computer uses more energy and materials than a machine capable of moving a 500lb refrigerator around by itself?
It's the opposite. The labor jobs will never be cost-efficient to replace with machines. The purely mental keyboard jobs will be the first to go, hence why we see more kiosks at mcdonald's than androids at hardware stores.
>On a side note, no matter how smart somebody is, we will all be surpasses by the next generation. It is called aging.
And the horse population peaked in 1913. What a great precedent you're setting.
>>78743538
Even in Retail and Fast Food you will get raises, just through time on the job.
Add 50 cents and hour and you are no longer minimum wage.
That said, the gap between Welfare programs' effective value and minimum wage means that you will have a better standard of living on Welfare than on minimum wage.
>>78723228
>Minimum wage goes up to $15/hr
>Companies are now going to start letting go people while keeping Good employees around. Why pay $15/hr for burger flippers when you can pay someone who can burger flip, scrap fries, assemble burgers with toppings, and ring people up because they can multitask?
>People think it'll be easy to get jobs if MW goes up.
>The cost of living goes up with MW increase. Markets increase prices due to MW increasing.
Why do people think $15/hr is ground breaking and will help the poor when literally it's just going to feel as if MW never went up to begin with?
>>78743360
Pussy. 4 to 8 years of "emotionally draining" school and work is nothing compared to bettering yourself. As far as money and job prospects, well that is up to you. School can be free if you take the right actions, and if you study hard and choose a decent feild, then jobs are more likely. The bottom line is that it should make you better in general, or you arent doing it right.
>>78744024
Ah so they're cooking the books. Figures. it's the same with how they keep the unemployment figures down.
>>78744030
Statistically modern reality is the picture I painted. What you paint is what a slim few can achieve in [current year].
>>78743635
Miminum wage actively harms the economy.
You show me a government Program and I will show you a flawed system that is almost always doing more harm than good.
>>78743930
Not sure what the horse reference was meant to imply. Most older men i know have bad backs. I understand that your job ,ay be beneficial, but the odds are that only people under 40 will be doing it. What are you going to do when you cant perform your job anymore? Seems like a little computer experience may be useful, unless you want to be another old grumpy guy working at walmart.
>>78739887
Because 15 applies to every swinging dick. Including gas station attendants. When Shlomo has to pay Pablo 15 buck an hour to stand at a cash register he will lose money so, in order to make money Shlomo raises the price of his goods in order to make profit. I.e. you pay more. When you are paying more for literally every fucking thing your paycheck will seem to evaporate the moment it hits your account.
>>78730697
If this happens I'm legit going to get all my coworkers to go on strike if my company won't also double our wages.
Go from $17/hr to $35/hr.
I'd only need like 1/3 of my coworkers to strike to shut down production since we're so understaffed right now.
The single largest medical testing laboratory in the world can't afford to shut down for more than an hour.
>>78739887
>a canadian who doesn't know how economics work
how original
>>78722538
isnt this image banable
>>78738943
it used to be if a job had too shit of a pay to make it worth it, no one would do it until the company raised the wages. now we're petitioning the government to force a whole load of shit jobs right out of existence which will only lead to out sourcing and automation. how is this heavy handedness with the job market a good thing? if your job doesn't pay enough, quit. it's that fucking simple.
What /pol/ did this week:
>Made Britain's economy shittier
What libs did this week:
>Make average American's life great again
>>78744501
>trying to get higher wages by losing their company's money
I won't be surprised if you get laid off you fucking retard
>>78744215
I talkto many people due to my job and so forth. The majority of people are either going for IT,or business. When i try to push people towards STEMthey always say the same thing, "but i dont like math". My point is that people think simply going to school should land them work. The truth is that you sometimes have to do things you dont like to get a better life, even if it does mean learning calculus. I believe the problem is in motivation, not in the system. I will admit that the schools do play off of this by convincing students that they made a good choice by going dor liberal arts.
>>78744623
>implying
>implying
>being this short sighted
>>78744358
>Not sure what the horse reference was meant to imply.
Nobody is going to get paid for the work of a robot.
>What are you going to do when you cant perform your job anymore? Seems like a little computer experience may be useful, unless you want to be another old grumpy guy working at walmart.
In 20 years when i cannot do this job any more, there will be very few jobs that aren't extremely physical that a cheaper computer cannot do.
What'll i do? fuck if i know. I don't pretend to have all the answers.
>>78722171
You fags have nothing. Left and right are both neocon kike puppets.
There is only nationalism vs globalism.
>>78722513
For kikespamming everywhere.
>>78722171
plz no
I'm a completey replaceable unskilled worker.
I don't want to lose both of my jobs because suddenly I cost my employers many times my worth.
>>78744432
Exactly. We will always get the same amount for the same work, that is economy. If we made a pallet of gold bars for a days work, then bread would cost half a pallet. The smartest thing to do would be to make minimum wage 2 dollars an hour, and lower everyone elses pay to match. Then you can use those pennies to actually buy shit instead of using them to fill jars.
>>78734431
They're allready doing that though idiot
>hurr durr why are they doing that thing they're allready doing!!!
>lets keep the lower class underpayed that'll stop large business from doing what its currently already doing
>>78734431
>>78725751
Basically.
>>78744814
The guy who built the robot gets paid.
I have no clue either, i am simply preparing the best way i know how. I am currently in great shape, and i can lift a shitload. Current deadlift is 495 pounds. I am also 32, so i know that i cant do physical labor forever. If i am lucky i will land en engineering gig, and move far enough up the ladder before it collapses that i wont be effected. Chances are i will be in the welfare line right next to you when the chinese finally take over.
>>78745175
Maybe not that low. Take it down to $5.25. That would stimulate inflation increasing profit margins and expanding the middle class.
>>78745551
Either way. It is just important that all pay gets lowered at the same time to prevent the market from becoming unstable.
>>78744700
Except the business literally cannot afford to do that. Clients would bail, and the branch would get shut down before they could hire enough new people and train them.
>>78722825
And go work at hot'n'now for 15 an hour.
>>78736204
rare flag
>prolly in the oil biz?
