Why are Americans so obsessed with Marines? It seems like everywhere I look in american culture Marines are hailed as America's greatest warriors. Im also pretty sure my girlfriend is cheating on me with a former marine.
Someone redpill me on marines? Are they basically special forces
What's wrong with being proud of our military?
The marines predate the United States of America
>>78715844
Marines are recruited from jails and insane asylums for bloodlust
Civilians think Marines are some sort of special forces within the Army. They are just over hyped sailors that get to do stuff on land sometimes. They also spend more time on their uniforms than anything else. Perception is what it all comes down to.
>>78715844
Maybe instead of violating the rules here you should look up some history, like the battles of Chapultepec or Guadalcanal.
>>78715844
>Im also pretty sure my girlfriend is cheating on me with a former marine.
is this a new meme?
>>78716097
Im not sure that is accurate, i knkw the army and the navy do
>>78716277
Not since Vietnam
>>78716507
November 10th, 1775
>>78716097
>>78716507
Marine Corps was founded Nov 10th 1775
>>78716437
it's just your average marine poster. they have to make up stories to feel good
>>78715844
Marines are fuckig retards
They think they are special forces when in reality they are the navy's cannon fodder
Never been impressed by a marine
>Marines
>America's greatest warriors
>LaughingGreenBeretsDeltaForce&DEVGRUOperators.jpg
>>78716359
I think it must be the uniforms then. I remember when there were a bunch of marines in my city for some event and my girlfriend kept commenting on how good they looked in their dress uniforms. That was about nine months ago and we just had our first child. Did I get cucked?
>>78715844
As someone on /k/ once said, it's just great marketing and a nice uniform.
>>78715844
I'm a Marine and I don't know why.
I have banged a thousand woman on my Marine credentials.
Feels good man.
>>78715844
Marketing, US Mil has a huge marketing campaign. A lot of the "support the troops" memes are actually payed by the military. NFL has it in every game iirc.
Mahreen here
very unmoto so I'd say I'm not super biased
With that being said Marines are not on the level by any means of special forces. The SF community is a very small elite section of the military. However due to are size we are more effective for large scale warfare then SFs.
As far as vs army, navy, and air force. We absolutely are far away and better in every aspect. We have always been but in recent times that gap has become larger and larger. All components if the military are being softened today but are highers are doing all they can to fight against it.
>>78715844
>Are they basically special forces
No, more like Army reserve.
>>78715844
From what i've experienced, most marines are fucking loud mouths who will never let you forget in ways both subtle and unsubtle what bad asses they were. Which is probably true. And since they spend so much time parading about their bad assitude, the bravado eventually rubs off on everyone they come in contact with. The hype is real, so I don't really get pissed off over it at all.
>>78718506
The army in general is a joke senpai. Not good at what they do, let alone the weekend warrriors.
I do have respect for the AF there good at what they do then, the Navy is on a okay level. But the army holly fuck they are litteraly a shit show
>>78718093
Sailor here
Pretty much this. The Marines are smaller, and have fewer support specialties than the Army. Their narrow focus, and smaller numbers have allowed them to maintain higher standards than the other services, especially the Army. It's not that the Army sucks, there are thousands of highly skill and highly professional soldiers, but as a WHOLE the Army cannot maintain standards like the Marines and hope to man all of the jobs that they have to staff to function. The Army is HUGE, and varied. Marines are small and specialized--that usually always means higher standards, whether military or any other profession.
Marines care more about the tightness of their uniform creases than the tightness of their shot group.
>>78718506
More like an entire branch of Army Rangers--it's really the closest comparison that can be made--they're not "elite" compared to JSOC stuff, but they have higher standards than the regular rank and file.
>>78715844
If you knew a marine you would know why. Their old recruiting motto is accurate.
The Few The Proud The Brave
>>78715844
>America's greatest warriors
we are
Marines and the mc itself goes out their way to hype themselves up. They have all sorts of dumb shit legends for how bad ass they are. They aren't sf, they are just light infantry really, the organization is unique in that it completely revolves around the infantry. That being said I have met many good marines who weren;t koolaid drinking moto heads.
>>78719151
>entire branch of rangers
holy shit you must be beyond retarded
This is the most retarded thing I've heard. Maybe you guys are army rangers in terms of sleeve rolling ability, but time and time again a battalion of rangers has been proven to be superior to a battalion of regular infantry marine grunts.
>10/10, took the bait
>>78719362
I should have said "ranger qualified". There are plenty of Marines that do jobs and have skill sets nowhere near an actual Ranger battalion.
>>78715844
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahaha
looks like your girl got MARINED
t. deployed 0203
>tfw POG
plz no bully
Theyre single minded, unyielding killing machines and they have good advertising and PR. Aside from SEALs etc, theyre built to be the baddest motherfuckers and be proud of it.
>>78719517
what the fuck do you even mean by ranger qualified
Do you mean to say each and every single marine could go through RASP? I'll concede that an average 0311 probably could do better than an 11b, but shit man get off your high fucking horses.
>>78719362
fuck off i played call of duty i know how its like
>>78719362
>>78719517
And I'm only referring to the day-to-day command environment and standards. Yes, the Marines are more like a Ranger unit in THAT regard, even if the average Marine isn't as skilled as an Army Ranger.
>>78715844
The marines are the PR branch of the US armed forces.
They've got a great brand name, so people like them and hear about them, so their brand name gets better. Basically meme magic.
>>78719673
dude marines are speznaz qualified, have you ever seen them? they can kill like twenty before having to hide and heal
>>78719673
see
>>78719699
And no, not every Marine could go through RASP.
>>78719699
I'll admit yeah you guys run a tighter ship, and better standards for shit such as your IBOLC equivalent. But you guys don't send all your infantry officers to RASP, so it makes sense.
Also, standards. Fuck you niggers and your uniforms fitting all good and shit.
>>78719332
Really to be successful in the corps you have to have that attitude. I never really was super moto and it definitely affected the way my staff and officers viewed me. You really have to actually think that way or fake it or you'll be looked over
>>78715844
After the Navy desecrates you from the coastline we send the Marines in to finish the Job. Then we set up shop with the Army.
>>78716679
And it was disbanded. The marines that exist now are not the same as the Colonial Marines.
>>78715844
A strong military tradition makes for a strong military. Likewise with society. Why do you think Obama has done everything in his power to erode the traditions and honor of military service?
>>78718856
Still better than any other country's army, plus keep in mind Obama has been trying to undermine the Army specifically his entire terms. Also he just appointed a woman who has never flown a single combat mission as Secy. of the Air Force.
>>78718093
>All components if the military are being softened today but are highers are doing all they can to fight against it.
Damn right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DS2wXSKF5k
>>78719919
I'm not a Marine. I was a naval officer. I have know people who picked Marines literally just for the uniform though.
>>78720154
You gotta admit its a pretty badass dress uniform, though.
Same shit with SEALs
Propaganda.
Not that SEALs aren't badasses but I assume half their missions are spent writing their own biographies now.
>>78720269
It's literally the goat.
Shit's sexy, even I can admit it. Dudes look good.
>>78720294
This, combined with 80% of all SOCOM sorties being them publishing dick measuring novels. You never hear PJs, TACPs, or even MARSOC dudes stroking their own dicks. That's why I love the green berets, they are comparatively quiet. Good guys too.
>>78715844
Not all Marines are badasses
My cousin was a Major
The most bluepilled obedient non-tough guy ever
It's sad really
>>78720269
It's pretty much perfect.
They really do need to reassess the Army service uniform though--that shit is horrendous--way too many sparkly things and doodads, and the fit looks like trash on 50% of people.
>>78720469
Same reason I like the Rangers. They seem more interested in getting the job done than anything else.
>>78720469
Any chance for a military coup if Obama simply decides he isn't going to leave office? He's gone full tyrannical, nothing he would do could surprise me at this point, he isn't even trying to hide it now.
>>78720486
The ASU, or so I've heard, was the pet project of some general's wife who thought the civil war uniforms looked sexy as shit.
In concept it's an interesting idea, but
>patches removed, instead unit pins
>fuck all tailoring by the average joe
>civil war shoulder boards
They need to sit down and scrap the whole fucking thing. Bring back real leather shoes, eliminate berets for everyone, only for """real""" berets (think rangers), and just unfuck it all. WWII has some slick ass uniforms, they need to bring those back.
It's all about mission scope and budget. The Corps' mission is high surf zone to 80 miles inland. We get used in other ways because we are smaller and more mobile as an org. The Army has units that have the same deployment readiness standards like the ranger reg. and 82nd. But as a whole the Army is slower because it is massive. Plus the Army is an occupying force, they take space and fortify. The Coprs gets used as a shock troop to attack and move forward and often depends on the Army's log pac. We don't have the greatest military on the planet due to our infantry but because our logistics train is fucking legit. Source I'm a grunt. 2/7 oorah.
>>78720835
Is this b8 or are you actually that delusional?
>>78720835
> if Obama simply decides he isn't going to leave office
he'ld be removed by his own party before opposition could even unify.
our political parties are smart enough not to do something that overt, they rely on being just abstract enough to not get called out.
>>78716824
Sadly yes, they are the cannon fodder. Green berets and navy seals are the badasses
>>78715984
As always, first post best post.
>>78715844
>Why are Americans
>checks flag
aiit. proxy jewtrix it is
>>78720925
I think we should give Tom Ford a contract and let him pull a 'Hugo Boss'. We should hire clothing designers to design clothes, not logistics specialists and supply officers.
>>78720835
Oh god a freeper wandered off the reservation.
>>78717085
Probably.
>>78720835
0%, because it will never happen
you complete fucking retard
>Im also pretty sure my girlfriend is cheating on me with a former marine.
marine hate threads in one sentence
>>78721294
fuck it
bring jackboots, all black uniforms, go full nazi. Issue overcoats and replace all ranks with white and black, instead of gold and black.
We love our country and love killing mudslimes that want to hurt our way of life.
Some Marines are shitty but for the most part we are pretty based.
>0311 oef prior service marine
>>78715844
They get sent to be the first to die for everything pretty much
It'd be hard to recruit if they weren't glorified in some manner
>>78721755
I think we'll inevitable go with stuff like this at some point. Also, I forgot Dale Dye was in this.
>>78720139
>Why do you think Obama has done everything in his power to erode the traditions and honor of military service?
Dumbass, Obama has had so many terrorist leaders killed since he got OBL that even the CIA is pissed off at him. He used military trained people to do it.
>>78722170
God those uniforms looked good. Also, gary busey's son was in this, who coincidentially looked like a ranger I knew, down to a t.
>>78721140
Doesn't being cannon fodder male you a sort of badass? It's not like a coward would willingly be that.
>>78722522
Then every single man and woman enlisted in the Russian/Soviet army is a badass.
Taking pride in the ability to successfully complete tasks that may result in death is heroic, Following blind orders to death as "cannon fodder" is idiotic.
>>78722522
No, it just makes you dead.
>>78722720
>sweden
this might be a good thread to ask...
i know jack shit about the us military but i keep wondering... why do the us insignias seem all over the place? is there a historical reason? their purpose is to identify their wearer the simplest way possible without mistake. The various sergeant ones are confusing as fuck (star, wings and a diamond), why does the colonel get an eagle? is there method in this madness?
Marines are no different than welfare queens.
They only join because they're too stupid or scared to live out in the real world. They willingly become good little government dogs so their master will take care of them.
>>78722720
>Taking pride in the ability to successfully complete tasks that may result in death is heroic, Following blind orders to death as "cannon fodder" is idiotic.
Who should do it then? If they didn't need human wave tactics they wouldn't be used. I don't understand why getting killed in the line of duty would invalidate heroism.
>>78722759
To be fair, no one would risk the elite forces the same way they do Marines. Special forces are generally given jobs that have a high survival rate if done properly. I'm not saying they aren't better soldiers; they obviously are, but you still need to respect the front-line maggots.
>>78722864
Reminder that we train your SF
Also that our shitty little navy sunk your aircraft carrier in a training exercise so hard you needed to borrow our submarine to figure out how the fuck it happened . Our military might be small, but it's damn effective and non polluted with SJW shit
>>78715844
we aren't
we are obessed with our military in general
Marines is just one branch
typically it goes like this
the poor - army
the stupid - marine
the average - navy
the smart cynical cunts - air force
>>78723077
Committing suicide isn't heroic. Being heroic is living and having a positive impact on society.
>>78723077
No what im saying is that taking pride in knowing that you and your squad will take the objective no matter what is heroic, it takes skill and courage, Being ordered into machine gun fire aka japanese 1940 for the sake of heroism is pretty shitty.
Think of the marines during the pacific campaign, those fuckers were tough and effective.
MUSCLES
ARE
NEEDED
INTELLIGENCE
NOT
EXPECTED
>>78715844
Every great nation has an elite army. US has Marine Corps, Nazi Germany had SS, Rome had praetorians. It's more useful to group the few talented individuals together into an elite army and push their training really far, than it is to maintain an equally skilled army.
![12]3-94o.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wuEkswL.jpg "12]3-94o.jpg")
>>78715844
>>78723592
>MANINE
I see, those must be the standards for the Australian Shitposting Division?
>>78723361
Should you disobey the order, then? Is it more heroic to run? I agree getting killed isn't combat effectiveness, but still.
>>78723350
>Being heroic is living and having a positive impact on society.
There is a reason women like decorated soldiers. They are obviously braver and more community oriented than some beta faggot who works his day job and then goes home to watch TV.
An Air Force OV-10 pilot gave up his life to save a family member of mine, a Marine, during the Vietnam War.
The Navy Department named a ship after the pilot who earned the MoH for saving my brother.
I shake the hand of every Air Force person I meet to this very day.
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/MuseumExhibits/FactSheets/Display/tabid/509/Article/195932/capt-steven-l-bennett.aspx
>>78715844
>Why are Americans so obsessed with Marines?
obvious
>>78715844
Barring modern special forces, Marines are the one military branch that solely built to fighting. They don't even have their own medics (Navy supplies medics).
>>78715844
I want to look up all the wars America has started in the last fifty years.
Did you do that? Good.
Now look me in the eye and tell me Americans do not enjoy bathing in the blood of the innocents. It is natural for a militaristic culture to be obsessed with its soldeirs
>>78723827
If there are literally no way out, Charge the fuckers (like that British company that ran out of ammunition, bayonet charged the Taliban ) but that should be avoided since you are more valuable to your country alive and serviceable.
>>78723766
>>78723161
>not polluted with SJW shit
your entire nation is the definition of cucks. So is your military, from my experience.
>>78719563
>Afghanistan
so you're the real deal huh?
>>78723167
the pussies - coast guard
>>78719563
>intelligence officer
>military """"intelligence""""
I do respect all intel guys though, since I owe a huge deal to a guy in Army MI for helping me get through some tough times. You guys are weird but alright with me.
>>78723827
>There is a reason women like decorated soldiers. They are obviously braver and more community oriented than some beta faggot who works his day job and then goes home to watch TV.
What is the difference between the two? They both lack drive to do anything impressive or difficult with their life.
>>78724253
Even a broke clock is right twice a day
>>78723167
Air force has the shittiest of officers. Unprofessional, dickish, and generally cockheads. Never met one that I didn't instantly dislike, apart from a few
![Exeter[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3kX7CZI.jpg "Exeter[1].jpg")
>m also pretty sure my girlfriend is cheating on me with a former marine
Once a marine, always a marine you pathetic cuck.
>>78724147
Yezzir
>>78724059
I noticed you wrote your post in English as opposed to German, Russian, Japanese, Korean or Vietnamese. You're welcome. The bloodlust you mentioned allows you to have the freedom to post your delusions while having furry tail buttplug up your ass at the same time. For you, life is grand and you didn't even have to pay for it.
>>78723643
>SS
>special forces
wat?
>preatorians
>special forces
wat?
>>78724313
true that. Not that it matters, since the military is so retarded that even if your intel was good shit would still be fucked up beyond any sense.
>>78724059
> Communists
> Innocents
pick one
> Shitskins
> Innocents
pick one
all leftists need to be hanged for treason
>>78724410
None of those countries even attempted to invade America though.
>>78724575
Shoo shoo Jew
>>78718983
Every marine goes through a month of Infantry training after their 3 month long boot camp. also marines have the highest qualification score for the rifle range than any other branch.
>Just bought a KAC Micro stolen valor sight
>Never served
They're not as good as SF
But they're bad asses above the army navy and usaf
>>78724575
That includes 99% of your people then you are aware?
>>78724575
thank you greatest ally
>>78724759
It's infantry training light. It barely counts, don't make it out to be 100x as intense as RASP, or even OSUT
>>78716277
>implying no one /pol/ is like that
>implying this is bad
>>78724255
>What is the difference between the two? They both lack drive to do anything impressive or difficult with their life.
That might be true right now, but in a real war situation (WWI, WWII, etc.) being a soldier is an honorable thing.
>>78724080
All I was saying is getting killed doesn't invalidate heroism. Somebody needs to take the jobs that put you right into harms way. Even the special forces would be killed in some of the historical cannon fodder situations. The only real difference is that no one values the life of a marine very much, hence the astronomical risks they are sometimes subjected to.
>>78724410
>believing the US needed to invade any of those countries to build a free society
>>78715844
>basically special forces
Ok, so probably a troll thread but I'm a layman's expert here so...
The Corps really, technically shouldn't exist. It has a proud history and all, but it doesn't serve a purpose. Anything the Corps does, the army can do, often times better, except with a massive logistical apparatus and more funding behind it. Indeed it has traditionally been the army at the "tip of the spear" and the army at the helm of major amphibious assaults despite what Marine Corps propaganda says. When the Marines lost Ramadi, Army units had to capture it twice. This is because of unit specialization. As for why the Corps still exists -- as for any government organization -- they constantly justify their existence to the fed, often times via a massive propaganda arm. Though the Marine Corps original purpose is merely a vestige in the wake of its now quasi-army structure.
I'll give gung-ho marines this: By virtue of their size and focus on riflemanship, their infantry units are, on average, a bit more effective than Army infantry units in some combat scenarios. That said, there are a lot of army infantry units who, by virtue of their specialization and funding, however minute an advantage, are way more effective in other environments.
But the quasi-special forces meme propagated by morons regurgitating prropaganda is in its entirety a fabrication.
>>78721140
>green berets
Aren't "Delta Force" and the Rangers considered to be above the Green Berets?
>>78723643
>elite army
Lets try not to pretend they aren't anything more than a large land force for the Navy. Each branch of the American military attempts to be as self sufficient as possible. The Seals act as the Navy SF, the marines are their infantry and armd capabilities.
>>78716825
Marines are bullet sponges.
Operators come from all branches. They're the real soldiers of today.
>>78722451
>looks good
>plastic buckles on a dress uniform
>>78723643
The Marine Corps is not an elite unit, it's simply a branch of the US Military that you can choose to enlist in. The reason for the obsession with Marines over other branches is because the Marines represent our frontline troops, and so best epitomize American military discipline and jingoism.
>>78724932
>That might be true right now, but in a real war situation (WWI, WWII, etc.) being a soldier is an honorable thing.
Wrong. Dying is the easiest thing for any man or woman to do.
>>78715844
Because we're the best.
In order to provide fresh blood to the armed forces, Americans have a large military establishment, it's become an entire culture.
These are mostly conservative, white, ra-ra-Americans who speak with regional accents of some type or another.
This culture is supported by military movies, military books, and a spirit of nationalism in the schools (not ethnic nationalism unfortunately, more like "muh Constitution")
Because in these places the military is so idolized, there are millions of "pretend soldiers" and "wanna be tough guys" who worship the military and military veterans despite being to pussy to join themselves. These are the kind of people that join militias, prep for WW3 and participate in gun culture. (Actual veterans are like celebrities in gun culture)
These are the people that worship the Marines. Because the Marines are supposedly the best of the best, the ultimate badass soldier (gorilla warfare, 300 confirmed kills). Many of these people have an obsession with them that borders on unhealthiness.
And of course there's the fact that the Marine Corps does do a lot of dangerous shit, and their standards really are a lot higher than the other branches. Lots of dead marines unfortunately, not so much in the Chair Force or the Navy
Why not the army? I like their values, and they are different from the Marines.
I like the military for its discipline and values, but I'd rather not be a pawn and die when I can use my intelligence to make a bigger difference.
>>78725260
All throughout history soldiers have always been sponges of rocks, spears, arrows, etc
You watch too much TV kid. Or play too many games.
>>78725060
the marines are a department of the navy.
>>78716437
What's really happening is that the Marine wives are being rejected by the rest of the military because they are too ugly and alone.
>>78724169
totally forgot about them
>>78724339
thats because they have the most benefits out the rest of the branches and gloat like mad cunts about it
>>78725343
But fighting isn't. Cuck.
The trick isn't to die for your country. But to make the other bastard die for his.
>>78725614
They're two sides of the same coin.
My
Ass
Rides
In
Navy
Equipment
Now you know what marines are all about.
>>78720139
That video is pretty dope
Thanks for posting
>>78725489
You're canadian. You considering service as a path to citizenship?
>>78715844
Why are they even called Marines, don't they mostly serve on land?
>>78716359
Chairforce 2nd Lieutenant checking in.
Marines are retards, they're literally cannon fodder.
The only reason they are hyped up so much is so that people will continue to enlist so we have bullet sponges out there to fight ground wars when needed. If we treated them like the human meat bag cattle they really are then no one would enlist and our ground warfare would suffer due to a lack of enlisted men.
The hype and the bravado is literally just so that we can keep the numbers up. Marines are retarded and worthless.
>>78725060
still, army basic pussy ass training is weak af
>>78717085
That's your only proof? Really? No, youre fine.
>>78718093
>>78718904
Airman here, all the services are similar in function, just different names for the same shit.
That being said I respect marines more than any other service as far as discipline and "militarized shit" goes because they do it best. As the sailor dude said, they have the highest standards because they're the smallest and thus it was a lot easier to maintain their culture over the past few hundred years. Army was fucking garbage though, the biggest fuckups I ever met were always from the army. Whether it's breaking the law, drugs, failing PT Evals and overall being a dipshit, the army always got first place.
>>78725802
No, just saying in general.
>>78717764
You're part of the problem grunt. Stop sullying your semi-honorable service by being a man whore.
>>78715844
Only marines and dumbshit teens that fall for the propaganda care about marines and think they are hot shit.
>>78725847
They're part of the navy and their primary duties are tied to ships. They have land bases for convenience.
>>78715984
Because nationalism is a disease. Why should we blindly praise people?
>>78715844
They're the most elite/selective of the "open-to-all" enlisted grunt cannon-fodder branches, and because of that, the jim-bobs, cletuses, and other would-be high school dropouts who make up their ranks think that makes them just like the green berets, rangers, or seals.
They're pretty badass with a history of kicking some serious ass, but they let it go to their heads and think they're more elite than they actually are.
>>78726085
Are you vet?
>>78725917
Benning OSUT is no joke, it's just not propagandized and sacralized ad nauseam
But I'm responding to a 6th grader who reads every issue of high and tight daily, so I'm not sure if you care about the nuances between the branches
>>78715844
> 2 posts by this ID
>>78725901
This, they're basically the mobile infantry in the Verhoeven version of Starship Troopers.
>>78715984
fpbp in action, folks
>>78726085
You're praising your people. Lack of nationalism is what brought in hordes of third world beasts in the first place.
Nationalism would have kept America 98% white.
>>78718904
Where you based sailorbro?
>>78725901
What's your AFSC, bootenant
>>78726220
Constantly referencing their history is what gives the new guys something to aspire to. The whole chest pumping show is part of how they inspire Marines to maintain standards.
>>78720469
How do LRRP marines compare to other special forces?
>>78718093
>>78715844
Marines are just a portion of the navy right? Pretty sure it says it right in the logo
>>78725125
No the rangers are specops. Green Berets are badasses selected from the rangers. Kinda like how SEAL team 6 is the badasses of the Seals. Delta Force is made up of the take no fucking shit guys from all the spec ops teams. Largely green berets but seals and force recon guys can be part of it
>>78726427
I'm out now. Pearl Harbor was my home port.
>>78726498
LRRP barely exists anymore, kind of irrelevant question.
>>78725901
>Marines are retarded and worthless.
Yeah, except when you need cannon fodder, like you have admitted yourself. Cannon fodder is a strategic necessity, so it is heroic, whether you like it or not. It's certainly more heroic than doing some desk job or killing people from safety like artillery squads do.
>>78725343
Except it's not, because cowards have a long history of selling everyone else around them out, to live at their expense.
>>78725316
>The reason for the obsession with Marines over other branches is because the Marines represent our frontline troops, and so best epitomize American military discipline and jingoism.
The guys actually fighting the war? Sounds like a branch deserving of respect to me.
>>78719699
As a Marine and based on my experiences, the Marine Corps has better Jr. NCOs. Marine Infantry aren't better man to man than an Army Infantry unit, but they have slightly better leadership than the Average at the small unit level.
This is entirely because the Marines is smaller though and actually has more money to spend on Schools.
The Army is fine though, the Infantry guys are hardcore. Army pogues howerver, can tend towards FAR worse than Marines.
>>78719919
Yeah and all Corporals (e-4) in the infantry go to an MOS specific NCO's Course.
>>78715844
There's always some /pol/ users hate on military so much, I don't get it. For the most part:
>Right Wing politically
>Nationalist
>Anti-degeneracy
>Turns niggers into citizens
>>78718093
As a prior Armyfag I have to agree. The Marines are far more geared to be an expeditionary fighting force, while Army is large scale operations. Granted the Army is far more diverse in occupations and generally is the logistical center of the military (POGs). There is a small percentage of the Army (like 1%) that does the same shit as Marines, and SOCOM is primarily Army-side in terms of numbers, but it is a joint effort.
I was Aviation and we worked with Rangers and Marines quite a bit in Afghanistan, the inexperienced ones were always arrogant. We had a small group of SEALS (tier 2) and rangers on one mission and the rangers were like a bunch of kids compared to the seal guys. Those guys were super professional and easy to work with, definitely on a different level.
>>78716277
No that's imperial sardaukar
>>78725489
>LDRSHIP
Fucking army and their backronyms
>>78718093
>Marines
>better in air combat than my glorious Chairforce
Let me give you a storry
>Be OIF 2006
>Be inna camp thunder waiting for sortie info
>supposed to be flying joint operations with MUHREEN pilots as well as some Navy AWACs.
>Scuttlebutt is that mission plan is being altered because Muhreen logistics forgot to cross some ts and dot some I's so their F-18s haven't been transferred yet
>fly sortie with 159th without fucking retard marines
>marines arrive 6 months later
>butthurt that they missed out on lots of sorties.
>>78726747
Yeah I'll give you an example how the Marine Corps is geared differently. Marine Rifle squads have 3 fire teams, 13 men, and only have Rifles Native. 240s, Rockets, any of that shit is attached.
The Marine Corps uses squads more like how the Army uses a platoon.
>>78726747
?
The marines are not geared to do anything... other than take excessive casualties & lose battles
The Marines requires a higher level of fitness BEFORE you even join. People who don't pass are rejected and join other branches. Of those that are accepted, there is still a high drop out rate compared to other branches. In the marines everyone is an infantry man FIRST, then you take secondary training for your specialty. http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2016/06/21/new-marine-corps-fitness-standards-combat-weed-out-men-women-alike/86169826/
>>78726285
oh I care, I care about how bad you make the US military look weak af
>>78725901
Butthurt POG ass lieutenant. Stay mad airfag stay mad. Stick to what you know and being an air force officer that pretty much leaves your knowledge to sucking cock and playing golf.
>>78726527
That is what their paycheck says.
>>78715844
royal marines maybe
american marines are normal infantry but better trained and have tanks and aircraft
rule Britannia and so fourth
USA
USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GizY1eEeIk
>>78720469
College professor of mine back in the day was a green beret.
>Was down in the campus library late one night doing a paper probably like 2am or something, not a soul in sight for hours.
>all of a sudden out of no where professor comes walking down the aisle with a bowl in his hand.
>Walks right up to me and puts his hand out with the bowl in it, offering it to me.
>Look inside the bowl and it's a bowl of chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream.
>I take the bowl from him and start to say thanks but before i can utter a word he turns around on his heel and starts walking away
>walks out of the building without saying a word
>next day in class never mentions any of it to me and has never spoken about it to this day
I ate that fucking ice cream and I still to this day have no idea why he did it.
>>78727092
The marines, by structure and doctrine, are more geared to be a rapid reaction force, whereas Army is not so much, except for SOCOM units of course.
Note how I'm not actually talking about effectiveness.
>>78725802
How does that work, anyway? Can I just sign up or are there extraordinary qualifications/conditions like there are for normal immigration?
>>78726364
this guy gets it.
but in reality, being in the muhreens is just a cop out career for the mentally handicapped or underachiever.
It's a far more heroic and honorable feat these days to get a good job that benefits your community and your country, get a good wife and then have and raise good children who will do the same.
there are no wars right now threatening the safety of the USA that require you to enlist - the most important war we can fight right now is from home.
If you're enlisting into a specific MOS to learn a trade as I did as an Air Froce Aviator then I can understand that - its a job that applies both in the military and in the real world.
Now every dudebro and high school drop out joins the marines and then pretends that they're gods gift to america and expects everyone to suck their dick for choosing the easiest path available to them.
>>78726747
>turns niggers into citizens
wrong.
I've never met a black person in modern times who turned out to not be a nigger even after serving in the armed forces.
>>78727011
That's why the oic is called a platoon commander.
>>78727303
Those Marine drop-outs end up doing the shitty work in other branches. And that's still a step up from the Marine Corps.
>>78728353
Eh, true, but they're still better than their counterparts who didn't go in. Nigs gonna nig.
>>78715844
Because of Hollywood. My father was a marine, and I do respect the marines, but only as being the second-best army in the world, behind the United States Army that I and nine generations of my ancestors served in, from the Honorable Military Company of Massachusetts to today.
>largest amphibious assault ever: u.s. army at normandy
>75% of all wwii fighting in euro theater; half of pacific handled by army anyway
>all amphib ops in 'nam not done by seals done by army
>tours in iraq/afghan for soldiers three times as long as those done by marines
>2/3 of all SOF capacity in army
>3/4 of all MOH ever awarded were awarded to army
I'm not saying they don't deserve their rep, but the notion that they compare too favorably to the army is a joke.
>>78726478
11FX, however, I am contemplating weather or not I want to switch to either 11SX or 11EX so I can get in on some of that DARPA dosh.. or you know.. die trying.
>>78723050
Gr8 b8 m8
>>78717085
In your dreams. You cross dressing bacon fairy.
>>78716507
The Marines: a division of the US Navy (even though they try to cover that part of their seal up)
Easy way to remember it: My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment?
>>78725901
>literally a Chair Force bootenant
>making fun of anybody else
CANT
MAKE
THIS
SHIT
UP
>>78715844
No one ZMOG Marines, except for high school kids! Every branch of military is pretty much looked down upon because all the shit the younger guys do. Fights, drunk driving, domestic issues... that's really the only time you hear about them, that or "MUH DISCOUNT."
Only special forces or people in "tough" ratings get any respect. Besides that, the military is just much muhhh...
>>78728592
going into the military does NOT make you a good person.
By and Large in today's times it's a cop out decision for idiots who can't hack it at home and want structure, food, a bad and license to say that they are better than everyone else for literally no other reason than signing their life over to someone else out of hte pure laziness of their hearts.
I almost never mention my service and i endeavor not to because it doesn't define me. I made my decision to join the AF purely as a career decision and in a few more years I can resign my commission after my obligation is paid off and then I can live a comfy life as a civilian aviator and get paid twice as much for half the hours and two thirds less bullshit.
That is however, all subject to change depending on the industry and weather or not we get into it with any big players out there.
>>78715844
Marines are the reason we squashed Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan
They are literally the TIP of the spear and they're pretty much the most elite infantry fighting force on the face of the earth
>>78728703
please.. the US Army is a police force and fucking laughable one at that.
>>78729127
>>78729122
Does it not teach discipline, though?
>>78729127
>Marines are the reason we BOMBED Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan
>They are literally the Shit on the Ground and they're pretty much the most overrated infantry fighting force on the face of the earth
FTFY
>>78729127
Marine here.
I'm very doubtful of that.
>>78716549
Nah my Buddy got recruited this way for the afghan invasion. Not sure which state though
>>78729316
While you're in? Sure. Doesn't teach you any fucking discipline once you get out though.
I know more degenerates that are Marines and former Navymen than I know drug addicts who became them by going out and getting a normal job.
Most people enlist on a whim when there is no war to fight and they have no other easily accesable funds.
Now, Officers on the other hand tend to be better people, they are better educated, non-degenerates and tend to come out of service contributing to society rather than taking from it like a fucking welfare queen.
>>78725901
Have you been through IFS yet?
>>78729552
I see. I tend to overestimate the average person.
>>78729552
t-thanks you too
>>78729806
>Have you been through IFS yet?
Yes.
I'm due for a promotion soon after a review. IFS was over a year ago though.
>>78715844
Our marine forces performed with extreme distinction in the first World War and the mythos developed itself from there.
>>78728718
>11FX
>as a lieutenant
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>78730606
Must've been a real circus show if they managed to develop a mythos in the 30 seconds they were in the war
>>78729122
>>78730353
>resign in a few years
>go through flight school
going through flight school adds like a 8-year commitment, at least that's what it was a few years back.
I was an Aviation officer and I had to do 6-years before I was able to resign.
>get cucked by an airmen who has muscles, intelligence, and a future
Your sleeping on the couch tonight, marine
>>78730606
Was it not WW2, especially in the Pacific?
>>78730790
It's what I'm progressing to bruh, Captain has subtly assured me it's what I"m doing.
Review is next week and I'm 100% certain I'm getting 1st Lieutenant unless I happen to get drunk over the weekend and shit on his truck - even then I'm sure I'll get the promotion anyway.
I'm just not looking forward to the fucking paperwork.
>>78730353
I have 10 years left. However, I've wanted to fly since I was a little boy so I'm sure it'll zoom on by like nothing.
>>78715844
Even non-Americans like myself know about the marines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy6Q8fJgo1s
They literally spend all day shooting heroin and shitposting on social media.
>>78731212
meant for
>>78730877
And to be clear I had 12 on my commitment when I started but I eat the mess food and I don't buy luxuries and I live like a poorfag under a bridge. Everything Is going into a Roth 401k until later on in my comission.
Nothing compared to the British Army desu.
We train you for crying out loud.
>>78716507
>NOT KNOWING THE BIRTHDAY OF THE MARINE CORPS
>>78727001
Marine corps 0-1 flight contract reporting in.
Yea but did you endure the shit of OCS or TBS? We can fly but when it comes down to it, Im first a provisional rifle platoon cmdr. Pilot 2nd.
>>78728262
Its hard to justify our battles right now and Im not very moto but still, the job is tough and somebody needs to do it. Just because we all agree that the job right now isnt achieving some higher goal, doesnt mean the job will stop being done
Marines are cannon fodder. We glorify them so that dumb retards will actually sign up to be put through a meat grinder.
>>78730877
>going through flight school adds like a 8-year commitmen
thats IF you hit the schools back to back and not counting the reserve req which is sizeable.
>>78719563
Why is my 0203 such an ass hole
t. Field Radio Operator
>>78715844
>just pissed off?
relax and kick it, move on if u gotta. lessons learned, sometimes space > problem
every marine is a rifleperson.
think about it.
>>78731212
It's a long road, and I know on the AF side you'll be pretty lucky if you get a fighter position. Most end up flying logistics missions, which isn't terrible but gets pretty fucking boring.
I went through aviation school on the Army side and deployed in 2012. Many stressful situations but the best experience of my life by far. It was the bullshit after the deployment that made me get out.
>>78715844
Because whether you like it or not the US Military for a better part of 30 years has been doing a good job of fucking up the entire Middle East and making Europe pay for it.
>>78726746
>army infantry
Literally air softer tier
>marines having more money for schools
Fucking lol, I've been to one comm class a PME and machine gun leaders course in 5 years, and I request everything
>>78732065
>tfw if I get 11X I'll probably end up doing more paper work and personell reviews than flying.
I want to fly god dammit not tell people they can do better at their jobs.
>>78731885
>not counting the reserve req which is sizeable.
No shit I'm basically on IRR till I'm 42.
marines probably spend most of their funding on commercials. they are tough guys no doubt, but it seems like these days the image of the marines is more important than anything to them. they get often get too much credit, but hey, the army doesn't care. they just want to do their job without getting sucked off by civilians constantly
>>78715984
>What's wrong with being proud of our pieces of disposable meat that would fight to the death rather than think?
fixed
>>78725060
Marines are always forward deployed and serve as a deterrent + they don't need senate approval for taking action. The army cant amphibiously deploy and hold something for a period of time , thats what the muhreens are for. Theyd hold whatever they have to until army came with more tanks,IFV's, artillery...
>>78732065
On a side note I did have lunch with some older dudes who are 11AX an they said it's actually pretty comfy. Guess that wouldn't be too bad I just worry that I won't like the feel of a bigger bird. Then again who knows I've never sat behind the yoke of a C-17 or a C-5
>>78732504
>end up doing more paper work and personell reviews than flying.
Everything in the military works in rotations, you'll have to do that shit eventually. Until you make COL, then you're that guy who gets to fly all the time.
>>78732959
Well I guess I'll get there eventually. in maybe 6 or so years.
>>78715844
The marines will literally take anyone. They're bottom tier grunts, but bottom tier grunts are an extremely important part of our military.
>>78726426
>98% white
>>78732701
this is what i mean. how ignorant are you about how things really work? the army rangers and airborne corps are all rapid deployment forces
>>78732752
It's comfy as fuck, you basically get treated like royalty, in a military sense. Pilots who flew C17s on deployment were among top priority for generals.
threa theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnlA2rCHJHY&ab_channel=Madnessman
good night
>>78733170
Not if you're fat, very weak, have a felony or have even the slightest medical issue, and you can only be so dumb to get in
>>78733352
The Bosnian is right here and you are not. It's the basis of the Banana Wars and the reason why there is no flag on the Marine uniform.
>>78728592
this is anecdotal, but all my black comrades were chill as fuck, and were all around good people. Some weirdos (think black weebs) but cool pt studs, and really authentic guys.
Ironically enough, being in the army made me somewhat less racist than I was before, since I met a lot of good black guys, when I thought they were all evil. There's still shitty nignogs, but whatever.
The common thread these guys all shared was that they were in my senior military college, so they were big on things like personal honor and shit.
USMC is not a special force, it's basically a department of the navy. Specifically it exists as a "force in readiness" that can be mobilized and deployed anywhere in the world very rapidly. The entire point is to be able to hold a position long enough for the army to catch up (since they're slowpokes in comparison). They're not a replacement for the army, just a complement.
The other main difference is that every Marine is a rifleman first and foremost, before any other MOS that he selects. That's not the case with army and other branches.
And USMC does have its own special forces (Force Recon).
Btw, ASVAB requirement is higher for USMC than army. That means the Corps gets to cherrypick and isn't necessarily stuck with the dumbest (so the old tyme "jarhead" moniker doesn't really apply as much). I'm not saying they're all brainiacs either. Then again, it depends on the MOS (each has its own requirements).
Also the Corps has other duties like guarding ships and embassies, but what I mentioned above is its main purpose.
Hope that clears things up. I'm american and was in during first gulf "war" (better times, the calm before the storm) so probably various things have changed, like whether or not women are allowed in grunt units, and if they're still allowed to sing the same colorful cadences during PT runs. Hell at this point, the recruits at Parris Island probably have their own safe spaces!
I'm a Marine infantryman myself. I honestly think the reason is due to the great marketing and awesome uniforms. And I honestly think we are just as good as Army Rangers, we did a training exercise up in Bridgeport California with them and kicked their fucking asses
>>78725901
>Chairforce
>posting from his air conditioned gay sex dungeon somewhere on the US
Trashcanistan too scawwy for you?
>>78732050
were all giant assholes
>>78734717
stop giving serious, correct answers :^(
>>78731830
>fascist
>opposing the military
??????????
>>78715844
I don't know why we're obsessed with Marines, but it feels good.
Btw, it's mostly shitbags who go around flaunting the EGA, because I do my best to seem like a normal civilian around civilians.
>>78715844
they're definitely not the best
but they have always been the loudest.
they are always assigned at the front
to absorb the attacks.
because they are just that "special".
There was a marine and a ranger in my platoon at jump school 21 years ago this week. They both did great. The ranger had a little bit of a more quiet confidence and greater physical endurance. The marine was good at faking it until it was real and was not one to quit. They seemed pretty typical in my experience.
>>78725901
>2nd Lieutenant
ROTC fag detected
>>78715844
Lowest skill branch, least technalogically advanced, most likely to literally be shot at and indeed shot or blown up. We don't draft anymore, so all Marines are there of their own free will. Marketing is a hell of a drug.
>>78737642
I don't oppose the military. I just oppose using citizens as a mere means to an end. I oppose the human wave / meat grinder strategy. It's disgusting and we should be better than that. Our citizens should be better than to accept that.
>>78716825
Delta force is an Army branch.
The motherfuckers that do the most say the least. Says enough about USMC/SEALS.
I'm going into the Marines as soon as I reach the physical requirements (I'm functionally scrawny) because my father figure was a Marine although I've been told the Air Force and/or Navy would be better for me mentally (I'm slightly smarter than average in a town with few genuinely smart people).
A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.
-Napoleon Bonaparte
>we tell them they are oh so big and tough and in exchange they fight and kill people for us
Don't shit on the people doing things for you.
>>78715844
They are stupid civilians who have never even considered joining any branch of the military
The marines aren't nearly what they are cracked up to be.
They are just an amphibious offshoot of the navy, who live every other branch, can't do jack shit without the other branches
>>78715844
>Why are Americans so obsessed with Marines?
Marines are all the high school football jocks who couldn't get into college.
They are loud and dumb, which is why they are used as cannon fodder to protect our legitimate military forces
Girls like to play dress up, Marines spend more time than most US military branches on their uniforms, so girls like that sort of shit.
Also, Most of my US buddies who are/were Marines are actual homosexuals.
