seize the means of production
do it
now
fuck off
>>78668362
communism is a great idea but it will never work
fuck off
>>78669699
which makes it a stupid and dangerous idea
>>78669699
It's a terrible idea, if you think any part of it is great you're a fucking moron.
>>78669699
Yes goyim give all the power to the government nothing will go wrong.
It was a dumbass idea from minute one.
>>78669581
seize the means of poo-duction
that would truly be a revolution in india
>>78669904
>wipes ass with hand
>>78668362
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SUWK_pWrbw
>>78669879
their is no government in a communist state, dumb fuck
>>78669997
Vemezuela is capitalist
>>78670092
fuck off nobody likes argentina except argentina
"mises was right"
>>78670162
Irish is capitalist
>>78670072
There is literally no way to take power from the government after it seizes everything from education to production.
>>78670072
>i have no idea what the difference between anarchy and communism is
>>78670252
yes
>>78670260
you are thinken of socialism
socialism is just one of the many dialecretical ways of reaching communism which is the real gol
>>78670297
communism is a type of anarchy, aso greek is capitalist
>>78670297
it's true tho, there is no government in communism friend
maybe you should read more
>>78670430
It is impossible to transition from socialism to communism or anarchy or smaller government because you can't take power from the government after they control everything. Especially since you NEED them to control almost everything to have socialism.
If you want anarchy, vote for LESS government, you moron.
>>78670576
>>78670430
I guess you can call the men who take your house and posessions and make you a starving slave "no government"
>>78670707
Yes, I can actually call them "banks" instead :^)
>>78670430
Socialism is just softcore communism which over time will inevitably transition into full communism
>>78670696
less government breeds fascism, old people need their entitlements until we can figure out a way for everyone to get along (ideally through massive reducation programs), and then you can have communism
>>78670707
their is a difference between private property and the means of production
private property is ok and can be had in communism
>>78670072
wew this post is great my white argentinian friend
>>78670226
>>78670796
Better pay those debnts next time friend.
Or not vote for politicians who regulate for the banks and centralize power.
>>78670884
turkey is a capitalist state
>>78670977
OKAY
>>78670967
there are only two types of governments
those who care about regiular people
and thos e who are in the cahoots with the financial elitees
if you think the ones who are in the cahoots with the financial elites care about you, toughluck, they think you are shit
>>78668362
>>78670858
>private property is ok and can be had in communism
Rich people are capitalist burgoise scum.
You don't decide your needs, stop being GREEDY.
Why do you need a bed while all your comrades are sleeping on the floor?
Your bed belongs to the people now.
>>78669879
>strawman
The ideals of communism are great.
Using government force and guns to make everyone in a country do what you want against their will is always bad and immoral.
If your communist policies are so great get people to follow them voluntarily.
hey marx
if I own a company does that mean I own the means of production?
and what if anyone can start their own company?
>>78670858
>private property is ok and can be had in communism
That contradicts communism itself
>>78671055
I sure hope you can eat and survive on PURE GOVERNMENT FEELINGS
>>78668362
>>78668362
>>78670967
It's one or another, there is no third option.
And because you might have some misconceptions about socialism.
socialist state =/= capitalist state
There is no government in communism, nor nor does abolition of property mean your house would be taken.
Read more.
>>78671088
communism was never about abolishing private property, it is about abolishing private ownership of the means of production, such as fabrics and steeleries
>>78668362
Fuck off Marx, I already said no.
>>78671165
no, read >>78671251
>>78670807
Is that a slippery slope I see?
>When you realize that global communism is almost in effect since the people in the industry are the people who control the government
>>78671129
private individuals cannot own companies
they are owned by the workers of each company in shares according to their capacity
>>78668362
You'd better seize the money printer first.
They will just create new money and buy lawmakers, even if "the workers" own the means of production.
>>78669990
holy shit i fucking kekd my ass off
>>78671318
a global government is neoliberal for all purposes
their goal is to make serfdom and break the individual
>>78671226
Epic strawman
>>78671319
what if you have no employees
>>78668362
But, I have means of production...
Fuck off commie, I also have guns
>>78671399
well, that's an exception
but if someone helped you, they would be entitled to a fair share
>>78671251
>>78671240
>tfw you realize theory isn't important when history proves you wrong
Communism hates privary property because only greedy, power hungry and populist scum can lead such a movement.
I don't see you moving to a socialist country faggot, what for?
Oh right, that system is shit, cannot be applied to reality and has been proven to be inferior to capitalism.
>>78671226
the means of production weren't seized in venezuela
waht teh fuck am i reading
there are plenty of businessmen class
>>78671380
Yet it's the libertarians that oppose globalisation and the leftist cucks like you who voted REMAIN in the UK.
Because you are ALWAYS the useful idiots.
>>78671480
>I don't see you moving to a socialist country
ehem, i was in one until a few months ago
because greek capitalism sure is working right
>>78671570
that's not true
old labour voted LEAVE
half of the conservatives wanted to remain
>>78671599
>greek capitalism
kek, go on, describe it
>>78671240
It is impossible to go from gigantic government to no government. In fact, it is in every government's best interest NOT to even ATTEMPT to fix anything or reach the "communism heaven" because if they did they would lose power.
Again, this doesn't answer the biggest questions:
>How do you take the "means of production" without creating a massive central government agency of force
>How do you end that massive central government agency of force because they have all the guns
>>78671461
is wage compensation not a fair share?
>>78671661
sure, the capitalist elites (i.e.: those who have the capital, the money, the financial means) own all your politicians, make them loan money against the interest of the nation, make you lose labor rights, there is unemployment and lower wages, because this is the road to serfdom
>>78668362
how come you find the time to shitpost this exact same thread but never bother to participate?
the answer is because your marx a shit
>>78671690
no, it should be an according % of the profit
If communism works, how come Soviet Union collapsed and you have to attend in a finnish university?
Seize the memes of production
>>78671914
communism doesn't work
>>78671914
because it wasn't communist, it waqs socialist
it failed because it dependd to much on oil and it was crash
>>78672033
bahahahahaha
>>78672084
learn some history please, please
open a booak
You mean start my own company? I will do it one day
>>78672033
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaa
>>78671764
The capitalists are using the GOVERNMENT that you idiot socialists like, to exploit you and you want MORE GOVERNMENT?
Isn't this like saying there's a murderous sociopath shooting gays with a handgun in this building and the best way to fix it is to arm him and another sociopath with a machine gun?
Karl Marx please leave /pol/ alone. Go haunt the real enemies of communism. Pls stop haunting us
>>78671764
You realize that our bankruptcy was predicted by the IMF (ie the elites) we were told to restructure our model and in 2001, the greek people made one of the biggest rallies in history opposing any kind of spending cuts right?
A million people ASKED our politicians to get loans and let cronies GIFF FREE monies because muh socialism muh benefits
We were running for 10 years with a -10% deficit and the EU cucks just loaned us more money in favor of liquidity and other leftist and Keyne's theory bullshit.
This isn't an elite conspiracy. Greek economy was destroyed CONSCIOUSLY by people who didn't and don't know how capitalism works.
We have the 44th least free economy in Europe.
Free economy and pure capitalism my ass.
Greece was a perfect example of socialism and crony capitalism poison overtaking a nation.
>>78672033
Name one communism country
>>78671118
>>78671297
>>78671387
Cool argument
>>78671815
why a % of profit?
how can the company grow if the workers earn expense wages and portions of the profit?
>>78672203
Economic Freedom Index is a bad meme
>>78672305
because it's fair
because a % goes to you, a % goes to him, and a % is saved for company-exclusive-use
>>78671685
>It is impossible to go from gigantic government to no government
That's why the transition is meant to happen gradually.
Anyway, read The State and Revolution, it's pretty good and will help you answer these questions.
>>78671480
>I don't see you moving to a socialist country faggot, what for?
Feels good ruining yours mate, I ain't trading that for anything.
>>78668362
No.
This is better: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_(Ayn_Rand)#Politics:_individual_rights_and_capitalism
>>78672415
she was a kike
>>78672351
It isn't fair if that model isn't working and everybody starves because you remove both the motive and the tools required to calculate production efficiency.
>>78672203
hehe sure thing
the politicians were totally moved by the demonstrations of the people... and not by the millions of dollars being funneled into theirpockets by the financial elites, hehe
>>78672485
No motives and tools are removed, because there's still profit to make, it's just distributed more evenly
>>78672351
you are aware that profit is an accounting number i.e. it can be whatever the owners want it to be
arbitrary decisions on what is and what isn't fair lead to an authoritarian society devoid of reason, competition and incentive
>>78668362
>mfw I was young I was an avid supporter of communism while my peers feared it
>mfw I slowly swayed away from communism when I see the reality while my peers start to adore it
Am I a hipster?
>>78672720
>arbitrary decisions on what is and what isn't fair lead to an authoritarian society devoid of reason, competition and incentive
which one?
>>78672363
The transition will never start at all, it is in the government's best interest not to reach the point of transition, not to fix anything and always keep things broken to say "okay this is still broken, we still need to have a government", etc etc. Additionally, they will control the media, the press, schools, etc to teach people that we still need governments. Your "transition" relies on the whims of the government saying that they've had their fill of your money(never happens).
>>78672731
Nah
>>78672124
>>78672033
>>78671764
>>78671815
>>78671461
Who did you vote for in the previous elections friend?
>>78672731
no you're just not permanently handicapped
>>78672916
Macri
>>78671947
ŠŖŃaŃŃe ŠŠ·Šŗ ŃŃŃŃŃ
>>78672676
Read "socialist calculation profit"
When you remove currency, you have no idea how efficient your production methods are.
>>78672629
The elites give money to politicians to regulate the market for them because people think regulation is FAIR.
If citizens didn't vote for regulation and centralisation, the elites would have no use for politicians.
People vote for big governments because they think it's in their interest, while the elites fund these governments.
It's a 3-way system.
>>78672939
On the first round too? Even PASO?
>>78672807
Communism.
>>78672807
ex-Yugoslavia, for instance
we are still feeling the latent effects of retardedness and the persistant infection of commie mental virus
it'll take a whole generation to do away with the damage done to the national body
>>78673000
I wanted dumb new middle class shits to see with their own eyes what neolibrelism is about
Macri is guaranteeing 30 years of populism with his retarded policy
>>78672983
who talked about removing currency?
>The elites give money to politicians to regulate the market for them because people think regulation is FAIR.
read the bullshit you are spewing
>elites do something because people want it
ITT : Argentinians discussing their shitty election.
>>78673021
yugoslavia went to shit because too many cultures for 1 government
>>78668362
seize the means of production
Btw if this is who I think it is, he's obsessively forcing left-wing views on Ylilauta with the name "Sosiaalinen Mafia"
His name is Ilya Zaytzev (of Russian background) and he's also a faggot, having admitted on Ylis that he has taken "it" once in the ass and given two blowjobs. Pic related
>>78673160
>elites do something because people want it
The whole founding tenet of communism is to have elites that do something because people want it in a government, you museum-grade moron.
>>78668362
>>78673448
You are talking about socialism
learn the definitions already pls
>>78673224
any more firsthand insights on my ex-country? I bet you know more than I ever could
argentinian intellectuals like yourself will surely lead the country into a future so bright you'll all go blind
>>78673508
>Yugoslavian history is some dark knowledge that can only be known to the initiated
>>78673497
Socialism can't transition to communism. For all intents and purposes, a call to communism is a call to socialism.
>>78669699
This stupid "communism sounds good on paper" meme needs to die. How the FUCK does communism sound good on paper? How does the image of your possessions and property be involuntarily taken away from you by a mob or government officials sound good? How does knowing you must be equal to everyone else sound good?
>>78673623
>Socialism can't transition to communism
as a dictatorship, true
but populism can, the more decentralizaiton and the more democratization, the closer to communism
>>78673705
>How does the image of your possessions and property be involuntarily taken away from you by a mob or government officials sound good? How does knowing you must be equal to everyone else sound good?
None of your premises is true btw
Communism does not involve property being taken away from you (unless you are the 0.0001% that owns the means of production)
It doesn't make everyone equal, it just makes people receive their fair share
How is it fair that an engineer earns 100 times less than some random moron that inherited a trust fund?
>>78673808
Are implying that random moron's trust fund money should be taken and redistributed down to the masses?
>>78673808
Why would anyone create a big fortune if they can't pass it on to their families?
>>78673808
why aren't you living in the Venezuelan utopia then? I heard that everything is nationalized there and that they are practicing the purest form of marxism ever
>>78674273
Because it isn't true communism yet
>>78673808
Give me ONE reason why governments would give back any of the money they take from "redistributing" or to give more than a few table scraps to pretend like they're doing anything.
>>78668362
You mean, likeā¦
>North Korea
>China w/ Mao
>USSR w/ Stalin
>Cambodia w/ Pol Pot
>Venezuela w/ Chavez
>Cuba w/ Castro
>Vietnam w/ Viet Minhs
>Eastern Europe during Cold War
Yea, it seems to work, definitely. If you kill all of your opponents and establish a dictatorship.
>>78674328
it never is, is there?
>those goddamn oil prices are to blame
>those foreign capitalist enemies
>the weak-willed domestic enemies who sell their souls to clandestine agencies from abroad
meanwhile I'm legitimately concerned about millions of helpless people, they used to be one of the greatest economies in the world after WW2 and look at them now
Sad!
>>78674328
Guess what: people don't want true communism because you are expected to give something in return for someone else's effort.
>>78668362
We already have it it's called capitalism
>>78672162
>>78672084
>>78674374
>DPRK
Juche
>Mao's China
>USSR under Stalin
>Cuba
>Vietnam
Both formerly poor and rural countries that hadn't reached the stage of capitalism necessary for revolution. They had to depart from industrial socialism to a large degree.
>Chavez's Venezuela
Mixed economy.
>Eastern Europe
Probably the most legitimate example.
>>78674697
>not expecting global economic trends concerning valuable resources in non-diverse economies to have an impact
>implying there isn't foreign subversion
Learn your Cold War history.
This is at least the third day you've posted this
Fuck off
do it
now
>>78668362
Too late, we already seized the memes of production.
>>78677523
>Mixed economy.
You can fuck RIGHT off
>>78671226
kek beautiful
