Why do millennials have such low respect for their elders? Is it because the majority are entitled baby boomers, or are millennials immature, blaming their problems on those older than them?
There's been a lot of shitflinging on social media since the UK voted to leave the EU, with liberals and other detritus claiming that old racists are ruining the country.
Perhaps it's a cultural problem? I've heard that in east Asia, elders are revered and you're legally required to care for them. Is the west's culture at fault for elders not being respected, or is it something else at work?
>>78495016
Yeah its pretty grim. If anyone shouldn't get the vote it is non taxing paying university age people.
I often hear on the BBC 'old, pale and male' as a derogatory
>>78495614
That IS an insult. Fuck men. With all their inventions and innovations to technology and all of humanity with the exception of popping out kids/
>>78495016
>Is it because the majority are entitled baby boomers
Yes. Remember this is the generation that popularized the "when you're 18 you're out the door" meme even after the job market dried up.
Just another devaluation of identity, culture and anything right and good fed to them. Older folks can be wise and have a lot of insight. They remember a time when it wasn't all chicks with dicks.
>>78495016
"SPIT ON YOUR ELDERS!"
~ Ghost (true capitalist radio)
They have destroyed our country and betrayed our ancestors.
I have no respect for my elders.
Elders have raised this generation, and despite knowing better still mostly go along with the communist propaganda.
I spit on elders *pttbh*!
German leftists are already crying that old people should be killed and lose their rights to vote.
Is this "only old people voted for brexit" meme based on any fact? Because I see liberals repeat it for the entire day now, but I thought britain doesnt do exit polls?
>>78495016
>Why do millennials have such low respect for their elders?
BECAUSE THEY GOT EVERYTHING FOR FREE AND THEY BLAME ALL THEIR PROBLEMS ON SOMEBODY ELSE
>>78495614
The irony is that the demographic is split at the age of 25. That's when the majority began to vote leave. By their definition, 25 is old pale and male.
Just more MSM bants to give toddlers with no grasp in politics 'reasons' and further carry on with what they are trying to salvage.
>>78497602
I don't know if they did exit polls, but I've seen news sites reporting voting demographics, so i imagine they know somehow.
>>78497602
>Is it based on any fact?
No. Just more divisiveness and a moral outing for morons who don't know any better.
>>78495016
It's cultural marxist shit, plain and simple
Tonight my step mom my dad and my step sister were watching TV.
My dad wanted to put a movie on but my step mom said he should go upstairs becuase her daughter wanted to watch TV.
Then I interjected and said I wanted to watch a movie with my dad, what am i gonna do go downstairs and hang out by my self. So my step sister went up stairs to be defeated by the eldest son.
Anyway my dad went upstairs about 10 minutes later and it was me and my step mom
I asked her why she thought what her daughter wanted to do was more important than what my Dad wanted. She said it was because she was watching tv first and that we interrupted her.
But she been watching TV all day so of course when my dad who came home from work supporting his half of the household so my step sister can go to university watnts to watch tv its more important that her daughter gets it.,
anyway the only reason this is, is because ,my step sister gets her way with her mom by acting upset and my step mom doesnt want her to get upset and annoyed
its just fucked
nobody respects their elders... i told my step mom and example of my grandfather who stormed d day being kicked off his tv because the youngest of his 8 kids wanted to watch cartoons
she didn't even get it
the only good generation was the great generation who fought ww2, all other generations except the demographic of milenials who voulenteered for the war in the middle east are shit and should be never listened to and always ignored
>>78495016
21 should be voting age and that's minimum I would go as far as saying 25 the young are so disrespectful don't they realize the old generation who are voting leave today voted to be in the EU 40 years ago of course they knew what they were doing.
There's nothing wrong with hating baby boomers, but Millenials are equally retarded and without the experience boomers have in their age
What was the voting age for the referendum?
>>78497602
Leftists are against the hard working people that built their country and got abused by big corp? Really shows how they always choose victim demographic to stay on moral highground
The question that terrifies me is: what will happen when the elderly die out and we are left with baby boomers and millenials....
Just popped down to reddit to survey the damage and shitshow the liberals there are having, and unsurprisingly, it's all drivel.
>>78498860
when the UK will actually leave the EU, half of the 'leave'-voters will already have died
>>78499031
Just seeing all the Brexit threads on /pol/ this morning with leftists shitting their pants, I have no idea how you people find the energy to give half a tossing shit what every 16 year old in the world has to say.
I guess you could only do it if you find it gut busting hilarious.
>>78497068
My dad is cool and lets me live with him while I study.
My mate got kicked out at 18, so did his siblings. His brothers died and his sisters married losers to rent forever.
But they're all 'independent' so that's good....
>>78499458
i do indeed
last one i've got
>>78499549
Well, have a time. Sometimes I find it funny, but mostly it's sickening. These are things that would have been written in shitty little diaries a few decades ago and subsequently burned when they grew up and hopefully realized how warped their views were, and how nothing they predicted actually happened, and how their feelings were misguided. Now it's taken as a matter of consensus on a forum which ridicules anyone who uses a tripcode. Yet all day it's fucking threads of screencaps from *literallywho's*.
It's tiresome but I'll leave you to it.
>>78497602
65+ and 50-64 votes with 33% and 35% remain. Sincerely, fuck old people useless fucking drags
Millennial here. It's the degradation of the family that's at fault. Generations have no investment in each other and no respect for one another, and people see themselves as individuals to the exclusion of being kin.
>Perhaps it's a cultural problem? I've heard that in east Asia, elders are revered and you're legally required to care for them.
This is a noteworthy point. Being bound to care for your elders goes hand-in-hand, however, with your elders being involved in your life and supporting you even as an adult. Mom and dad have a kid. The kid grows up and has his own kids, and mom and dad become grandparents. Grandma and/or grandpa help raise the youngest generation just as they helped raise their own children, and in return, their children help to care for them when they grow old and infirm. All of this likely happens under the same roof, and nobody sees any shame in that. Hell, maybe the mortgage eventually gets paid off.
Here, we mostly don't do it like that. Mom and dad consider you a parasite and not their own flesh and blood. When you turn eighteen, they throw you out to make it on your own and split the rent with 5 roommates you hate to live in a roach-infested crackhouse. Even if this doesn't happen and your parents still support you, it's likely just through tuition as you go to college far away from them. It's shameful to live with your parents. You're expected to get your own place, and you never wind up paying it off, if you're not just renting. Mom and dad also never pay off the mortgage on their house. When mom and dad get old, they either retire (far the fuck away from you) or they get put in a home. Their grandkids visit them once a year.
The very fact that parents WANT their kids to leave is indicative of a problem. These are probably parents who worked while their kids were at school, had the TV or computer babysit their kids, hated them for always looking at the screen, and relished in all the "me-time" they could get.
>>78502992
GRANTED, this isn't just me saying that our parents are at fault. They're victims of this crap as much as anybody else. What I'm saying is that, at some point, society fell for a meme-I don't know what it was-that made them less tight-knit, and that destroyed a chain that can't easily be rebuilt.
We were raised by our teachers, our friends, and the damned media. Unless we were lucky and had one childhood friend that stuck with us throughout the years, none of those were constants we could bond with. The media heads were rotated out, as were our teachers and our friends as we progressed through the years. And even if our friends in school didn manage to become a sort of surrogate family, we all went home to different houses at the end of the day and dispersed at the end of high school to go to college. Is it any wonder that we think the only person who can understand, help, or give a fuck about ME is ME? I have, after all, been the only constant.
We grew up in an era when it was abnormal to run into somebody with two parents and siblings and no dysfunction. Divorce rates are way up, and the family unit is something that constantly reveals itself to be full of flaws and full of shit. Why respect mom and dad when each one says that the other is full of shit and they're both clearly self-interested? We grew up in an era when neighbors didn't talk to each other and fucking hugs were inappropriate displays of affection. We grew up in an era when every authority figure we encountered was dishonest, self-interested to the point of not caring about us, and soon to be swapped out for another one.
There is no respect where there is no affection, investment, or constancy.
>>78502992
>>78504791
Pretty much this. Plus the concept of the 'family unit' is almost non-existent. I'm only 27, but I can't even think of a marriage off the top of my head, both from the previous generation, or my own from friends, that has actually lasted. Every single one of them, including my own parents, resulted in divorce and typically single parenting where the actual 'raising' of the kid is completely delegated to daycares, then schools and video games until they reach adulthood because the parent can't or won't be a part of the kid's life in anything other than the financial sense.
It's probably what will see places like the US crashing down within the next hundred years tops because it's the sort of problem that only gets worse with every following generation brought up that way. An entire generation of kids from the 80's onwards that were taught little to nothing by their parents, had little interaction with them, and were shoved out the door at the earliest opportunity
>>78504791
I don't know who benefits from this, but I do think it's deliberate. There's an agenda to have every last person in the country consider himself or herself an individual apart from the rest of society and apart from their families and communities. I think this whole "identity" thing is part of that. We're easier to manage as a thousand motes of dust than as a solid mass, and this system keeps us from passing progress too much between generations.
Sorry for rambling, but I don't really think it's a problem with us as people, or with the Boomers or whatever. Neither of our generations is any more or less noble than the other, or than any other one. We just don't have the systems in place that are supposed to improve us.
I doubt anybody will read this with the Brexit happening, but I wanted to give you an honest and thougghtful response, OP.
>>78499457
>As a 17 year old
>Please take me seriously guys
tippity toppity kek
>>78495016
You are a special kind of retarded, aren't you?
Respect towards elders is attained through education and discipline. If you see your parents treating your grand-parents like shit, spending money left and right on useless products, pampering and being extremely over-protective about their child and having very loose concept of "savings", or if, god forbid, your dad catches mum cheating with some other dude and makes a scene of it, along the lines of "COME HERE LITTLE TIMMY, LET ME SHOW YOU WHY YOUR MOTHER IS A WHORE", then it will not be surprising at all when his kid grows up to be a snobbish, egocentric cunt. It's not politics fault, it's not governments fault, the blame is exclusively on the parents.
Don't make it political or cultural, it's a fucking kettle and pot argument.
>>78495016
>blaming their problems on those older than them?
they are partially correct, considering those elders are the rulers, recieved a much better world and are leaving us a shittier one
>>78495016
Do you respect an asshole?
I don't.
Doesn't matter what their age is. If an old shit is acting like an asshole, I treat them like they're acting like an asshole. I give them the same respect I give anybody, no fucks to give if they're 12 years old and shitposting on /pol/ or 75 years old and fucking their grandchildren over because they're bitter about being old.
Equal treatment, no prejudice or bigotry. Exactly how they told me I'm supposed to live my life. If they regret teaching me to grow up that way ... too fucking bad. Earn my respect by not acting like an asshole.
>>78495016
Millennials are fucking retards.
t. Millennial
>>78505699
I mean, I disagree with the point (elders are supposed to be invested in the next generation, so we ought to listen to them and their experiences), but age has nothing to do with it. 17-year-olds can say intelligent and perceptive things. Nine-year-olds can say intelligent and perceptive things. It's a problem when the young thing the old are universally out-of-touch and the old think the young are universally naive and stupid. Generations SHOULD take each other seriously.
>>78505699
How did this happen, though? I disagree with the "millennials are all shit" meme (we're not), but there has to be something to it for it to be so popular. WHY is the dysfunction so widespread? What happened, if it even is just one thing?
>>78505649
>I can't even think of a marriage off the top of my head, both from the previous generation, or my own from friends, that has actually lasted. Every single one of them, including my own parents, resulted in divorce and typically single parenting where the actual 'raising' of the kid is completely delegated to daycares, then schools and video games until they reach adulthood because the parent can't or won't be a part of the kid's life in anything other than the financial sense.
Fucking THIS. And you want to know something funny? When family exists, it's fine for one nuclear family to fall apart, because the kid can be raised by an aunt or an uncle, alongside cousins who were already as close as siblings to them, and not have a completely shitty and cynical outcome. Somehow, we've managed to destroy even that possibility. It's like society as an organism has been cut up into smaller and smaller parts, and now only the individual remains.
>>78506466
Well yeah, the world we're inheriting is a dystopian nightmare, but still.
>>78507118
Whoops. Meant to reply to
>>78505432
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>>78506946
We don't have to look down and apologize for being so, so entitled and narcissistic and lazy and awful, dude. We're not any of those things, even as a group. We have our flaws, and we have redeeming qualities, just like any other group of people.
>>78506766
This is a good philosophy on paper, and I think it's the virtue of anonymous dialogue. That said, I don't think we can boil down the previous generations to "assholes."
>>78504791
>>78505432
>>78505649
>Destruction of the family
>Single motherhood and absentee fathers becoming normalized
>Removal of religion as a legitimate moral authority
>Glorifying status seeking, hedonism and materialism
>Encouaging dependance on the state
Oh, so they're turning us into niggers.
>>78506766
>tfw I respect some pornstars assholes
>tfw I have no face
>>78495016
they are retarded
growing up without google to answer all their questions has left them really fucking stupid
I was born in '84. Does that make me a cool Gen X'er or a faggot Gen Y/Millennial?
>>78495016
>I've heard that in east Asia, elders are revered and you're legally required to care for them.
Asian here.
It's true, we do have laws like that.
But remember who put those laws there? Old people did.
Want to guess why?
>>78507909
Honestly? Yeah, dude. I think the "black community" suffered from all of the things I outlined and went through the same process a few decades before white America did. It was like the opposite of the Huxtable effect, but on a whole 'nother level. Not sure how much was the media, how much of it was deliberate, how much of it could be attributed to racial dynamics, or what, but it fucking happened, and it's happening to the rest of us now, too.
I suspect that part of it is deliberate and a result of non-segregated schooling, though.
>"The negroes are going to be going to the same schools as white kids?! Fuck EVERYBODY, then! We'll make the whole system shit. You can all be niggers. We'll take our kids to private school."
I'm not even sure that was coherent at this point in the night, but I'm trying.
>>78509130
I don't follow. Are you saying that ready access to shallow information and trivia has fucked up our ability to think critically and really question things?
>>78509501
A millennial. You're a faggot either way, though.
>>78495016
because respect must be earned and can be lost, and most elders don't deserve respect when they behave like they're still 20
>>78495016
The world is changing too fast for them to keep up, so they become useless, on all accounts. Experience does not matter if you have only adapted to live in 60-90s.
>>78509697
A combination of their own parasitic self-interest, the feeling of it being owed to them, and the misapplication of ancient Confuscian values systems without any real comprehension of what those values really entail?
>>78510719
At some point, one of these generations is going to have to be worthy of respect without an example. Maybe it can be us.
>>78511006
There are universal experiences the value of which has carried over.
>>78511301
>At some point, one of these generations is going to have to be worthy of respect without an example.
But we have examples. They're just not living anymore
>>78512292
Good point. And of course, some of us as individuals have examples in our lives. I just mean as a generation.
Still, the media's not going to push a "love your family and put them first" narrative. It probably won't sell as well as the "you're a celebrity, buy useless crap to define yourself with expensive props" narrative.
>respecting baby boomers
Fuck off, my dude. I'll respect the people that deserve it.
>>78507118
I'm a millennial and I think most of us are retarded.
Most of us grew up with everything we wanted and so we have this massive sense of entitlement that the world owes us and everyone else something without having to work for it.
>>78513421
I'm not gonna lie; part of what makes me disagree with you is the fact that you're speaking pretty much the EXACT narrative that political commentaries aimed at Boomers and their own prejudices tend to speak. It's a prejudice of my own.
That said, maybe it's different in the Netherlands. Still, I'd argue that most of us here in the US didn't grew up with what we really want. We grew up with an endless supply of what we were told we wanted and what produces distraction and the release of dopamine, but there is definitely a fucking hole in most of us, and it shows.
>>78513413
You won't be doing that by writing off an entire generation. Merit is largely individual.
>>78511301
Agreed, but what about shekels?
Also, the media/companies pander to the young because they are the easiest to influence.
You worry too much. Just live in the moment. #YOLO
>>78514031
It's basically the same. Maybe we want something else, but as kids if millennials asked their parents for something they got it. Now millennials want bigger things that the parents finally say "no", so now millennials are freaking out.
It doesn't help that our societies have this meme that everyone is completely equal, that all cultures can work together. Millennials "travel" and they see different cultures and they think they understand them all.
That deep down we are all fundamentally the same, and that the only reason for demanding integration, or limits on immigration is racism.
They don't understand that some cultures are fundamentally so different from our own, that having a large number of these people in our country will increase tension dramatically. Similarly, because they were never told no, they don't understand that a country cannot simply take in boat loads of non-working people and support them without any economic consequences.
We already have housing shortages, and homeless people, and people who can't afford food. Why shouldn't we take care of our own before we take care of others?
>>78514031
I think it's pretty hard to completely ignore the economical and cultural aspects of a certain generation and the influence it had in shaping the next one. While it's obvious that not all boomers are shit people, I think it's undeniable that most of them grew up in a state of selfishness, carelessness and narcissism, heavily molded by the sudden economic growth and the strengthening of individualistic ideologies, which is pretty much what they passed on to millenials.
>>78495016
Yeah hold on let me just respect some boomers for their contribution to society while I toil to get by.
fuck elders i dont have to kiss up to your wrinkly ass just because you are ancient. I wont expect any special treatment either when im a prune
>>78495016
>ruin the environment
>ruin the economy
>ruin the nhs
>won't hurry up and fucking die already
hmm i wonder
Me grandpa's rascist lol
>>78495016
Respecting someone entirely based on their age makes absolutely no sense.
>>78497786
25 is the age when people start to grow up.
>>78507118
>we're inheriting is a dystopian nightmare, but still.
memes aside, in a lot of ways it's worse
I don't care if a poorfag can buy a last generation cellphone, human values went to shit
>>78495016
Mine all destroyed my life, and made fun of me for it. Literally overgrown manchildren, (((christian))), retards addicted to jewish propaganda.
>>78495016
Because the Marxists have taught them to hate the people who fought Communism, ie. their elders.
>gets high paying job in 1970 with no work experience or qualifications
>eventually become boss in 1980
>decide everyone needs at least 70 years work experience before joining company, but they must also be <25 so you can justify their shit wage
>low paid workers earning you millions
>buy all of the flats and houses they are renting, bump the price up by 20% then re-rent it to them
>see young couple, probably 21 years old, checking out a fairly cheap, newly built house for sale
>immediately barge in and constantly over 10% more than what they can afford
>win property auction
>rent it back to the family for 80% of their savings, tell them they can buy it but it will now cost 50% more than was it was bought for because of inflation
>start importing pakis by the dozen, you can put 20 of them in the 1 bedroom flat you just bought and charge the council 1000gbp/month for each paki
>do this for another 20 years
>have kids
>suddenly kids cant afford houses, pakis everywhere getting free housing
>no cheap properties, so greedy that you still buy up any fairly priced houses so you can pay for your new bentley
>kids complain about housing market, the massive population of pakis who get their extortionate rents paid for, the shit education system
>blame pakis for high housing costs, vote brexit
this is essentially what my parents did, they still blame the rising house prices on immigrants and not on the fact they own 6 properties between them which has made them millions of gbps in rents because they bought them when houses were still affordable.
>>78505649
It's all due to the Prussian education model. Public school was engineered to disintegrate the family. Kindergarten is literally there to get you to trust the state as a mother figure. Disenfranchised serfs make good meat puppets.
>>78518856
Pretty much
>>78518856
Meh.
If you parents hadn't bought them the Saudis would have.
Why does being an elder mean I should have to respect you or your views. I judge merit of actons and experience over anything else. And age doesn't necessarily mean experience.
