The Alt-right as a recognised collection of political ideals didn't exist until the last five years and largely emerged as a result of socially alienated and incompetent teenagers taking /pol/'s banter and shitposting seriously and adopting a satire routine as an earnest ideology, proceeding to spread this Wish-washy Idealistic Neo-traditionalist rhetoric all over the internet, smearing shit on forums around the world.
Discuss
>>78333952
Did Ben Garrison draw this?
While some of the alt-right is composed of edgy highschoolers, it's #notallaltrighters.
>>78333952
>implying it's banter and shitposting
>>78336104
Trump will lose and Britain will remain
alt-right is a shit term
It's just not "neo-con" shit; as if that was ever "right" in the first place
>>78333952
it's true
>we are le ebin nazis
>spokesmen are all gay jews
>>78337942
You're all liberals anyways
It's true.
if you support "Free speech on the Internet" rather than oppose the Internet as a whole and realize that its very existence is liberalizing and anti-traditional, you are NOT a real conservative.
Sorry but "muh 4chan freedumbs" is just a radical leftist view, and you're not even aware of it. A real traditionalist would find the very idea of 4chan and anonymous forums disgusting. Egalitarianism at its worst.
I have nudes of an alt-righter famous from Twitter :^]
>MUH conservatism
>>78333952
Xenophobic nationalists fueled by violent rhetoric?
It's existed for a hell of a lot longer than five years.
>>78338216
And if they didn't spew the same shit as you you'd be calling for them to die
>>78338971
Then how would you describe it
>>78338971
>>78339876
Alt right stuff isn't really all that different from conservatism and fascism, which are cut from the same cloth. Much of it is restated metaphysics and admiration for Heidegger, Guenon, and Evola in particular, a call for empire (versus nationhood) and as a result of the last point, monarchies and an emperor uniting the monarchies. It's largely an attempt to use ethnic mythology and the religions associated with it as a basis for common ground in such an empire. It has less a concern for concrete, economic issues, save for its distaste for anything Liberal.
>>78339269
/pol/ is divided between compromising cucks and actual right wingers, who always wanted people like Milo dead
/pol/ didn't create it. These feelings of resentment were generated naturally by an unnatural world. /pol/ just happened to be there to say 'fuck you' first while riding a giant frog and shooting a rifle from its back at some social justice warlords.
>>78340157
"alt right" is just people who got a tiny taste of the real right you describe but can't fully swallow it and default back to nationalism , libertarianism or "classical" liberalism . Thing is the left puts this new wave of Milo faggots in the same group as actual far-rightists when these two groups oppose each other on almost every issue (even Nationalism)
>>78340355
lol you're living in idealistic fantasyland cuckboi
Stay deluded
The alt right doesn't exist. We are the current counter culture to rabid leftism, just like nazism was a direct response to communism
Don't try to over analyze things
>>78340542
I can't tell where you actually stand on this
are you a traditionalist like >>78340157
describes, or a liberal yourself?
>>78340622
>The alt right doesn't exist
U wot m8? There isn't even a unified mass leftist movement at the moment
>>78339051
>anything that doesn't preach complete inclusiveness and tolerance of people who hate you = violent rhetoric
It's sad, but the truth is people have become so polarized about politics that they instantly think someone with a differing opinion is somehow Satan. I don't get it. The worst people on /pol/ are more sound minded than the worst people from the left.
Because at the end of the day, /pol/ is arguing for western society, your society, while the extreme left argues against it.
>>78340915
>alt right
>unified
it's anything but.
You have the fag enabler milo fans, the nazi stormers, the hardcore Traditionalists (but even within this group the pagan and Christian ones fight amongst each other), and the old leftists who just don't like third wave feminism. All of these groups get called "alt-right" by the mainstream media.
>>78341030
There's that xenophobic, nationalist spin. Now for the violent? Let's just drop into literally any thread on /pol/ about anything.
>>78338971
I will pay you for nudes if they're Milo's.
>>78333952
More like
>as liberalism is viewed as the norm the opposite traction becomes the one that is most popular because it's outside of the societal norm
See for example how liberalism was what was seen as outside the norm during the bush presidency while conservatism was the hot thing that the media talked about
it's a shift of views that happens every 8 years
>>78340915
Personally I just don't like the term alt right. I feel like it was deployed on us so faggots like milo and the other "leaders" could hijack this purely natural reaction we have to the "norm" of the day and turn it into a money making self aggrandizement scheme.
We are paleoconservatives, nationalists, and fascists. We don't need some stupid term to herd us together
>>78341497
no i think this is a bit bigger than just an 8 year cycle
>>78341248
Nearly every non-western country is xenophobic and nationalistic. It's the West that preaches tolerance and inclusiveness.
Go outside your comfort zone and visit some of these countries. Then come back with some better knowledge about how people outside your neighborhood think. It's eye opening to be honest.
>>78341515
this
>>78342094
10 year?
>/pol/is satire
You fell for our taqqiya.
By mixing shitposting and banter with our earnest beliefs, we can simultaneously fight multiple fronts and disavow views to appease different audiences with a mere smug anime girl picture.
>>78340831
I'm a Marxist-Leninist, so, neither
>>78338717
>true conservative meme
>anonymity is egalitarianism
Kill yourself.
>>78333952
>>78333952
>discuss
And how do you know that we still aren't being satirical and only doing this ironically?
We are gonna ride this ''joke'' till the end, m8.
>>78342839
What do you have against people like, say Dugin, then?
They take the best aspects of marxism and the USSR as well as monarchy and traditionalism (instead of atheism) and many of their enemies are the same as those of serious Marxists (American liberal capitalists). If anything you should have more allies on the current far-right than the moderate left.
>>78340915
There is only right leaners and right leaners who grew up left and don't quite know how to act. The "alt-right" terminology is unnecessary, and not many are the "anime masturbating irl meme spouting pony loving pretenders" that they're made out to be. The smallest minority of any group is always the loudest.
>>78342740
this, /pol/ actually uses next level shitposting and banter dangerous in the hands of mere amateurs
>>78341515
Also what this guy said.
>>78343080
>mfw this will be the greatest practical joke since Hitler got to power
>>78341515
Alt-right was created by a white identitarian magazine to describe young college kids who were right wing, but opposed to cuckservatives and delving into "alternative" ideologies considered fringe. This includes: traditionalism, monarchists, national socialists, fascists, neo reactionaries, and paleolibertarians. It was coined back in 08 I believe after Ron Paul failed.
It's not a movement so much as a happening as neoconservatives have been widely discredited among the youth, but a large part of this same youth feel disaffected and morally opposed to modernism.
>>78344004
And Milo/shapiro and friends are most definitely infiltrators trying to push the groups you describe closer and closer to neocons. For fuck's sake Breitbart has been the biggest neocon pro-Israel journal on the Internet since forever.
I'm a trap, never had any friends. For me, the alt right was a way to let out my frustration with my conservative christian parents, but rebel against my liberal peers. I am a contrarian, I go against the flow. I am like a salmon swimming up the current. You have never met an opponent like me before, for I am unique, but I am a worthy opponent, so that's really all that matters. Will I out grow the alt right some day? Of course. But I grew out of my goth phase too.
alt-right is actually very liberal
it advocates for freedumbz for freedumb's sake but only for 148.8% white males
it's not very traditional
>>78344433
nah you're just a leaf posting satire
>>78343080
This
It will still be satire even when OP is in the gas chamber
>>78344433
Will you grow out of being a faggot, though? No, only fire can cleanse your filth.
>>78333952
>collection of political ideals didn't exist until the last
Stopped reading right there.
>>78342933
Nope, anonymous internet is just like democracy.
In the end it falls because the masses have too much influence. compare 4chan going to shit to what happened to America since its inception. 4chan was inherently vulnerable because of anonymity and ease of access
>>78344548
Exactly. If you don't realize 4chan, and really the Internet as an idea, is inherently liberal degeneracy, you're not on the real right.
Real right-wingers should realize that 4chan needs to go and the Internet should be destroyed or heavily regulated , if an actual right-wing nation were to come into being.
>>78333952
/pol/ is a imageboard of peace you bigot.
>>78343220
Dugin is a marginal figure in Russian political landscape. His 'anti-imperialism' is the same as Hitler's 'anti-imperialism' (Adolf also loved to rant how Jews and Brits exploit the whole world) and his ideology has nothing to do with Marxism. To hell with such 'allies'.
His positions are profoundly anti Marxist and he seems never to have heard or ignored Marxism-Leninism-Maoism and its critique of the Soviet State collapse through internal revisionism but sees Marxism locked in the 19th century and has a nationalist interpretation of Leninism.
I call myself a "racial realist". My average day is waking up and watching an hour of Molynex, followed by "based mom", then Milo, then Ben Shapiro if it's not a school night. I call people cucks that disagree with me but secretly watch BBC porn every night. Most of us are NEETS and blame our problems on women.
The alt right can save the West!
>>78333952
Agreed. The "alt-right" started on 4chan with people being offensive as possible for the lulz. It wasn't even really satire. Just shitposting.
Scary thing is, if you repeat something often enough, people start to actually believe it. So after telling enough nigger and holocaust jokes, some idiots started thinking Hitler actually was right.
It's pretty sad, really. Humanity isn't ready for the internet yet.
alt right is just a way for russia to destroy the liberal anglo american order from within using the disaffected masses just like they did with communism. we are just communist fifth column in the 21st century, mark my words in 10 years there will be calls for us to establish russia friendly states around the world
>>78344406
Shapiro has completely abandoned it. Milo is just an opportunist that likes to upset SJWs and act as our fag shield. I have no doubt some people would let their opinions be affected by Milo's stances on some things. But I don't think he has nearly as much sway or influence as /pol/ likes to think.
He's not going to convince nrx that we don't need a new family of nobility. He's not going to convince us that there are no differences between races. As far as recent history goes, the alt right changes people into extremist, not the other way around. Just ask Ben "a major setback for every wetback" Garrison.
Really it's just a bunch of anons that really hate fags who get upset. He's just a speaker popular with young Republican student organizations.
>>78345211
I seriously don't get the motives of people who come to /pol/ just to make fun of /pol/ using strawmen like this.
I've never even watched any of the people you mention for more than a few minutes, I have a job, and I quit porn. That doesn't mean I'll magically reverse all my views and start supporting women's "liberation" and multiculturalism.
>>78345281
Not gonna lie, I had a month phase where I watched greatest story never told and thought hitler was a hero. I even told my dad some of what I thought. Now I cringe at that. Hitler ruined nationalism and socialism is retarded and he was a shitty leader. Anyone that watches those documentaries is just revising history and they need to take some actual history classes to learn the full story not just the pro Hitler story.
>>78345281
That's not what alt-right is at all, you liberal dumbfuck.
Why do jews always try and trick people into believe that anything that opposes them is a joke?
>>78345893
So graduate to actual traditionalism. A lot of real conservatives would agree with you on Hilter.
>>78346086
>DA JOOS
Typical alt-rightist
>>78345893
bad ideas are like viruses, and its a GOOD thing you're immune system is growing. there's nothing to cringe about when you realize you're just an intelligent monkey.
>>78346086
Is this satirical
Traditions are largely irrelevant in today's society. I think just libertarianism is the way to go and I prefer to live a little old school but being a hardcore traditionalist is retarded.
How can you be a traditionalist and post on an Asian image board?
>>78346512
you can't and I fully agree with this.
It's very hard to reconcile this and my only conclusion is the Internet needs to fall and society has to collapse. I may hold some traditionalist views but I'm well aware that I'm part of the problem too.
>>78346754
>>78346512
what the fuck do you think traditionalism means? reverting to agrarian societies? or is that too "liberal" for a "real" traditionalist you have to revert to hunter gatherer tribes?
>>78346754
Or you could be a normal person and live your life without wishing for the apocalypse. Happy people don't have these thoughts.
>>78338717
>caring for right/left label spooks
I dont give a shit about that famy, I like shitposting, jokes, free speech and doing what i want. If it currently falls under left or right wing is not my concern.
>>78333952
ura faget
lol
>>78347157
I thought I was "happy" as a pornography addict. There are certain things that make people "happy" that are still inherently wrong and end up harming them in the long run.
And at this point, people who use porn are the "normal" ones and very few of them are actually happy.
>>78344732
>just like democracy
No, it isn't. There are no policies being voted upon or opinions banned from discussion. The problem with open democracy is that the future of a nation is guided by appeasing a mob, not that the mob interacts with itself without social constraints.
>>78347156
The most eloquent "Traditionalists" will point out that there was more social and economic cohesiveness prior to capitalism in the empires that spanned several countries. Often they appeal not only to monarchies, but to the emperor, which unified a region symbolically with appeals to tradition, anti-materialism/metaphysical and nationalist/regionalist view of their politics in relation to the rest of the world.
What is so insidious is that these reactionaries are correct in that there was more socioeconomic cohesion in pre-capitalist societies. What they get wrong is that it was their political institutions that destroyed this cohesion.
The more general reactionary view is that they view elements of society prior to capitalism as having been demonstrably better in many ways. But they can't seem to grasp that their own people ruined it, and they ruined it because the wealthy in those societies had more to gain by subjugating the poor with land enclosures, starvation, and monitored welfare to keep them disciplined and anchored to their waged employment.
>>78347571
Are you implying that when I refer to happy people, I'm referring to people who watch a lot of porn? I'm talking about being happy with your life and your loved ones, not jacking off a lot.
>>78347837
I don't deny that the French aristocracy became decadent and are at fault for the Revolution as much as the revolutionaries themselves.
>>78346512
If no one has noticed, it's just this one leaf and one burger setting up strawmen as if there aren't IDs.
>>78333952
>satire: the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues
/pol/ really is satire regarding globalism and the regressive left, but the /pol/ is satire meme indicates that many people apparently don't even understand that satire is not the same as irony.
People looking for an identity, whether it is in worshiping Hitler, being a half assed "traditionalist", ect, really just seem to not be confident in themselves. It shows an insecurity. Pick an ideology, stop flip flopping, but jumping to stupid shit like traditions and being a Nazi is fucking retarded.
>>78347884
I'm just giving an example, that a lot of people seem to say they're "happy" but are controlled by any number of vices. I still struggle with things like internet/4chan addiction, but I don't claim I'm happy, and I highly doubt most people in my generation are truly happy, or else you wouldn't see endless amounts of discontent on the Internet (whether coming from right or left-leaning views).
But you seem to be saying it's best to ignore everything that live in ignorant bliss. I still think about that every day but was I really better off as a naive college student?
>>78348281
Nice ID
>>78348568
smug "I have no ideology" people have their own ideology too though.
>>78348457
Left-wing term: imperialism
Right-wing term: globalism.
A common feature/logic of right-wing objections is placing a supposed threat to homogenous cultural sovereignty at the forefront, which is why some fake 'anti-imperialists' (read: American/European white nativists) quickly became obsessed with the notion of a refugee invasion of Europe.
It's common for fascists to take a kernel of leftist truth and flip it on its head to invert culpability.
>>78348680
I think that the internet is skewed because the heaviest users are fuck ups and shut ins. You can be happy in our society, you not believing that is you projecting.
>>78349216
You're here on 4chan. If you're that happy why are you even here whining about other people being unhappy?
Either way you seem to agree with me that the Internet should be banned or removed.
>>78349399
maybe its not the internet thats making you a degenerate. maybe you are just a degenerate and morality exists independent of technology
>>78342839
kill yourself kike
>>78337570
low energy bait
If you are a traditionalist and you do not go to Church every Sunday then you are just a faker by my book.
>>78333952
I didn't read a single word of your post but I just wanted to say that that picture is rad as fuck and I've saved it like 20 times in its own separate folder.
>>78349727
I mean, I'm diagnosed autistic, I've been a dysgenic piece of trash for my whole life. Yet I still managed to succeed in school and get a job and develop half-decent social skills. So yeah of course most people on 4chan are social outcasts. But not all of them are the obese NEET strawman that people like to make fun of
>>78349745
Communism will win ;^)
>>78348935
>imperialism is the same as globalism
Nice bait.
>>78350104
i agree with you but i recognize your posting, you are always calling for the internet to be banned because you think technology and liberalism are intrinsically linked. why hold this view? you know people arent just going to give up on technology so the only possible outcome is that liberal values will continue to spread until all societies are completely corrupted and destroyed, are you sure you arent just a liberal?
>>78350890
What's the difference
>>78333952
The alt right are libertarians who got fed up with being pacifists after seeing how horrible the uncivilized world really is
>>78351148
let's be honest i just want me and people like me to be free of this addiction , this is probably true of most people who agree with me.
>>78351329
imperialism spreads and grows a cultural identity while globalism atomizes and rots all cultural identity
>>78342965
>Blacked.com
TOP KEK!!!!
>>78333952
You're a fat, unhygienic burger.
I could give less of a shit what your political beliefs are, you have no right, what so ever, to use the term 'banter' in any way, shape or form. kys
>>78351919
I should've known better than to ask a fash, you have no fucking idea what you're talking about
>>78352636
not an argument
>>78349399
I'm so interested in how oblivious this board is to the fact that their suffering is a result of their poor decisions and isn't society's, the government or the jews fault. Your ancestors lived as peasants under heavy handed kings and most of them lived much much harder lives than you do, I bet they didn't bitch nearly as much.
Your misery is on you, stop blaming society.
>>78352708
Your answer was so disconnected from any logical thinking that there's nothing to even argue against
>>78353020
still not an argument
>>78352155
>I could give less of a shit what your political beliefs are, you have no right, what so ever, to use the term 'banter' in any way, shape or form. kys
Hm, really good argument, but I still "remain" unconvinced by it.
>>78352901
I'm actually planning to move off-grid and learn to farm and things like that, because I came to the conclusion that my peasant ancestors were happier precisely because they had struggle to give meaning to their lives.
>>78333952
Fuck you shill.
"Alt-right" is an imposed characterization meant to make ridiculous or eliminate.
Anyone who talks about "alt-right" (especially in terms of "what it believes") without a mention of the Dark Enlightenment is a fucking shill.
>>78352155
weak banter desu lad
>>78349785
Its at least half correct b8 m8
>>78353221
I believe you're correct to some extent. Maybe they weren't happier, but they lived through it.
>>78333952
>>78353264
Tbh, there are a few different ideological underpinnings within the alt-right spectrum.
There are
- ex-Libertarian monarchists that have eschewed democracy and republicanism for monarchism, because they (and some members of the Ludwig Von Mises Institute) believe that a market thrives best without democracy and within a monarchy, or an empire.
- traditionally conservative Libertarians that believe strongly in religious tradition, patriarchy, hierarchy, social capital, and racial separation
- national anarchists - basically Strasserist and National Bolshevik-leaning anarchists that claim no ties to fascism just because they are anti-state
- the Dark Enlightenment, which is probably much more broad than I'm giving them credit for - but the ones I'm aware of are technocratic, heavily accelerationist, capitalist monarchists that want to opt out of Liberal Capitalist society to create several feudal estates that would presumably have private police and the poor that happen to live on the estate would work for the people that own it
- anarcho-capitalists, that haven't quite figured out that the logical conclusion of a stateless capitalism is the aforementioned point
- Strasserists and National Bolsheviks, which are basically metaphysical-materialist/Heideggerian, "left-wing" Nazis that call themselves fascists and socialists interchangeably. They like to read people like Alexander Dugin, the Strasser brothers, Alexander Raven Thomson, Oswald Mosely, and Troy Southgate (who is a national anarchist, btw). There are a few differences between Strasserists and NatBols, NatBol being the continuation/update of Strasserism sort of, and perhaps more divorced from Nazism as an ideology.
>>78354023
Basically, a bunch of (usually Libertarian) internet nerds learned that real conservatism actually isn't the right-wing liberalism they've been fed as a result of the Reagan and Thatcher administrations (and the ensuing 3 or so decades of their neoliberal politics), and that it's far more distinct from big-L Liberalism. This conservatism (along with the more obvious Nazism, fascism, and on the other side of things, Communism, anarchism) had been suppressed as ideas after World War II, and after the disintegration of the Soviet Union. Liberal ideas and politics were allowed to reign supreme throughout the world; so naturally, it's all most of us knew. No one in our generation even conceived of Nazism as anything more than its namesake - which is a shame, because the suppression of Conservatism-as-philosophy by Liberalism just made these former Libertarians fall victim to the philosophy, which, for a bunch of twenty and thirty-something white boys, was consolation to the soulless, alienating march of Liberalism, which had little to nothing to give them to understand why they specifically were confused and alienated. Of course, they latched onto the spirituality; they latched onto the rigid gender roles that put women "in their place;" they latched onto all the things that they would have expected to be rewarded with, had they lived two centuries earlier.
>>78353728
Ignorance is literally bliss. I sometimes even question that mass literacy was even a good idea.
Small limited communities have problems too of course, but really the human mind is not meant to deal with the amount of information the average Internet user does, it may in fact best to not even know about the outside world.
All the people who actually live the "traditional" life /pol/ obsesses over don't even know or care about politics or "happenings" they just live day to day.
>>78333952
The Alt right is just a vague term for all of the right that doesn't fit into the dumb american republican caricature that the left loves so much, nothing else. Now the term Alt Right is being used as a leftist meme, it's the new fedora but less funny when its used
>>78354228
If it weren't for modern medicine I would literally be living in the forest right now with a few buddies.
It's a predictable reaction to Lefty over reach imo, they just cant help themselves and keep pushing.
>>78352901
>/pol/ is r9k
I bet you heard about this place on reddit a lot, and come around occasional to preach to us
>>78341458
No it's a girl
>>78354476
Do you have any self awareness? Did you just paint leftists with the same brush and then claim that Alt-right isn't a specific enough term for a political grouping?
This board might as well be satire.
>>78354984
A lot of /pol/ is from /r9k/ or might as well be. I've been on this board for its entire existence.
>>78351329
Imperialism is a policy of a single country extending it's power through military force or coercive diplomacy.
Globalism in modern colloquial terms is the unification of cultural globalization, political globalization, and market globalization. The end goal is the "one world, one people," shit that dissolves national identities and opens markets up to pilfering by internationalists.
It's not comparable to a single nation expanding its borders because by definition it is the antithesis of nation building.
>>78355497
Perfectly succinct and accurate explanation. Good to see someone who knows what they're talking about here.
>>78355283
Were you always this anti-4chan and anti-/pol/ or did you change after the 2014 or so when the board deteriorated into its current state?
Did you ever actually discuss politics on this board or only come here to make fun of the people?
>>78355283
Alt Right isn't a specific term you twit, it's just another way to paint over your opposition as Neckbeard Manbeasts. Even my fucking Dad watches Gavin Mcinnes and Milo Yianoppolus, many of his friends who are older and don't use 4chan follow "alt right" figures. The world isn't your marxist university buttbudy club
>>78355872
I'm getting tired of explaining what the alternative right's origins are and arguing with shitposters every time I see these threads, but hopefully at least some anons learn a bit more.
>>78355916
I still do discuss politics on this board, but most people here really don't have the knowledge base or the intelligence to do that. Not acting like it's because I'm special, but because this board primarily attracts ignorant, hateful and stupid people as 4chan often does.
This guy >>78355497
for example knows what he's talking about. Some guy in this thread didn't even know the different between globalism and imperialism for example.
>>78340475
This. The alt right are just apathetic degenerates with an inclination to be contrarian
>>78356591
Alt right is far more specific than leftist. If you don't understand that you shouldn't be on a politics board.
>>78356716
The guy who didn't know the difference was the main anti alt-right arguer in this thread, who's a Marxist-Leninist. (see >>78348935)
Just saying, you seem to be arguing that it's only the "loser right-wingers" who are politically ignorant, yet this guy is just as much so.
It's a breath of fresh air compared to the progressive faggotry you see everywhere.
>>78355916
Also 4chan attracts a specific type of person who is very intelligent but extremely hateful and anti-social, which leads me to disagree with them on many issues.
>>78357163
What's your view on Internet anonymity?
Should it be banned?
>>78344971
>Internet should be destroyed or heavily regulated
Go fuck yourself with a broken bottle faggot
>>78341207
>tl;dr literally anyone the jews don't like they call alt-right for easy insults and strawmans
>>78357385
No I don't think so. I really like this board's structure and how it works, I just hate most of the people here. I can't bring myself to see eye to eye with people who are constantly calling for genocide and want what is effectively an American conservative version of Sharia law.
Fuck that and fuck all those people who want it.
>>78342444
More like a 40 year cycle.
FDR=Reagan
Truman=Bush I
Eisenhower=Clinton
Kennedy/LBJ=Bush II
Nixon/Ford=Obama
Carter=?
The lefty counter-culture really took off in the late 1960's through 1970's. So the righty version of a counter-culture would arise in the late 2000's through the 2010's.
>>78357856
I may be antisocial but for that reason alone I actually oppose any sort of mass genocide / extreme eugenics that some people here believe in. I'm well aware if it happened I'd be the first one to go.
But there's a difference between believing that some traditional morals (specifically sexual ones) were a good thing and wanting to go full Sharia. I do very much agree that premarital sex and the whole current "dating" paradigm is harmful and both men and women are equally to blame for it.
>>78358233
>nazi sharia
It explains so much
>>78356888
I think it's more specific in terms of size and particular shared views being universal within that spectrum, but it really has an extremely broad set of ideologies trying to address those views.
Painting it as some neckbeards on Twitter is ridiculous.
/pol/ has started to try and separate itself from this, and I can't tell if it's just artificial contrarianism or shilling.
>>78355497
You have a very romanticized view of Imperialism.
The idea of "Globalism" was developed as a way to whitewash US imperialism, making it some sort of amorphous, capitalist, naturalized process. The two are however, one in the same, the inevitable result of Capitalist hegemony
>>78358233
Traditional sexual morals is one of the primary things I oppose here. This board has made up and elaborate justification for that theory based on really horrible data analysis and pseudo-psychology. Then they'll turn right around and say they argue based on facts and logic. It's pretty frustrating sometimes.
>>78356888
Bullshit, Alt Right is being used in specific ways, mixing some truth with ridiculous claims, to undermine millennials who reject cultural marxist trash. It's the same way the Fedora meme got hijacked to shut down dissent about Feminism, by shaming people with dissenting opinions. It doesn't matter, war will break out and the left will die like dogs
>>78358585
They're tied in together honestly. That guy isn't wrong, but you could definitely argue that the US has used imperialism to promote globalism.
>>78358634
I agree that many people here are hypocritical in that they see traditional sexual morals as one-sided and only for women while being OK with men fucking around and things like porn. I was once like that but my views changed when I actually cut porn out of my life.
As the son of two parents married for life however, nothing will ever convince me that all these non-traditional "families" and sexual attitudes are good for society. That doesn't mean I want a sex police invading people's bedrooms though.
>>78358850
Literally nothing you said contradicts what I said. Alt right is a specific subset of the right and leftist is all leftists. It's a much broader piece of the spectrum.
>>78358585
>nation expands its power through military and diplomacy
>You have a very romanticized view of imperialism
Hahaha, what the fuck? Are you being facetious?
>whitewash US imperialism
That's not remotely true. Britain leaving the EU does not undermine US imperialism, but it does set back globalization efforts.
Pretending that anti-protectionist economic policies are imperialist is honestly just plain retarded. A flood of Muslim and African migrants into Europe is not beneficial to US imperialism, but it is a large step towards cultural globalization.
>>78333952
not quite right, there were people behind the scenes manipulating the spread of this rhetoric. /pol/ is more of an incubator, made so by an organized astro-turf campaign.
This, twitter, and reddit generate ideas, which are repackaged by a few groups (dark enlightenment, the actual ""alt-right"" community*, Return of Kings, and daily stormer)
There might have been a few other groups involved, but those 4 are interconnected and communicate with each other on achieving certain goals of spreading the neo-reactionary ideology.
This is still mostly organic, so the fact that it's gone far past the intentions of the dark enlightenment and neo-reactionaries is not a surprise. Other people are contributing too for sure.
>>78359194
Just because it's different doesn't mean it's bad. If a kid has at least one adult male and female who care about them and teach them about life, any family structure is fine.
I respect that you don't think your ideas should be enforced by state power though.
>>78359194
I don't think a lot of people who defend traditional sexual morals are that one sided, I personally think Porn is degenerate and bad for men however it's not comparable to sleeping around with real people.
>>78358850
Even without war the current progressive left is ultimately doomed. Sub-replacement native birthrates, combined with immigration from backwards patriarchal cultures will eventually overwhelm the currently feminized western civilization. Their entire lifestyle is incredibly short-sighted.
>>78333952
The alt right doesn't exist. the "Alt right" is the traditional right. People calling it "alt right" are moderates or leftists in denial and seek to discredit the traditional right.
The alt-right is a fucking meme. Look at how many traditionalist right wingers we agree with.
>>78333952
There is no alt-right idiot.
>>78359381
Alt Right isn't a real subset though, you can't pinpoint what it means coherently except the new strawman, fedora 4channers who vote for Trump
>>78359835
you'd be surprised how many people throw morals to the wind as long as it's about "muh white race" and "muh keeping women down" while ignoring that an equal amount of the degeneracy is done by men, just in different ways. And these people like to call anyone who disagrees a "feminist"
>>78333952
>nationalism
>white pride
>non-degeneracy
5 years you say?
I wonder if you put all /pol/acks on a island where the veil of anonymity comes down, how long it would take for this board to factionalize and tear at each others throats.
>>78359859
Sadly you're correct, and us on the right are the only ones trying to save our peoples and nations. The coming Islamification will be worse than traditional Christian civilization ever was
>>78360188
Right wing populist, nativist neo-reactionaries with white supremacist tendencies.
It's really not hard.
>>78360188
See
>>78344004
I agree with other anons here that the term has been hijacked to paint all right wing ideologues as fedora tipping neckbeards. Even if there's ample evidence that the left is the home of neckbeards.
>>78360665
The same can be said of any grouping of people. Violence and war are natural.
>>78360665
Exactly. Which is why I disagree that /pol/ or even the "alt-right" is one hivemind. They have a few views in common but many have extremely different ones with regard to other issues.
People say this but in fact it's full of people who hate each other and disagree on everything
>>78333952
>1 post by this ID
>>78361001
Populists and neo-reactionaries actually oppose one another. In fact the core of neo-reaction is that populism or any sort of "the people" politics has destroyed the world and autocracy is better.
It's just that a lot of newfags don't actually into neo-reaction and just spout it's memes half-assedly
>>78361345
As opposed to the disciples of Marx who divide themselves along so many figures that it's comparable to a religion? Leninists, Maoists, Stalinists, Trotskyists, etc?
>>78342740
This is it.
>>78360665
>implying all the skinny betas on here would ever get into a fight and wouldnt mumble something awkward about just being ironic when confronted
>>78361855
Trotskyists are anti-revolutionary fucks
The rest are alright
>>78333952
>ever falling for the "/pol/ is satire" meme
We were always serious, nigger.
It just took forever for nationalists and libertarians to put aside their differences and come together in their hate for neo-cons and SJWs.
>>78361723
You can be a populist for a specific subset of people in a nation, that's where the white supremacy and nativism comes in. This ties in with the neo-reactionary ideas where you have extreme social conservatism and authoritarian leanings.
>>78362634
Do you not see the irony here?
>>78361345
>People say this but in fact it's full of people who hate each other and disagree on everything
Wow, like every political movement
>>78363554
That was the joke comrade
>>78333952
Ideological movements started from sillier shit, and it is the nature of the young generation to rebel against the establishment, which is progressive.
Also alt right is not a real thing as in a movement but more of a sentiment I think, but a real movement will form soon enough, full of new-old ideas - we just have to wait and see if white people will choose an ideology that empowers them or one that calls for their extinction.
>>78365178
White people are cancer
>>78366280
>white people are cancer
>agrees with Jew
>>78366280
Then go away faggot, you live in a country designed for and by whites
>>78366512
I don't think he's agreeing with me you illiterate fuck
>>78366280
>White people are the cure
FTFY Jamal
>>78366512
>>78366823
>>78366938
Lmao /pol/ is so easy to troll
In all honesty tho, the struggle against white supremacy is both a systemic problem and one in which we must realize that hegemonic races and ethnicities can only oppress internal colonies, the third world, and said races with their political system, no matter how well they are treated. National self-determination is a tool to disempower imperialism and colonialism, and to strengthen the socialist and anti-imperialist/anti-colonial cause.
>>78368772
How does it relate to what I said at all?
Why is colonialism and imperialism important to you?
I place white self determination above the exploitation of the rest of the world.
And how did you get to the conclusion that national self-determination will necessary help the socialist cause?
>>78343932
>it's just a prank bro
>>78370508
It doesn't I'm just trying to bother you
Read "The National Question" by Stalin
>>78371698
You're a cunt, thanks for the recommendation
>>78372018
Np comrade
