What happened to real, patriotic socialism? How is it possible to spoil something to this level of chuckness?
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>>78278605
Patriotic is a meme word and socialism is a meme ideology. Memes get more cancerous over time.
Hope that explains it.
>>78278605
Socialism as it's known in the West is entirely the international variety, and globalism is a core of the dogma. Internationalist Socialism ended up just being a vehicle for globalist capitalism after business became divorced from a national affiliation and global monopoly and rent seeking became possible.
And well, you know who tried to do nationalist Socialism. Works as long as your population has a common culture
stalinsm was only vaguely patriotic. at it's heart it still dreamed of destroying all european cultures and people.
>>78280136
Stalin only embraced nationalism and eventually the orthodox church after purging his army and navy of its best officers, his entire nation nearly collapsed out from under him during the German invasion. Morale was worse than terrible and he had no other options for saving his own ass. He was a staunch internationalist until the consequences of his stupidity forced his hand
>>78278605
There's a name for "patriotic socialism". Its benefits the working class rights, pay and hours, supporting unions and all, all the while conserving the importance of family values, culture and national identity. Its called National Socialism, and Stalin destroyed it.
>>78278605
like all socialism's it will fail eventually.
1.Various material and ideological failures not completely relevant to the present situation led to the disintegration of 'actually existing socialism' in both its European iterations, namely Eastern Bloc and Yugoslavia. Flag says you know about that already.
2. What parts of socialist thought ever entered the mainstream of the now materially dominant and 'unified' West was done through the cancerous filter of Eurocommunism and used either as containment in the sense Debord meant or as disorentiation not affecting the base in the vein of SJW memeing.
3. Either variety is now indistinguishable from its strawmen, in a rare example where Poe's law serves both parties, the ones advocating and the ones fighting against such socialism.
4. This in itself is basic bitch post '68 reconciliation. Utter contradictions in theory and practice don't really matter anymore, as it's all about symbolic saturation and co-option of any kind of thought.
5. New new Right is also subject to the same ideological forces but most of the posters here won't agree.
tl;dr: strawman of strawmen, granted fake 'cultural victory' in order to let the system blow off some steam in both directions
We're still here
don't act like these social justice babies are even majority
>>78278605
((I can't say this any more because of UK internet hate speech laws))
>>78278605
It happened when socialism stopped to be about needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few and started to be about the polar opposite of that.
>>78278605
>Reply
maybe the lesson to be learned is that socialism isnt the answer, and that you might have to think for yourself, and come up with a structure that suits this evolving world we live in.
>the constitution
>instead of telling people what they ought to do, its a list of things you have the right to do.
>>78278605
>>78281843
Can't be socialism if there's still money
>>78281128
If you guys are so strong and think you should run a nations political and economic system why can't you suppress a bunch of crying hair dyed millennial faggots? They're the face of the left, either you're cool with that or you're too weak to matter when the entire point of Socialism is supposed to be that you're more considered and lucid at distributing resources than capitalist economics
>>78278605
>patriotic
>socialism
>>78278605
Patriotic socialism is an oxymoron
Socialism by definition is internationalist cosmopolitan and jewish.
Stalin was a shitskin who murdered millions of Russians serving his jewish masters
SAGE
>>78278605
The "New-left" happened.
All those american and french hippies invaded the universities and started a new wave of "socialism" and then it got kidnaped by the social-democrats and neo-liberalists.
Fuckin' hippies.
>>78284879
The Soviet Union was the first feminist country in the world. The first country to legalize abortion homosexuality encourage women to enter the workforce abolish dowry and liberalize divorce laws. Fuck off with that "redpilled" commie myth you congolombian shitskin.
>>78285208
Ok.
Keep believing in the "Marxism is a jewish ideology" meme, my turkish friend.
>>78285427
Marxism is a Jewish ideology that's common knowledge. Out of the top 10 marxist "intellectuals" at least 9 were racial jews. Really makes you think...
