>EU is ruled by undemocratic bureaucrats
why do /pol/tards believe this?
>>78275455
Don't worry.
Cologne was just the beginning.
I hope you enjoy it.
>>78275455
Do you have proof of the contrary?
Ignorance. The people on this board are largely simple minded people who have no idea how the EU works so you will see lots of bullshit being posted here.
Similar to "da J00s are responsible for everything bad evur".
It's just a way stupid people try to make sense out of stuff they can't understand.
>>78275455
>>78275626
This is why Germans should have been exterminated.
>>78275455
Your culture and race dies in our life time. It's already reached the point it cannot be stopped.
>>78275455
hello Merkel enjoying your stay on /pol/? I'd post some pics of dogs but I heard Putin already does that kinda thing
Maybe you guys can point out which of the EU institutions is ruled by "undemocratic buerocrats"?
>>78275455
Because it is?
>vote for MEPs
>MEPs make up EU Parliament
>elect state leader
>Leader makes up part of the EU council
So far so regular representative democracy bullshit
>EU Council nominates and votes on EU President
>EU President and EU Council appoint and agree on the EU Commission
>MEPs not part of this process
>interests of entire nations represented by a single person
>This is how the executive of the EU is formed
Go fuck yourself Hans
>>78276035
let's take an easy one the president, how is the president of the eu elected?
>>78275626
>>78275455
>jews are not responsible for everything
>jews owning most of the multinational companies
>jews owning almost all of the american military industry
Come back when you have broken free from jewish lies.
>>78276035
The greatest political decision of this generation has been made by elites and not put to the vote. The replacement of french and germans (due to their total demographics collapse) with Africans and muslims.
There is no democracy in France or germany. The rich made the decision for you.
>>78276035
>Undemocratic
Laws proposed and repealed by people who aren't elected by the people
>buerocrats
It is illegal to wholesale bunches of bananas with just 2 or 3 bananas
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/juncker-vows-to-use-new-powers-to-block-the-far-right-nq5r5tnqq
60 million ethnic germans are due to die in the coming decades. They will leave their wealth to their decendents. The 20 million remaining ethnic germans. 60 to 80 million immigrants and their decendants are required keep germanys economy continuing in that time frame.
What happened the last time so much wealth was held by an ethnic minority in germany?
I advise all ethnic germans to convert to Islam BEFORE they decide to kill you.
>>78276112
Glad you asked.
Jean-Claude Juncker, the President of the European Commission, was elected by the European Parliament
>>78275455
It isn't unusual for you Germans, but normal people don't want government in every aspect of their lives.
>>78276407
Far right means white.
>>78275455
The EU commission are LITERALLY bureaucrats whom nobody elected.
>>78275455
>EU is ruled by undemocratic bureaucrats
Geez, I really wonder why
>>78276580
see
>>78276048
it's about as democratic as fascism senpai, why don't you actually research the EU, or are you paid to give your opinions
>>78276580
Not by the people. So elites make deals with each other and choose a leader. Its feudalism. No democracy.
>>78276271
Angela Merkel is the German Chancellor.
She is not an unelected EU buerocrat.
>>78275455
Because I worked there.
The communist party in china chooses it's leader too. Quite democratic by European standards.
>>78275455
Because it is a bureaucratic hive of scum that serve only interests of multi-national corporations and shits on all democratic institutions starting from free speech.
>>78276754
Except that germans were lied to. They are told it's a refugee crises and not the death of the German ethnicity.
>>78275731
This. Without basically war at this point, actual Germans are doomed.
There are German diaspora, but they quickly mix with other whites.
I will never forgive those responsible as long as I live
.
>>78276744
The people voted for their representatives in EU Parliament, and said representatives voted for Juncker.
I fail to see how this process is undemocratic.
>>78276048
Are you aware that the EU Council comprises the heads of state or government of the member states, which were democratically elected by their respective people?
>>78275455
>>78277028
if you don't understand how the dilution of the democratic vote to the point where what the people think or want does not matter or is ignored in the case of >>78276724 is undemocratic than goddamn how much do they pay you per post
>>78276637
And they are appointed by a councile of the head of states of European nations.
It is as undemocratic as a head of state appointing his ministers.
>>78276724
>Greece bailout referendum
>ignored
Ignored by the Greek gouvernment, you mean?
>>78275455
>facts
why do /pol/tards believe them?
>>78277152
The commission decides on the laws. Elected representatives cannot propose laws.
No democracy.
>>78275455
It's that continuous play between satirists and conspiracists that pushes half truths up and keeps facts unchecked
If you're here for intelligent political debate you're in for a wild ride
>>78277162
Because the treaties that were "made vote again" were renegotiated, until everybody was content with them
Do you think the people are so stupid that they vote differently for the exact same treaty?
>People should decide on stuff which has worldwide consequences
Fuck off,I dont want some uneducated babyboomer to make the important decisions.
Just look at america
>>78277028
>Are you aware that the EU Council comprises the heads of state or government of the member states, which were democratically elected by their respective people?
You know that bit where I said the entire interests of a nation are represented by a single person, who in our case was elected with around 30% of the electorate?
Yeah. So democratic.
>>78275455
>why do /pol/tards believe this?
>/pol/tards
>tards
>retards
It is in the name.They are retarded.
>>78277444
No one is allowed to vote on any important decisions in either the US or Europe. Don't worry.
>>78276112
How is he elected in the US?
>>78277436
I hate to tell you but "ignored" and "made to vote again" does not mean renegotiated nor does it mean democratic, EU is the new face of fascism in Europe
>>78276216
>breaking free
>when juden controls the narrative aka the media
>>78277152
>Elected choose the senior officials (the Commission)
no, the Commission chooses itself, it only get the confirmation from the MEP
>The EU is undemocratic
What is an MEP?
>>78276112
People who are unelectable at the national level get sent to Europe where they pretend that they vote on a leader.
>>78276399
>Laws proposed and repealed by people who aren't elected by the people
>brexiters actually believe this
>>78275455
Because it's factual.
Just shut up and accept that the 4th Reich is going to fail.
>>78277616
we are talking about the EU my misdirecting friend not America remember
>>78275455
You're right, it's actually run by (((bankers)))
>>78277738
The commission. The system is designed to do as much as it can without democracy interfering with business.
>>78277651
>The process of ratifying the treaty was fraught with difficulties in three states. In Denmark, the first Danish Maastricht Treaty referendum was held on 2 June 1992 but a shortfall of fewer than 50,000 votes resulted in the treaty not being ratified.[7] After the failure, alterations were made to the treaty through the addition of the Edinburgh Agreement which lists four Danish exceptions. The treaty was eventually ratified the following year on 18 May 1993 after a second referendum was held in Denmark,[8] with legal effect after the formally granted royal assent on 9 June 1993.[9]
>>78275455
>Germany assblasted that the uk is leaving it's club house
>>78277546
>who in our case was elected with around 30% of the electorate?
Isn't that more the problem of the British democratic system rather than the European?
>>78277825
You have no right to say the EU isn't Democratic enough when your own election process is further from being what you demand the EU to be
>>78277666
>>The Russian Empire is undemocratic
>What is the Duma?
This is what you sound like.
>>78275455
>ECB
>Not elected by anyone
>Not responsible to any court of law
>>78275455
Because it is. It also provides a cover for elected officials to pass the buck so that they can avoid the responsibility to their constituency.
http://youtu.be/34giUftE7BI
>>78275716
We should have listened to you in 1918 Francois. My apologies.
>>78277152
>They answer to you via MEPs
And Whitehall answers to the elected government.
>Laws are approved by elected national parliaments
Or else.
Argue for the EU of you like but it dilutes democracy to the point that no great change can ever occur without the consent of a globalist elite. If I thought the EU would lead to European Nationalism I'd be voting remain, but it's just death by cuckoldry.
>>78278110
false equivalence, I'm not making an argument based on the fact that the US is more democratic my fascist friend ergo NOT AN ARGUMENT
>>78275455
Did you vote for anyone running the EU shitshow?
didn't think so.
>>78278093
It's a problem with both. I don't have the option to change my own political system, I don't have the option to leave one just as bad, if not worse.
>>78277028
European citizens elect their own members of parliament. They elect cabinet. Cabinet members of European countries elect EU leadership.
It's pretty removed from actual voters. Your average municipal bureaucrat has stronger democratic mandate than EU commission.
>>78278344
Fuck off back to your trump circlejerk with your 4th grade reasoning
>>78278540
I do have* for the second
>>78278550
>>78278550
enjoy your ignorance, obviously never actually had to defend your opinions with anything other than emotion and buzzwords
>>78275626
Do you have any notion of EU law? It's one big clusterfuck where they steal as much power as they can from the national government
They are allowed to do everything and there is little seperation of powers: no checks and balances, no trias politica...
>>78277152
EU parliament lacks the very defining feature of parliament, they cannot propose laws. They only vote to approve laws.... as many times it's needed for them to pass 'em.
EU is sort of cargo cult democracy. It has most of it's trappings, without having actual democracy.
>see a post defending the EU
>check flag
>German
tough luck pal
>>78278550
We don't need to tell you to fuck off. There won't be a germany soon enough. Did your leaders not tell you that your population has collapsed and you desperately need the refugees as replacements?
>>78275455
Because it's true.
>>78275455
Because it's true.
The European Commission has the right to introduce laws, all the Parliament can do is approve or disapprove. Standard policy is to either wait a while before reintroducing the law or to offer some snake oil measures that don't have an effect on the initial law.
The people don't get to vote for the commission.
>why bad?
>muh other parliaments with similar system
In countries (such as mine) the people get to vote for the politicians who've actually got the power to introduce laws and amend them, as well as forming, controlling and opposing the gouvernment.
Our version of the commission is indirectly elected by the provincial politicians that we've elected into power and all it can do is approve or disapprove of the final draft of the laws.
That is more democratic than the EU ever has been and ever will be.
>>78278655
so you leave the EU to stay in a even more undemocratic system? See >>78277152
>>78278548
European Comission is as removed from the actual European voter as any Finnish ministery from the Finnish voter, for example
>>78278714
The point that went over your head is that nobody except for neo liberals would doubt that the US is a democratic country with democratic elections
So criticizing the EU with your flag makes as much sense as britbongs blaming the masses of pakis in their country on the EU
>>78275455
Spinelli Plan - that's all I should say in this matter. Check it.
>>78275455
>EU is ruled by undemocratic bureaucrats
>why do /pol/tards believe this?
For instance because they stated that they will ignore all legally and democratically elected right wing members of the European Parliament.
Which means they're only democratic if you're a lefty SJW scum.
>>78279150
As already mentioned before, the European Comission is appointed by the European council, which is made of the head of states of European countries. And those head of states were democratically elected by their respective population
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgiI46FCDU
>>78279225
The point that went over your head is that facts don't care about where you are from, who the fuck taught you to debate you are getting absolutely btfo'd.
>>78279189
What you have to realize that the EU is a dilution of the already more undemocratic system, therefore the EU is always worse.
My prediction for ww3 is germany france and africa vs Europe.
>>78279189
That infographic is so wrong I don't even know where to start.
I'd also rather be subject to one imperfect system that I have a chance of changing than one which I don't.
>>78275455
>democratic
Do you even know what that means? The people have no say in anything. Troll harder.
>>78279482
What an embarrassment.
>>78275455
>commission is unelected and propose legislation
>parliament largely made up of people I cannot elect
Sure sounds undemocratic to me
>>78279494
I give up
>>78279811
Your people gave up decades ago. It's why you are going extinct.
>>78279788
>parliament largely made up of people I cannot elect
what? all of the members of parliament are elected by European citizens
>>78275626
t. Jean-Claude Juncker
>>78279427
If by head of state you mean presidents, we've got a king.
The argument is that it's not democratic enough. We can't vote for those with the relevant powers directly, and more importantly we can't vote them out.
>inb4 should have been republic
>>78279506
Dont let this happen, europe would be gone.
>>78275455
Because it's true lmao
>>78275455
>>78275626
I have really come to hate you Germans. I swear to God that I will masturbate anytime I read about you women getting brutally raped.
>>78279811
just out of curiosity do you know what the electoral college is in America?
>>78279882
Almost all of the parliament is made up of people who do not represent me in any way and who do not rely on my vote.
>>78279882
Most of which do not live in my country. That's not democracy- it's a sham. It doesn't work. You can't rule 28 countries by one parliament.
>cEUcks don't understand vote dilution
The larger the voting population and the further from that population the government is the less democratic
It's why you, as an individual, can hold a value but at the same time your government fucking hates your values
>>78275455
Because it is. 8 of 40 votes on major legislation goes to unelected thirdparties. Not to mention the very fact that the people who are subject to the rules from this opaque institution don't have a direct say in it.
>>78279913
Germany and France are the aggressors and we must fight you. Europe is gone if we don't. Your leaders have sold you.
>>78279985
>>78280009
In your country, you also can only vote for the MEP from your district.
How is it any different?
>>78275455
It's democratic in the sense that the parliament is voted in, but it's undemocratic in the sense that only a fraction of those are representatives from my country. The rest represent all the other countries in Europe.
I really shouldn't have to explain this to you Hans.
>>78275626
>1 post by this ID
>>78279876
Why so salty?
>>78279936
A Democratic system that works for you guys
>>78280215
So it would be only democratic if the whole EU parliament represented UK only?
>>78277152
>@dickgraceless
More like Grace Dickless
What a cuck
>>78280194
You mean MP? The difference is all MPs live and work in Britain so are fully accountable to Brits. Comparing districts within one country to separate countries is dumb. A French or Polish MEP doesn't care about Britain. A British MP from whatever area still cares about Britain first.
>>78275455
The European Commission is dictatorship under the clothing of democracy.
Not that a German would know democracy if it ran up and fucked his mother in the face.
>>78280194
I live in a city state.
>>78280298
Salty? Look into the demographics plans currently in place for germany. You will be an Islamic country in my life. That will cause civil war in the EU or just war in germany if we can get out of the EU.
>>78275455
The EU has destroyed Europe with fucking mooslims! You must be a moooslim or an Islamic Breast Feeder to even ask, or rather state, such Bullshit. now the fucking Islamic EU is getting an army. They will use it to keep their slaves in. When Britain takes its natural place among free men your little EU will use force on all the other dumbass countries.
Noticeboard EU pussies do not mention the vote in Brussels next week to form an Army! when you joined did they mention having an army to enforce rules.
MY GOD, England! How can any Brit vote to STAY?
You will give up control of your nukes.
>>78280482
How does that affect you though? Why do you care?
>>78277152
Yeah, sure Fritz adding another opaque layer on top of it all will surely improve the governments connection to the vox populi
>>78280427
I would assume a Scottish MP wouldnt care abut Wales and the other way around.
I literally dont see the difference here
>>78280298
no its an example of a dilution of democracy, same thing with super delegates at party conventions
>More than 11,000 Icelanders offer to house Syrian refugees to help European crisis
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/more-than-11000-icelanders-offer-to-house-syrian-refugees-to-help-european-crisis-10480505.html
>The group were met at the airport by no less than the country's prime minister Sigmundur Gunnlaugsson, whose press service said he had expressed the wish that the newcomers would soon feel at home.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/iceland-welcomes-first-syrian-refugees-205736560.html
What is wrong with you, Iceland? Do you really care more about your horses than your humans?
Helping to redpill some of these delusional german EU cucks
>„Nationale Souveränität ist die Grundursache der meisten Übel unserer Zeit. Die einzige endgültige Abhilfe gegen dieses oberste katastrophale Übel ist eine föderale Union der Völker.“ Zitat an der Wand des EU-Besucherzentrums in Brüssel
>>78276754
I don't think,anyone in England voted for her. Who decided she would be King?
>>78280870
>„Wenn man eine wirkliche Weltordnung haben will, eine globale politische Ordnung, dann wird man nicht umhin kommen, an einigen Stellen auch Souveränität, Rechte an andere abzugeben.“ Angela Merkel auf dem Evangelischen Kirchentag 2011
>>78280640
How do large neighboring countires collapsing one way or another affect me? How do France and Germany being already set to become Islamic affect me?
Well honestly I hope ireland can stay out of it but France and the UK have nukes. There might be some collateral damage.
>>78280910
>„Wir sollten bitte nicht vergessen, dieses ganze Projekt europäische Einheit ist wegen Deutschland notwendig geworden. Es geht immer dabei [darum], Deutschland einzubinden, damit es nicht zur Gefahr wird für andere. (…) Wenn irgendjemand glaubt, (…) dass das 65 Jahre nach Kriegsende keine Rolle mehr spielt, dann sind Sie vollkommen schief gewickelt. Ich kann Ihnen nach zehn Jahren Brüssel sagen, das spielt jeden Tag noch eine Rolle.“ Günter Verheugen, SPD, EU-Kommissar 1999 bis 2010, Maybrit Illner, 9.12.2010
>>78280870
European countries are sovereign.
EU is not.
>>78280936
>„Wir beschließen etwas, stellen das dann in den Raum und warten einige Zeit ab, was passiert. Wenn es dann kein großes Geschrei gibt und keine Aufstände, weil die meisten gar nicht begreifen, was da beschlossen wurde, dann machen wir weiter – Schritt für Schritt, bis es kein Zurück mehr gibt.“ Jean-Claude Juncker, Der Spiegel Nr. 52/1999
>>78280969
>„Nichts sollte in der Öffentlichkeit geschehen. Wir sollten in der Euro-Gruppe im Geheimen diskutieren. (…) Die Dinge müssen geheim und im Dunkeln getan werden. Wenn es ernst wird, müssen wir lügen.” Jean-Claude Juncker, Focus 19/2011
>>78275455
Because the EU happens to stand for the opposite of /pol/s oppinions. If the EU was rightwing, anti-immigration /pol/ would be all over it, calling it the new crusade.
>>78280940
>Someone else makes laws that overwrite your countries laws
>Your country is sovereign
>why do /pol/tards believe this?
Because it's the truth? Yeah I know it's hard to understand germanbro but that's how it works.
You can call it anything you want you can deliberately avoid the subject but facts are facts. You can call them a democracy all you want. But they are not.
>>78281045
>„Nein. Nein, auf gar keinen Fall. Ich bin davon überzeugt, dass Europa gut für uns ist“ Angela Merkel auf die Frage, ob sie den europäischen Gedanken im Namen des Volkes aufgeben würde, 25.09.2011
>>78280932
You're worrying about something that may or may not happen and the chances of it happening are very low
Thought the Irish were more laid back guess I was wrong
>>78281173
>„Das Strafrecht wird letztendlich zu einem regulären EU-Politikfeld heranreifen. Das Europäische Parlament sollte der Ko-Gesetzgeber in allen legislativen Prozederen sein und der Gerichtshof die volle Kontrolle über die Strafgesetzgebung in der EU haben.“ Die damalige Justiz-Kommissarin Viviane Reding, November 2013
>>78281084
How are you enjoying turning into a caliphate?
>>78281237
>„Wir werden eine Kapitalmarktunion, eine Energieunion, eine Wirtschafts- und Währungsunion benötigen, aber wir glauben auch, dass wir eine Sicherheitsunion brauchen.“ Jean-Claude Juncker, 23. März 2016, nach den Terroranschlägen von Brüssel
>>78281304
>„Wie in der Europäischen Migrationsagenda bereits angedeutet, könnte man, auf lange Sicht, die Möglichkeit in Erwägung ziehen, die Verantwortung für die Bearbeitung von Asylgesuchen von der nationalen auf die EU-Ebene zu übertragen, indem man zum Beispiel das Europäische Unterstützungsbüro für Asylfragen in eine erstinstanzliche EU-Beschlussagentur verwandelt, die in allen Mitgliedstaaten Zweigfilialen unterhält.“ EU-Kommission, Towards a Reform of the Common European Asylum System and Enhancing Legal Avenues to Europe April, 2016
>>78280870
How is that wrong? I think it's on point
>>78281114
If you are interested in the subject of sovereignty and EU laws overriding national laws, I would recommend you to watch this video of an Professor of EU law
He talks about this subject in depth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y
>>78281341
>„Die Entscheidungen der demokratischsten Institutionen der Welt sind manchmal sehr verkehrt.” José Manuel Barroso 2010
Should've been you at her place, OP.
>>78281239
how are you?
Last but not least
>„Wenn es ein JA ist, sagen wir ‚Weiter geht’s‘, und wenn es ein NEIN ist, sagen wir ‚Wir machen weiter‘. Jean-Claude Juncker über das französische Referendum zum Vertrag von Lissabon 2005
>>78281196
Ethnic germans are already gone. We are just waiting for your elderly to die and muslims will be the majority. Then things will get interesting.
Irish people are not laid back about this issue. I said "germany is already gone, their demographics have completed collapsed. They have to be replaced by middle easterners" in my work place and people agreed. This is a hospital laboratory. Respectable people.
We don't have the propaganda that you have so we are not as blind. You were massively betrayed.
>>78275455
because its true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95CPTo_TASA
>>78281239
I completely despise it and hate the EU. Why do you ask?
>>78275455
>
oy vey, I'll lose my monopoly
Remind that leader of the EU trade comission negotiating TTIP with America literally said, word for word:
"I DO NOT TAKE MY MANDATE FROM THE EUROPEAN PEOPLE"
Flagship of democracy right there.
Friendly reminder that the high court of the EU writes all its judgements in caps lock and that the process of making a new law is accompanied by so called (((expert groups))) that are never ever elected by anyone who have a fair vote on the design of a new law.
Best example is that fucking light bulb thing, like only certain light bulbs are allowed to be sold in EU anymore, they are all made by german factories, when they passed that law they were (((advised))) to ban all that old and (((environmentally hazardous))) light bulbs by a certain expert group which just so happened to be german light bulb manufactures.
They then passed that new law in fucking caps lock like the high court does, the EU is one big jewing made by producers who happen to have their base in Germany.
>>78283869
Did I forgot to tell you how votes on issues are based on population size in the council of the EU? For instance they ignore Denmark on every issue ever, it has no voice in EU issues ever.
>>78283869
Many people blame Germany for it's leading role in the EU, because we generally profit from it economically, but we are just being used like the rest of the members, too. None of the EU leaders have the best interest of the German people (or really any people of the member states) in mind, it's all about the $$. Unfortunately, it just so happens that they have found a willing collaborator in Merkel which makes the situation even worse, but it would also be ignorant to believe that they would allow a German chancellor to be "elected" who would oppose EU agenda.
>>78279189
>European Comission is as removed from the actual European voter as any Finnish ministery from the Finnish voter, for example
It's one step further removed from voters than members of national level cabinet members. Every step they take from actual electorate makes 'em less democratic and more corrupt by corporate lobbyists.
Can the EU commission be removed with a vote of no confidence?
>>78275626
>>78275455
>germany
>>78280906
She isn't. Germany is, as long as it keeps other countries from entering self inflicted bankrupcy.
Real simple.
>>78276724
what book is it?
>>78276724
Can add newest Netherlands referendum on Ukraine
Germans are a defective people. Their main defect is that they will rabidly follow whatever they are instructed to do by their leaders.
So in WW2 is was following hitler and murdering millions in his grab for power. Now it's their demographic apocalypse and love for the multicult that will result in their disappearance so that their new leaders can get power.
