And embarrass yourself
>>78170496
Anyone supporting gun control is tried for treason and hanged.
Heres another perspective. Considering a president acts as the face of the nation. If Donald Trump gets into office, he should emphasize gun safety and responsibility as a tenant of his administration. Doesn't that create an impactful sentiment, or would it all just be show?
Ban cars.
>>78170496
Any mental disabilities is an automatic no. If you had any psychiatric help in the last 2-3 years its a no.
>>78170496
flippy uppy shoulder things just make it easier to kill babies, it's called science.
but i wouldn't expect a redneck like you to understand science.
>>78170496
Is it not much easier to aim with the first one ? Need some american expertise there
I would at least give .01% of a shit about what they were saying if they had .01% of a fucking clue what they were talking about.
>>78171384
Are you under some impression that the government keeps records of all people who went to see a psychiatrist? You're wrong if you think so.
>>78170496
>barrel shroud
>shoulder thing that goes up
>pistol grips
>BAYONET LUGS LEL
>flash hiders/muzzlebrakes
>extending stocks
>>78171540
>Is it not much easier to aim with the first one ?
no, that's the job of the sights. that's why they're called that
the grip just changes how you hold the rifle
>>78171643
Gunfags aren't the smartest people around from what I've gathered here. Just have a little little checkbox in the paperwork and hold it for a while.
>>78171384
>any psychiatric help in the last 2-3 years
Do you know how many normal people see a shrink?
Institutionalized? Okay.
>>78171890
>>78171540
The real purpose of the pistol grip to allow the using to easily shoot the weapons over and around cover.
grenade launchers
>>78170496
No guns for everybody
no guns for the civilian
no guns for the police
no guns for the security guarding politicians
no guns for the military
>>78170496
How about this one:
"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Yeah, its just for holding it more comfortably
>>78171759
>How you hold the rifle
Indeed, I felt like the position of your hand allows for better aiming. The second looks uncomfortable as hell.
I showed my wife my ar15, and she wanted to hold it. She put the stock over her shoulder like it's some sort of bazooka.
She'd fired a .22 before. She knew how to hold that.
This is what the uninformed public thinks of scary black guns... they just assume they're crazy war guns.
>>78172133
Have fun being conquered then ;^)
>>78170496
>implement tax breaks for regularly (every 5-10 years, whatever) attending an authorized gun safety course and demonstrating a reasonable proficiency with your firearm of choice
>more people grow to understand guns and are less afraid of them
>???
>profit
>>78170699
Checked and FPBP in one fell swoop.
>>78171384
Great plan! Now people will actively avoid mental health treatment to avoid such regulations and stigma. Nothing better than untreated crazies buying guns.
>>78172475
Unmanned predator drones controlled by skynet will be our only defense
>>78170699
>I want to kill over half the country, and I think this is somehow ok in the constitution and is not insane at all
Get droned, terrorist.
>>78172266
Hell, no, pistol grip rifles are awkward as fuck. I find a smooth transition to the stock more natural and comfortable.
>>78171896
But anon, anyone who has been institutionalized by court order is already barred from owning a gun. If you choose to go to rehab or choose to go somewhere of your own volition you can still buy but if you were mandated by the courts to go to an institution for treatment you cant exercise your 2A rights.
>you require a license to own guns
>similar to car license where you need to pass a basic test
>every year you have to update your license with what guns you have recently purchased
>can be done via mail or online tho
>selling guns privately has to be documented in the yearly check too
>>78172601
>""""our"""" defense
>>78170496
In my country you either need a hunting license which you get from studying and passing a test or you have to be a member of a gun club in order to buy a firearm, and most people can't be bothered.
Also we don't have dedicated gun stores. You have to go to the hunting section in a sports store and they only sell two-barrel shotguns and semi-automatic rifles (or what's it called when you have to pull that thing back and forth for each shot). I don't actually know if it's possible to legally purchase any other type of firearm here even with a license or a club membership.
>>78173003
>owning a car is protected by the Bill of Rights
>>78170496
I like the "3-day waiting period" so that police and the FBI can look into your background and determine if there is reason to withhold weapons from you due to terrorist connections.
I also think if they agree that if your purchase should be withheld, that there should be a period that the person can find out why the purchase was withheld, and and to protest it (within 1 month of attempt of purchase).
During this time, of course, if the person is actually a suspected terrorist, then they should be watched by police in case they try to go build some bombs or something that they can be watched better.
If the person is withheld for any suspicions other than terrorism or terrorism connections, and it seems like the person was put on a watch list out of political or revenge tactics, then they should be able to receive $5000 at the end of their protest. This is if the "suspicions" seem to be for anything other than terrorism or terrorism connections.
>>78172266
Have you ever held a rifle? The second gun is one of the most natural feeling and ergonomic objects ever created
>>78172717
If those people want to pick apart the constitution and infringe on our rights, then its hypocritical for them to use that same document to protect themselves from harm
>>78172567
But anon untreated crazies are already buying guys and thats the proplem.
I'm more worried about a /pol/fag across my street than I am of Tyronn in the ghetto.
>>78170940
>tenant
>>78173106
>That bill of rights can't be changed
>protip: it's the same rifle
>Benelli mr1
>automatic
It's a semi automatic
>>78173316
>The Bill of Rights should be changed in regards to car or gun ownership
>>78173289
tenets whatever
>>78173337
>Grip and stock have no effect on anything
>Conservative logic
>>78173337
>bullpup mini-14???
Breivik would approve
>>78173502
They don't
>>78173003
You don't need a license to own a car, only to drive it on PUBLIC roads. The closest parallel to guns is carrying, which most states already require a license and course for.
>>78172717
>over half
>>78172717
All enemies, foreign and domestic.
>>78173588
Than there shouldn't be any issue getting rid of them eh?
>>78173003
>needing a license to buy a car
What?
>>78172717
Retard detected
There are 300+ million guns and only 10,000 killed a year
>>78173502
Yes, the tactical assault stock helps lone wolves kill babies at a much higher rate.
>>78171643
They also don't track everything you do online.
>>78170496
only sell to white people who are married
>no black thugs
>no white beta virgins
>no asians looking for "muu honor"
>>78173502
I can put a 30 rd magazine in my mini and this thing can do exactly what an AR-15 can
Fuck off
ban assault rifling
ban assault clipazines
ban assault triggers
>>78170496
Background checks for every gun sale, private or public.
>>78173316
When was the last time it was changed?
1992 was the last time there was an Amendment
>>78171896
>Do you know how many normal people see a shrink?
No, do you?
>>78173502
Lmaoing at ur life right now autist
>>78173003
Yeah, and if you kill someone you don't get your gun or car taken away
>>78173686
>I don't think they're necessary so you shouldn't have them
Thanks mom
>>78173842
As I said, I guess its just me, I'm not a huge gunfag like half of /pol/ grips just feel better to me.
Jesus fuck I wish gunfags would leave.
>>78171384
And now we know why they really dragged us to couple's counseling.
>>78173842
But that's a black and scary military grade weapon
No wonder it can do just as good as babby killer A(dolph's)R(evenge)-15(million)
>>78173686
Because freedom.
I can pass a law limiting the number of privately owned Bridgeport mills you can own. Will it affect anything? No. Why enact, enforce and criminalize something that has no reasoning behind it?
>>78172266
For the most part, stock grips on weapons are shaped nearly identically to pistol grips. On my rifle it feels pretty much the same, yet my rifle is not regulated like an AR or AK and is 100% just as lethal, designed for combat, and used by military/SWAT. Only difference is the stock extends from the back of the grip, and not from a point above it.
>>78171232
Fuck you, I should have the right to race around in a 5700lbs suv at 100 mph.
Its not like a gun or anything.
>>78171232
Cars kill and are used to kill more often than guns. We should ban them.
>>78172717
It is not only okay, but the duty of every true patriot.
Enjoy your hanging.
>>78173686
Seatbelts and air bags do nothing to improve the cars horse power, speed, fuel consumption. Why not get rid of them?
>>78174233
Suv == assault car.
>>78173120
Sen. John Cornyn R-TX (backed by the NRA) proposed something very similar to this. People on the watch list are already known to the FBI and are being investigated or at least monitored. His proposal was that if you attempt to purchase a gun while on the list, the FBI has 3 days to convince a judge to block the sale.
In theory this is a good way to keep dangerous people on the watch list from buying guns while also protecting regular people who might have mistakenly ended up on the list and keeping a semblance of due process. One potential danger is that judges will just automatically block every sale that comes to them, because the consequence of being wrong is too great. This defeats the whole purpose and is the same thing as a blanket ban for everyone on the watch list, but with added judicial bureaucracy.
>>78173686
>liberal logic
>>78174233
>>78174273
No, I should have the right to my assault style vehicle.
>>78174273
Would help the environment to. If people need to get around then they should get a bike and stop being fat. Or walk. Or even Jog. We can even work on improving our public transportation.
>>78170496
All guns are fucking lethal. Dumbass people who have never fired a gun act like they're magical items that vary in how dead they make you.
>>78170496
Something like getting a car. Meaning you take a class, you get a card, you use this card to buy guns.
That's it.
>>78173502
more like grip and stock have no effect on committing murder against unarmed people in an enclosed space
>>78174396
>He disagrees with me
>Call him a liberal
>>78170496
Bureaucracy turns everything into cancer, it's that simple. A high IQ populace doesn't need government messing with their every affairs.
>>78174357
My "assault" style vehicle is no more lethal than any other vehicle. Your ban proposal is rediculous
>>78170699
I can not waaaait for pol to implode when new regulations are passed.
Oh man it's going to be glorious.
>>78174738
/pol/ or /k/?
>>78174546
And centrally managed and organized like the DMV? Hard pass. That means the Federal government can just not issue "cards" for any reason. CCP is one thing, forcing me to get a license to buy a hunting rifle is absurd. The main thing to consider when talking about new laws is how they might be abused in the future.
>>78174598
>wants retarded gun control
>pretends he isn't a liberal faggot
>>78174738
They were already voted down for this gun panic cycle.
>>78174738
You mean like how all 4 resolutions in the Senate got voted down? You do realize the House is even less likely to vote in favor of gun control, right? The state legislatures will never ratify gun control either. Do you even know how our legislative process works?
>>78170496
I dont get the fixation americans have with guns, is it because you pro guns have a milimiter peter?
Why dont you have strong regulations like us in Mexico? Cant you see how much it has worked in our country?
>>78174738
Two more states went constitutional carry this year, so far.
Enjoy your failure and mediocrity.
>>78172061
What can you do with a pistol grip weapon that you can't do with a stock grip? That just sounds retarded mate
You could say you can shoot around cover without straining your wrist, but that goes for anything you do with a pistol grip. Because a stock grip feels retarded no matter what you're trying to do.
as we speak, dem senators are doing a "sit in" and republicans said "all right, guess we're in recess". cspan cant cover it since the senate is technically not in session.
fuckin hippies
>>78173686
If they don't have an effect, then why ban them?
>>78172446
how hard was it to contain your laughter
>>78174369
The real funny part is how the media keeps lying about this. They keep saying "Republicans voted against everything because the NRA owns them.... bote the Republicans out."
And they refuse to even acknowledge that the Republicans tried to pass their own bills and the Democrats didn't like it.
>>78174738
There is always a way around it
Just wait, I'm sure potential terrorists, not on or on a list already, are buying up guns right now. Imagine the denial when they attack after the law is passed.
Not like it matters. I can't find one terrorist or mass shooter on a watch list that would have been prevented anyways.
And if they're so dangerous that they need to be on a list and prevented from buying a gun, why aren't they already arrested? Surely they can be charged with conspiracy to commit terrorism or something.
>>78174396
>comic completely ignores the fact that it was republican congressmen who tore obamacare apart and then put in all the garbage we wound up with
Why do Republishits spout this meme so much? Obamacare when it was introduced was significantly different than when it was signed into reality. And it's all thanks to Republicans who realized they couldn't prevent it from being passed, so instead they changed as much as they possibly could so it would pretty much match their own proposed health care system, which, of course, is largely beneficial to their buddies in the health care industry and detrimental to the American people as a whole.
We could have had something nice but, nope, Republicans.
We should have strict gun laws like Paris, a mass shooting would never happen there.
>>78175098
G-d bless the Brady Center
>>78175098
Last sentence gave it away. This was almost Ausposter tier. Here's a (You) anyways, for your efforts.
>>78175129
>CA and NY cucks still may-issue
fucking commies
>>78175129
I wish Florida would go that route. We have pretty good laws already.
>>78172717
you dont seem to see the difference here though
the pro-gun guy says people trying to illegally strip rights will be TRIED for treason and hanged
the guy trying to strip your rights says drone strike gun owners
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm really makes you think...
>>78174870
I was thinking more of an accreditation than a license. All it does is show you've taken the class and have the knowledge to safely handle, maintain and store firearms.
I get your point but I really wasn't going for something as nefarious as that.
We have something like I was describing here: http://www.fqtir.qc.ca/index.php AFAIK they can't refuse you a card if you complete the class.
>>78175005
Is this real? Shit I can't tell anymore
One of my first red pills was why Yanks want to keep their guns.
Don't ever give them up, or you're fucked.
I think the general idea is:
>Ban them so law abiding dudes can't have them.
>Let the marketing guys figure out the reasoning.
>>78175477
Fuck you faggot. Leave me alone, I know it sucks here in CA for gun ownership
>>78170496
Don't infringe.
That's the only one I got.
>>78174071
>I'm not a huge gunfag
No, you're a regular fag.
>>78174546
>>78174546
>Meaning you take a class, you get a card, you use this card
Nigger I don't have to do any of that shit to buy a car.
>>78175158
The faggots are literally blocking some kind of financial legislation (among other official business) for this shit. That's probably the real reason for this.
>>78175245
They also completely ignore than the NRA's lobbying budget is fucking pitiful. They're like the 70th most influential lobbying group, and the vast majority of their funds comes from grassroots donations, like 90%. The reason the Congress doesn't vote in favor of gun control is because their constituency hates gun control. People seem to have completely forgotten that this is a representative democracy, and not everyone is corrupt.
Mandatory safety and self defense training.
Thats it
>>78175098
It's because gun rights were curbed so much in the 80s and 90s, people had to fight to get those restrictions repealed and the momentum is continuing. Add in a heavy dose of frontier-mentality, rugged individualism, and aversion to tyranny and you get a culture very attached to it's weapons.
>>78175706
>>78175477
And there still seems to be a shooting every day or every other day just in Los Angeles
>>78175839
How is that going to stop the murders and suicides which make up the majority of deaths using guns?
People on the FBI watch list for terrorists shouldn't be able to purchase a gun without being flagged in a database as an active person of interest. If we don't trust you on a plane why do we trust you with a weapon?
>>78175757
Not according to our lying media. They've been saying ad nausium the last couple days that 90% of Americans disagree with the NRA and want to get rid of them.
One newscaster I heard said that nearly 80% of NRA members disagree with the NRA.
Because the media doesn't even like truth. This is the same media saying that Republicans voted against every gun bill in the Senate, even though that too is a flat out lie. Democrats voted against just as many bills.
>>78173502
The most ironic part about all this is that the stocks that the grabbers ban actually have a diminishing effect on accuracy.
A fixed stock will give you the most accurate shots, anything else will either not effect it or as mentioned possibly lower accuracy.
I guess completely foldable stocks do increase the ability to conceal rifles, but again, at the cost of accuracy.
>>78175956
The cost of freedom
>>78170496
>>78170496
>Let's Hear Your "Common Sense" Gun Regulations
We need to do something about people being able to into a store and get a semi-automatic AR-15 after a seven minute background check...
Seven minutes is way to long. Anyone should be able to walk in and walk out with a fully automatic AR-15 with attached grenade launcher and a case of beer without any wait besides waiting on the cashier to take your money.
The right to bear arms shall not be infringed, and any wait, registration, or restrictions infringe on my god given rights, period.
That said, if you are a non citizen or are a convicted felon and are found with a firearm, you should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. And store owners should be able to not sell to whoever the fuck they feel like.
>>78175958
Its against the constitution.
>>78175245
poor taste/10
>>78174738
New laws were not passed when (((sandy hook))) happened and congress shot down everything after Omar "Curing HIV with my .223" Mateen, gun grabbers are losing.
>>78175958
Because overnight the dems would put everyone in the country on the list.
>>78175839
How about no. Guns are not dangerous, in fact they're much safer and less prone to accidental injury than a knife or a hammer. You can learn to use one by watching a 5 minute youtube video and some practice. Again, what you're saying sounds benign on the surface, but would mean the government is involved in every single gun sale, giving them even more power over us.
>>78170496
>mfw I have almost the exact same gun with the pistol grip
I spend my weekends massacring clay pigeons with my tacticool shotgun
>>78176007
>One newscaster I heard said
>One newscaster I heard said
>One newscaster I heard said
>One newscaster I heard said
>One newscaster I heard said
Please post your propaganda.
>>78175129
I'm a retard. Why was it so strict pre 90s? What started that?
>>78174738
You know none of us here are going to follow them.
![tacticool-kid[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RDhWz6L.jpg "tacticool-kid[1].jpg")
>>78176277
forgot my face
>>78170496
I've seen some retarded anti gun shit in my life, but this is clearly in the top 5, how long can you last hearing literally who crying about muh baby killer guns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5cNhsaCnxQ
>>78176320
Why it was the niggers of course.
>>78170496
Require licenses for all purchases.
Have a meeting with the local police force explaining why you'd like to own a gun.
Not have any mental issues on your medical record.
Must have a gun safe wiht a lock on it at all times to store guns when not in use.
When taking guns out has to be for a purpose, going hunting or to the range.
Films showing excessive gun violence automatically receive 18 (R) rating.
Magazines limited to 12 rounds for handguns, 20 rounds for semis.
Full auto machine guns prohibited.
Limit of 120 rounds for bullets, 24 shells per customer.
Legal age for firearm use 16.
>>78176007
The Democrats vote down the bills that actually have a chance at remedying the problem, because they call for due process, which reveals they don't give a shit about gun violence, they care about controlling people. They are openly stating that they want to ban anyone from buying guns with no due process, no way to get off the list, no way of knowing you're on the list, and the fucking President decides who's on the list. Pure tyranny.
>>78175600
>>78175958
>If we don't trust you on a plane why do we trust you with a weapon?
If we don't trust them on a plane or with a gun, why aren't they in prison?
A gun isn't the only way to kill people
I believe inbred rednecks should be stripped off their guns so they can't destroy American civilization
>>78175958
The No Fly list is unconstitutional to begin with.
>>78174369
If the sale is blocked the terrorist now knows he has heat on him and he'll fuck off until the investigation expires. You spooked the game.
They'll also use private sales.
Here's an idea. If someone on a no fly list or terrorist watch list buys a gun, the FBI is instantly notified and they go code red on the guy. Your best hope is to slip this legislation under the radar so your average abu hajaar doesn't know about the system.
Hopefully they find enough to get a warrant and raid the guy, otherwise you're not stopping the attack unless you have agents stalking him 24/7
But none of this matters because the terrorist watch list is poorly maintained and inaccurate.
>>78170496
A modified Swiss system.
Every citizen has to go through military training and will be issued a duty rifle they have to store at home.
Private sale of revolvers, pistols, semi-automatic rifles, bolt action rifles and pump-action shotguns should have no restriction other than registration and a certificate of citizenship ( which is received after military training and mental health check ). Automatic rifles should require a license that can be issued after proper training, registration and screening at a gun range. Anyone with a criminal record containing a felony will completely lose their rights to firearms for life.
Immigrants may not own any firearms unless they accumulate a certain level of points and pass military training. They accumulate points by having proficiency in the native language, by having an academic degree and by working a job and paying tax contribution. An additional background screening will be done on such persons before they receive their certificate.
Open carry of firearms should be completely legal but the chamber may not be loaded and safety must be on ( where applicable ). The focus should be on safe handling and holsters that are up to standard. People should have a respect for the rifle because it's an emblem of one's ability to defend himself and righteous citizens around them. This should be worn with pride like we once wore swords - not with irrational fear.
>>78174738
Passed by who, the republican controlled Congress?
>muh terrorist watch list
What's to stop them from putting anyone on that list?
It's like the Marijuana Stamp Act.
Don't give the government a loophole they can use to fuck with us.
>>78175956
>>78176272
Training at a shooting range wouldn't be so bad. Not like everyone can practice in their backyard or in a desert.
But more parents should be charged with crimes if their dumbass kids shoot themselves because a gun is left in the open.
>>78176540
No one can be this cucked. I refuse to believe it.
>>78170496
Ban semi-automatic firearms that fire rifle rounds (or any round over x amount of kinetic energy).
cool story
>>78176708
> will be issued a duty rifle they have to store at home
the us doesnt allow military to keep their service rifles anymore
>>78175730
>Nigger I don't have to do any of that shit to buy a car.
Yea but you can't drive a car on public roads without it. Guess you can keep and use guns on private property exclusively too. I mean if no one knows, what are they gonna do?
>>78175958
The watch list is stupid and offers no due process
If someone is too dangerous to fly on a plane, then the government needs do get enough probable cause to put them in prison, and to deny them a constitutional right like owning firearms.
>>78176713
>0.8
"Gun Show Loophole".
>>78176826
>Ban drugs that are highly addictive
Worked there right?
>>78176540
>"recent terrorist activity has determined a need to halt all gun sales and you are now required to turn in any existing weapons you have. Thank you for your cooperation "
>>78170496
Ok.
No semi autos rifles for 2+ times violent offenders or for people that are on psychotropics. Only ''ordinary hunting guns'' meaning single shot, side by side, over/under, pump action, bolt action, lever action and handguns.
60 day waiting period for 20> round magazines and semi auto rifles that are fed with an external magazine. Meaning rifles like the SKS are totally unrestricted while ar-15, ak's etc are.
People that want to carry concealed weapons needs to pass an exam. Nothing fancy, just ordinary gun safety shit and some examples of when its ok to brandish and when its not.
Then remove all restrictions on length, silencers, tactical accessories and all that shit. If some one wants to have a 10 inch AR with pistol grip, silencer, laser pointer and bipod then let them.
I don't mental health restrictions because ''mental health'' can be changed on a whim to include basically everything. Don't like LGTB? You just must be mentally ill. Don't like Obama? You must be a mentally ill racist. So i prefer something like a waiting period so that crazy people that get a crazy idea about shooting up a school or something are at least forced to contemplate a bit on it instead of being able to do it spontaneously. Mass shootings with bolt action rifles are unlikely to reach double digits.
>See http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm
>38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
>39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose
>>78176099
I went to the liquor store to get some wine. I wanted it chilled, and the employee told me "just put it in the quik-chiller. 7 minutes and it's done!"
>haha fuck off with your 7 minutes I'm not waiting for that
>this is america
>>78173003
basic test huh?
let me tell u faggots about australia's basic test in regards to drivers licenses.
it's not a basic test. it does not test your ability to drive, it tests your ability to follow rules.
sure, that sounds doable, right?
WRONG. you are entirely at the mercy of the person. there is no oversight on the person testing you, they can fuck you up so hard and make u wait months for a retest, or pass you if you are a dangerous cunt and they feel like it.
ever wonder why so many dickheads are on aussie roads? and why 99% of people fail on their first go?
here's why, in victoria and other states, you'll notice the people managing "vicroads" are employed by....roads CORPORATION.
LEFTIST FAGGOTS PRIVATIZED OUR TESTS TO JEWS WHO ARE ONLY OUT TO MAKE MORE MONEY
IT'S ALSO A RED TAPE NIGHTMARE THAT LETS IDIOTS THROUGH AND FAILS LEGIT PEOPLE.
Thank fucking god i got my license years ago, before this bullshit.
But let me say, it's not a fucking easy test now, they can deny you at will and that's what they'll do with guns.
>>78176606
Didn't the poo in loo government design a gun just for women to carry?
>>78176789
You don't even need training to use a gun though, is my point. Children can shoot guns with basic instruction.
![ShootingTimesMiniAC556-final-1024x470[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/47stDDS.jpg "ShootingTimesMiniAC556-final-1024x470[1].jpg")
I think any semi automatic weapon with a box fed magazine that fires a bullet of 5mm in diameter or larger and has a case length of 33 mm or larger should be classified as an NFA weapon. Not banned, just restricted at a higher level.
No cosmetic definition, just a functional definition.
An M1 Garand would not fall in this category, but an AR, or AK or Mini-14 etc would.
>>78171540
The reason given for pistol grips being an "assault weapon" feature when making up a ban list based on cosmetic features was that it promotes easy spray firing from the hip, as demonstrated in Hollywood action movies. Even though a standard grip that is part of the stock is angled to have better ergonimics for holding a rifle in that postion.
>>78176826
Omar could have just as easily killed that many people with a .22
>>78174533
My favorite is people who've only seen muskets in a text book think they're some pussy boom stick for people who've been dead a long time
I would much rather be shot with .223 in the era of modern medicine and general anesthesia than be shot with a lead ball in the 18th century. FUCK THAT
>>78175958
What is Due Process?
>>78173865
Ban assault make up
>>78176587
Exactly. The democrat proposals all allowed for unchecked government power in this area, whereas the GOP proposals had built-in guarantees of how to make sure it wasn't being abused. Not that I'm in support of ANY further regulation, because it just cedes ground to the left who will not stop.
It's blatant what they're trying to do.
Say "suspected terrorists should not be able to buy guns"
Then decide to put anyone who disagrees with the government on the watchlist
Just remember, conservatism is a mental illness, goy! :^)
>>78176673
>If someone on a no fly list or terrorist watch list buys a gun, the FBI is instantly notified and they go code red on the guy.
What is illegal about buying a gun though if you have done nothing wrong?
If anything, this will just make them make a bomb or some other way to kill.
Again, if they're so dangerous they can't fly or buy a gun because they're on a watch list, why not arrest them already? Conspiracy is a crime.
>>78170496
>ITT Let's Hear Your "Common Sense" Gun Regulations
All firearms, ammunition and firearm accessories are legal to buy and carry wherever you wish.
It is also legal to use those firearms as long as doing so does not violate the law (ie: you can't murder someone just because and you can't target practice at the local movie theater)
The only thing you have to prove upon buying a firearm is that A) you're 18 years old, B) You're an American citizen.
ban all semi auto guns.
fuck off gun nut.
Do any of you gun control faggots actually want to compromise or do you just want things your way?
What do gun owners get in return for any of these proposals?
If you get universal background checks, why can't we get rid of the NFA and have national carry reciprocity in all states like drivers licenses?
>>78176099
the last one is actually correct. i work in a gun shop and the atf basically has told us we can deny anyone for any reason we please. its supposed to be used for things like "acting suspicious" or "they looked high" etc and if there is ever a lawsuit for say discrimination, the atf will actually back the dealers up in court (as long as we say one of those reasons)
>>78177028
Kys
>>78177066
only if it was a .22 minigun
>>78176745
Senate is flipping. . If Hillary wins, we'll get a Supreme Court majority on top of that
>>78177004
There are many accidental shootings though
>>78177028
If it's NFA it might as well be banned. The ATF can deny your application for any reason and literally all private sales have to be done through the ATF. Would be abused the very first day it was passed.
Make it illegal for black people to purchase or carry guns.
>>78175958
>If we don't trust you on a plane why do we trust you with a weapon?
If we don't trust someone on a plane or with a weapon, why are they free to roam around society unmonitored?
"Lists" are the prime example of security theater
>>78177066
Cho killed 30 with a .22
>the colonials only had muskets
If they had AR-15s they sure as shit would have used them on the British.
>>78177245
>If Hillary wins, we'll get a Supreme Court majority on top of that
Are you kidding? The Republicucks will cave to Obama before the election and grant him exactly what he wants for the Supreme Court.
>>78176789
Ok but those accidental deaths make up a very small amount of gun related deaths. I'm talking about those who go out and murder people in the ghetto and those that commit suicide with a gun. Training is not going to stop those when they are the biggest problem.
>>78177192
It took the police 3 hours to get there he could have killed all of those faggots with a slingshot.
>>78177028
>M1 which is more powerful than all the other firearms mentioned is exempt
>implying it can't be converted to take a box magazine
Kek people with no firearms knowledge proposing laws about them.
Don't forget to ban the scary shoulder thing that goes up!
>>78177245
Yeah, all those NeverTrump fags don't realize they'll lose a lot more than just the Presidency, again, for the next 8 years
>>78177451
True, did he run out of ammo or something? What stopped him from killing more?
>>78177288
Honey das racist
The anti-gun people see this as a good example of very effective gun legislation.
>>78177414
>Training is not going to stop those when they are the biggest problem.
It will make them better shots so it's not longer 1:10 killed-wounded
Here's some common sense:
>Stay the fuck away from my guns and I wont shoot you
>>78177375
He was also asian. Luckily they don't go on killing sprees too often.
>>78177182
Well of course a private business can deny anyone they please. That has nothing to do with the government.
>>78177192
There are .22 rifles you dunce.
>>78176644
You have no constitutional right to ride planes.
>>78176843
That's true but it's not like we don't already imprison people without trial.
If somebody goes around saying they plan to commit crimes once they buy a gun and the FBI is aware of this, why can't they do something about it once they see the person has a weapon?
Or at least let that information be available to background checking organizations so gun shops can make the choice on their own.
>Abdul frequents an Isis site and plans to take action "one day"
>FBI has him on a watchlist
>he goes to buy a weapon
>gun shop sees "frequents terrorist networks and on a watch list"
>not at my shop senpai
>>78176932
No, but they aren't directly comparable.
-Guns aren't physically addictive.
-People who want to commit crimes will just use handguns (which they mostly do already). Restricting semi-automatic rifles is just a way to mitigate lethality in mass-shooting situations.
>>78177483
>Yeah, all those NeverTrump fags don't realize they'll lose a lot more than just the Presidency, again, for the next 8 years
We have the right to keep and bear arms regardless of what the constitution says.
That's why they're called "constitutionally protected rights" and not "constitutionally granted rights".
Besides, even if Trump is elected, that won't stop the dems/libs from attempting to revoke the second amendment through the courts.
>>78177615
This is the only form of gun control I support
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>>78177079
Muskets the revolutionary war were bad, but the minie ball was far worse, and rifled. Civil war soldiers were some tough motherfuckers who took a shot with these.
>>78177622
Asians are actually the only race over represented in mass shooting percentages.
>>78170496
Show me the barrel shroud thing that goes up on the shoulder. I'm glad it's regulated.
>>78177563
Frick.
>>78177651
Sounds like that could fall under conspiracy laws which we already have
>>78177554
Since asians have the lowest rate make it illegal for non-asians to own firearms.
>>78177277
There's way more accidents while using a knife, you can slip and fall and impale yourself, cut a finger off, etc. The only way a firearm discharges is if you pull the trigger, if you're in the way of the bullet when you deliberately pull the trigger, you might be a retard. Either way, we don't ban things just because a few retards kill themselves with them. Otherwise we need to ban outlets because children have electrocuted themselves.
>>78177451
>>78177549
He was on the phone for 30 minutes
Surprised there were more dead especially as they said he was shooting those on the floor
It was probably from Facebook bullshit as they said he couldn't sneak it all in, but there is a picture claiming he had ten 30 round magazines
>>78177714
>>78177172
illegal and unconstitutional.
fuck off libtard shill
>>78177172
>ban technology that is over 130 years old
Might need a DeLorean to pull that off.
>>78177651
I have a constitutional right to free travel, that includes leaving the country.
>armed shooter knows what he's doing
>BTFOs a concealed carry faggot
>libs use this as evidence concealed carry doesn't work
>guns banned, america and /pol/ forever cucked
BAN ASSAULT GIRANDONIS!
>>78177172
>ban all semi auto guns.
Why?
>inb4 1 post remains as 1 post
>>78177661
>Restricting an already statistically irrelevant object
Nothing but feel good measures that will do nothing except affect law abiding people
>>78177066
>>78177375
Ban hollow points as well (which Cho used).
>>78177862
But then the gun owners have small penises trope will be true
>>78177954
Tell me which amendment says that?
>>78177153
>What is illegal about buying a gun though if you have done nothing wrong?
Nothing
>If anything, this will just make them make a bomb or some other way to kill
The smart ones will buy weapons privately, on the black market, or get them from terrorist connections. But this might have prevented the last shooting we had because the guy was making no effort to keep his purchase a secret. The problem is the FBI was "finished" with their investigation and they dropped him off their radar.
>Again, if they're so dangerous they can't fly or buy a gun because they're on a watch list, why not arrest them already? Conspiracy is a crime.
They can buy a gun. The sale goes through. All I suggested was renew investigation.
>>78176990
>I went to the liquor store to get some wine. I wanted it chilled, and the employee told me "just put it in the quik-chiller. 7 minutes and it's done!"
Someone told me you no longer can buy a full keg with out a liquor license or something, and you have to buy two half kegs instead.
My response was literally "Are you fucking kidding me, this is America, and I am a fucking adult, I should be able to put a tap on a fucking tanker truck if I can afford it."
That all said, the liquor store not having wine in their fridge is not the same as the government telling you that you can't buy chilled wine... that is just the liquor store being shitty.
>>78170496
no regulation of firearms whatsoever. PERIOD. If the government can possess it, so can the people.
>>78177456
Power isn't the issue, "firepower" is. Its why the army switched to the smaller 5.56 round. It provided more firepower. The 30-06 round is indeed very powerful, however the 8 round magazine of the M1 plus the time it takes to load one, would make it impractical for a mass shooting.
>>78177284
The point is to make it more restricted, its why there has only been one murder with a legally own machine gun in US history since the passing of NFA, and that was by a cop.
An I have extensive firearms knowledge.
>>78178039
You realize FMJ has the potential for more collateral damage right?
You must be white to own a gun
>>78178017
So you think handguns should be banned too, then?
>>78177549
The cop that got hit in the helmet was shot with a pistol so maybe he ran out of ammo for his rifle, desu tho I think the police killed a fuck ton of people in the crossfire but if that did happen we would never hear about it.
>>78177661
I would like to clarify your position.
You understand the low statistically likelihood of being killed in a mass-shooting or terrorist incident. You understand you're much more likely to be killed with a handgun than a rifle.
Yet you're position is to restrict the most popular semi-automatic rifle that is used in less than 3% of all firearm homicides, and less than 1% of all firearm deaths?
Aren't your priorities a little fucked up?
>>78177862
reminder "white" also includes middle eastern in these statistics. if you took real white numbers, it would be roughly the same as asian
>>78177178
Ban a semi-automatics but you get to own all the bolt-actions and revolvers you want and can conceal-carry everywhere.
>>78178195
No, the army switched to 5.56 because it was lighter weight and easier to carry more of it
>>78178219
No, I think nigger gangbangers need to be hung on street corners
>>78172717
>over half
There are more gun owners and constitutional supporters than not, you red book-thumping tool. Take your pinko ass to russia, faggot.
MELON LABIA!
>>78178219
Deflect. Deflect. Deflect.
First, you acknowledge that we should be making laws with careful and logical statistical analysis, then we can move the goal posts to handguns and discuss their merit.
>>78176708
99% agree with this, though I think felons should be able to appeal to a judge to get their firearm rights back.
>>78178129
Fifth Amendment. No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law.
Travel may be essential to someone's job or a passion of theirs. Yet they may be punished and restricted from doing so without even knowing or having a trial. As well as possibly the Seventh Amendment.
>>78170496
Firearm ownership prohibited for black and Hispanic males under the age of 60.
>>78178129
Freedom of movement under United States law is governed primarily by the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the United States Constitution which states, "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States." As far back as the circuit court ruling in Corfield v. Coryell, 6 Fed. Cas. 546 (1823), the Supreme Court recognized freedom of movement as a fundamental Constitutional right. In Paul v. Virginia, 75 U.S. 168 (1869), the Court defined freedom of movement as "right of free ingress into other States, and egress from them."[1] However, the Supreme Court did not invest the federal government with the authority to protect freedom of movement. Under the "privileges and immunities" clause, this authority was given to the states, a position the Court held consistently through the years in cases such as Ward v. Maryland, 79 U.S. 418 (1871), the Slaughter-House Cases, 83 U.S. 36 (1873) and United States v. Harris, 106 U.S. 629 (1883).[2][3]
>>78178205
Well then we'll just have to develop less-lethal rounds, and ban everything else.
>>78170496
all citizens may have full access to all arms with no paperwork or fees required
>>78178185
Would you then support any weapons ban that applied equally to the government? e.g. no select-fire.
no regulation of firearms whatsoever. PERIOD. If the government can possess it, so can the people.
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>>78178362
Yeah that was my point, the 5.56 was lighter, and could carry more, thus more firepower, the same with going to the M9 vs the M1911. Although personally I prefer the M1911 when you're only allowed to use FMJ ammo such as the military is. With 9mm ball, I might as well just throw the M9 at the guy.
>>78178651
>With 9mm ball, I might as well just throw the M9 at the guy.
lel ok
>>78178336
So you want to ban all modern firearms?
Good luck
>>78177563
I'm assuming there weren't as many Jews armed as there are American people but did they at least try to fight this law in groups?
>>78178633
redrafting... any weapon in existence that might in some, even the most remote, foreseeable manner be helpful in overthrowing tyrannical government or turning back invasion.
>>78178336
>Ban a semi-automatics
No.
We've compromised enough.
We're done compromising.
>>78178537
Yep, The no-fly list wouldn't hold up against a reasonable reading of the constitution.
>>78177172
How can people feel justified in calling other people "nuts" when they literally want to abolish the founding document of the country which gives them the rights to say whatever they want in the first fucking place? Don't you feel like a hypocrite?
>>78177661
>No, but they aren't directly comparable.
>Guns aren't physically addictive.
You missed the point. There's no gun control just like there's no drug control.
The only thing you can have is "The war on" guns. Which would kill far more people.
>>78177661
>Restricting semi-automatic rifles is just a way to mitigate lethality in mass-shooting situations.
Which are statistically insignificant. Also good luck with confiscation.
>>78177862
Maybe if you hadn't done Pearl Harbor, I'd believe you.
>>78170496
to be honest, you don't really an assault rifle to deal with the muslims
>>78178274
You make a good point. Maybe handguns should be banned, too.
>>78178476
Well, it is a good point. Why not handguns? At least semi-automatic ones. The men who wrote the second amendment didn't have them, after all.
