>Tfw you realize liberals cannot be gotten to--no facts or arguments will ever change their mind, they'll just keep spinning shit to fit their narrative, so you give up and just start buying guns and wait for the war.
This is me now. I see people I know posting shit like pic related on Jewbook, and as I'm thinking of how to effectively make them look retarded for doing so, I am forced to remember all the times in the past I tried using logical arguments or facts to blow out a liberal, and instantly realize that is it a fool's errand.
I'm beginning to see liberals have this really odd way of thinking, that is sort of almost literally backwards, it's like everything is reversed. Everything they accuse us of, they actually are. Everything they accuse us of doing, they actually do. Every logical fallacy they accuse us of employing, is actually exactly what they are doing. It's fucking weird. It's like self-projection. Is it a fucking disease?
How does this tie into, or shape their worldview? How does this relate to cultural or actual Marxism? There has to be connections here, we must figure out the liberal thought process in order to more effectively defeat it.
>>78124064
Only the nutjob ones.
There's plenty of similar nutjobs on the right too.
It's more a "human" thing than a "left/right" thing.
>>78124064
you're right about not being able to convince them, there are the hardcore leftist till I die types, and then there are swinging voters, who are open to be swayed
>>78124213
not sure if he called anyone a nutjob, did he?
>>78124064
if you can figure out how to change a man's mind, then you can rule the fucking world, anon.
>>78124292
nope. He didn't. I did.
>>78124064
Poor people literally did have the same opportunities. But its not our fault no one wants to hang out with or do business with you smelly poor faggots
>>78124415
yeah not sure if thats the best word. I think its more like a socially ingrained retardation where the hivemind is all powerful and drives the 1% thought processes and behaviour. thats why they hold these rallies and protests, because they're interconnected on some subconscious level
>>78124064
just happens that the liberal view accommodates lazy and stupid people at the moment. Being a backwards thinking stubborn retard has not much to do with which side of politics you stand on
>>78124064
So you're telling me kids raised in the hood/ghetto had the same chances and opportunities as kids raised in upscale middle class neighborhoods?
Because being one of those hood kids who had to work and slave my ass to get out, while my cousins had everything and more handed to them I can tell you that's absolute bullshit.
>>78124566
shitty grammer..
the 1% are leftist organisers who drive the thoughts and reactions of the 99%
>>78124566
For some of them yeah. But as I said a similar "retardation" can and often does occur on the right too. Some people are just vulnerable to indoctrination with bizzare, internally inconsistent ideologies.
are libraries still a thing?
>>78124064
I guess they'd say the same about people who grew up here?
The opportunity exists, it may be harder for the bottom guy to make it, but plenty of people in the top house fall, stagnate or generally do nothing with their lives as well.
>>78124064
read a fucking book
>>78124064
All the people I knew who grew up in fancy neighborhoods without sandniggers and crime are liberal. The people who did are not.
>>78124676
the fringes of the spectrum sure, cleetus is right now somewhere wearing tin foil and inspecting his cattle for evidence of UFO probing
the issue with the left is that their extreme view is no longer a fringe attitude but forms a foundation for their current attitudes
>>78124566
I see this too, and I try to think of the underlying commonality, and what I come up with most is blaming others for their shortcomings, and the ones who aren't in that group, are in group B of just simply all out egalitarianism and life shouldn't be hard, which fits group A's wishes.
>>78124599
This is true, but think of it more in terms of redpill and bluepill. I don't like those terms because they get thrown around here too much "muhhh I'm so fkn redpilled bro", but there is something about the bluepill that is literally backwards.
>>78124630
Get over yourself.
Growing up poor, you had access to more government aid than they ever did. Pell Grants, state programs etc.
Absolutely nothing was holding you in the hood.
>>78124897
first sweden post ever that is not an outright cuckoldry.
are you by any chance a tourist?
>>78124994
the problem with /pol/ as a unit, is they seem to think redpill means being conservative. I'd like to have conversations on here about the beliefs of blue pilled people without getting bombarded with "coal burner","satan lover" etc. bullshit
There's usually a large genetic gulf between the rich and the poor and everybody forgets this. The left is right in the sense that the poor have less opportunity overall but they fail to realize that even if they were totally equalized the poor would continue to underperform because at their core the majority of the poor simply can't hack it.
It baffles me too OP.
The only explanation I can come up with is that sort of shit makes them "feel good".
>argue with marxist leftist brother 24/7
>ceaseless onslaught of repeated social justice warrior talking points
>have him take a personality test
>he's a ENFP while I'm an INTJ
>he is literally incapable of thinking people suck
>one race open border bullshit
>is also a normie
I really think that it is because it makes them "fit in" with their peer group. He's always tried to have lots of friends while I preferred to stay alone. I'm more willing to stand out and up for what I believe in. He went to church growing up just to socialize while I was adamantly an atheist. This ostracized me from a lot of people but I knew I was right.
/personal blog
>>78125205
I found that all the INTJ's I've met have been really cynical and angry at everyone around them. I wonder why that is
>>78124915
Alt-right.
Religious right.
Corporatist hard right.
Same shit
>>78125205
Kek, your brother reminds me of myself. Maybe I'm still bluepilled on this, but I think everyone is equally available to the truth, it's just choosing to see it. It doesn't take a genius to be a simple person and just accept things how they are.
This is why I'm personally so bothered by this, because I don't think people suck, generally, I like people, if you're warm and nice towards people, 99/100 times they are the same back to you. Maybe I'm retarded too so I just have a higher tolerance to retarded people, haha.
Someone has to really be a bad person for me to outright dislike them, otherwise, I simply view them as confused and don't hate them for it.
>>78125365
the day you see footage of cleetus holding a rally in a built up city area in support of his crazy beliefs... then you may be correct
but these days, we only see socialist communists holding these absurd gatherings and pushing their crazy agenda
>>78124064
I can say exactly the same thing about conservatives. Dumb people on both sides of the aisle. Conservatives on /pol/ have a monopoly on "hurrrr you don't agree with me so your dumb" followed by mindless shit posting or misconstrueding facts to fit their narrative. Liberals do this too and I'd say it's 50/50
>>78124064
Liberals absolutely live for this shit and they live for misery.
Debating liberals is far too tiresome these days. If the liberal narrative started saying 50 Cent was white with white skin, no amount of facts could convince them otherwise. The amount of mental gymnastics they perform every day must be staggering
>>78124064
Post that some racist once paid a jungle nigger to play his drums and sing "the holocaust is a lie" for like 3 minutes.
Then ask how much they have done to help stupid jungle niggers get some food money that easily.
>>78125053
Tell yourself whatever you need to fucktard, but if you think the shit amount of money they give you just so you don't starve to death is anything, you got another thing coming.
Plus schools in the hood are absolute shit because the technology, there is none. And the teachers are fuckwits, who hardly even understand what the fuck they're teaching. You don't know half of this shit fuckboy.
>>78125604
communists rally because they believe in a homogeneous community. Of course people who appose that won't rally in the same way
>>78125604
Did you by any chance follow the republican primaries in the US?
>>78124630
>while my cousins had everything and more handed to them
Subjective; this is the way my cousins think of my siblings and I, when our family was 3x as large as theirs. We grew up in a nice house in a good neighborhood, but we had to get ourselves started when we were 18.
>>78124064
We all have the same 24 hours in the day. Everyone starts in a different place, but if you waste your time you're not going to go anywhere regardless of where you started.
>>78125187
Many people operate under the nearly religious belief that all people are equal. There's no reasoning with these people.
>>78125690
Nigger, you need to read testaments of teachers who tried to teach in the ghetto. There are plenty, PLENTY of good hearted people out there who want to do just that, but ghetto kids don't give a fuck and are disrespectful, and most times don't have parents who discipline them.
I'm not saying it's just as easy, but anyone born in America has the opportunity to become whatever they want, if they truly work hard and let nothing stop them. We give grants and all kinds of special shit to these kids, but most don't take advantage because they're rather smoke weed and join a gang.
>>78125751
of course~!
>>78125747
>homogeneous community
that's a good point
>>78125187
>There's usually a large genetic gulf between the rich and the poor and everybody forgets this. The left is right in the sense that the poor have less opportunity overall but they fail to realize that even if they were totally equalized the poor would continue to underperform because at their core the majority of the poor simply can't hack it.
It has nothing to do with being able to "hack it". If everything were equalized, there would still be poor because that's the environment capitalism eventually creates. There will always be poor in most economic systems regardless of how hard they work.
>>78124064
Do these dumb fucks realize that the house on the bottom was in pristine condition before all the niggers moved in?
>>78124064
I've met some liberals that can be reasoned with.
Usually it's just that they haven't done any research. Once I start explaining things like why the gun proposals failed, they wind up apologizing for their ignorance. I think that honest liberals eventually go libertarian/conservative, however.
The picture isn't exactly wrong but the problem is even when you take these people out of the ghettos and give them a free ride to a university they end up fucking up and getting involved in crime.
>>78124064
Talked to a US student here who brought up the same point as that pic. That if you grow up poor you're destined to be a shitter. I asked him how come a bunch of somalis that don't know how to boil water or shit in a toilet can cross continents but the american great ape can't cross a county line and pool some welfare money into escaping the ghetto.
His eyes just glazed over and he started telling that every time i say something like that little negro kittens get beaten with nightsticks in nazi germany.
It's like talking to a salesman, just when you think there isn't any more script he starts over from the beginning.
pic unrelated
>>78125960
>I think that honest liberals eventually go libertarian/conservative, however.
"If you're not a liberal when you're young, you have no heart, if you're not a conservative when you're older, you have no brain."
Some shit like that.
>>78126090
Pretty much.
>>78125942
The house was in good condition before the jobs in the area were outsourced for a profit. Americans have this uncanny to let the rich eviscerate the middle class, then blame the poor
our lives are directly related to our domiciles? fuck it, ill squat in a mansion and my kids will rule the world
>>78125588
I meant suck as in they just aren't equal in terms of ability, morality, or intelligence. He thinks there is only the human race and that any issue with people is because of social issues.
Most people are nice to me because I'm handsome, white and male. But I still notice when they aren't... very smart...
>>78125359
I've been called analytical but not cynical. I've been told I "lack empathy".
>>78124630
I grew up poor and never attended university. I make more money than my rich cousins. My neighborhood has an average home value of over a million dollars. My condo is half a million bucks and rising and they can't afford to get into the market.
What is your point?
>>78125990
But it is wrong. That house on the bottom was new at one point, then niggers moved in and destroyed it. You think that's because they weren't going to school? Give me a fucking break. I'm white, I dropped out of high school years ago, live in a shitty apartment building in NY, and nothing would make me happier than to own a home no matter how small it is so long as it isn't around niggers. Niggers just don't appreciate anything.
>>78124064
The second house is shit because of the people that lived in it. Its not an intrinsic quality of the house.
There are people who are drug addicts, from broken homes and with no jobs living in larger and nicer houses than I do and these house are located more centrally with facilities near by. They brought the price down to nothing with their presence.
Short of taking their children into custody there is nothing that can be done for them. They already get everything for free.
>>78126026
>just when you think there isn't any more script he starts over from the beginning.
Yes, then I realized I completely wasted my time talking to someone with zero reception, and then I want to go buy more guns.
>>78125154
Nope. Born and raised ethnic swede.
>>78126143
Jobs have nothing to do with how people choose to take care of their home and their community.
>>78125690
>technology
You mean books and chalk boards? Hood schools don't have books and chalk boards?
>>78126223
>dropped out of high school
>doesn't want to live around niggers
But, you are a nigger
>>78124064
I'm white and grew up in the 2nd house raised by a single mother earning less than 20k a year
My exsistence triggers liberals
>>78124064
The leftist mind is backwards, it's simply the result of no self awareness and narcissism
>>78124064
>using the social jew
I tried arguing with a cultural marxist the day after the Orlando shooting. He's gay, and literally the fucking day after he posts a pic of the tweet that blamed the shooting on the Christian right passing anti-LGBT laws. What in the fuck.
pic related
>>78126254
>and then I want to go buy more guns.
I finally put in the effort to find out what it took to get guns, and now the EU announced that it will make even stricter gun laws.
I hope i can squeeze in and have some guns grandfathered in before they stop selling them.
>>78126331
Yeah, sure. Give me the opportunity and I can also fuck you up for talking shit.
>>78126334
You, me and millions of other whites
To liberals, we basically don't even exist
>>78124064
This image is a massive oversimplification, but there is some truth to it.
The word "privilege" has become a joke, but the concept of "class privilege" was always a legitimate one. It was pretty much always accepted that those born into wealthy families had an easier time in life.
Liberals tend to think that more socialist policies are good at making things more fair, but I'm just not sure. The money always seems to go into someone's else's hands. The libertarian philosophy seems like a better "equalizer" since it would imply the government doesn't prop up already existing big businesses.
Not only that, but socialism relies on there being a class of poor, desperate people to vote for the socialist candidates.
>>78126120
Takes an adult mindset to recognize the scam
>>78126305
Uhhhh, the house was nice. Then jobs in the area dried up and homeowners left for an area with better Homes. House then became dilapidated because there was no market and the bank that owned it couldn't take care of it. There are literally thousands of homes like this and it has nothing to do with niggers. But I suppose expecting people on /pol/ to use logic instead of blaming niggers is foolish
>>78126496
>The money always seems to go into someone's else's hands.
This is how it's always been and always will be. Nobody actually cares about the poor, especially poor niggers.
>>78126351
You just described a rightist thinker, not a liberal
>>78126464
You didn't graduate high school so I doubt you could use a map to find me.
No, but people who grew up on the top house earned it and people who grew up on the bottom earned that. It only takes 1 generation before you're in the top house and have kids there instead of the bottom
>>78124064
The manipulator exists to function in the world of people. They do not make for themselves, like those in the world of things, and so they must always perceive others as being the source of value and the solution to problems. They cannot be swayed from this way of thinking because it is literally tied to their method of survival. They MUST conceive of ways that others owe them because for what other reason would others give and do on their behalf?
It's important to remember that any conversation on how to move forward and combat the manipulator has no business involving the manipulator. Unlike the manipulator, it's all on us. Like you said OP, discourse is already poisoned, and who caused it, who's right, who's wrong, all of that is no longer even worth wasting time over It's all over but the winning and losing.
>>78126460
Best of luck anon, hope it works out for you. I just bought by first AR 15, because I am convinced if Hillary happens to get elected, "assault" rifles are gone. Bill Clinton did it in the 90s, and Hillary has talked about it.
Not taking any chances, arming up now before it's too late.
>>78126694
Not graduating doesn't mean never attended, dumbass.
>>78126331
>dropped out of high school
>making $20/hr
>spend most of my workday bullshitting with friends
What now faggot?
>>78126779
Epic, very well said. And I dare think you may be right.
>>78126824
Just means you were smart enough to finish
>>78124064
Win the crowd, not the argument.
The war of ideas is won by by good salesmanship.
>>78126909
Am I supposed to be dazzled by that?
>>78126779
What a bunch of nonsense.
i grew up in the bottom image. now i'm pretty well off. just had to learn 14 languages the rest was easy. christ we're now at the point where a croat has to explain capitalism(God's way of determining who's smart and who's poor) to Americans.
>>78126598
Nice try there using the good ole fliperoo
>>78127248
>>78127317
>how well you take advantage of other people determines how smart you are
All rich people are psychos.
Class privilege is probably the only privilege that is legit. Of course a successful family has the right to give their children every possibility to be successful themselves but to imply those children don't have an advantage is just silly.
>>78124630
Only if you are asian. The test are too lazy to make the effort to get out of the ghetto and instead they vote for left parties that promise them grants and welfare aid
>>78127505
No, it's just easier for psychos to be rich people.
>>78127342
Well that's fair. I'll say it a different way. If you think liberals are the only group that is narcissistic and lacks self awareness, you're a fucking idiot with no perception of reality, who only looks to confirm his own bias.
>>78124064
>implying poor niggers can pull themselves up by the bootstraps instead of succumbing to the ghetto that you crackers created
but really go one about change and hope
>>78124064
Can someone get the picture of the Chinese and the Blacks in America as time went on from the Great Depression to now?
The
Zombie
Apocalypse
Is
Real
>>78127769
>the ghetto that you crackers created
How?
>>78127686
The most narcisistic and insane people I've known have all been university marxists. Conservatives are generally good hardworking people who just want to be left alone, leftists want to drag everyone down and force others to live by their standards because they're mentally ill narcissists
>>78127505
no...how well you do in life shows how smart you are. i've even heard uncomfirmed fables of people so smart, they didn't need to fuck anyone over for their money. it's crazy, but rumors are rumors, they always circulate...
>>78126469
Don't forget we're as priveleged as all the rich and middle class whites because of our skin color. And liberals call us racist.
>>78124064
It's true though, and I'm not even a poorfag, I grew up pretty rich. I 100% support socioeconomic (not race based) affirmative action.
>>78124630
Don't worry bruv. As op said there is no changing people's minds that growing up poor has the same opportunities.
But what most of you don't realize, is that growing up poor, you grow up with poor parents. Parents who don't know how to teach you about finances, what loans to borrow for school, how to properly adjust, provide you with a vehicle to get to and from school. There are lots of things. I'm not bitching, because I'm happy with how hard I've worked, there are just things that I wish I had known before hand.
>>78128156
>be forced to live around niggers my whole life
>get called a racist anyway by other whites simply because I'm white even though those same whites would never dare go to a ghetto let alone live in one for more than a week
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>78127947
Ive always consider willpower to be more important than intelligence in terms of being successful
>>78128297
and there are parents who don't teach you how to wipe your ass, brush your teeth or stick a dick into a cunt.
the things we have to figure out for ourselves...
>>78128431
Which I did. But not before making plenty of financial mistakes,
>>78124064
I grew up surrounded by borderline retarded conservatives and came to a similar conclusion OP.
Eventually I realized the only reason the US has been successful is because people like you and I have moderated the stupidity of the people around us.
Sure, maybe everything would be better if you or I had our way but we would also be empowering the retards that share our ideology and they would happily destroy everything because they are too fucking thick to grasp the dynamics of shit.
I guess if I had to say anything it would be this, be humble. There are millions of people with higher IQs than you or i and they fundamentally disagree with the both of us. Learn from them.
>>78127686
Why would anyone but a narcissist vote for a party whose motto is "ask what your country could do for you"?
>>78125359
I'm INTJ, I hate talking about this kind of thing because I don't want to come off as an edgy fag, but I've always seemed to have a much easier time understanding things in a wider context. I picked up on the same stuff as Scott Adams with Trump pretty quick, but I couldn't explain it nearly as well as he does. As soon as I saw Trump speak I could tell the nigga was playing 4D chess, it just took me a lot longer to figure out how to articulate it. I'm honestly not autistic, it's not that I can't express myself well, it's just most of the time I'll intuitively understand the big picture but not be able to coherently explain it without a lot of thought.
It makes it really hard to relate to people some times because often I'll immediately understand something, but can't communicate it effectively without really breaking it down, which gets really frustrating and tiring after a while, and I'm always worried that I'll come off as a douche when I try to explain shit. I got a lot of shit for liking Trump early on, but to me it was obvious he was playing the game better than anyone, I just couldn't explain it well enough so my friends just thought I was an idiot when I told them he would win the nomination. Hopefully this makes sense but this kind of thing happens all the time, so I've become more distant from people rather than burn myself out trying to explain shit that seems like it should be obvious.
>>78124064
>their worldview
It's as simple as this - they want to be viewed as underdogs.
Identifying as an underdog, they can rationalize all their failures as being the system's fault. And any success they have in life, no matter how small, is considered a huge victory since an underdog is expected to fail.
>>78128297
Yeah, you have you learn all that on your own. That to me was the worst part because if you're clueless it makes life seem so much harder than it actually is.
>>78128410
This is true. Hard work will trump natural talent in the end. Youll see a bunch of neckbeard run around this board and others saying hurr
>doctors
>smart
While they stack shelves. People will do anything to convince themselves that theyre not stupid but never do the one thing that proves they are; succeed in life. To do better, to do well and be successful is the true measure of intelligence.
>>78128568
and you're better off for them. if your dad had just told you not to do something you'd never have first-hand experience of if it works.
>>78127914
>>>78127769
>>the ghetto that you crackers created
>How?
by "white flight"
by getting tired of all the violence in your childrens' schools, the decreased standards, the crime, the attitudes, the general angst and always hearing it is somehow your fault for not fixing it, or it's just your fault period and now you have to deal with because this is your punishment for something that happened 200 years ago.
because you moved away, and suddenly they cannot manage the wealth they've inherited. they don't respect it because they didn't earn it, and they let it go into disrepair. next thing you know, yesterday's middle upper-class neighborhood is today's ghetto of crumbling shanties.
because you ran instead of taking charge and putting people in their place, that's why. don't you know a belligerent child wants and needs correction?
>>78128568
The price we pay. My parents didnt know any english when they came to this country, i couldnt get help with my basic ass 2nd grade homework from my parents and had to go on alone.
>>78128789
is right. This shit builds a person, the extra mile you have to work, the longer time you spent to teach yourself ideas and concepts the better you will understand them
>>78128811
Yeah, I knew what he meant. It's totally our fault that niggers continue to perpetuate this shit behavior that makes people not wanna be around them which in turns takes all the jobs away. It's also our fault that niggers can't provide for their own by making their own jobs.
There's no sense arguing with them.
I just like to ask them where I can cash in this white privilege.
>>78128981
i thought you might, but he needs to hear it as much as anyone.
>>78124064
Isn't the image correct to an extent?
Rich middle class kids clearly have access to more/different opportunities than poor children with unemployed parents.
I suppose you might argue they both technically have the same access to jobs, schools, internships, networks, training etc. but that's being intentionally naive. How could a kid with two lawyers for parents not have more opportunities to work at a law firm?
The image only says they have different opportunities as well. I'm sure the poor kid has access to their own opportunities like becoming a drug dealer, social workers with a heart of gold, and various types of grants and schemes.
>>78124064
kids from the top house will turn out to be liberals 90% of the time
>>78129236
did you know the chinese in this country started off with nothing?
and the mexicans?
and the irish?
and basically everyone else?
do you know why niggers never made it to the middle class like everyone else?
it's because of whitey. the democrats gave them welfare and an entitlement complex the size of new york.
>>78129236
Cry me a river. A poor kid has a school. He can excel at said school. He can do the American thing, which is write a moronically simplistic essay that brings a tear to the eye of the corn-fed midwesterner and forces an Ivy Leaguer to sigh and pay a little bit of attention.
End of the day, the game is rigged, but it's not that rigged.
>>78129561
Even if said school is 95% niggers?
>>78129426
I'm pretty sure the Irish and Chinese were doing better than blacks before Welfare became a real thing in the USA and before you stopped legally discriminating against black people.
I know it's trendy to say that the Irish and Chinese were slaves like the blacks were slaves, but get fucking real. What is the anti-Irish equivalent of the fucking KKK? Is there a Chinese Tulsa race riot?
I don't know. Maybe there is, I'd imagine you'd know more about US history than me.
BTW I wasn't arguing that blacks don't have opportunities. Not being American it's not something I really think about. I was just thinking about the underclasses in general.
>>78129693
You mean Yale?
>>78125880
>work hard and you can become anything
More like work hard and you still probably end up working two dead-end mcjobs amirite?
>>78129561
>A poor kid has a school. He can excel at said school.
t. man who has never visited an american public school
>>78125690
>Plus schools in the hood are absolute shit because the technology
nigger you dont need any technology to run a school.
well maybe if you wanna be super fancy and teach the kids computer science, then you need computers. other than that, teaching pretty much only requires a blackboard and chalk for the teacher, and pens and paper for the students. that's enough to get kids from being illiterate at 6 years old to being university ready at 16 years old.
>>78129788
if whites are so racist, why wasn't there a KKK equivalent for the chinese or the mexicans? surely its just the divine duty of whites to oppress blacks?
You should read up on the KKK they mainly intimidated niggers into not nigging. they didn't kill that many.
if anything we coddle our underclass too much with FAFSA, food stamps, welfare, section 8, and whatever of the other dozen programs to get companies to hire their lazy asses.
>>78128633
It's okay to be autistic, you were born that way and can't help it. Plenty of autistic people live happy, fulfilling lives.
>>78130135
>nigger you dont need any technology to run a school
But anon dont you know? Those rich schools with tennis courts and parking lots filled with hundreds of supercars are all conductive to learning
>>78126909
>Be a drop out.
>Make sixty Canadian dollarydoos per hour.
Seems like being lazy slackers has worked out pretty well for us.
>>78129561
I take it you've never been to a really crappy school where all your classmates were legitimate morons and criminals. If you have then it seems insane you think it's just as easy to excel in that environment as it would be in a nice middle class school where kids are doing their best. They might not have debate teams and college prep classes and cute little holidays to Washing DC.
Things run deeper than that as well. If you have unemployed parents who tells you how to get a job? Who even tells you what jobs there are and how to look for them? It's great having opportunities, but you do need to know they are there.
I don't even really get what you guys are arguing. Are you genuinely trying to conclude that rich people do not have more advantages over a poor kid with two parents that are addicted to crystal meth?
Is that really what you are suggesting?
>>78124064
Its not even legal to live in a house as shitty as that. It would have been condemned. Shit meme.
>>78130137
Is there any of you left in there or are you all troll now? You said the reason blacks hadn't done as well as the Irish and Chinese was just because of welfare.
I pointed out that blacks faced levels of discrimination in the 20th century that the Irish just didn't -- and from that you took "he's saying whites are racist!"?
>>78130297
it's much easier to excel at a crappy school than it is at a good one, actually. when everyone around you does badly, it's easier to stand out than when you're surrounded by geniuses.
also i'm suggesting that kid needs to stop bitching about it, he's boring everyone
>>78124630
>Wealthy people should not give their kids the best opportunities they can afford
>>78128633
I'm an INFP cuck and I really get what you mean about understanding the big picture and why you like Trump
>>78130609
>it's much easier to excel at a crappy school than it is at a good one
Did you really just put that thought out into the world? I guess you must be right because everyone is trying to get their little princess into the local nigger pit to boost her grades.
>>78130942
if they aren't, they should, especially with liberals running the world. i got singled out just for passing a fucking CPE exam at 98%. do you know what that is? for you, that's saying hello and goodbye. for a shitty croat school, that's apparently advanced english kek. Helped me get into Imperial. Basically i got in by virtue of not being a retard
>>78130609
>when everyone around you does badly, it's easier to stand out than when you're surrounded by geniuses.
You do have a point.
>>78124064
they might have had the same theoretical opportunities but as a practical matter the one who grew up in blight had a completely different social environment that likely included many ills and pathologies, different daily culture of lower expectations and less focus and less planning skills, and around a set of people with a lower IQ, and more likely probably fatherless meaning one parent in the house. Even though I am alt R and Nrx, and have a graduate degree myself, I readily admit to the facts stated because blaming the victim is not producing any change that has value to the individual or the community. OP makes a good point. Not denying the cultural marxism is the opposite of alt R. But to answer your question on how libs make it into a "fucking disease" is because of whig histiographies the libs subscribe to and that no alt R can hold. That means in this application that they see the natural evolution of a society as being toward enlightenment and liberal multiculturalism and feminism. And, by the way, saying something has logical fallacies --and nobody is saying otherwise than that they are omnipresent in holders of whig hoistoriographies -- actually proves nothing. Clearly, another item is that less gov't not centralized gov't and handouts cannot fix the discrepancy illustrated in OP's pic, and lead to further downstream effects that are deleterious. I have no doubt that well-meaninged responses were well meaninged from libs. But most incentivise totally the wrong outcomes, like more niglets produced by nigger sows payed for by handouts to perpetuate the poverty cycle.
>>78131179
How did being at a crappy school help you get 98% in a test? Surely the reason you got into Imperial (I'm guess that's not my Imperial or else you are definitely not poor) is because you got 98% on an exam and not because everyone else in your class was stupid.
>>78124064
We need a revolution or civil war tbqh senpai. Liberals are, at heart, just extremely stupid and extremely selfish people. That's why there are so many of them. We will never change them until they perceive following liberalism as threatening to their lives or possessions.
>>78124064
>Everything they accuse us of, they actually are. Everything they accuse us of doing, they actually do. Every logical fallacy they accuse us of employing, is actually exactly what they are doing. It's fucking weird. It's like self-projection. Is it a fucking disease
If you spend enough time studying economics, and the problems that can arise from various kinds of market manipulation, you'll realize that almost every liberal economic policy ruins a different part of their platform.
>minimum wage makes employers reduce low wage jobs, accept fewer low-skill workers
>regulatory policy increases barriers to entry, reducing competition
>currency manipulation devalues wages, increasing "living wage"
>>78132015
>revolution
I agree
not just the kind of you were expecting. Mine is more realistic
>>78124064
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Vote for Savage to be inducted into the radio hall of fame
>>78129561
School districts receive funding based on property taxes. Guess how good your school is going to be if you live in public housing in the hood.
>>78131814
I might also add to this --I forgot to say earlier--that obviously egalitarianism is a defunct concept too. It simply fails to work as promised. Restated, we want a world where opportunity extends to all but we know that fairness of opportunity does NOT imply equal outcomes so we should stop pretnding that it should it mean that. Most libs INCORRECTLY think that the suitable metric for measuring fairness is in the outcomes, rather than in the input stage. At R know that outcomes are disequal and inevitable, so gov't excessively trying to fix it at each and every juncture is a huge misallocation of resources.
>>78132188
Kek, nice one Atilla.
Enjoy being New Russia's Mongol wildlife sanctuary in 10 years or so.
>>78132188
>realistic
>everything will be sunshine and sparkles and rainbows forever if we just SHARE
>>78125154
There are more poeple like>>78124897 in Sweden. Only that most press and politicians live in those sheltered, rich areas.
>>78124630
i grew up in section 8 housing. i didnt have physical things like many other kids had but i was always fed and clothed and housed. and i stayed the path and now the government is paying me $6.5k a year just to show up to school and pass with a 2.5 gpa. the opportunities are there for the poor, you just have to put in some work.
>>78125359
lol I've met tons of INTJs and that doesn't really describe any of them.
>>78124064
This.
Tried arguing with some liberals:
I make a claim and give examples.
>You're generalising.
I give the stats:
>Stats are fake and only go back 200 years. What about the crusades?
I show videos:
>How do you know that they are who it says they are?
In a way, they are kind of like us, thinking that the media is collectively right-wing shilling.
This is what was going through my mind...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4kHiUAjTvQ
>>78125690
If the school system in the hood is so bad, get out. I grew up poor and didn't want to go to a shitty school so I worked my ass off and got a scholarship to a private high school. Going to college was the same story. If you come from a poor background and you get into a decent to good school, you are basically paid to attend with the amount of financial aid they provide. Being poor is not an excuse for anything
I was a leftard briefly in my younger years and have a bit of perspective on the misguided fuckers. Theres are two distinct varieties of diehard leftist. The first is fully absorbed by hivemind and requires a leftist ideology to function in his social circle and need constant leftie circlejerking to feel comfortable. These people are walking, talking doublethink and tend to be the most violent because they need to reaffirm their ideology and soothe their cognitive dissonance.
The second type is the kind of leftists who believes sincerely that forcing his enlightened revision of Marxism down everyone's throats will make the world a better place. He blames himself and not his idealogy for any lost arguments or any facts not adding up and will always come back with a new argument or a new set of mental gymnastics because to him logic and reason are of secondary importance at best, what matters to him is "winning the revolution".
>>78128431
>>78128568
>he made many financial mistakes learning how to wipe his ass and fuck
>>78128633
Fuck me, this.
>INTJ
>grew up in shitty housing commission to single mother, father was never there
>debt collectors banging on our door every day, druggies coming over all the time
>forced into local schools with pompous rich pricks, couldn't find even a single thing to talk to them about
>drop out at 15, start work
>immediately excel in work when i consistently had bottom of the barrel grades in school
>never graduated
>now pulling 87k in a local investment firm, should be pulling 110k or so in another 2-3 years
I'm absolutely piss poor at examinations and book learning, but everything clicks when I'm put into a situation where I have to learn on the fly.
I can't explain what I've learned, I never have been able to. Everyone else I meet needs a graph or a lot of explaining to get something where I can just look at it, model it in my head, then work with it.
>>78132873
>private high school
No, not everyone has those chances. Your experience is not representative of the whole.
Working? Yes, everyone can work hard with the right mindset. This scholarship "Just go to a private school/High end college brah! It's easy brah!" bullshit is the exact reason actual poor people see you as an entitled fuckhead.
>>78132873
People like you are the worst. You readily acknowledge that it's unfair for impoverished kids, but you don't want to change it because you had to work really hard. So why shouldn't all the other poor kids as well?
Not that anyone believes people like you when you say you 'grew up poor'.
>>78124064
I've had success by agreeing with them in small ways to build trust while also disagreeing on some things, I can't always get through but if you can even cast a seed of doubt, then you've won. The closest you can get to an agreement on something, anything, the better.
Alot of these liberals have some ideals that align with even radicals on /pol/, us those to open them up.
>>78131855
Holy fuck islmabub how hard is it to understand he lacked competition in class thus he stood out with minimal effort. 10/10 made me reply
>>78126090
Sounds like me, I was a typical working class Labour voter. Now I don't support any party, and I have become more socially conservative. Real life experience has shown me that some people are just bad and that it has nothing to do with their upbringing. Also that stupid people tend to have stupid sibling, and the same is true of brighter people. The blank slate is a myth, and upon this myth a lot of progressive dogma is built; it is simply not true.
>>78127089
I don't know if you should be dazzled, but there are people with Masters degrees (granted, most of them in sociology and wymyn's studies) who don't make that much.
>>78124064
One of penants of the Frankfurt School was denial of objective reality, in favour of emotion politics.
They have it so deeply ingrained that no amount of empirical data will convince them - after all, they are terribly adept at denying the undeniable and proposing the illogical, feel-good alternative.
>>78124064
>it's like everything is reversed. Everything they accuse us of, they actually are. Everything they accuse us of doing, they actually do.
>Is it a fucking disease?
No, it's basic human psychology.
People who feel guilt are usually are guilty. Social justice offers them not only a way to repent but instant partial absolution at the same time, as in theyre shitty not because of their own shortcomings but because of what they are (cis white males).
So is the dissonance resolved, hating their own group for your own flaws, and putting them on a warpath against their own. It's projection.
To finally acquire full redemption they must cuck themselves out of existence, by imprinting their sins onto others and dragging decent people down where only they themselves belong.
>>78130135
>you can teach mathematica/matlab without a computer.
>how to use basic Microsoft formats
>how to access databases
These are things they expect you to know. It just makes me feel even worse since soon they'll be expecting everyone to know how to use a 3-d printer, or quantum computer. The next generation is well and truly fucked.
I'm not saying poor people shouldn't have to work hard, that's just the hand they were dealt. But its almost criminal the amount of shit they graduate high school not knowing. And they get fucked fast when they go to college/universities.
