>Space communism
>everything is solved through talking and practically holding hands
>multiculti crew and token minorities everywhere
>giant ass flagship of the fleet that is used primarily for research
>shitty same unisex clothes and
>weapons come only in matchbox size (fazors) and have "stun" mode
Its set several hundred years in the future where shit like that should work
They have literal magic that can print ANYTHING they need out of nothing. Socialism maybe could actually work if you could press a button and have infinite food, infinite clothes, infinite everything.
I'd also quite like to see a star trek reboot where they go around calling exterminatus on worlds they discover because they have primitive life that might one day become a threat.
>>78079226
Well yeah.
tng was one of Timothy McVeigh's favorite shows
>>78079226
Basically they have free energy and can turn energy into matter.
Cross species tensions often crop up and if they are part of Starfleet and the Federation, they get told to stfu and conform to Starfleet standard
The flagship is armed as fuck and one of the most powerful vessels in known space
Picard on Borgslims
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms_WY0s_1XM
>>78079226
Old SciFi writers like Roddenberry and Clarke did not write multicultural propaganda
In fact their version of multiculturalism was very admirable
>>78079226
eh
it was a future utopia show
yeah it was multicult/race but notice they were all smart and hard working
its a wishful what could be dream compared to the real world where blacks are lazy and dumb and human contact with intelligent aliens would be pretty scary since there's no telling if we could get along well enough to coexist much less work together on a ship
We have travelled 100,000,000 light years to bring you communism, pogroms and multiculti.
It didn't really work for us but you alien freaks might like it.
>>78079226
i'd be all for communism in a post-scarcity society
who are the borg? for 1000 alex
>>78079226
>No Muslims (except Cardassians)
>No Jews (except Ferengi)
>>78079226
If you actually watch it there is constant conflict amongst various fuckers.
Shiiiiiiit, you know the best part is always when you here the angst ridden last resort phrase of "fire everything!"
It's way deeper than that
Science fiction as well as all of NASA is brainwashing to get you to accept not only one world government but the idea that aliens exist at all and aren't demons, and promote technology as "freedom" rather than slavery.
>>78079226
Quite the contrary
Races live only with their own unless at work
Standardized clothing
Militaristic control
Only the strong survive
Prime directive is to not interfere
Yeah totally commie bullshit. It's fascism at its finest
>>78080437
Free energy is a lie to make man think he can become God on earth.
>>78079226
>Space meritocracy
>everything is solved through mutual understanding and respect for each others issues, instead of forcing everyone to conform to an alien way of life
>the federation isn't a military organisation, and yet their ships can stand up to the purpose built warships of incredibly militaristic races
>they wear the same uniforms
>phasers are enough to completely disintegrate things as well as being able to stun, they can also generate heat. They are multipurpose tools. They also come in rifle form.
>>78079226
>why doesn't Star Trek have any gay, bi, or trans people??
>forgetting Odo
>forgetting Dax
>forgetting that its the future and mental illnesses have been cured
>>78079226
Basically how things should be:
>outsiders integrate and adapt into singular culture of Starfleet (even aliens!)
>no money no nasty banking shenanigans (Ferengi of course)
>people work to better themselves and explore
>policy of no tampering with outside cultures
Sadly in the real world people are simply too corrupt and selfish for such a society to function
>>78079226
TOS is better
>>78082150
its easy to have a skewed vision like that, as all of the Star Trek series have been about the military of the era
>Against space communism
>>78082409
Are you defending the misinterpreted idea that tng is some commie utopia?
Watch it again
>>78079226
>religious conflicts are always about what color shirt to wear or how many days it took for the world to be made
Is this Star Trek why liberals think Islam is just like Christianity only brown?
>>78082645
it is a commie utopia. its also meritocratic and as you said, run by an elite group.
the Maquis(sp) are the prime example of this, as they are persecuted for leaving the federation
>>78082048
Bejor was based Kurds.
>>78080437
>dat picard
#voteleave
#britainfirst
>>78079226
No because in order for Star Trek's society to work morals need to be deeply ingrained - exactly what is lacking in the modern world.
>fazors
Phasers, you in bred.
>>78082298
you can't compare those 2 to humans
Odo is genderless non humanoid creature
Dax is a symbiot and is genderless, the host bodies do have a gender
>>78082298
and you know whats funny bout this, they don't give a shit about there sexual identity, the characters are not defined by it.
>>78079226
It's really a meritocracy with a gigantic social safety net.
What's never really described in Star Trek is that 90% of the population must be NEETs. They stay at home consuming media, playing video games, jacking off, withdrawing into their virtual reality programs & holosuites, and contribute absolutely nothing to society.
But if you're driven, if you're talented, if you're smart, you can be a starship captain. You can see the galaxy. You can colonize new worlds. The sky is the limit.
It's also shown that not very many people reproduce. Crusher has 1 kid. Worf has 1 kid. Sisko has 1 kid. Obrien has 1 kid. And that's all that I can think of.
Huge families are not the norm so the population of TNG era Earth might be smaller than it is today.
Really there's a LOT about Star Trek human society that isn't really talked about or expanded upon.
>>78082879
It's a series of isolationist fascist regimes who coordinate and work together
A true utopia. There is nothing Marxist about the federation and its outliers
>>78079226
>Humans & the Federation=EU
>Klingons=Muslims
>Vulcans & Romulans=Christians (A house divided)
>Cardassians=Russians
>Ferengi=Jews/Capitalists
>Borg=Globalists
>Augments=Terrorists
Classical liberalism not sjws.
>>78079226
Star Trek only works because it is a fantasy universe where matter/antimatter reactions release several times the energy they do in real life, and replicators can create energy.
Without total bullshit science, the world of star trek is fundamentally impossible.
>>78083303
klingons are Mongolians.
Augments are Muslims.
starfleet - america
suliban - arabs
klingons - chinese/orientals in general
vulcans - EU
romulans - Warsaw pact nations
borg - japanese
ferengi - jews in general
cardassians - israel
bajorans - palestinians
andorrans - turks
did i do good?
>>78079839
>They have literal magic
what is 3d printing.
>out of nothing
says who? When you have FTL travel resources aren't very scarce.
>>78083303
Klingons aren't Mudslimes, klingons have a concept of honour.
Cardassian are Mudslimes because they are sadists.
Compared to the shit on tv these days, game of feminists? sigh, tng is awesome
>>78083463
Borgs are sjws.
I'm a big fan of Star Trek but space communism is obviously just a TV fantasy. Space communism cannot be attained by scarcity being eliminated through the use of replicators and incredible amounts of energy. If that were how economics worked, we would already be there, since virtually no people work with the things that virtually the entire population worked with just 200 years ago.
The presence of scarcity is even apparent when you watch star trek. Some people are captains of giant spaceships, others work as redshirted ensigns. The computer can obviously take care of the whole ship by itself, so why is it that not everyone has their own spaceship? Why is this something that is only afforded to starfleet captains? Oh, that's right, there are also those who work as civilians, with stuff like transport. Tell me, what do you think they're being paid in? Do you think they fly their old cargo ships full of dilithium just for fun?
Space communism isn't even a coherent idea when watching the star trek series, and it sure as hell wouldn't work in reality. Great scifi shows though, under the suspension of disbelief.
>>78079226
>Space communism
They get the hull defuckulated at a giant space carwash thing in one episode. Commerce is an integral part of Star Trek, the Federation is just a postwar economy.
>>78083461
Augments are terrorists because they were created by the government
>>78079226
>Space communism
There is no economy. They are post-scarcity
>everything is solved through talking and practically holding hands
>giant ass flagship of the fleet is used primarily for research
They're all free to do what they want and have unlimited space, time, and resources to pursue their interests. Only the Federation forces deal with inter-species conflict, and it usually ends violently or at least aggressively. A show of force, then a resolution. They are space police at peace time otherwise. They do what navies always do during peacetime: go on expeditions and patrols
>multiculti crew and token minorities everywhere
niggers relegated to tinkering and shooting, whites command and operate advanced technologies, asians and gingers do health 'service' work
>shitty same unisex clothes
a military wearing uniforms? oy vey
>weapons come only in matchbox size (fazors) and have "stun" mode
phasers almost always set to kill, can melt through foot thick steel in seconds
it's pretty racist if anything.
>nigger race are violent space africans
>jew race are constantly made fun of
>women are universally naive and useless
>>78082879
They're persecuted for killing people and possibly causing war with the cardassians not "leaving the federation" as you put it.
>>78079226
And yet its creator was a serial philanderer and greedy bastard.
>>78083514
3D printing is good for exactly nothing. The replicators in star trek create energy. That's impossible, bro.
>says who? When you have FTL travel resources aren't very scarce.
FTL travel is impossible. It violates causality.
Inb4 your god of the gaps retort.
>>78083749
>There is no economy.
They are people flying around buying and selling stuff throughout the series. Stop the bollocks.
>>78079226
>>78083864
>causality is 100% correct
>we totally didn't invent dark energy and matter to keep a jewish physicist's theory alive despite mountains of evidence showing something different
>>78082298
Remember that third gender from TNG. Progenitors or some shit. Whole episode was about how they're discriminated against. It seemed like Riker was going to bang the creature throughout the whole episode.
>>78084033
Yeah yeah, tell me all about how the earth is flat.
>>78083864
>the replicators in star trek create energy.
No they dont, they use energy to reorganize already existing matter in the area of the replicator into new forms.
> That's impossible, bro.
>he thinks the universe is a closed system and you cannot create more energy than what is here already
top public consumption physics friend.
>FTL travel is impossible
lel, there was just a thread on this board today talking about why that isnt true.
>>78082208
Leftists think they're the Federation when they're actually the Borg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maRtBae-cYI
>>78083244
>What's never really described in Star Trek is that 90% of the population must be NEETs.
Star Trek humans are not real life humans. They have evolved mentally.
To get to their Star Trek state, they:
>Went through a period where civilisation basically collapsed
>Had WW3
>Fought an incredibly brutal and bloody Eugenics war that almost destroyed them again
>Went through a paradigm shift
Picard elaborated in one of the earlier episodes that humanity has changed and that the desire to better oneself replaced the selfish consumerism of the past.
Basically, Most humans will be pursuing goals they are genuinely passionate about. it's why so many in the series have a million hobbies, because that's how humans are in Star Trek. personal betterment is at the core of their being.
>>78082117
So that means WH40k is the redpill of sci fi?
>>78084121
Commander. Tell me about your sexual organs.
>>78084139
>le reddit pop science
Go back to religion.
>>78084123
earth isn't flat. but the theory of relativity is shaky at best nowadays. we broke the light barrier about a year ago. by a billionth or a second or so, but its there.
the math is correct, but the numbers plugged into it are wrong
>>78082194
do you realize how many stars there are? Enough for essentially unlimited energy
>>78082117
>and promote technology as "freedom" rather than slavery.
technology isn't inherently good or bad meaning it could be a source of freedom rather than slavery if used that way.
>>78082305
I think with the proper upbringing it would be possible to get people get there. I mean there are (were) islanders that were peaceful and not really corrupt.
>>78083864
>That's impossible, bro.
mass is energy, that means its theoretically possible to go the other direction and turn energy into mass.
>FTL travel is impossible
that's not necissarily true. Space-time can move as fast as it wants, so if you moved it around your ship you could move FTL. Think of it like a wave of space-time behind you and a hole in front of you that causes you to move forward.
>>78084347
>he doesnt read books
>he thinks the universe is a closed system
>he isnt even aware of research done in the 20s that prove him wrong
Tell me more of your public consumption science friend.
>>78084308
40k is actually a satire of 'redpill' if anything.
>>78083794
Roddenberry also cheated on his wife
>>78084324
kek, that's the one.
>>78084121
It was a society that enforced genderlessness.
One of them identified as a female, which was forbidden on her planet, and fell for Riker.
Riker actually fell for her too.
Her SJW government forcibly reeducated her into being a bland genderless freak again.
>>78084121
Riker fucked everything. He would have fucked the wormhole if he could have got near with without triggering the mechanism.
>>78084209
>personal betterment is at the core of their being.
it really wouldnt be that hard to shift to that mindset.
>>78083738
sounds like jews and govt bringing in Muslims
>>78079226
star trek is space fascism, military government based on service with state issued currency
>b-but they are liberal faggots
they only act like liberal faggots as a soft power, realistically they kill anyone who doesnt conform to their ideas and aggressively expand across the galaxy
>>78079226
I like Romulans
>>78084369
>the math is correct
>the math is corrrect even though they are based on Maxwells edited equations that dumbed the concept down so far that scalar vectors are totally ignored
>the math is correct
Jesus fuck.
The math is flat out wrong.
>>78083911
>no scarce resources for anything but space travel
There is effectively no economy. There's near limitless energy, they can print anything they want with just energy, teleport, and have 100% realistic simulations for entertainment on the cheap. No humans outside the Federation have to have a job. There's a colony for every type of person, and so on. It's as post-scarcity as you can feasibly get, and communism is based upon the concept of scarce resources.
The only transactions they do are with capitalist societies like with the space jews, and they only want the GOLD pressed latinum
more on the klingons:
>race of niggers with constant frown and tiny brains
>animalistic and cannot control emotions or instincts
>women are manly horny sluts
>grunt and have dirty, impoverished technology
>strategy is to be a stealthy nigger with cloaking and mug people with powerful weapons
>pretend 'we wuz kangs' when they're dirt poor and have an empire of dirt
>always told they're wrong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edflm7Hh3hs
They are space niggers in the most insulting sense
>>78084519
not that anon but what research are you referring to? Sounds very interesting
>>78084493
It's a faaaaaake!
>>78084369
>earth isn't flat.
Hey, you can't say that while shitting on relativity. You "can't prove" that the earth is round any more than i "can prove" that ftl is impossible.
This is what refuging in solipsism gets you.
>that's not necissarily true. Space-time can move as fast as it wants, so if you moved it around your ship you could move FTL. Think of it like a wave of space-time behind you and a hole in front of you that causes you to move forward.
You do know that alcubierre's thought experiments on warp drive are rhetorical and not meant to be taken seriously? Do you think schrodinger actually had a n experiment with a cat that was half alive and half dead too?
Fucking reddit science has made the whole thing into a pseudo-religious joke.
>>78079226
>practically holding hands
Did you even watch the show?
Do they even have fun in your country?
>>78079226
Also
>le exotic alien women with big tits, and weird skin
>>78084626
>>78084626
Riker is a cool guy
>>78084519
>nonsense that cannot be tested
Keep reading the bible.
>>78084123
>earth is flat
>ships gradually disappear into the distance with the top being the last visible part for no reason
>>78084740
Gabriel Kron.
>>78084865
I didnt know the bible makes use of tensor calculus or scalar vectors included in normal vector equations. Pray tell when did that happen you historically illiterate idiot?
>>78084493
>furious Romulan senator
>(Garak bombing shuttle not shown)
The ultimate false flag.
>>78084121
Fucking Riker. The dude got mad pussy and even made me blush at times.
https://youtu.be/Oxjd1M_BSu8?t=41s
https://youtu.be/ZUxRgtlMxrM
>>78085014
So the likelihood of something is directly proportional to how easy it is for you to understand?
>>78083015
Loved the character story arc for Kira, she's a crazy terrorist but portrayed as a war hero on the show, rofl. Bombing hospitals and slaughtering Cardassians since she was 9 years old.
the new series better not be inspired by current trends and pop culture
>>78079226
And no muslims in sight. Sign me up.
>>78085172
isnt the captain a negress?
>>78085035
>I didnt know the bible makes use of tensor calculus or scalar vectors included in normal vector equations. Pray tell when did that happen you historically illiterate idiot?
No, your logic is no different than someone who is devoutly religious. It has nothing to do with the bible itself. You're using the god of the gaps argument for science.
Have some fucking integrity.
>>78079226
>Slavshit wanting war destruction wherever he goes
Not surprising at all.
>>78084616
yeah watching the episode nowadays just shows you want all the gender mainstreamers want for the future.
>>78085270
>I have never heard of Gabriel Kron before or even read his work, but I can assure you that you are wrong.
well I better tell my bosses then that some random person on the internet who likely doesnt even have a degree in tensor calculus much less quantum chemistry knows more about my field of study than myself. I dont want them wasting money after all.
Stay retarded and willfully ignorant about the world around you though.
>>78085145
What else would even explain that? Also yes that's occam's razor for you. Typically the least complicated answer is correct
>>78079226
Picard knew how to keep order between races, not something any irl Anglo politicians can ever accomplish, but Slavs can.
>propaganda
>space communism
>implying that humanity wont just drop capitalism once science takes the lead on governments and scarcity disappear
>>78083598
Interesting, but I think it can easily be achieved with post-scarcity. In the trek universe, they say that the drive to work is no longer dependent on the acquisition of wealth... minor forms of scarcity will still exist, but nothing you need.
>Transportation - Free anywhere
>Food - Free
>Material Goods - All free if willing to accept replication
>Land and housing - This is still semi-scarce, but by being a multi-planet species land itself is not scarce. Only location would be scarce.
I think what drives people to work is the acquisition of power and the drive to progress oneself and the species - with aliens terrarianism would elicit a lot of drive... in the same way communism did to the US in the 60s.
I think its completely possible, but only if scarcity is mostly eliminated -- it could never be completely eliminated but I think there is a threshold where people would no longer desire to work to squire things.
>>78079226
Federation is EU, created after great war(romulam war/ww2), union of older powers and rivals(vulcans, andorrans and those third things), bureocratic hellhole, nice blue colour, unity and diversity. Terran Empire is Third Reich, it shows how things could have gone.
>>78085172
I don't mind if it has some multi-racial crew. I just hope it stays true to the exploration theme instead of turning into some StarGate Universe drama with philosophical debates trannies n shit.
I remember that TNG episode who watches the watchers where Picard just shit on religion. I doubt the new series will go near a subject like that.
https://youtu.be/n6NPq_kPSUM
>>78085482
The same thing that allows you to imagine a situation in which FTL can exist.
I.E your imagination. You're willing to throw science under the bus only for things you want to be true.
But there is no dragon in your goddamned garage.
>>78084626
did you see that episodes where the Enterprise is being chased by some giant Alien blob and no one knows why until it gives birth to Rikers alien baby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIw690VGt70
>>78079226
You need to stop looking for politics everywhere, just enjoy the fucking show or don't watch. I could easilly brand the Mass Effect games as SJW but I don't because they're such phenominal games.
>>78085624
Why I have cuck flag, I'm in Croatia wtf?
>>78085234
TNG really didn't have a very good view of religion, I'd have to agree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6NPq_kPSUM
>>78079226
>I never watched the show
>1 post by this ID
Kill yourself
>>78083303
Augments are master-race Aryans, leaf.
Actually, it's pretty redpilled.
>WW3 destroys just about every government in the world
>society only recovers due to technological advancement, NOT political philosophy
>Replicators create a post-scarcity economy, NOT Marxism
>The Prime Directive, the central tenant of new human civilization is non-interference in the natural evolution of other cultures.
>Universalist ideologies (liberalism, marxism, abrahamc religions) are delegitimized as primitive and destructive
>sentient biodiversity is recognized as fact
>"different peoples are different and thrive under different systems" is common wisdom
>independent colonies are encouraged
>>78079226
>set in the future
>white people still exist
0/10 not realistic
>>78085758
>>78079226
REAL THREAD IS HERE
>>71114743
>>71114743
>>71114743
>>78084555
I mean if you consider its entire history leading up to the Horus Heresy, pre Spess Mehreens.
Humanity ultimately evolved scientifically to a near godhood stage while systematically wiping out any species it could not subjugate yet never really mixed with them. All of this was undone through the eventual reach of Star Trek level 0 scarcity society blowing up as the machine servant class rebelled. The Human Empires were laid low and then another powerful race murderfucked a demon god into existence and the result of their stuff up almost wiped out humanity from most of the galaxy. With many worlds and systems devolving into medieval level societies or worse. Earth itself was torn apart by feudal techno barbarian warlords and Mars shut itself off and basically began worshipping machines, in some meta all the smart people who went to Mars in our lifetimes spawned a culture of science worship devoid of meritocracy.
It took an almost god like figure to unite Earth and reconquer humanities lost territories while forcing a moral and societal structure over all else. All is undone when man, (primarch) abandons order, honour, humanity, to pursue selfish goals of servitude and hedonism under a religious figure. WH40k runs roughshod over Star Trek as it shows what happens after the eventual collapse of such a direction less society filled with neets.
>>78079226
>Thinking communism = liberal
Could you know any less
>>78085671
There will probably be slow, intricate romances to appeal to female viewers. I always sleep through those (Enterprise, Battlestar Galactica etc.)
>>78079226
If you stuck to Capitalism in a world where infinite free energy and replicators exist, the people who own the replicators and energy source would live like gods while everybody else lived like starving preindustrial peasants
It isn't Communism as there are no human workers. It's basically just a really advanced zoo habitat for humans where machines provide whatever they want. But for some reason people choose to better themselves instead of getting fat as hell and dying at age 30 from heart attacks induced by holodeck orgies.
>>78085708
I prefer this episode with the Borg, excellent story strand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtmbzJNPsaQ/watch?v=jtmbzJNPsaQ
>in the fucking far future
>separate planets ofr different races
>black people and white people haven't been mixed into one mulatto race
>humanity in space and the dominant power
>space jews are very weak in comparison
This is not the jewish dream
Reminder that this show started in the 80's and ended over 20 years ago.
>>78085468
>quantum """chemist"""
desu my major was stat mech which is no better
>>78084324
>not image.jpg
>no quotes.
>period instead of comma
Fucking faker.
>>78085966
FUCK FUCK FUCK ITS HERE ACTUALLY
>>>/tv/71114743
>>>/tv/71114743
>>>/tv/71114743
Am I still swedish? Where are the bulls?
>>78086003
Liberalism and Libertarianism two different things
>>78083015
Bajor is shit.. they're always bitching about "muh 60million" but the cardassians were on their planet for like 50 years. Then when space refugees come in and want to settle on Bajor they tell me to fuck off. And after everything the federation does for them, the Bajor And don't want to join.
Bajor is the future villain of trek. They're gonna go on a jihad.
>>78084738
Klingons are literally Mongols m8.
But yeah, the reason why people use gold pressed latinum is because it's incredibly hard to replicate (in fact I think it might be impossible at all), and the federation only uses it when they have to trade with non-federation races. Even then, they prefer a trade of knowledge or technology.
>>78086162
>he has never heard of quantum chemistry
Merkel has a PhD in this field of study.
>>78086188
I'm working from memory mate I'm not that sad git from /tv/ kek
>>78079226
TOS was made in the 60's. Shit like the Cold War and Civil Rights Movement really rose tensions. People were worried that eventually the US and USSR would get into nuclear war, and that blacks may never be treated as equals.
Star Trek was made to give people hope. Hope that true equality would come, that the Cold War would end and Humans would survive, and become united together in space.
TNG and other Post-TOS Trek shows fucked this up. They started getting really liberal, and the Federation also got really hostile. What was meant to be Humanism turned into Fascism. The UFP would always break the Prime Directive to teach primitive cultures about "equality" when they broke their number 1 law.
>>78086346
exactly. The only scarce resources are knowledge and technology.
about the Ferengi:
>Greedy liars obsessed with gold, debt, loan sharking, and other such usury and general jewry
>Identifiable by an enlarged facial feature that extends across the entirety of their face
>snort and snivel constantly
>constantly rubbing hands
>always hunched over
>key tactic is always trickery
>obsessed with crony capitalism
>entire life is devoted to gold (pressed latinum)
>love groping and fawning over women
>heathenistic and have no morals
>play the victim falsely and demand reparations consistently
might as well have had /pol/ design them
>>78085911
You missed out where they banned eugenics not out of SJWism, but because it caused a literal eugenics war that almost destroyed them and gave birth to the likes of Khan.
>>78079226
>star trek is liberal
No shit. You're about 20 years late to the meeting.
>>78079839
Replicators don't make shit out of nothing man. They draw from storage tanks that hold basic elements. They fill these tanks by using vast amounts of power to break down things. They then use even more power to re-arrange those elements into the object you desire.
Did you never watch voyager where they had to ration all that shit out, and sometimes not use it at all when they were too low on power?
>>78082117
So you are saying humanity is more likely to turn into The Borg than the Federation?
>>78086557
i dont understand how such a show could have been even aired. If today they would try and pull some of this stuff it would get shut down I mean they weren't even trying to hide it were they? everyone on set knew the Ferengi were the space Jews aswell. I guess the 90s really were the last good decade.
>>78086557
The Rules of Acquisition always make me kek
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition
>>78086919
They also recycle people's shit into their food, let's not forget that.
Wastes are broken down into base elements and the replicator uses those to produce things
>>78080678
>Old SciFi writers like Roddenberry and Clarke did not write multicultural propaganda
Roddenberry was a shit writer and didn't write for Star Trek though
>>78086557
they are the space jews
>>78085553
>Transportation - Free anywhere
>Food - Free
>Material Goods - All free if willing to accept replication
>Land and housing - This is still semi-scarce, but by being a multi-planet species land itself is not scarce. Only location would be scarce.
Here's my issue. We're already at this stage. All these things are virtually free today in the western world. Where's the communism?
And if your response is "well these things aren't actually free...", then when do you think they are? If they're 1/10 of the cost today? 1/100? Look back a hundred years and these things will be orders of magnitude more expensive. When does something become free?
>>78086548
This is the only reason why I liked DS9.
It was the only series that had the guts to hint at the fact that the Federation would be nothing like the paradise all the previous ones depicted it as.
My favourite two quotes from Michael Eddington:
"I do my job, chief. Starfleet says to find the Maquis, I'll find the Maquis. They tell me to help them, I'll help them. My opinion is irrelevant. What matters to me is doing my job like a Starfleet officer. Anything else is an indulgence."
- Michael Eddington
"I know you. I was like you once, but then I opened my eyes. Open your eyes, captain. Why is the Federation so obsessed with the Maquis? We've never harmed you. And yet we're constantly arrested and charged with terrorism. Starships chase us through the Badlands and our supporters are harassed and ridiculed. Why? Because we've left the Federation, and that's the one thing you can't accept. Nobody leaves paradise. Everyone should want to be in the Federation. Hell, you even want the Cardassians to join. You're only sending them replicators because one day they can take their 'rightful place' on the Federation Council. You know, in some ways you're even worse than the Borg. At least they tell you about their plans for assimilation. You're more insidious. You assimilate people and they don't even know it."
- Michael Eddington
>>78087091
>recycle people's shit into their food
Like keeping a pig under the shitter.
Janeway is best captain. Repeatedly violates the primary directive. Murders left right and center. Tells every race who gets in her way to fuck off. Future self sacrifices herself to save her past self and get the crew home.
>>78086962
>Rule 109: Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack.
top kek
>>78086160
Kirk was bang space hotties in the 60s
>>78086548
I disagree with you on TNG. There are times in TNG where the only reason the interfere is because they directly or indirectly caused the problem, or because the population had already been made aware of their existence. They were willing to let crew die to keep the Prime Directive.
TNG is Liberal but logically so for a post scarcity depiction of humanity. They are basically a pure meritocracy. Picard is the embodiment of individual rights.
>>78082117
>>78086948
It's funny because the hardcore jew producer Alec Berg was always trying to counter Roddenberry, who knew about the jews. As soon as Roddenberry died, Ferengi almost never appeared, and the only remaining prominent one was DS9's Quark, who whitewashed of many of those jewish traits for the most part (with some notable exceptions in Voyager)
>>78087279
>stranded her crew on the far side of the galaxy to save a race that was already doomed
>>78086678
That too. It's probably not far off from what will happen when the Chinese tell us to fuck ourselves and start making 150 IQ big dicked giants.
>>78086063
Until someone decided to give the lower classes a little bit of free energy and replicators, then they'd have their own free energy and replicators and can create them ad infinitum. It'd be like a torrent swarm.
I'd imagine that the only real rarities left would be land and location.
>>78079464
fpbp
Hundreds of years from now we won't have a choice. This is where the future is heading whether you like it, or not
Of course we can't really make the whole socialism thing work until some one invents replicators.
Star Trek is fucking awesome, and gives me hope for the future. You're literally cancer Croat.
>>78086063
>the people who own the means of production live like gods
How is this different from today?
>>78087222
Yeah. I forgot to add that they all wear a yarmulke type thing on the back of their heads and are all bald.
>>78087232
>we're already at this stage
We really, really, REALLY aren't even close. They're only capable of being like that because they're post scarcity.
>>78087256
You didn't get the point of those episodes, did you?
>>78087279
That was her biggest first mistake as a 'new' captain. From then on she gradually learned her lesson and tried to make up for it.
>>78087637
Only air is free.
>>78087256
Based post
>>78079226
Dude read some old Golden Age scifi books if you're so 'redpilled'. There's always sketchy stuff that wouldn't pass today.
Hell there was some story where an alien would free/subvert a culture/planet by materialising his gun shop in their neighbourhood and sell the citizens guns (they were forbidden to own them I think, a good story for 'muh gunz' Americans). I can't remember the full story or the name sadly.
There's another where a space-soldier returns to Earth only to find everyone is now gay and straight people are ridiculed.
>>78087790
at least until the carbon tax
>>78087091
If you can literally break something down to subatomic particles it's not shit any more.
Fish fuck in the ocean. I'm sure you still drink water.
>>78079226
>can't even spell Phaser right
>>78087232
>when does something become free
When it costs $0.
>Swedish intellectuals
>>78087279
shes female. women always fuck shit up.
>>78085035
>tensor calculus
>scalar vectors
>vector equations
What the fuck are you babbling about?
>Gabriel Kron
>system theory
>electrical engineering
>proved a logical oxymoron that the "universe" isn't a closed system
What the fuck?!
>>78086011
Not likely.
The new series is doing seasonal anthologies. Which means you get new characters and a new story every season. I'm betting on it being a horrible mistake because it leaves very little room for character development.
>>78087256
>we've never harmed you
They were a literal terrorist organisation performing hit and runs on federation controlled zones
>>78087279
Honestly, the only things I liked about voyager were Tuvok, 7o9, borg, and time travel.
Tuvok always seemed to be sick of being on the fucking starship with all these complete dumbasses. 7o9 was voyager data with a great body. Borg are just about the only interesting species out there other than the Q. Time travel is time travel, even if voyager handled it completely retardedly.
>>78079226
>he's never seen phaser rifles
>he's never seen Worf's purple space bazooka
>>78087851
Yeah this is why no one in trek cares.. but every meal was once feces, and before that it was boots, and before that a transistor for a tricorder, and before that shit again
If someone gave me a replicator, even one of the weak sauce models from ENT or TOS I'd use it all the time
>>78086339
I know, right!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5fIqJZsQlU
>>78088197
>Worf's purple space bazooka
i didn't know Worf had nudes
>>78087428
Nazi
>>78086339
>Bajor is the future villain of trek. They're gonna go on a jihad.
I can totally see that. I always got a really bad gut feeling even from most of the "good" Bajorans, like there was something in their society's hearts that shouldn't be trusted.
>>78088355
Perhaps it's the fact they're all religious fanatics?
>>78079226
its actually pretty redpilled. There was an episode where there was this asexual race of people who all thought it was cool to be asexual, and where heterosexual relationships were outlawed. was pretty cool actually.
>>78086339
>>78088257
>>78088355
What % of this is maymaying...?
>>78088245
this. they don't even wash clothes, just recycle them
>>78088115
Might be good if they do setting development, but I doubt they will.
Also, Enterprise has the best scene in all of Star Trek:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-_lrf44Gw0
>>78088115
They could follow a few characters through time as they serve on different ships. It's supposed to start after the movie Undiscovered Country and could theoretically stretch to Picard commanding the Stargazer. They could follow an ensign on say the enterprise B, have him as a lieutenant commander 12 years later in season 2, have him captain of hus own ship in season 3, get him killed in season 4 years later, follow some of his crew til you get to mister pickerd
That's what I'm hoping
>>78088163
wasn't there that based episode about those aliens that kept resetting reality and the Captain was Clarence Bodicker from Robocop.
>>78079226
Is a post-sacrcity society man. They literally mastered matter to energy, and energy to matter transfers so they can create virtually anything they could need or want. Space isn't an issue either since they can terraform planets.
Even then the actual economics has holes in terms of how/who they get dylithium crystals from and gold pressed latinum still seems to have value at least to some races. If it were actually put under a microscope it more than likely still wouldn't work as some resources re still scarce.
>>78083244
>Obrien has 1 kid
2
>>78079226
>I have literally never watched Star Trek before: The Post
>Space communism
Why wouldnt you have communism in a post scarcity society where everything is made in replicators and your ultimate goal is to better yourself and your species?
>everything is solved through talking and practically holding hands
So... by not being niggers?
>multiculti crew and token minorities everywhere
Once we make contact with other intelligent life in the galaxy, things like race will become irrelevant very quickly
>giant ass flagship of the fleet that is used primarily for research
Its supposed to be a vessel of peace, as they say multiple times in the series, but its also the most advanced ship in the fleet with alot of weaponry.
>shitty same unisex clothes
Theyre in uniform 95% of the time you idiot. Starfleet IS a military organization you know
>weapons come only in matchbox size (fazors) and have "stun" mode
They also have "maximum" settings which can kill to vaporize the target.
>>78088257
I SHOULD HAVE MADE THEIR PLANET INTO A GRAVEYARD THE LIKES OF WHICH THE GALAXY HAS NEVER SEEN!!!
>>78088245
>>78088454
>they don't even maintain shit
Yes they do. There's a number of things that do not get replicated ranging from reasons of impossibility/impracticality to sentimentality.
You don't replicate some ceremonial garb that is critical to your culture. They also cooked things by hand if they really really wanted the 'real' thing.
Replicaters not being quite the same as the real thing is a recurring theme in all star treks.
It could be as simple as everything tasting just that small bit stale even though everything is telling you it's the same.
>>78079226
The federation is the communist global super state that we all need to keep the Romulans at bay dont you think?
>>78087591
This is true, if there were replicators most issues would be solved
>Replicate the replicators
>>78087256
>Oh we're near enemy space?
>Nah, fuck it! The Federation will protect us!
>Wait, what do you mean you gave away the land that bordered enemy space? You can't do that! We live there!
>Rebellion!
Every other fucking episode of TNG was about dipshit settlers living on disputed zones thinking they had a right to it because they weren't harming anyone. DS9 just those episodes a faction.
>>78082116
>>78088450
No maymays here. I'm not even racist. Just a Star Trek fan.
>>78088406
They didn't all seem like fanatics, although the fanatics were certainly more overtly untrustworthy. It was something else in the case of the more "normal" ones.
>>78088715
Latinum is valuable purely because it is hard if not impossible to replicate. That is literally the only reason.
The federation still trades with non federation planets, in these instances they use either gold pressed latinum or goods the other party can't get easily.
Inside the federation, latinum is worth diddly squat.
>>78087459
theres an entire article talking about how he was an anti semite and all.
http://www.jewishjournal.com/opinion/article/my_jewish_trek
>>78082298
Roddenberry and Berman specifically said that sexual identity wasn't supposed to be a thing in the future
>>78088662
Annorax
>>78088450
Only a small percent. Watch the first season or two of DS9, which is a lot more about Bajor than anything else, and for your own opinion.
They destroy one of their own habitable moons, killing all life on it to make a power plant
They boycott the school on DS9 because they don't teach about Allah.. er the Prophets
They did all sorts of horrible terrorist acts during the occupation, but a parent the Card assigns were worse because they were invaders
>>78088841
>It could be as simple as everything tasting just that small bit stale even though everything is telling you it's the same.
I always thought it was a case of "every meal is exactly the same, prepared exactly the same and therefore is the same." Granted, a slight modifier in there would prevent it; like if the "recipe" called for 50 mg of salt, it could randomize it by +/- 5.
Obviously Earth had a complex economic system. It was like socialism, but not. You could still own property like Picard's vineyard or personal objects like Sisko's African collection.
>>78083514
>what is 3d printing.
Wake me up when 3d printers can make me a glass of scotch or a medium rare steak
>says who? When you have FTL travel resources aren't very scarce.
To be fair, its not out of nothing. If we can figure out how to travel faster than light speed, we're probably at a point where we have (near) infinite energy. It also helps that Star Trek humanity has largely stopped its pursuit of material possessions and have become what NEETs claim to be.
>>78088841
There's also things that are too molecular complex to be replicated, like biomimetic gel and dilithium crystals
>>78087665
Oh, I got the point.
The writers couldn't just go and criticize the Federation directly.
So they made the guy a villain, but they used him to say the things they really wanted to.
For fuck's sake, in that episode Sisko threatens to kill thousands of people and destroy an entire planet's ecosystem JUST TO SILENCE EDDINGTON.
I don't think there's anyone who watched that episode and wasn't on Eddington's side.
>>78079226
Implying everything you see on television isn't liberal propaganda.
>>78079226
>shitty same unisex clothes and
I think this is why I never got heavily into Star Trek. The costumes just looked really cheap and ill-fitting, and didn't really look like military uniforms or anything of the like.
>>78086919
Can you imagine the amount of semen you would consume on a ship that size full of different species mostly male.
>>78089584
Actually, practically all of it is leftist agitprop.
>>78089584
Nothing wrong with that as long as you can enjoy a story for the setting.
It's super future in space. It's neat even if I know the mechanics of it all are silly. There's a ton of shit in Star Trek that's outdated or sidestepped by current technology. It's not outside the formula that society would solve star trek's societal dilemmas better than the show would have predicted.
>>78088497
The MACOs were the best idea to come out of Enterprise. It only made sense to have them given that their starship was basically a rowboat compared to what they might find out there.
>>78087637
>>78087925
Well, it will never be completely free. Someone has to install the replicator. Someone has to mine the dilithium and ship it back, or send out the ship that does. There's always a cost. Perhaps the price is zero because someone else pays, but using that logic food and housing are free in Sweden since the government pays for it. In fact, you can get free food and housing in most of the western world, it will just be of very poor quality compared to what you're used to. The average person from the middle ages would consider it utter luxury though, just as you might consider the free housing provided by the federation luxurious. The average person in the 23rd/24th century would probably disagree. They think it's shit, and they're tired of an admiral getting the nice apartment while they're stuck with their shitty one in this supposed post-scarcity society.
>>78089584
>>78086339
> Then when space refugees come in and want to settle on Bajor they tell me to fuck off.
Bajor is literally Space Poland/Hungary/Romania.
Once a great power, scientifically and culturally on the decline and then fucked by atheist Cardassians (Nazis or Russkis), clinging desperately to their faith to help them through tough times.
Then comes the West, the Federation and they are both trying desperately to live up to the new Advanced Race, but they are also shocked and disgusted by their liberal ways.
And refugees can fuck off.
>>78089709
The uniforms of the officers on the relativity are actually pretty swag.
Granted everyone that's active duty on a ship would be wearing overalls/jumpsuits instead of some formfitting itchy looking shit.
>>78089179
>sexual identity wasn't supposed to be a thing in the future
Yeah all the characters, episodes, and themes coincidentally never tried to address the issue with any permanence. It's almost as if they were trying to appease people?
>>78088662
"Year of Hell" from Voyager.
One of, if not the best Voyager episode.
Strong plot, Kurtwood Smith was perfect in his phase-shifted chroniton particle emitting timeship that had erased entire civilizations and brought them back again all for the sake of the mistake he made that destroyed the colony at Kyana Prime.
>yes I'm ridiculous about Star Trek, I'm sorry
>>78090098
>pajamas
>swag
I think you meant 'cringy'.
>>78090033
Poles talk so much shit about Jews but they steal all their moves.
>>78088761
No, anon.
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>>78088977
>have replicator in my apt
>literally never have to leave my apt again
>>78079226
That's not true, they have rifles, they use them against the Borg all the time.
The thing is, they're explorers.
Heavily armed explorers, but not decked out for 100% combat.
The enterprise has heavy weapons for a reason.
>>78090098
*stands up from Captain's chair*
*pulls down ill-fitting costume*
>>78090262
>pajamas
Not sure what you're referencing.
>>78079226
>unisex clothing
>>78089972
Well, It's not communistic, unlike others say. It's a meritocracy. Its not "to each according to his need", its "to each according to his worth".
>>78090323
You will still need to power the replicators.
>>78089709
You may want to check out Enterprise then. They look a lot more like Navy crewman than dickheads in spandex pajamas.
They made it through a nuclear world war and then met aliens , would more than likely change how humans work. Can always go to a colony planet at the edge of space if you want what earth is like now.
>>78090450
Wasn't this only an issue earlier on though, when they made them out of spandex and they were basically one piece?
Later on they separated the parts and used actual fabrics and I don't remember much re-jigging going on.
>>78090470
tng/ds9/voy uniforms
>>78090577
I watched an episode and Scott Bakula's overacting was a bit too much for me.
>>78079226
Depends how you interpret it. The federation is pretty fucked up after tng. And they become a lot more militaristic and imperialist after.
Romulans were the most based race though.
>>78090779
No, it's vice versa actually.
Patrick Stewart wanted the spandex to be done with because his chiropractor told him it would cause him spinal issues in the future.
And, being the persuasive lead, he got his wishes and better looking uniforms were made luckily.
>>78090803
I was referencing a specific ship that was like 500 years into the future of their timeline.
>>78079226
only just figured that out?
>>78079226
star trek was the only example of socialism that works imo
if the future was like that it would be cool
but until we have protein sequencers and the like capitalism will suffice
>>78090577
Who the fuck are the three guys in the middle?
I've literally never seen them.
>>78089825
But actually there is something wrong with it.
By tolerating it for so long you've allowed it to shape the minds of millenia of generations. All the while they've been pushing their agenda getting ever more daring.
We've reached the point where their ideals for society have become a reality. Whereas once you had the luxury to ignore it, it's effects now pervade the very society you live in.
If somebody way back had said this shit is bullshit and tried to put a stop to it maybe things could be different.
A lot of people did though, but it never succeeded. The media always had their own backs and was always able to make thee bad guys seem like 'cool rebels' and the good guys like 'crazy imbred retards'.
Maybe there was no way of stopping them.
>>78091257
>there is something wrong with it because you allow it
You've shown me the light south africa. How long before you blow up the SA parliament?
>>78088143
Blarneys enjoy terrorism so long as it's white people doing it.
>>78091019
Oh, sozzle, I read it as 'relatively'. I need to go to bed.
>>78091251
They're actual Navy crewman serving on an aircraft carrier. It's a PR photo.
>>78090033
>>78090033
this is spot on desu
t.guy who is half pole
>>78086070
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dMOgnfNVQw
This one cracked me up as well.
>>78079226
>>Space communism
You don't seem to understand the consequences of being able to freely convert matter into other matter and fly around the galaxy at faster than light speeds.
>>78091333
i'll fight another day...
>>78090543
Replicate solar cell shades for your windows.
>>78079226
star trek is eugenics support with a thin veneer of socialist propaganda to lure in the liberals
all these different races and they all look to damn human. some are descendants of each other. related species .vulcan romulan ect shit. and they have stereotypical behavior. klingons are hot headed
notice in OP's pic you got 5 white people and 2 black. the lack of actual diversity is compensated by artificial diversity. 1 is a droid and 1 is a alien race... who acts like black people
its far from what liberals want but presented in a way liberals like. support for eugenics has grown in recent decades despite liberal bitching and moaning. we did it redit
>>78092057
Wtf am I reading?
The aliens look the same because of costume and makeup restraints you ninny.
Topkek.
>>78091333
but point taken and nice trips.
>>78085691
>You're willing to throw science under the bus only for things you want to be true
Im not saying it it possible just that it could be.
>>78089371
3d printing is in it's infancy and it's already pretty 'magical' give it 50-100 years.
>>78090118
you can count this episodes on a hand.
>>78083911
no scarcity within the Federation
space jews only exist because latinum can't be replicated for whatever reason
>>78092497
They never do actually tell anyone what latinum is good for other than being rare. I mean at least gold has value not only because of rarity but because it's also used in electronics like cell phones and flat screen televisions.
>>78079226
>Space communism
Only possible after the space free market built everything for them
>everything is solved through talking and practically holding hands
Except when it's solved by blowing shit up and shooting people.
>multiculti crew and token minorities everywhere
I'll give you that
>giant ass flagship of the fleet that is used primarily for research
Because the enterprise is a exploration ship the federation has plenty of battleships and fighters.
>shitty same unisex clothes
Have you seen Donna Troy?, Seven of nine? Not to mention that even in TNG the starfleet miniskirt still exists.
>weapons come only in matchbox size (fazors) and have "stun" mode
Those are not the only weapons and phazors can kill very easily.
You have never watched Star Trek have you?
>>78092497
post scarcity civilization
> fucking around in a spaceshit across the galaxy risking your life every day.
> not spending the rest of your life in the holo deck living out your wildest fantasies.
>>78079226
Their economic system works because they solved the basic problem of Economics, scarcity. Impossible in real life but since they have infinite resources, socialism can work.
Anyway that's never been the focus of the show.
