>secular morality
>sky wizard morality
>>78034023
At least it is defined
>>78033271
>religious superiority
>>78034572
>not an argument
>>78034023
>believing your own judgements are superior to the God whom created the existence you live in.
>it's a christcucks pretend that moral codes are exclusive to themselves episode
>>78034760
>believing any source of information in the world is representative of God's judgment
>>78033271
>he doesn't prove morality to be objective in a secular and rational manner
Top fucking pleb
>>78034904
Atheist have moral codes
They are just completely arbitrary
>>78035044
Ok prove it
>>78035130
So is your adherence to biblical rules and laws.
>>78035258
>So is your adherence to biblical rules and laws.
And you know this because?
>>78034928
God created the existence we have. He gave us free-will. You believe your own judgements on right and wrong are superior to what has been told by God through the Holy Scriptures and long before. If you don't hold yourself accountable to a higher being that has superior morality to your own, then you have no basis for morality apart from human judgement which is flawed, very flawed.
>>78035210
http://cdn.media.freedomainradio.com/feed/books/UPB/Universally_Preferable_Behaviour_UPB_by_Stefan_Molyneux_PDF.pdf
>>78035258
They're clearly defined tho. An atheist just makes and breaks morals based on his or her current mood.
>>78035482
>stefan
>speaking for the entire universe
Holy shit ozzies gotta get banned from this board on mass.
Morality comes from the ability to empathize. Religion has no monopoly on empathy. Some would say it has even less of agrasp on it than the secular world. [spoiler]And they'd be right.[/spoiler]
>>78035364
Because it's an ancient myth and you could have adhered to literally any ancient person or mythologies moral code and it would make just as little sense. You also cherrypick rules to follow, probably hate gays but don't adhere to the other arbitrary rules.
>>78035376
>Human judgment which is very, very flawed
Human judgment which is responsible for the oral tradition that carried the stories of the Bible for hundreds of years before it was finally written down by human judgment, translated by human judgment, organized by human judgment, cherry-picked by human judgment, and interpreted by human judgment.
All those flawed humans and you obey the product of their judgment without question.
>>78035558
Yet Christians cherrypick passages to follow and also are human so they falter on the morals they adhere to.
>>78035482
tl;dr
why is murder wrong?
>You have to believe in God to realize that actions have consequences
>You have to believe in God to have empathy and recognize that causing harm to people is wrong and also a detriment to yourself
>You have to believe in God or else you can't make decisions yourself
>still believes in dead kikes at the sky
middle ages ended long time ago, wake up
>thinking the a moral code created by an individual and not by authority can benefit a society
>thinking that a moral code that does not apply to everyone within a society is of any use
>being a megalomaniac
>>78034132
Strict rules about stupid shit doesn't mean it is "morality defined." There is nothing moral about not eating pork, nor nothing moral in shutting a menstruating women up in her house until she is "clean" again.
You're confusing blind adherence to relics with morality. They are not the same.
>>78033271
>>78034023
>>78034904
>>78035044
>>78035617
>>78035755
>>78035819
>morality
>>>/b/
>>78035621
>but don't adhere to the other arbitrary rules.
like?
>>78035704
I dont
>>78035617
>empathy
Stop being an emotional faggot
>>78035755
Good for you if you don't have to, but a lot of people needs to believe in God in order to understand Virtue.
>>78035861
>There is nothing moral about not eating pork, nor nothing moral in shutting a menstruating women up in her house until she is "clean" again
Yes there is God defines morality
If he says something is wrong its wrong
>(((religious))) morality
As arbitrary as atheist morality, at least in every religion that doesn't take their book literally and discards the bits that they don't like.
The religions that don't discard stuff are known for bombing buildings etc.
>>78035653
They were guided by God's hand to create and pass on tradition. I'm not saying the Holy Catholic Church is perfect in the beings that reside and partake in the traditions, but the formation, continuation, and propagation of the teachings of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior has kept on over 2,000 years. I think I have some validity in believing in a power that has kept my religion intact over this long period of time.
>>78033271
you're right, we need to be ordered by threat of eternal torture and damnation by a jewish sky daddy fairy tale to act like the moral, upstanding barbarians described in "muh bibul"
>>78035731
Just read page 73.
>>78036102
Where did jesus say to go around bombing buildings?
>>78035872
this
>>78033271
is goodness loved by the gods because it is good, or is good because it is loved by the gods?
>>78036187
>If murder is morally good, then clearly refraining from murder is immoral.
I never said it was good or bad
>>78035931
Do you refuse to wear different fabrics at the same time? Do you shave your beard? Do you eat pigs? Do you ever pull out? Have you ever worn expensive clothing or eaten shellfish? If you do any of these things, you're cherrypicking.
>>78036300
because it is loved by the gods
>>78036347
Those are laws for Israel and the Jews
I follow the Noahide code, God's moral code given to gentiles at MT. Sinai.
Do not deny God
Do not blaspheme God
Do not murder
Do not steal
Do not engage in illicit sexual intercourse
Do not eat of a live animal
Establish courts for the administration of justice
Best moral system I've come across, and allows for tailoring to the individual culture, while preserving rule of law, traditional family, religious freedom, and legitimate objectivity
DUDE THERE IS NO OBJECTIVE MORALITY LMAO
kill yourselves then
>>78036213
>(((Jesus))) is the only character in the (((qu'ran)))
I hope you realize I wasn't referring to the (((bible))), since its followers do discard anything they dislike.
>>78036452
So the old testament doesn't matter to you. Sounds like cherrypicking to me. You're disobeying God, off yourself christcuck.
>>78036517
No I like my life and enjoy it.
>>78036185
If time and stability is your measure of divine grace, why are you not Hindu? Their religion has been around twice as long as yours.
>>78036567
I never said it doesnt matter
I said certain parts of it do not apply to me
>>78036390
well that's just pissing on 2500 years of philosophy. Even Aquinas would be triggered
>>78036567
The New Testament tosses out the Old Testament. Disregarding the Old Testament is not contradictory. You're not helping your case waddling into these threads half-cocked and uneducated.
>>78036662
Right, you're cherrypicking. Thanks for proving my point. You lost and it's been fun.
>>78036474
How does the Noahide code define illicit? Is it just whatever your society considers wrong at the time?
>>78036790
How is that cherry picking?
Where in the bible does it say those laws apply to me?
>>78033271
>religifag intelligence
>>78036726
So then there's nothing wrong with being gay and the ten commandments don't matter, got it.
>>78036474
Includes up to the death penalty as a maximal sentence, and is what our country was founded upon, and was enthusiastically endorsed by Reagan.
http://m.chabad.org/therebbe/article_cdo/aid/142535/jewish/The-Rebbe-and-President-Reagan.htm
> Inb4 Jewish tricks
All objective morality comes from ethical monotheism. Prove me wrong
>>78034023
FPBP
>>78033271
>>78034132
>I'd do this bad thing if some book didn't say I shouldn't as I have no morality of my own.
>>78036604
>cherry picking my argument
Do I have to explain the universality of Jesus Christ and God? Do I have to explain the Hindu god's have always been related to the areas of India and Nepal?
Do I have to quote wikipedia: "Hinduism does not have a "unified system of belief encoded in a declaration of faith or a creed" While Catholicism does which emphasizes God's work, love, and salvation for this world?
Come on man.
>>78036875
That's right.
If you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, you are a good Christian and that shit really doesn't matter.
>So then there's nothing wrong with being gay
>Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"
> and the ten commandments don't matter
http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/ten_commandments-new_testament.html
>>78037003
Why is the thing bad?
>>78037008
So you're a catholic. I assume that you don't find raping little boys to be wrong yes?
>>78033271
Objective morality can't have an arbiter, or it's not objective. Thus all divine command theories are relative and arbitrary.
Enjoy your cosmic chore list, faggot.
>>78037147
(you)
>>78036040
>God defines morality
I think you mean old clerics in a desert, if you are referring to the Bible.
>>78037171
Ok and?
>>78033271
>it's another "tiny Christcuck minority has to be loud to stay relevant like all the other leftists" episode
>>78033271
The libertarian non-agression pact is good example of secular morality
>>78036942
Objective morality exists in Buddhism and Hinduism which are respectively pantheistic and polytheistic.
>>78037344
Ok but it is also beta faggotry
>>78037355
But does not Hinduism also recognize the oneness of divinity in their conception of Brahman?
>>78037431
Funny that you say it that way, considering that it's basically just the golden rule from the Bible :^)
>morality
>>78037797
If you follow the Vedanta teaching, yeah. You can find something similar in Taoism.
>>78035872
Egoist scum
go jump in a ditch
>>78037308
If you think morality can't be arbitrary, then god's bitch list isn't morality. It's just him making you his bitch.
If you think morality can be arbitrary, then you have a modal problem. Which translates into for any given set of morals X, X is not necessarily moral.
Either way, god's fake and your bitch list just makes you a bitch and not moral.
>>78037970
There ya go, there's some ultimate reality/God/oneness which gives force to any objective ethical code. that's what I like about the Noahide laws, is that the first law is merely to not deny God, not to adhere to any particular conception. Even an agnostic would be welcome to live by these laws.
>>78035617
Molarity stems from utilitarianism.
>>78033271
>atheist civilization
Hey atheists?
Does love exist? Or is it just chemicals/hormones in your brain?
I love this one. I asked some fag on Facebook who was viligantly posting anti-god stuff and he refused to answer
>>78037274
>Implying it was all written at once
The books in the Bible were written for over spans of generations. And the miracles they prophesied about, Jesus fufilled them. Do you know the probability of completing all 300 prophecies is?
>>78035872
>>78036216
>>78037949
post more of based spook man
>>78037083
And those teachings in the New Testament STILL goes against homosexuality.
>>78035376
This guy gets it.
>>78033271
>cuck morality
>>78035376
>God created the existence we have
>>78038435
>Hey atheists?
Hello?
>Does love exist?
Is that a joke or are you serious?
>Or is it just chemicals/hormones in your brain?
It's human instinct.
>>78038473
Probability of fulfilling vague shit, you mean? Quite high.
>>78039552
Way to dance around the question without actually answering it
>>78033271
actions>consequences it's pretty fucking simple m8.
