So how many leftists here, anyone from commies to social democrats.
(Also prepare for triggered right wingers to shit on the carpet)
Not many
Fucking neck yourself leftist scum
How did i know i would trigger a right winger like a SJW
>>78024485
>voting for race-mixing
>voting for cuckoldry
>voting for white genocide
>voting for social justice
Top quack
>>78025527
>HvKBb81D
Yeah, good one, too bad i dont support any of that bullshit, its the idea that matters, not who it comes from.
Also there is no white genocide, there is no genocide, there is a lot of white self guilt bullshit though, and it needs to stop, fucking regressives.
>>78025984
>neither me nor my ancestors worked as hard as you and your family, but I'm entitled to free money at your expense
Why? Is there a moral arguement or are you just a cheeky cunt?
>>78026301
Nothing free about taxes, im not big on the dole, its more healthcare and education, money should not be a factor in whether you live or die, it should also not be a factor in whether you are able to go to higher education (That should be related more so to your capabilities)
You did not earn the money or wealth of your inheritance , i believe in the individual over business, the individual is the one who makes the business money, not the other way around, hence strong labor laws being good for the working class.
You see, im not a regressive ass cunt, a slacktivist if you will, the economy is based on the working man, and not even the industrial or digital revolution changed that.
>>78024485
Gas yourself cumguzzling retard
>>78024485
I'm a communist but seeing modern "leftists" makes me feel more and more hate towards them. I don't even like being called leftist
>>78024485
>proceeds to shit all over the carpet
Treasonous swine.
>>78027106
Indeed these bloody regressives, and Fascists in fur coats (Fucking communist reddit groups have turned from communist to fascist, almost mirroring KKK behavior to opposition of their quotas, and new age segregation)
I respect for those communists who stand against the Third wave tyranny.
>>78024485
None you should gas yourself.
>>78024485
I love free stuff.
Leftist as in what /pol/ thinks leftist is or leftist as in economic preference?
>>78026757
>the economy is based on the working man
No the proprietor and the inventors are the ones who push the economy the working man is just the beast on which they ride.
>>78027348
I sure hope you are not implying hilary is left wing with that gif, that is a laughable proposition
>>78024485
i am greek
>>78024485
fucking Aussies, always with the some gay ideology with you faggots isnt it
>>78027337
Here it's still not so prevalent yet but you never know what the future will be. Funny thing is 99% of these groups aren't even Marxist. 0 financial and class analysis.
>>78027522
Without the man to build their house, bake their bread, and make their tables, well the proprietor cant do shit and have no purpose.
And the inventor is the working class
I really fail to see how anyone can be a Leftist in 2016. You'd think a century of failure would be enough for people to realise it simply does not work whatsoever.
But then again, Lefties were never too good at reality checks.
>>78024485
>triggered right wingers reporting in
>>78024485
Why out of all the places would you come to speak about leftism on pol - politically incorrect
>>78028002
>Century of failure
>>78028129
Because free speech is not strictly a right wing thing, its center if anything.
>>78024485
Marxist-Leninist checking in.
>capitalism good
>>78028263
I know. Still, if you look for people with similar views you should go to reddit or facebook groups. And if you want a debate you shouldn't attack right-wingers in the OP. Also how come leftism is politically incorrect? Could you shine some lights on that?
>>78028204
Lefty policies are why they live like that.
>baww you evil British racists have to leave baww
>>78028558
Kinda the point, its fun the rustle some jimmies once in a while, disrupt the abnormality of pol with this sort of thing.
>>78028002
Then by your logic you should be infinitely more confused about how anyone could be a national socialist in 2016
>>78028584
Of course. Because imperialism is benevolent institution.
>>78028709
>disrupt the abnormality
I don't know if you can call it growing if most of /pol/ unanimously agrees that communism is jewish garbage.
>>78028558
Reddit and facebook are full of normies and soft liberals. More concerned with "DUDE WEED" than economics and geopolitics.
>>78028584
Africa is still locked in the chains of neo-colonialism. France in particular still has huge influence in its former colonies. Imperialism never ended, now it's just done by stealth and with local bourgeois collaborators.
>>78028722
Identity politics will be identity politics, its a senseless circle lacking self awareness.
LOOKING FOR THE TEXT CONVO WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BERNIE REFUNDS PLS
>>78028872
>Africa is still locked in the chains of neo-colonialism.
Nah, nah my friend. Afica is locked in the chains of niggers.
>>78028935
You wont find that here Bernie is a spineless cunt, and he knows it.
>>78026757
Tell me why do you think most people from all former socialist nations are leaning to the hard right.
Why do you think all socialist and marxist economies failed?
Why did the single payer healthcare system fail everywhere except in countries where it was introduced after the a proper infrastructure was developed.
How come after the introduction of the minimum wage the living of life standard decreased in the U.S.
You should know one thing my friend: the U.S provided the world a free and functional system where innovation was introduced and adopted, where the standard of life increased and offered the rest of us a model that we could copy, adopt and imitate according to each nation's conditions. I am truly afraid that when the U.S will become socialist the world as a whole will start stagnating and regressing. I know from my country's history that a socialist system will be the end of the ever growing development of the human race as we know it
>>78029026
Well he is a leftie after all
>>78029028
Im not a commie, so thats not me area, the picture was there to upset some of you guys, im left wing, but im no commie.
>>78028872
>Africa is still locked in the chains of neo-colonialism.
>now it's just done by stealth and with local bourgeois collaborators.
Those 10s of billions of € we send are "stealth" right?
>>78024485
too many
>>78028722
That didn't fail as such tho. It was destroyed by hostile outside forces in a vicious war that mobilised much of the world against it. Leftism is literally failing because it is a failure. Unfortunately it is going to bring down the world around it. Starting with the West, the only worthwhile thing humanity has created.
Also, very few people are actually legitimately National Socialist so not really sure how it's relevant compared to the hordes of frothing Leftists that infest the planet.
>>78028872
Africa's problem is that it is full of Africans. Apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia showed that. It was better for everyone. Africans were fed, healthy, and had jobs, and Whitey wasn't being exterminated. Then the good ol' Lefties came along and shat all over everything so that now SA is an AIDS infested and corrupt shithole, while Rhodesia is starving to death under an ultra-racist dictator. Who is a Lefty funnily enough (just like Mandela).
OP what are your opinions on urban planning and housing?
Do you believe that the ideal is for families to live in detached homes on big lots, or do you believe that everyone should be forced into a Stalinist-style high rise?
What should be done about house price rises?
>>78029195
Foreign aid goes straight into the pockets of corrupt bureaucrats and local warlords to keep the flow of goods and resources to the first world. The old European powers can't pull off occupations and colonies any more, but they influence trade through biased deals like NAFTA.
>>78029174
left wing politics means turning towards communism at a slower pace not spanning multiple generations not a sudden armed revolution.
Most of the prevalent principles on /pol would have been considered hard line communism before ww1
>>78029026
No I mean the convo where one guy is saying it'd be fair that everyone is refunded their money, but the other person in the conversation says it'd be fair for the refund money to be divvied up among the contributors.
Bernie supporter replies with "but that's unfair".
>>78024485
>>78028751
>>78029368
Good, so we agree foreign aid is a waste.
Let's also agree that food aid murders their economy and literally breeds a horde of unimaginable size.
Also, Europe didn't gain all that much from Africa, nor did North America.
>>78029365
Well, what the market and economy require, im a left wing capitalist, housing is a complex issue, in large city areas governments should have more rights on expansions of industrial and residential areas, if a building must fall for a new road or train, well its for the cities sake, having a mega city would require some socialist action and collectivism.
Suburbia should be largely based on free market expansion rather then a governmental one.
>>78029368
>This extremely retarded picture that shows no idea how wealth is actually generated
If I were president I would eliminate all borders and eliminate the right to own private property, including land, houses, buildings, cars, etc.
I would provide a basic income, and encourage people to work if they are healthy and motivated.
I would provide entertainment and sports and recreation facilities for everyone.
The world would be close to perfect, much like the americas were before europeans brought war and weapons to the peaceful tribes.
>>78029730
Sounds reasonable. Do you believe in regional development? Like, decentralising some industry and population away from the big capital cities?
I'm right-wing but if a left-wing party advocated for that and actually followed through I'd vote for them.
>>78029420
>this gif
>>78029306
Mugabe is a corrupt dickhead with no understanding of socialism, I don't defend him. Although I certainly don't give a shit about the "suffering" of the white settlers, they were willing participants in the colonial project and deserve everything they get. Apartheid still lingers in South Africa too, the divide among classes and ethnicities still remains. The EFF is gaining rapid support.
>>78029552
Oh I agree it's a waste. Sankara was against it.
>>78029306
>That didn't fail as such tho.
Quit making excuses. It failed. Showed up for couple years before getting blown the fuck out and it folded and is now relagated to inbred trailer trash and edgy teenagers on Portuguese shadow puppetry forums.
Meanwhile communism became an indelible force in history with everything stacked against it. Sent the first satellite and person into space. Became superpowers. Lifted shitholes into the developed world. And so on.
>>78027008
are you still posting regular updates? haven't seen a thread in a while.
>>78024485
>hollywood is leftist
>public education is leftist
>some rich people are even leftist
>the government of America is leftist
>universities are leftist
>most leftists are middle class white boys
>most right wingers are the working class the left claims to represent
What do you think about this?
>>78029739
Europe's wealth is stained by blood. Slavery and early colonialism provided the impetus for industrialisation. The empires of Europe were fuelled by African resources. The Congo Free State and Mau Mau rebellion proved how determined they were to hold onto the untapped resources.
>>78027752
The proprietor takes the risk incurred in investment. The worker uses his labour for the proprietor's money.
>>78029739
oy vey!! racist!!!
didn't you know we wuz kangz n shiieeeettttt.
>>78029926
Then what interest do you have in Africa?
They cannot civilize themselves.
They cannot run a functional primary sector economy.
They cannot feed themselves.
They cannot generate wealth themselves.
Europeans tried to civilize these savages, and then after we left out of a combination of guilt and revolution, their countries descended back into the dark ages with the addition of rotting western buildings.
South Africa is the leading example of what happens when Whites get kicked out.
>>78030109
>The empires of Europe were fuelled by African resources.
>Slavery and early colonialism provided the impetus for industrialisation.
lol
>>78029853
Yes, in order tp expand such cities, Masses are more easily handled with a single action, then many smaller ones, therefore to create a mega cit, or any sort of expansive city it would be required to move regional ones out, some compensation of equal value would be required whether that be land, or straight up money would vary on many factors, socialism has its place inc a capitalist economy, as ironic as that may sound.
I wish everyone had flowers.
>>78030109
>Slavery and early colonialism provided the impetus for industrialisation.
No, slavery actually held back industrialisation because slaves are free, you only start to invest in machinery when all workers have to be paid because a machine is more efficient and in the long term cheaper than people. However if you have free labour there is no point in investing.
You should try to learn some basic economic history, even people like Marx understood this.
>>78030164
>They cannot civilize themselves.
>They cannot run a functional primary sector economy.
>They cannot feed themselves.
>They cannot generate wealth themselves.
Literally zero proof of this. Whenever Africa tries they get crushed by the boot of imperialism, like Sankara in Burkina Faso.
>>78030109
Why do you hate Europeans so much when you are one?
Question for commies: what's your take on gun rights? I know a few people who self proclaim to be communists, and they're all vehemently anti-gun, very pro-gun control. Yet this always confused me, since I thought there needed to be a workers revolution to overthrow the capitalists, and how are you going to do that if you don't have guns? I don't get it. Seems to me like a commie would automatically be pro-gun.
>>78030288
>However if you have free labour there is no point in investing.
Yes there is. It allows profit to be maximised and lets workers be laid off, thus keeping the downwards pressure on wages through competition.
>>78030308
I don't. I just hate colonialism and oppression.
>>78029926
>Mugabe is a corrupt dickhead with no understanding of socialism
Still a Lefty. No less corrupt than all the Lefties in the EU. They're just better at hiding it.
>they were willing participants in the colonial project and deserve everything they get.
So does that mean you'd be cool with widespread violence against Muslims in Europe?
>Apartheid still lingers in South Africa too, the divide among classes and ethnicities still remains.
Probably because the Black government gives privileges to Black people thus keeping the racial divide alive and well.
>>78030017
>It failed
Um, no. Several million Soviets (Lefties) forced the National Socialist government to surrender. They then proceeded to destroy everything National Socialist and forbade anyone from continuing it. Not really a failure of a system of government. More a military defeat.
>Meanwhile communism became an indelible force in history with everything stacked against it
But this is wrong. Communism was and is heavily funded by powerful globalist forces. It also only maintained control through brutal slaughter and oppression of its people. It eventually then of course collapsed all on its own in the USSR. There was no million strong foreign army in Moscow to cause that. Just decade after decade of Lefty failings that eventually broke the camel's back.
>Sent the first satellite and person into space
Using National Socialist tech, dude.
>Lifted shitholes into the developed world
Uh, who? Cos every nation where Communism took hold has turned to shit.
>>78030297
>Rhodesia and South Africa had the best economies in Africa
>black guy takes over
>both countries become shit like the rest of Africa
explain this
>>78030336
Very much anti gun control. Gun control benefits the bourgeoisie. Marx was vigorously in favour of firearms.
>>78024485
>>78030469
>Yes there is. It allows profit to be maximised and lets workers be laid off, thus keeping the downwards pressure on wages through competition.
Except slaves don't have wages you retard. For someone posting Marxist quotes you obviously have not read Capital. Marx goes into great detail about how slavery and serfdom held back economic development and prevented the rise of capitalism. He also talks extensively about how the ancient Greek economic analysts could never work out the labour theory of value because slavery meant that it did not exist.
>>78024485
I'm a social-democrat
>>78030336
>I know a few people who self proclaim to be communists, and they're all vehemently anti-gun, very pro-gun control.
You're talking about Chomsky-tier people. They don't really care one way or another but if their perceived enemy is pro X they automatically have to be against X and vice versa.
>>78030297
Food security in their countries is proof.
Their absolute lack of a legal system is proof.
The fact that the Chinese build military mining fortresses to extract precious metals is proof that they cannot run a primary sector economy.
They fight over what nothing they have, instead of coming together to create lots of new wealth.
>>78030469
>I just hate colonialism and oppression.
You'll need to quantify these.
We came to try and give them something worth living for. Colonization was good until the Whites left.
>>78025984
>regressives
Fucking brocialist tbqh.
Seriously though, why do lefties get so triggered by words? Virtue signalling is the latest one being shot down over there.
>>78030019
>hollywood is leftist
Nope just a byproduct of capitalist consumerism, it would be pretty counter initiative to tell you consumers to become communists and fuck the capitalist system, they are Hollywood if anything is a disgruntled centralist
>public education is leftist
Again, the public education system traubs students for a capitalist society, a soviet school would be very different to a US one, disgruntled centralist school system
>some rich people are even leftist
Still capitalists, otherwise they would not be rich
>the government of America is leftist
The democrats are disgruntled centralist with no real idea of what they are doing, notice how obama is NOT pushing a NHS system, and instead uses shitty obamacare that relise on big pharma and insurence companies.
>universities are leftist
Not the same leftist as i am, but again they are still training students for a capitalist world (Except useless arts degrees)
>most leftists are middle class white boys
Im white, but im far from middle class, but those SJW types are the exact type leftists like i disdain, they are abusing the capitalist system and trying to make it fall despite what its done for them, man i wish i would get a fuckton of unearned money, also known as inheritance, but i have only what i earn, as my parents are piss poor.
>most right wingers are the working class the left claims to represent
But they are not, im a lower class leftist, i dont live off government freebies either, i work a shitty 40 hour job, for the dream of owning a house.... i am that shitty leftist working class, i work harder then the CEOs do a whole year ina single day.
i would be a smashing CEO.
>>78030517
>Still a Lefty. No less corrupt than all the Lefties in the EU. They're just better at hiding it.
The EU is capitalist. It prevents nationalisation and is committed to free markets. Anyone thinking it's remotely left wing is blind.
>So does that mean you'd be cool with widespread violence against Muslims in Europe?
They're not settlers, they have no influence. Capitalism forced them out by destroying their countries through war.
>Probably because the Black government gives privileges to Black people thus keeping the racial divide alive and well.
The "black" government is in hoc to global capitalism, whatever giveaways are token gestures at best.
>>78030644
Did you happen to grow up in Tito's Yugoslavia, i have only heard good things from old residence, being possible the only positive communist nation, before Titos death
>>78030529
White dominated governments that were part of the global imperialist system benefited from the suppression of the natives blacks. Those countries received a great deal of aid from states like Israel.
>>78031017
The EU is run by ex-communists. This is their idea of the USSR realised in a capitalist world
>>78030638
I'm aware of that. I understand the progression from feudalism to capitalism. My point in the first place was that the industrialisation in the first world came from the surplus value and resources generated by slavery, not that slavery itself led to industrialisation. It all went into the pockets of the first world. The US' wealth was built off slavery and genocide of the blacks and natives.
>>78024485
Suppers, .comrade?
>>78026757
le sargon of akkad fan
>>78026757
Businesses are collections of individuals working for their own gain under a structure that promotes growth of resources, continual advancement, and working for people if the people so choose.
>>78031356
Indeed i am
>>78031191
Ex-communists who have turned into bourgeois collaborators, yeah. I'll be voting to Leave on Thursday, it needs to be removed for socialism to arise in Europe. Pretty much all the socialist/communist parties in this country support leaving for a good reason.
>>78031470
Im pro-brext, due to it being a un-democratic system
>>78030685
Food security is a problem because it all gets sent off abroad in the global system of trade. Legal systems are a problem because of reactionary forces. Africa was behind in its development, much like Russia in 1917. China is part of the capitalist system of exploitation. They fight because capitalism pits man against man, it happens all over the world.
Colonialism involves suppressing the natives and economic exploitation to the detriment of the people. Colonialism was good for the oppressors, nobody else. Or are you going to tell me the millions who died in the Congo were grateful for those civilised men?
>>78031590
Yep, it's a crock of shit. I support direct democracy at all levels.
this entire thread is bait
Socalt can go fuck off
>>78031017
Depends. internationalism is pretty consistently considered leftist. And National Socialism is dismissed as not socialism by 99% of lefties. Internationalism is an aspect of the mainstream right, mainstream left and most of the far left. The elite of both stripes want full global integration and indeed a system of control over the world.
>>78029368
>he thinks Africa is resourceless
>>78027008
How the fuck do you have Internet, I thought people in south America resorted to cannibalism
>>78028002
Denying climate change worked dandy for the right wingers, talk about having a reality check
>>78025984
Fucking newfag.
Click the post number instead of typing out an ID.
>>78031763
>They fight because capitalism pits man against man, it happens all over the world.
>lets all sing kumbayah and be poor
kek
>Food security is a problem because it all gets sent off abroad in the global system of trade.
That would be true if the EU doesn't buy a significant fraction of EU food produce in order to create artificial demand. This food is then dumped.
We don't buy many agricultural products from Africa.
I think only around 5% of imports to Germany originate from Africa, with a significant portion being South Africa.
>Legal systems are a problem because of reactionary forces.
>reactionary forces
Funny way of saying "absolutely no grip on power".
>and economic exploitation to the detriment of the people.
The hospitals, the multiple story buildings, supermarkets, etc we brought to Africa was all detrimental?
>Or are you going to tell me the millions who died in the Congo were grateful for those civilised men?
Millions who died for what?
End of the day I don't care if someone dies under the delusion that their shit system is better than White civilization. Those who stand in the way of civilization belong removed.
Something as simple as free marshmellows would be a nice start.
>>78025527
that's social liberalism
>>78031343
The US' wealth exploded after the end of slavery. The civil war destroyed any wealth the South had from slavery.
>>78032512
>>78032568
I welcome our /leftypol/ guests.
>>78028002
Because not everyone who's leftist is automatically literally Stalin.
>>78032090
Africa was planning on building cities made of pure gold, but USA and Europe -allegedly- took away ALL the gold, now they can't build any city.
^Basically the entire argument.
>>78032568
Don't care. The only thing this will prove is that we aren't a hugbox like leftypol claims (they are though)
commies get out
>>78034797
Stalin's fault... he said the objective of socialism is communism.
It doesn't help that lefties are always so radical and insane.
>>78028584
You mean supporting dictators like Idi Amin, Teodoro Obiang Nguema, and Mobutu Sese Seko?
Oops that's the right wing.
>>78028947
Nice meme
>>78024485
absolute scum.
we fight for the working class.
>spends years being a worthless faggot in college studying gender shit
>imports millions of niggers because muh feels
communisto here
>>78024485
go back to /leftypol/ commie scum
>>78029195
You mean the money we send to fund anti-democratic and anti-populist coups? Or the obscene amounts of resources that we send to establish economic control, crashing local economies in the process? Or perhaps the generous monetary aid given to the upper classes to spend on lavish shopping trips in Paris and New York?
>>78026757
I don't agree with full coverage of healthcare by the government, because it creates a low quality backed up system like the one we have in canada. Partially subsidized healthcare is fine for those who can't afford it as a good will gesture to society and your fellow man but a degree of personal responsibility has to come in the from saving for an emergency. The only exception to this in my opinion is for those physicaly incapable of working a paying job.
Government funded educational systems are almost universally inferior to privately funded ones and I don't understand why our taxes have to pay for shitty schools that have to follow a shitty curriculum when a fraction of that money can be put towards a local private school with a stronger curriculum and higher standards of teaching. You assume the majority of people are too stupid to know how to spend their money responsibly but the only reason some people are lagging so far behind is because they were born into a system of government reliance, requiring big brother to hand them everything.
A child has not worked to earn the inheritance of their parents, but a parent that has worked their whole life to create a business that provides society with a service has already paid their dues to that society and has earned the right to due with that business and it's earnings whatever they see fit. If that means passing it on to their children as a means of financial security for their lineage then that is again something that has been earned by the parent. Society does not suddenly get dibs on 15% of an inheritance because a family member has passed away and they had social debts to settle. That's essentially grave robbing. What your advocating is simply theft with an appeal to emotion.
>>78035348
>anti-democratic
>bad
>>78024485
Nationalist with leftist ideas reporting in. Basically Strasserism but not extreme.
>>78029926
>willing participants
Not quite. At least from the Cape's perspective, we wanted autonomy and equal rights way back in the 1850s, but you insisted of being imperialist, warmongering and power hungry by invading black and boer lands and forcing the Cape into a black majority when before it was 50% white and 50% coloured. It was the NP's fault for continuing with the imperialist approach, I'll give you that
>>78024485
the only leftists I know are failures whose only chance of social mobility lies in authoritarian mob rule over those above them, both in mental capacity and business acumen
regressive is too kind of a word to describe them because apparently they wish to replace mum&dad with an impersonal state apparatus and a top-down (((economy)))
I've had of liberals in my country. They just wanna sell the country to their Chinese Overlords because they know fuck all about Geo-politics
>My ideal version of communism has never been tried!
>Proceeds to get genocided
>>78029028
>all former socialist/communist residents lean hard right
Not only are you full of shit, seeing as millions of Russians long for the old days, but you know little about history, because there were/are even many dissidents from those countries that are/were on the left. Andrei Sakharov and Alexander Dubček are two examples.
>socialist economies failed
If you're talking about command economies, even the cumbersome Stalinist countries made a lot of progress over several decades. Conditions were even better in worker-managed socialist countries.
>healthcare
Almost no healthcare system will work without established infrastructure. That's a fact.
>>78024485
Does being forced into a leftist count?
Going for a humanitarian degree, can't not be a lefty...
>>78036097
You get a free political ideology + safe space with each gender studies module you pass
>>78036097
>humanitarian degree
anon, I...
>>78029306
Apartheid South Africa was generally only prosperous if you were white or maybe a rare black businessman. The Bantustan system kept 80% of the population in crowded, dirty, poor areas in the desert, and this divide was heavily guarded by an extensive police state and political repression.
Of course, modern SA isn't a whole lot better. There's still crime, poverty, and disease everywhere, but the classes aren't as racially segregated. Small consolation though.
Rhodesia was a different story.
>>78035880
>30 million deaths from starvation
"Communism made progress"
>>78036295
>>78036345
The degree is more preservation of cultural heritage. I'll never be able to create something, other than books, to sell. I'll just provide a humanitarian service
>>78029376
>slippery slope
>>78029420
>that gif
Straw man much?
>Venezuela: We don't need capitalistic investors, socialism can be driven on a 100% oil based economy.
>Oil price goes down...
>Venezuela: Help us capitalism, we're running out of food!
>>78034797
But everyone who is a leftist is ?
plz answer.
>>78030164
Let me guess, your source for all this is that Russian visitor to Johannesburg?
>>78036586
surely you have a personal roadmap guiding your pre-career during your studies, such as internships, networking, interdisciplinary projects, engaging the professors etc; if you don't I'm afraid you'll end up with a big problem once you've completed your studies
so-called humanitarian service is a luxury, outside of gov't makework most oftenly part-time work financed either by wealth transfers form the working population or kikes with an agenda like Soros
>>78036539
While I believe that the land given to them was far too little and instead of being a puppet state they should've rather been completely autonomous with SA's guidance instead of a "native affairs minister" who knew jack shit about blacks, they were most definitely not subjected to living in deserts. Zululand, Transkei and Ciskei are all extremely fertile areas just waiting for an economic breakthrough
>>78035348
>Or the obscene amounts of resources that we send to establish economic control, crashing local economies in the process?
Their local economies are approaching non existent.
In Africa a GDP per capita of 200$ is considered an achievement.
>>78036994
What?
>>78037074
I've come to realise that in my field, any academic field really you have to show initiative.
I got loads of ideas I'm pitching to my professors and supervicors.
And yes, I got interdisciplinary work next month and so on.
It is a luxury indeed, I'm aware.
Only one type of socialism works and its of the national variety, go ahead and use my country to shill your misguided ideals but we copyed so much from NS that one cant simply call it social democracy.
Same goes for denmark.
sweden might be a shitty example but is closer to your red socialism
>>78036586
Thinking on selling a book is already a step up from thinking the world owes you a job.
>>78037580
Nationalism is the glue that keeps socialism together
>>78037590
Sure is..
4chin has a younger user base and most young people are left wing.
>>78037919
Not in the USA though, they seem to hate socialism, but they're nationalistic as fuck.
>>78033250
Stupid commie detected
>>78024485
How's Melbourne this time of year? Ya dum wog
>>78024485
Not a leftist, but I'm a hardcore egalitarian. Tried to shake it off but I just can't. Which makes it tricky for me to define degeneracy and how to combat it.
>>78038112
The fibre of American nationalism and being "proudly American" is making something of yourself based on your own success, not the state's. Socialism goes against that idea of being proudly American so I can understand why it's a mismatch there
I'm a Lincolnian Socialist, personally.
It's a shame he had to deal with hillbillies chimping out and was assassinated before he could do some real change for the workers of this country.
Social democrat. There is no redpill.
>>78038466
Im not quite sure if you're being ironic
>>78038686
I assume he thinks lincoln was a socialist because he freed the slaves, and that meant a portion of the "workers" got the value of their labour power back. It almost kinda makes sense in a weird marxist way.
>>78038933
meant ownership instead of value*
>>78035880
where did i say all residents? it's impossible for any group of people to share the same values. what i clearly fucking wrote was that the MAJORITY of the population in former socialist republics have turned to what would be considered right leaning views and political decisions. This is fact that can clearly be seen Poland, Hungary, Romania, the former Yugo and Russia. What people long for is the stability that the state offered them just like millions of pre www2 germans longed for the stability that the army offered them.
consider the fact that the ideas like unencumbered free speech,a weaker decentralized state, equality of opportunity regardless of race, gender, religious belief or ethnicity and democratic representation in the governing body were all considered as leftist ideals before ww1.
also >>78036587
It's enough to look at Sweeden to see how a left leaning voting base will slowly turn the state socialist as time goes by. (as a side note while introducing Perestroika Gorbachev said that the desired outcome would resemble the Nordic model)
>>78038933
Not even bring in the slaves, he signed the Legal Tender Act of 1862, the Land Grant Act, the Pacific Railroad Acts of 1862 and 1864, and the Homestead Act, all of which had been vetoed before when proposed due to their socialistic standings. Plus the nation’s first personal income tax. Eventually, those earning between $600 and $10,000 a year paid 3% and those making more paid a higher rate. This was the first move toward “progressive taxation” of individual effort and we still live with such taxes today.
Modern Americans tend to be stupid in how they interpret socialism today but those were socialist acts in those days.
>>78025527
Marx called for:
The breakdown of the family unit
The banning of religion
The banning of all borders and all notions of unique cultures and ethnic groups
Equality of outcome
The banning of normal morality, to be replaced with hardcore egalitarianism and lgbtq ideology where everything and anything is valid
The creation of an intellectual class that sits comfortably above the masses struggling to achieve the intellectuals' vision.
The destruction of whites through corrupting their demographics and creating a more controllable mixed race population is just one logical and highly practical thing that the revolution's leaders might (and probably would, judging by the atmosphere of liberal race denialism and desire to mix races to "end racism" that has thoroughly flavored most all liberal egalitarianism at this time) try to get what Marx wanted. That's assuming it stays ideologically pure and doesn't split into socialist authoritarian states.
>>78036834
Fun thing is that we were runing out of food even before oil prices dropped.
Reporting in.
Fuck mass migration and Marxism though.
I tend to be very culturally libertarian, but socialised healthcare and despite benefit frauds, I'm for the welfare state.
>>78034797
>spending all the nation's money failed
>let us spend just half, come on
fuck off
>>78035017
First of all, that was Lenin. Second of all, he had completely different definitions in mind when he said it.
>>78030017
Wew dude you are making muricans look bad with your lack of knowledge.
Ever heared of fascist spain? Even after their leader Franco died they still wanted to keep the right wing politics. Hitler, if not for his mental problem, would have been easily the leader of Europe, he literally built the most progressive country out of ashes.
On the other hand soviets were so successful in science literally because they had many german scientists who were forced to work for them and because they had to compete with murica. There was no other achievememt made in soviet russia other than that. People literally had nothing to eat (especially before the ww2), they had so called "social benefits" and low paying jobs that in reality were still shit, free speach existed only in dreams of individuals, etc etc. (Lets not even start on other communist countries) No, communism and socialism were pure fails in the last century and there is no way they would succeed nowadays.
>>78036556
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOnIp69r6vg
>>78041756
Chavez actually made some progress before the last few years of his life. Food shortages were definitely not new to Venezuela when he arrived in office, so it's not like leftism is solely to blame for the issue.
>>78036834
Socialism isn't about just having a monoproductor functional economic sector. That's unviable. More accurate; that's a rentier state.
>>78048074
Chávez did nothing good when he arrived in office. Everything was the same as always but this time he had more money to waste giving it for free to everyone who support him. Nothing new since every party from 1958 did the same fucking thing claiming they were lefty parties.
>>78048581
>>78048074
The thing I want to know the most is why does he think he knows more about our country than we do.
>>78024485
I'm leftist, but not "murikan left", which like the American right, is full retard and in the pocket of globalist corporations and police state wannabes
>>78026301
>Le hard work meme
Let's not pretend success is based on hard work, since plenty of people who work their asses off have jack shit and plenty who don't do shit have plenty.
Also lets not pretend that nigger ancestors didn't work hard when they were literally slaves who were whipped whenever they slacked off.
Also lets not pretend every poor person just doesn't work hard when plenty of them hold multiple jobs and work themselves into health problems and early graves.
Disgusting thread with so many economic illiterates I needed to puke.
And why non of the new liberals aka SJWs has read Marx, when the right wingers know the bastard by heart?
>>78030941
This is a great shitpost!
>>78030941
> i work a shitty 40 hour job, for the dream of owning a house....
Why would you want to own property? : ^)
