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U.S., Partners Should Prepare For Chinese Reaction To Impending Territorial Dispute Arbitration
https://news.usni.org/2016/06/20/csis_south_china_sea_arbitration

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/06/21/national/politics-diplomacy/beijing-indicates-may-exit-u-n-sea-convention-south-china-sea-ruling-disappoints/
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>>77988828
China has told other Asian countries that it may leave the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea as a countermeasure if a ruling from an international tribunal expected in the coming weeks over territorial rows in the South China Sea runs counter to the bedrock of its position, diplomatic sources said Monday.

What China cares most about in an arbitration case brought by the Philippines is a decision on the applicability of Beijing’s “nine-dash line” that ambiguously demarcates its claims to almost the entire disputed sea.

The Philippines, the most vocal critic of China’s activities in the South China Sea among claimants, filed the case with the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague in 2013 in a bid to invalidate the vaguely drawn territorial line.

China thinks the worst outcome would be for the tribunal, constituted by the 1982 convention, or UNCLOS, to rule that Beijing’s claim of “historic rights” over the sea has no international legal grounds and invalidate its expansive line, according to the sources.
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>>77988828
Sick of the Chinese. UN is just a puppet for the superpowers that arose after WW2, yet all the idiots in the world seem to think otherwise.

Why should any country have the power of veto in an organization meant to represent the world? That's fucking retarded.
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>>77989491
Because the veto belongs to nations with nuclear power.

Contrary to beliefs about equality, only those with power get to decide anything.

Therefore the UN cannot rule against the interests of the powerful.
It exists to interfere with the weaker nations only.

The truly powerful have always been above the law.

Laws must be enforced, this requires power.
If you cannot enforce a law, it is not a law.
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>>77988828
I don't get why china is being so pushy about this.
Is the south china sea just a massive fucking oil field or something?
Even if that is the case they could just buy the drilling rights from the countries with exclusive rights to it. America does that all over the world.
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Whatever, this is a harbinger in a bad meaning
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>>77989829
It's about strategic control of an area of commerce.

This is like the panama canal all over again.

Efforts against china focus on "containment".

If they are unable to control this area then china will be successfully contained.
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>>77988828
The 21st century is the Chinese century.
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>>77990156
I guess they're "contained" in the sense that they're surrounded by water they can't access easily?
For a monolith like china that doesn't really seem to matter though. If they don't want to be contained they won't be.
Though I guess that's a bit of what we're seeing now.

The whole thing just seems petty.
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>>77988828
Fuck China. Literally the Jews of the East.
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>>77988828
On June 19 and 20, A chinese spy vessel navigated the immediate outside of the Japan's contiguous zone
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20160620/k10010563361000.html?utm_int=news_contents_news-main_004

A ship is same as what navigated it on 15th(Japan's territorial waer)and 16th(Japan's contiguous zone)

Type 815 spy ship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_815_spy_ship

Length (m): 130
Width (m): 16.4
Draft (m): 6.5
Displacement (t): 6000
Speed (kt): 20
Crew: 250
Propulsion: diesel engine
Armament: 1 twin 37 mm, 2 twin 25 mm
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>>77990581
Imagine how shit it would be if America had Chinese ships patrolling off their coast in front of their major ports and all this was declared "international waters" as close as possible to them.

This would be containment, where its possible to cut off supply of commerce through naval blockade at any time.

For example, oil tankers could be blocked through naval blockade, which could decimate industrial output for a heavy oil consuming nation.

This is like having your hands over someone's throat.
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Japan should study international laws before making any report or comment

China official
"I would advise that Japanese media and the government better study international laws before making any report or comment."

http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_665399/s2510_665401/2511_665403/t1373233.shtml

Japan protests to China over ship in disputed waters
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36486566

Asean Members Walk Back Statement on South China Sea
Southeast Asia ministers had urged respect for international law, in implicit dig at China

>In a Tuesday statement issued after a meeting with China’s foreign minister, top diplomats from the Association of Southeast Asian Nations urged respect for international law in resolving disputes, a thinly veiled swipe at Beijing’s refusal to accept the ruling from an arbitration tribunal in The Hague.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/asean-members-walk-back-statement-on-south-china-sea-1465924238

China should accept the Hague's ruling on the South China Sea dispute, New Zealand's defence minister believes.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/china-should-accept-hague-ruling-south-sea-gerry-brownlee

An outlaw prefers to talk about law
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You japs always complain about us having bases on your island. So I think we should pack up and leave you guys to deal with China. Have fun
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>>77988828

Why are asians so fucking autistic about tiny little nothing islands in the middle nowhere?
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>>77991352
Even with their extended water we'll still have that capability.
Hell, even if they owned the entire pacific we could still blockade them.
It's not the 1800 where you have to line up boats in 100 mile long walls. We have satellites and interceptors.
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>>77992232
60% of merchant ships in the world sailing South China Sea and China want to rule that area with Neighboring sea areas and nations
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>>77992256
Yes and you can also shoot missiles from Texas to china.
But realistically speaking in low intensity confrontation it requires closer proximity to blockade effectively.

A blockade of this nature would take the form of boarding merchant ships and seizing them.

Shooting at and sinking merchant ships is a very high grade escalation.
It's possible but undesirable.

There is a difference between a passive containment and outright state of war.
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>>77989491
Why should 60 pissant African countries get to outvote the important countries?
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>>77992669
>Shooting at and sinking merchant ships is a very high grade escalation.

Chinese navy already do that against South East Asia nation's small fishing boats in South China Sea
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>>77992669
When I said "interceptors " I meant ships. America has the fastest boats on water right now and one of pic related could contain the entirety of the china sea with the help of satellite information.
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>>77992999
Also there's this crazy fucker that's designed to hunt pirates. Fast as fuck and turns on a dime.
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>>77992999
As long as they are able to board merchant ships and seize them, then yes you are probably right.

But i guess more space for them to work with is always better.
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>>77992232
French Defense Minister to Urge EU South China Sea Patrols
http://thediplomat.com/2016/06/french-defense-minister-to-urge-eu-south-china-sea-patrols/

France to Push for Coordinated EU Patrols in South China Sea
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-05/france-to-push-for-coordinated-eu-patrols-in-south-china-sea

Indonesian navy fires on Chinese boat, injures fisherman. Indonesia Confirms Seizing Fishing Boat in South China
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/world/asia/indonesia-south-china-sea-fishing.html

South China Sea Mission: Advanced US Attack Jets Arrive Philippines
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timdaiss/2016/06/17/south-china-sea-mission-advanced-u-s-attack-jets-arrive-in-philippines/
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>>77989491
Why should there be an organisation to represent the world? Why should buttfuck nowhere in the heart of Africa get a vote equal to the most populous country in the world, on another continent?
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>>77989829
30% of world maritime trade passes through the South China Sea. They want to control that trade. They want to use that control to make threats against Japan, South Korea, Philippines, Vietnam, and anyone else in the region who might not kowtow to the Central Committee.
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thx japan good info
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westerners tend to be woefully unaware of events in asia pacific and central asia.
it's very important.
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>>77994381
As for China's (may) UNCLOS Exit, possibility of the secession has been notified several countries of beforehand by China
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>>77994906
>several countries is unknown.
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>>77990872
Fuck off puppets of true Jew
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>>77992486

I don't get it, the ships would have to pay them to sail through there?
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>>77988828

It's fait accompli already. The Chinese already have fortified positions in the key areas on the SCS. The Nine-Dash Line was essentially awarded to China after WW2 but UNCLOS is in-congruent with the tract so the US is capitalizing the tension to attempt to contain China. However since the Chinese already control the majority of their claims which lie within China's immediate periphery there really isnt really anything that can be done to dismantle China's grip on the SCS without going to war, which is extremely unlikely because of the symbiotic relationship between the US and China as well as the Russian reset which effectively forces the US to fight on 2 fronts.
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Q: Today the Kremlin announced Russian President Putin's visit to China on June 25. Please confirm.

A: At the invitation of President Xi Jinping, Russian President Vladimir Putin will pay a state visit to China on June 25.
http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_665399/s2510_665401/
During the visit, President Xi Jinping and President Putin will hold talks, exchange in-depth views on bilateral relations and international and regional issues of common interest, and map out the further development direction and priority areas of cooperation for the China-Russia comprehensive strategic partnership of coordination. The two leaders will sign and release several important political documents, and witness the signing of a series of pragmatic cooperation documents by relevant departments and companies from the two countries. Premier Li Keqiang and Chairman Zhang Dejiang will meet with President Putin on separate occasions.

This year marks the 15th anniversary of the signing of the Treaty of Good-Neighborliness, Friendship and Cooperation Between China and Russia. Activities will be held to celebrate this. China hopes that President Putin's visit will help solidify bilateral political and strategic trust, bolster pragmatic cooperation across the board, create new driving forces for the development of China-Russia comprehensive strategic partnership of coordination, and make new contributions to international and regional peace, security and stability.
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>>77999764

No, the whole freedom of navigation meme has been the US modus operandi since the cold war to involve itself in conflicts that we otherwise have nothing to do with. A blockade is an act of war.
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see North korea
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>>77988828
That is a BOLD fucking claim. holy shit
What a bunch of greedy bastards.
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