Alright, /pol/, it's time to settle this once and for all. Did the Nazis really use gas chambers to exterminate the Jews?
Let's try to get both sides on this.
Also, can those who claim the Nazis did not use gas chambers please refute the arguments from here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
And here: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
Let's see if this thread can be the ultimate red pill thread we've had in awhile, /pol/.
Yes, they did. Trust me, I am German.
>>77958250
You gotta give me more than that, Hans.
>>77958250
Kike detected
>>77958162
>Did the Nazis really use gas chambers to exterminate the Jews?
yes but they failed
source: https://www.amazon.com/KL-History-Nazi-Concentration-Camps/dp/0374118256
>>77958530
I know there is evidence to back this up, but what does the other side say?
>>77958765
Also my grandpa was part of the 89th infantry division that liberated Ohrdruf. So yes there is undeniable proof the camps existed. I'm wondering there are arguments that say there were no gas chambers
>>77959097
*wondering why
>>77958771
>I know there is evidence to back this up, but what does the other side say?
that theres no substantial forensic evidence or logistical papertrail to back up the eyewitness claims, that claims are grossly exaggerated, that there is no order cascade from Hitler, that 'finds' such as wansee conference minutes represent a suspicious orgy of evidence, that there was conspiracy to establish a narrative rather than facts.
RHSA had a clear papertrail establishing 'annihilation through work' (which was terribly managed). RHSA did establish 14f13 to weed out those sent to camps that could not work, and this was later developed into selective targeting of all jews.
>>77959949
Wasn't the conference proof of the final solution?
>>77960277
depends, its alleged to be either fake or superceeded by a Hitler order
see
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Germany/Kempner/
and also
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Himmler/Schlegelberger/index.html
and
http://www.welt.de/kultur/history/article13759672/Hitler-gab-nicht-den-Befehl-zum-Holocaust.html
>>77960779
Are there any individuals who are scholars that refute the official account of the Holocaust?
Too many soldiers in the firing squads were going insane from having to keep murdering them, so they used Zyklon-B gas.
Then they burned the bodies to ash.
As fucked up as the whole shindig was, zyklon-b was actually a really merciful way to commit mass murder. It was as painless as an exit bag.
>Robert Kempner (right) who "discovered" the Wannsee papers after the war and took them to Telford Taylor.
>It is curious that the person who "lost" the later documents (PS-4025: the Schlegelberger Memorandum) indicating that Hitler wanted to wait until after the war to launch the "Final Solution" is the same person who found the "earlier orders" for it, especially after British intelligence intercepted Hitler's orders that the Jews should be innoculated and saved for construction gangs in the Soviet Union only days before the Wannsee Conference of January 20, 1942.
>http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/Auschwitz/Lowe270104.html
>>77961326
That's what I've heard and it makes sense to me
>>77961293
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germar_Rudolf
or start with David Irving
>>77958162
No. "gas chambers in question locked from the inside, no the outside.
Furthermore, Zyklon-B gas comes in the form of small pellets, which release the gas and leave a nasty blue stain on the walls that cannot be washed off. There are no blue stains in said gas chambers.
Though the most suspicious pat was the rebranding of certain "death camps" to work camps as soon as they were investigated. Camps that were not investigated remained "death camps"
Pic related. I don't know what exactly happened, but what we were told happened definitely did not happen.
>>77961326
>zyklon-b was actually a really merciful way to commit mass murder. It was as painless as an exit bag
things to consider tho
-no extraction method to exacuate gas
-testimony is that a single 'filling' of a chamber took 24hrs to self-clear of gas
-no records of the immense shipments of coke needed to keep furnaces going
-bone crushing machines
there are legit questions about the logistical likelihood
>>77962093
Wouldn't zyklon B solve the logistical requirements of exterminating masses of people?
>>77958162
Pure coincidence !
>>77961326
The only reason I'm not a denier is because the best math professor I had in uni was a survivor. Old polish guy, really nice. Was in Buchenwald, then Auschwitz. Had the numbers stamped on him...absolutely traumatized by the phrase "work makes free."
He never actually talked about it, but the ptsd stayed with him.
>>77962505
He died from zyklon B ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yor7rlFd-yI
>>77962505
Couldn't he have been shaken from the labor and seeing his fellow men die of starvation and disease, rather than gas?
>>77962638
What I'm saying is what if gas wasn't used but instead prisoners died of disease and starvation
>>77962209
its the uncertainty of logistical feasibility- the supply chain, trains, fuel for the furnaces, time constraints of having to let a chamber be out of action for 24hrs (Wachsmann) before it can be used again. not to mention the bureaucratic logjams where RHSA telexts to say 'we are liquidating this ghetto, be ready to receive 100,000 in 2 weeks'. there are legit questions which have never been cleared up afaik.
>>77962636
>>77962638
No he didn't die, he was my professor.
>>77962709
Precisely ! Typhoid . starvation..no Zyclon B .. no 6 millions jews .. no 2000 person in a shower with wooden door .. it was a Genocide but not like they want us to know .. they used it for implementation of Greater Israel . it very well reported facts.. the Rothchilds finance both side of every war since 1760 and are not shy to spill the blood of their own kin they did it before and try to do it again ..BE WARNED !
>>77958162
You mean the big lie
>>77962857
He talk about the showers ? probably not cause its a lie.. he probably traumatized by this event for many good reason but some of those reasons are LIES to control the opposition ! its 10 years of prison if you dare question the shoa in Europe .. 10 YEARS !
The Illuminated Zionist lobby make sure no one can counter their bullshit by imprisoning them .. this is a common way to eliminate concurrence ..
>>77963310
>10 years
>In Europe
No, it's not, you fucking moron. Also, you realize Europe is a continent made up of roughly 50 countries, all with different laws and regulations, right? So saying Europe this or Europe that really makes you sound like a fucking idiot.
2000 peoples gas behind THIS door ?! TOTAL BULLSHIT ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPlhKP0nZII
>>77958162
no they did not
you cannot detain and kill that amount especially at war time.they detained a smaller amount as to prevent a revolution as what happened in 1918 which troubled the outcome of the first world war.
The germans were merely trying to fight jewish influence in their country, and it was a war. a war is a war, one group fighting against another.
Because jews (see for yourself) run the media a narrative of german guilt is taught in all facets of life.
>>77963715
Well ok MOST of Europe ! Maybe not the Belgium African Genocidal Maniaks but the rest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial
>>77963715
stupid fuck you should stfu Belgium you start to play with my nerve..
>>77964047
How many countries have handed out sentences of 10 years in prison for Holocaust deniers?
Anyway, who the fuck are you to criticize anyone, Canada? You have reddit as prime minister for fuck's sake.
>>77964685
MOre then enouf FOR LIES ! you think you funny manlet ?!
>>77964685
YOu a fucking clown or something ?!
>>77964685
I criticize ONLY Genocidal maniacs ! we do not financed and Train Terrorist in Canada..to kill our own peoples in the street..
>>77964685
And just so you know little man..My ancestors come from Belgium this is not something I am proud of since you are the worst fucking genocidal Maniak on human history..
>>77965252
>>77964913
>>77964813
Here's another issue. If 6 million didn't die, where did the missing 6 million go? Weren't there census records documenting a massive reduction of Jews after the war?
>>77968085
how you keep census in 1939 ?? THINK dude THINK !
>>77968528
What does that even mean
Bump for more thoughts
>>77968085
Better question:
What were the 6 million doing during the war?
>>77969893
What?
I can't answer that question because of the legislation of my country
>>77969946
If Jews weren't being locked up and slaughtered, what were they doing?
Those camps don't hold 6 million people.
If only a few people died, and they all died at the very end of typhus or whatever, what were the millions and millions who didn't fit into the camps doing in the mean time?
>>77970027
see.. This is a other good reason to think its a LIE ! Prison for those who talk about the shoa. this is called subversion its a domination tactic.
>>77970114
So they just never existed and the census records were made up?
>>77970200
You must be confused about what I'm saying.
>>77970200
what is the difference 600 000 and 6 000 000 for a shill ?!
Is there someone out there that actually debunks David Irving? It's very hard to not believe what he says when he comes with good arguments and at the same time have the jews trying to shut him up.
>>77958162
It's one of the central intellectual crises of the alt-right
on one hand they want to deny the holocaust to rehabilitate the legacy of national socialism
but at the same time they'd be super happy if all those jews really did die ( which they did, btw)
>>77970321
Try looking up any of the court cases he lost to see a live BTFOing.
>>77970321
Wikipedia says Irving was found to deliberately falsify historical documents. Who's right here?
>>77970200
Tons flooded into America undocumented
>>77970455
It's how you can tell deniers aren't real historians or real scientists. They lack all objectivity.
One author put it well. He boils down the entire denier argument to "We didn't do it, but the kikes got what they deserved."
>>77970114
Well at least half of them were being shot by the Einsatzgruppen SS the rest walled up in Ghettos until they were given a free train ride to eastern Poland
>>77970832
Quite a skill to be able to have millions of people travel between two countries at war with each other and never get discovered.
I bet there are spy agencies all over the world that wish they had that ability.
I think the census records are the biggest argument for the Holocaust being an actual real event.
>>77958162
http://pastebin.com/Uc1EkvGZ
>>77971390
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop
Yawn.
>>77970114
Who says they existed? Find me the census record that shows a missing 6,000,000 jews. That's one of the arguments *against* it, is that this supposed death toll isn't evident in any records.
Why is it not a big deal when the Auschwitz museum itself drops it's supposed death toll from 4 million to 1 million? That right there cuts the 6,000,000 figure in half. Why is 6,000,000 still being repeated? Why is it not a bigger issue when the "official numbers" are off by freaking half?
>>77971488
>prove the holocaust didn't happen!
>no i don't want to look at your evidence
and those last 4 digits, such a waste
>>77971285
they add a fucking 0 at the end of 600 000 its not a viable argument..
>>77971488
also i should say
>rational wiki
>rational
>>77965528
We should've killed more.
>>77958162
>please refute the arguments from here
>has to rely on garbage like wikipedia
>can't bring up his own arguments
Nope, you're a nigger
>>77971634
>Why is 6,000,000 still being repeated?
Because the 6 million number is a holy number among holocaust deniers, even if actual scientists don't use it. It's called "rounding" buddy.
>>77971648
"Argumentum ad td;dr" is a favorite tactic among deniers, because it requires no work. Just copy and paste something you found.
This is why copy paste lists like this have stuff that was debunked decades and decades ago. Who cares if you have facts wrong, if someone cant' debate 1000 bad arguments in his 2000 character limit post, then you win!
>The Gish Gallop, also known as Proof by Verbosity, is the fallacious debating tactic of drowning an opponent in such a torrent of small arguments that the opponent cannot possibly rebut each one in real time. It is similar to the on the spot fallacy.
Why don't you take a single argument, get your evidence, and articulate it.
>>77972198
I want to see both sides to get an idea of what to think. I don't have any arguments you're right. I'm just trying to get a picture of what you guys are talking about
>>77972379
Here's the thing:
This is how a Denier's brain works:
>Oh yeah, well can you answer this question? No? Then the holocaust was fake!
Here's how a historian's brain works:
>Hmm, this is an interesting question. I should conduct research and attempt to answer it.
Basically, if every time you get asked a rhetorical question by a denier, and you go look up the answer on google, you will quickly learn how full of shit they are.
>>77972649
>Here's how a historian's brain works:
>>Hmm, this COULD BE an interesting question. I SHOULD conduct research and attempt to answer it but it is a federal crime.
FTFY
>>77972649
So I'm taking it that you believe the official accounts then?
What about zyklon b supposedly being a combustible and leaving blue imprints on walls, which was not found in the gas chambers?
>>77972270
Well shit, dude. Color me btfo. A piece of paper with no sources, names, or references of any kind. I'm just... I mean I'm fucking floored, here.
>Also intentionally dodging the question.
If that nifty little notepad doc is right, where'd the 3,000,000 extra come from at Auschwitz? Were they added on top of the 5,100,000 and if so why'd they feel the need to add bullshit numbers? Or were they included in the 5,100,000 and if so, why is it not an even bigger deal that only 2,100,000 died?
>>77972823
It's not a federal crime.
It is however a lie that deniers love to propagate.
"The truth does not fear investigation" my ass, they lie more than anyone.
>>77973000
In many countries, including the sorry shithole I live in, Holocaust revisionism - i.e. showing other figures than the official ones - is a crime. Not federal, i concede, but a crime nonetheless. Why would serious historians bother losing their livelihood?
I've never looked into the details.
But if someone is a compulsive lier I'm going to assume almost everything they say is a lie.
Jews are the most notorious and shameless liers in the world.
>>77972932
>Well shit, dude. Color me btfo. A piece of paper with no sources, names, or references of any kind. I'm just... I mean I'm fucking floored, here.
Raul Hilberg, The Destruction of the European, Jews. 1961.
Google you stupid nigger.
It's one of many examples of the differing calculations by different historians.
>>77972932
>If that nifty little notepad doc is right, where'd the 3,000,000 extra come from at Auschwitz? Were they added on top of the 5,100,000 and if so why'd they feel the need to add bullshit numbers? Or were they included in the 5,100,000 and if so, why is it not an even bigger deal that only 2,100,000 died?
Well, let's google it.
Google says it was a propaganda attempt by the Soviet Union, that was quickly proven to be false by historians. Basically, only a few months after the camp was discovered, the Soviets put up a big memorial so they could look like heroes. They needed to justify the millions and millions of Russians who died. Russia's defeat of Germany is still their most important national holiday today. Actual historians never believed it. Russia refused to admit they were wrong until 1991. The four million at Auschwitz were never part of the calculations by historians.
Now you see why the Gish Gallop is a shitty tactic. In the amount of time it took me to write one thing you could have googled yourself, many posts have sprung up.
Google, nigger. Use it.
>>77973320
What are "The official numbers?"
Would Jacob Lestschinsky go to jail for saying it was 5.95 million?
Would Gerald Reitlinger who proved the soviets were lying back in the 50s go to jail for his estimate of 4.2 to 4.5 million?
Would Wolfgang Benz go to jail for his estimate of 5.29 million?
These are just people on wikipedia.
By all means, tell me exactly how many people is the minimum you are allowed to say before you go to jail in Canada.
(And even though you are wrong, I will point out that you are moving the goal posts to change the topic from "Studying history is illegal" to "denying the 'official numbers' is illegal." So nice debate cheating!)
>>77972902
http://www.whale.to/b/liberation.html#12
Proper investigations have yet to be carried out in the supposed deathcamps, and any camp properly investigated hasn't had any toxic gas discovered in any way which would suggest it was used to kill people.
The picture posted by >>77961965 while childish and poorly made, is accurate. The gas chambers are all only found, conveniently, in Russian-investigated areas, and that's where we get the majority of the reports on the Nazi atrocities. The question then becomes, how much do we trust Russian wartime reports against their enemies? It's not like Soviet Russian was known for being one of the largest propaganda powerhouses in world history or anything.
Our rambling little friend likes to keep talking about rationality and objectivity, but he's yet to do much more than call names and claim everyone who disagrees with him is a raging bigot. I, personally, have nothing against Jews and I've certainly got no hardon for Nazis, but the idea that we shouldn't question something that was poorly investigated, largely unproven, and pushed by the two largest propaganda creators in the world at a time when patriotism and moral was more important than ever, is absurd.
The Nazis were bad, m'kay? But very few people in history are ever 100% evil, and it's a little too convenient for me that Nazis are made out to be the most evil group to ever walk the earth by their enemies, who are also the ones who get to write what happened.
>>77972902
Sorry, missed this post. Now I get to be the one who copy and pastes things. Hurrah!
This is one of the oldest denier memes, and when you see it, it's excellent evidence they can't do independent research, and never bother to google the things they read.
>>77974891
I don't know if you're talking about me, but I never called anyone a bigot. I did call them a stupid nigger though.
Anyway, the picture isn't correct. First, show a source on "Original claim" as deniers love to make up strawmen and other fake shit to debunk.
Second, that only shows the death camps in Poland. There were a bunch in Yugoslavia too.
The real question is:
Were the Jews legitimate targets for whatever happened or not?
Somehow it is always implied that they were not.
>>77975552
May I ask you what you think of the Jews, personally? So far I still believe the official account and that 6 million did die in an extermination process of some sort, but I still have animosity towards the Jews. I don't believe they should be exterminated, but they should be able to be criticized for starting things like Bolshevism.
>>77973929
>Google you stupid nigger.
Yes, I see now. I am truly a stupid nigger for not finding your reference from a blank white page with numbers on it and nothing else.
>Google says it was a propaganda attempt by the Soviet Union
So then why are their other numbers trustworthy? Why is anything they report trustworthy? Why haven't we investigated Auschwitz ourselves instead of making second hand estimations?
>Gish Gallop is a shitty tactic
Says the guy who posted a book with numbers I can't look up and sources I can't see. Why don't you point out where I tried to overwhelm you with information? Meanwhile I'll just try to refute numbers from a 1500 page book I don't have access to.
>>77975853
I don't have any feelings about "The Jews."
I have feelings about individual Jews.
I like my doctor. I dislike Netanyahu because he's a right wing war monger. I like the Jewish inventors and economists who helped make America rich. I dislike the people who made fake holocaust stories to make a profit, but no more than I hate the people who made up fake 9/11 stories to profit off of that (The number of real 9/11 victims keeps going down! It must have been fake!).
You can't blame an entire tribe (yes, Jews are a tribe, like Cherokee, think about it.) for one ideology. Especially one that they didn't even create. (Socialism existed for decades and decades before Marx wrote anything, he merely put an existing ideology to paper)
>>77974324
Jesus Christ, JIDF much?
>What are "The official numbers?"
I think we both know what they are
>By all means, tell me exactly how many people is the minimum you are allowed to say before you go to jail in Canada.
Funny, but I don't want to find out. Obviously so-called "hate speech" laws were not as severe as they are today. Ask ((Dr. Norman Finkelstein)) how the AIPAC and ADL treats simple inquiry.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcx43AmAyY
>>77976294
Makes sense to me. Thanks for the info. I still think as a tribe they have evolved to a condition socially where they have been very successful at infiltrating others' systems of governance to better their own interests at the expense of others. That's just me though
>>77976291
>So then why are their other numbers trustworthy? Why is anything they report trustworthy? Why haven't we investigated Auschwitz ourselves instead of making second hand estimations?
Many, many people have. Look it up some time. You'll find a whole new world.
>Why don't you point out where I tried to overwhelm you with information?
Sorry, I confused you with the guy who posted the pastebin, since you replied to that post. The computer I'm on doesn't track post color.
>>77976415
In general they are parasites
#NotAllMuslims applies to #NotAllJews but they lie so you have to remove them all or they will abuse your trust
>>77976366
>I think we both know what they are
I don't. There are 20 different estimates on wikipedia. I guess 19 people are going to jail!
>>77976366
>Funny, but I don't want to find out. Obviously so-called "hate speech" laws were not as severe as they are today. Ask ((Dr. Norman Finkelstein)) how the AIPAC and ADL treats simple inquiry.
Let's ask Google about the laws then, since you don't appear to have access to it.
>Sections 318, 319, and 320 of the Code forbid hate propaganda.[3] "Hate propaganda" means "any writing, sign or visible representation that advocates or promotes genocide or the communication of which by any person would constitute an offence under section 319."
>Section 318 prescribes imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years for anyone who advocates genocide. The Code defines genocide as the destruction of an "identifiable group." The Code defines an "identifiable group" as "any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation."
>Section 319 prescribes penalties from a fine to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years for anyone who incites hatred against any identifiable group.
>Under section 319, an accused is not guilty: (a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true; (b) if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text; (c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or (d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada.
Yep, sure sounds like historical research is illegal. I guess you win!
>>77976695
Anon, you seem reasonable. Try checking out Kevin B. MacDonald. He writes about Jews from a scholarly viewpoint. His stuff is very interesting.
>not an anti-Semite
>>77976415
Jews are a tribe because they are a religion and an ethnicity.
For instance, if a white guy goes to their local Indian reservation and says "No guys! I worship the Earth too! I follow your religion perfectly!" then no one will accept him fully as Cherokee.
Likewise, if a genetic Indian who's doesn't know his family history (he just think's he's tan) and has never been on the reservation, and turns into a hockey playing Catholic priest, no one on the reservation will take him seriously either.
Even though both people are technically "Cherokee"
Get it?
>jews dindu nuffin
Even though they didn't get gassed, they should have been
>>77977229
Ah yes, the "Jewish almanac" often cited by deniers as some sort of holy book. They believe it has magic powers to conduct a worldwide census every single year and be 100% accurate, even back before the internet!
Yet, somehow in the Jew's evil plot to fake the holocaust, they didn't tell the Jews! If only the Jews had gotten the Jews and their magic book to help them!
Seriously, the argument you're making itself makes no damn sense.
>>77977109
Yep, kill a few million for the actions of 9. Makes sense to me. 25 years after those actions of course.
This thread is winding down, so I will leave you all with one thing:
If you REALLY want to disprove the holocaust, there is one very easy way to do it.
Simply prove that all, or nearly all, of the people in the holocaust database didn't actually die.
http://yvng.yadvashem.org/
That's what we did for the false 9/11 victims. People went down the list one by one and disproved the fake and non-existent people, until we got to the number we have today.
>>77975838
This really bugs me for two reasons.
Basically this discussion about the holocaust is irrelevant.
If they were not legitimate targets it does not really matter if it was just 250k or 6000k deaths.
Both would be a very horrible crime.
On the other hand, if they were legitimate targets, all bets are off.
It does not matter how many we Germans killed as it was all fair game to attack and destroy your enemy.
Then we could discuss it like every war in history. A lot of dead people for whatever reason.
And I would not mind a reputation of turning my enemies to lamp shades and soap, true or not.
It also was normal procedure to enslave enemies and to kill off the useless people of another tribe you are at war with.
>>77976695
>I guess you win!
Thanks buddy! That's all I wanted to hear.
REST OF POST DISCARDED
>>77976483
>Many, many people have. Look it up some time. You'll find a whole new world.
So basically "Google it" again? Alright, lets see. First result was about a Polish investigation which turned up no evidence for gas used in gas chambers, and actually points out that your nifty little picture here >>77975301 is an outright lie.
"The aforementioned Institue of Forensic Research later conducted their own investigation in 1990... they found cyanidic compounds at notably higher levels in all of the gas chambers." - Point five on picture
That's apparently literal bullshit. I can only imagine the person who wrote it either didn't understand the scientific report, or was lying intentionally, which should be testament to why I'm so insistent on reading things myself, as you should be. So on that note, read the actual report, why don't you? See for yourself. http://www.whale.to/b/krakow.html
>>77958162
There were no gas chambers. It's a fucking fairty tale
>>77958162
The only gassing done was with carbon monoxide and it was to kill retards and cripples as mercy killings. Carbon monoxide is painless when compared to the miserable existence those gimps were living. The euthanasia was carried out by medical doctors and usually in a hospital or sanitarium. All of the gas chambers at the concentration and work camps were built post war by the Soviets. There are no German built gas chambers. The gas chamber at Auschwitz with the fingernail scratches on the walls is a Russian built memorial and all of those tourists that can feel the evil in the room are feeling the onus of a great lie.
>>77958162
fake
some died at the end of the war from starvation
but not as many as the fucking brits killed in the firebombing of the non military city of dresden
>>77975301
>needed to be scrubbed of excrement
Did they shit all over the walls and roof?
>>77977494
>>77978203
So we can't trust world record keeping on jews, but we can trust world record keeping on jews?
Aight.
>>77958162
This pretty much proves it didn't happen. The entire thing is debunked through science and math.
>>77980171
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlBA2zp992c
>>77978423
they had it coming
an entire wheelbarrow full of marks to buy bread while schlomo rules your country. Thinking of my oma having to go through that shit. losing her house to a rent seeking kike. who the fuck wouldn't pop. I am surprised it wasn't real the nazis must have been great men to resist the temptation of killing them all.
One thing that always stuck out in my mind is this: If they burned this vast amount of bodies, where are the ashes and bone fragments? I would think there would be thousands of pounds of ashes and bone left behind.
If I remember correctly there are sites where they claim bodies/remains are deposited, but they have never allowed examination of the areas.
hmm.....
>>77978203
Also just a side note:
>"Now you see why the Gish Gallop is a shitty tactic."
>"Simply prove that all, or nearly all, of the people in the holocaust database didn't actually die."
Literally go fuck yourself.
Someone tell me where the 6 million figure came from please
>>77962828
Utter nonsense. The German war machine was a thing to behold.
>>77980677
>On an average, it takes about one to three hours to cremate a human body, thereby reducing it to 3-7 pounds of cremains - cremationresource.org
An yet the nazis burned and/or disposed of 3000 per day? Must've been ovens from the future
>>77958162
http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/
This was a long ass documentary, pretty interesting. Though i still am not sure on the whole situation.
>>77958162
There is no evidence that the supposed gas chambers ever existed. All currently existing examples were "reconstructed" after the war and there are no pictures of any of the originals. What's more, the supposedly authentic recreations would be extremely dangerous for the executors due to incomplete insulation. But even if the gas chambers were properly designed, they are an incredibly slow, expensive, inefficient, and shitty method of performing group executions.
The holocaust did happen. But most of those who died, died of starvation, then disease, and then gunfire. And the total number that died is at least ten times fewer than the current historical scripture of Nazi activity during WWII. For it to be as high as they claim is unsubstantiated and almost physically impossible, much less economically viable.
>>77981362
open air cremation sites, the ovens were a tiny percent of the cremation
>>77981467
At least you can discuss it on this site, leaf and not go to jail for words, or in the least get your reputation and name ruined, if it is an opportunity for a power hungry politician or butthurt kike.
we have stromfags creating these threads every day. always the same thing "lets settle it once and for all did X happen?"
>>77981687
I have family who were on both sides of the war you cuckleaf. I want to know both sides to get a better view of the events.
>>77981540
We are able to cremate a human body in 2 hours thanks to modern crematoriums which reach temperatures upwards of 1800 degrees Fahrenheit. You could not reach anywhere near this temperature with WWII contemporary crematoriums, much less and open cremation site, and thus the body disposal would take much longer. The amount of fuel alone required to burn so many bodies would have been prohibitive.
I'm not saying they didn't burn bodies, because they absolutely did. But no where near the amount that is assumed by most.
>>77981638
People can do their own research, this stuff gets posted here enough that you would have to be retarded OR a shill to keep making these threads. these threads are always made by stormfags shilling the exact same fucking template to post.
>>77958162
Germans had real reasons to detain jews after what happened in ww1, but i'm going to focus on how so many ended up dying. I'll go into the reasons if you're interested.
Let's think about this logically. The Germans had priorities for where their very limited food production went. 1. Soldiers and combat units 2. German Civilians 3. Civilians in captured areas 4. Forced laborers 5. Concentrated Jews.
The Jews were very low on the list in terms of who recieved government support, but even german civilians were limited to about 1600 calories per day based on strict rationing. So naturally the Jews would be at a much lower 800-1000 calorie diet by the end of the war. Enough to survive, but not enough to be healthy or keep your immune system working. This combined with Typhoid, dysentary, tuberculosis, typhus and other diseases, led to massive amounts of death. Although tragic, unavoidable by the germans. Now, the massive crematoriums are logical becasue the only effective way to get rid of a diseased body is to burn it. Otherwise you risk the disease spreading when it decomposes.
I'm sure the massive bombing campaigns against railroads roads did not help the germans recieve adequate food supplies at their camps, and could have only furthered the problem. I don't doubt that a massive amount of jews died, but it seems logical that it wasnt mass systematic murder.
>>77981943
>>77978203
>Simply prove that all, or nearly all, of the people in the holocaust database didn't actually die.
Done. This is why you're a nigger.
http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/about/hall_of_names/what_are_pot.asp
"Pages of Testimony are special forms created by Yad Vashem to restore the personal identities and to record the brief life stories of the six million Jews murdered by the Nazis and their accomplices. Submitted by survivors, remaining family members or friends in commemoration of Jews murdered in the Holocaust."
No verification, no backchecking, no fucking nothing. I could submit Shemshem Shalabernstein and as long as I was willing to sign my name on it, no one would ever ask. You're so high on your own supposed superiority and "objectivity" that you don't even know what the word means. You just google up whatever you need without reading it and tell others to do the same. You said "google it" more times in this thread than jews died in gas chambers.
Now peace out, nigger. I've got a jew-shaped baked potato in the oven waiting on me.
>>77982084
Thats not how the numbers were counted and estimated, you are the nigger. Let me guess, you think jews are some kind of hive mind?
>>77982084
That websites testimonies is simply used for commemoration of the victims, has nothing to do with official records
>>77982208
> Let me guess, you think jews are some kind of hive mind?
Uh, serious answer or meme answer?
>>77982208
Where did the 6 million figure come from?
Actually curious
proof please
>>77981943
Maybe I'm on at the wrong times, but I only see Reich/Gorillion threads about once a week.
>>77982310
added up from different sources, testimonies and documents of the einsatsgruppen,for example, we have documents proving several large areas becoming "jewish free". The majority of the killings did not occur in the camps, I dont know why everyone focuses on the camps when most of the killings were done by special squads in occupied territories by bullets. Even the first killings were not started by germans, but by lithuanians
>>77982208
>>77982304
The website is what he asked for. He gave me the criteria to disprove it, so that is what I did. It is 100% unreliable for anything.
Reading comprehension is why you, my friend, might also be a nigger.
>>77982531
To add, if you don't believe jweish testimonies, okay, but most of the testemonies for the 3 main einsatsgruppen killings were made by non jews, and we have letters sent home from people in these squads which clearly state that mass killings were done
>>77980360
>>77982531
I think, they focus on it, because the indoctrination, I mean state education does. And so does most of the hollywood propaganda.
>>77982310
There's a better collection of these floating around the chan, but the 6 million figure comes up again and again. They really love that number.
>>77982564
That is how the website's numbers were counted and estimated, I should add, before you jump on a "gotcha!" with that. The website has little to nothing to do with historical record keeping, and does not verify the people submitted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=WPa_QeV9KDM
rau Haverbeck was sentenced by a German court to ten months in prison for the opinions which she expresses in this video. This is the "freedom of expression" and "freedom of belief" that "democracy" has given Germany .
>>77982779
>>77982871
Thank you friend. Can i save it?
>>77982660
all claims, no evidence
SHOW US THE LETTERS
>>77982956
I dont have Odilo Globocniks biography on me atm. Sorry to disappoint, I guess it never happened eh?
Jesus H. Christ you retards are worse than /r/conspiracy
>>77982817
>This video is not available in your country.
They literally shut it down!
>>77983066
if you can't back it up, dont bring it up
im not looking for someone saying there were letters in their biography, i am looking for actual letters
>>77982871
>>77982779
>6,000,000
Hitler knew
>>77962209
Zyklon b doesn't dissolve bodies. How do you dispose of so many bodies?
Logistically it doesn't add up and no evidence has been offered to explain it.
No one is denying work camps, or that Jews were put in them, or that many Jews in camps dies from starvation and disease. Those things are horrible enough without making up stories about gassing and holocoasters.
Jews have a long history of playing the victim. The eye witness stories play directly into that narrative but logistically most of the claims would be impossible.
>>77983174
give me a second anon. I'll download it and upload it somewhere
>>77962420
That isn't a hitler quote.
Here is one describing zyklon B usage by SS
>>77983174
Damn hanz that fucking sucks, i feel like if it was 100% true then who the hell cares about some fringe tinfoils talking about it. However when you cant even question any aspect of it, seems pretty suspecious. Now i am not saying it didn't happen, but damn if the info isn't compelling. Can't you use a proxy to watch it i'd be very interested if the translations are correct
>>77983154
you have to go back
>>77983505
"Today there was a case of illness due to slight symptoms of poisoning with Prussic acid [hydrogen cyanide from Zyklon]. This makes it necessary to warn all those involved with gassings, as well as other SS personnel, that especially when opening gassed rooms, SS personnel not wearing gas masks must wait at least five hours and keep a distance of 15 meters from the chamber. In this regard, particular attention should be paid to the wind direction."
>>77958162
>Did the Nazis really use gas chambers to exterminate the Jews?
It's almost certain they did not.
Did some Jews die at the hands of nazis?
Without a doubt, but the numbers are MASSIVELY inflated.
>>77983440
good man, did you check it out by chance fellow burger?
>>77983678
no i just scrolled through it. YouTube downloader is taking a little longer than expected. I should have it uploaded in about 5 minutes, Hans
>>77983871
download eta about 4 minutes
>>77970895
>but the kikes got what they deserved
Israel?
>>77959097
>liberated Ohrdruf. So yes there is undeniable proof the camps existed. I'm wondering there are arguments that say there were no gas chambers
Surprise... according to allied camp inspections the only "extermination" camps have been on soviet territory. Ohrdruf is in Germany, not Poland. Your grandpa saw starved people because of food rationing at the end of the war.
>>77973000
It's a crime in Germany.
>>77983174
stay with me anon. it's almost ready
>>77983966
if they had any objectivity they'd seek evidence not arguments
>>77984251
it's lagging. give me like 4 more minutes tops
>>77984162
See these:
>>77983505
>>77983595
Hitler even sent a shit ton of jews to Palestine. With their assets intact, which is a whole other matter.
>>77983174
you still there man?
>>77984575
Eichmann was refused by palestine
Who here has ACTUALLY watched a lot of recordings from the eichmann trial?
>>77983595
>SS personnel not wearing gas masks must wait at least five hours and keep a distance of 15
Truly Uebermenschen, constantly gassing people and carrying out the 100lb bodies while wearing gas masks. Hellboy was a documentary!
>>77983726
They are talking about the de-lousing rooms, friend. That's what zyklon-B is used for.
If the Nazis had to wait a MINIMUM of 5 hours to clear the room of gas (which I've never heard mentioned in holocaust stories before), then the volume of gassings which supposedly took place at auschwitz could not have taken place.
https://www.mediafire.com/?238sgh4l9ofhdyv
well here you go guys. I'd save this in case it gets taken down someday. I don't know if Hans is still with us anymore unfortunately
>>77984889
Those were recommendations, the doctors themselves did not truly know how the gas worked accurately, they believed the gas worked by paralyzing the lungs
>>77984975
oh fuck me the subtitles are missing. this was a goddamn waste of time. sorry guys
>>77984397
>See these:
>>>77983505
>>>77983595
The letter doesn't say if it is about rooms for clothing (thyphus) or for people
>>77983524
USed a proxy and watched the first five minutes. It's 4:40 am here btw - goddamn Americans.
Jokes aside...the video makes me feel very uneasy. She seems to be a very genuine person, as far as I can tell and what she says and if I believe it with her can get me in great trouble...
She also talks about another holocaust: on deported East Germans, she means people from the Sudetenland and others. My great- and granparents were among them. Adenauer said: 6 million had died (again six million). Official numbbers are 2,5-3 million. And that NOBODY talks about them and their gruesome, horrible death, but instead ALL Germans are painted as the villains.
But yeah, that's how it is when you lose a war. "Truth" is for the victors.
>>77985096
this is only useful if you know german
>>77985130
glad you got access
>>77985085
Oh ok.
So they're recommendations to SS staff working the de-lousing station.
Here you have a witness who was inside the chamber (without gas mask) and survived. She didn't even realize that the SS tried to gas her.
I dont believe everything about the Bosnian genocide, but there are simply too many historical testimonies and accounts for the german mass killings of many groups of people, not just jews, but roma as well
>>77985085
I don't believe that. We are talking about German doctors here. You can't tell me, they didn't know how this gas worked. In the twentieth century? And such an ordinary gas? Sounds unlikely.
>>77984162
Your low cunning in this thread keeps up the dialogue on the extermination matter. Your action keeps the discussion alive as many people like you keep "denying" the Holocaust. Why don't you just come out and say you work for Israel?
If the so-called "deny-ers" would be quiet, the Holocaust would fade away out of the memory of the uneducated. But, no, you promote the narrative that makes intelligent people do more research and discover what we don't want known. I have to admit, though, denying the Holocaust was a genius move in keeping the research of it alive among this generation.
>>77985381
Rudolf Hoss himself describes talking to a doctor and asking how the gas worked
>>77985130
sorry man, if you can check out http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv
I still believe the holocaust took place(Just not at those insane numbers), but a Germans insight would be awesome
>>77985130
>hat's how it is when you lose a war. "Truth" is for the victors.
truth is independent of winners or losers and stands on its own
>>77985085
GERMAN doctors, jesus you are retarded. They where the fucking best, and for some reason couldn't figure out the lethality of gas?
>>77985397
Wat
>>77985555
Yes GERMAN SS DOCTORS. He describes the entire conversation in his diary.
>>77985555
They knew the lethality of the gas but not THE EXACT way it killed humans, so they advised extra precaution.
>"the reason why we can't find all the bodies is because they were cremated"
>basic math proves it is impossible to do with the infrastructure of auschwitz especially if you look at the blueprints and take the sonderkommando sob story into account
really makes you think
>>77985698
My doctor told me not to drink bleach.
Doesn't mean it was used to kill Jews, desu.
>>77985698
>>77985630
Well i guess that wooden door threw their "guesses" into a tailspin hmm leaf?
>>77985397
>say you work for Israel?
Yes I do, and i get paid 6.66 Shekels for every Jew who makes Aliyah because xir is afraid that the truth will be known.
>>77985447
I can watch it. But even IF the Nazis were actually not as bad and IF they gave you people what you are looking for, there is NO WAY the power struggle against the Jewish diaspora could be won in Germany. It just can't, even if you revived Adolf Hitler himself today.
If there is a war and if you want to win this war, it can only be won in exactly one country and that is the USA. The centre of Jewish life, finance, media and power.
>>77986138
>>77986143
Though nothing could come of it, still an interesting look into our history. Your and my ancestors had an interesting all be it awful situation, that i think history didn't exactly pay fair tribute to.
>>77985558
The vigorous denial of the Holocaust makes more people study it. Like, "Hey what's all this Holocaust shit they're arguing about? Guess I better Google it..." and then they study it and become believers!
Stop denying the Holocaust and the current and next generation will fucking forget about it!
Israel has a lot of smart people and they came up with the denial aspect to keep people interested and arguing about the Holocaust.
If you argue about the reality of what happened you are making Israel very happy. Their plan is working.
>>77987113
so wait denying the holocaust helps the jews?
>>77987220
Sounds pretty weird. Everything and the opposite of everything is somehow one more piece in the gigantic masterplan of the world jewish conspiracy.
Some day I want to meet one of these grand master scheemers. They sound more fascinating and cunning than any super villain.
>>77987220
yes
>>77987113
>Stop denying the Holocaust and the current and next generation will fucking forget about it!
Every year is Holocaust anniversary in German media to destroy every last bit of national pride that might have formed during the last 356 days. No one will forget about it until the last German was killed by Islamists. Unless the truth will uncuck them!
>>77986867
Well, let's say my great-grandparents and grandparents were deported in cattle wagons, with crying children, bombed as civilians, almost got killed several times, found their relatives in bomb craters, had to do almost slave labour, lived in ruins and although they were social democrats were branded Nazis all their life.
Although I have to say: I think it's more of a thing of the last 25 years, since the left took over power. The USA needed Germany in the cold war and so Nazi, muh six gorillion indoctrination didn't happen at the time. Whenever I talked with my parents, mostly my father, he looked at me like I was exaggerating when I told him that I was indoctrinated. So indoctrination is for Gen X and millenials by the leftist boomer generation as teachers, professors and media figures.
>>77987698
I don't care and I'm not denying anything, in fact I'm Jewish weirdly enough. My Bubbie is the one who taught me to question this shit, her parents made out like bandits from ww2. Her father, and mother were both "death camp" prisoners, but often would talk about how fun the plays where. Who the fuck has prisoner plays at a death camp tho?
>>77958162
Its a myth the nazis loved jews the nuremberg laws were a myth
>>77987957
I understand, and with the horrific USSR rape soldiers and what not. Love you Hans, and sucks you live in the once great fatherland
>>77988024
Good Christ
>>77981943
Stfu retard
>>77987975
You're Jewish? That's interesting. I've always wanted to ask one of the Chosen: Do you think there is a way to get Europe into a future which is not entirely and completely founded on Auschwitz?
You've seen what happened since 2015. That's not a healthy development at all. And Germany has been a sick country for a very long time now, has been poisoned from within by this ideology. People who were born 40, 50, 60 years after WW2 - educated to hate and despise themselves and to believe self-destructive ideologies.
This can't go on, otherwise it will cause great damage to Germany and Europe. Even modern civilization at large.
>>77982564
Sure
>>77988333
Well, with the Russian "rape soldiers"... my great-grandparents were social democrats and so my great-grandfather helped Russian war prisoners - with food, water, general stuff like that. So, as far as I know, he got some hints and it saved the life of my grandmother. If he hadn't, I wouldn't exist. Because apparently other young women were raped to death - literally. But still my grandmother had to run for her life and by the Czechs, they spat on her and called her "German pig!" They also had Jewish friends and visited them once getting rounded up. Although they had no idea what would happen to them afaik. I think they didn't ask, because many people got questioned by the Gestapo and people were denounced by their own relatives. It was a dictatorship after all.
My grandmother always blamed Hitler, because he had started the war.
>>77988561
Picture this, you went throught something shitty ie Auschwitz (though my relatives where not at that location). It wasn't fun being a POW obviously, but after the event you got to make big money from the event. Honestly would you lie to keep getting cash, or would you deny and get nothing (And get canned from getting any cash). I totally understand why my relatives took that route. I'm not fully jewish, another weird thing is my fathers side was german SS soldiers, actually they had jewish blood which always confused me.
>>77988930
err through
>>77961326
>go insane from murdering people with bullets
>totally okay with gassing them en masse and burning the bodies
hahaha, makes complete sense moshe
>gas more merciful than a quick bullet
>>77988561
sad thing about being a burger is being a mutt, and trying to sort out each side of the spectrum.
>>77988880
>My grandmother always blamed Hitler, because he had started the war.
It's traitors like your grandmother that created the modern, cucked Germany.
>>77988930
I would say the truth. But I am different than most people. I know that most people, not just Jews, take the beneficial route.
But if you believe in God and God is truth, lying is a very low thing to do. In my eyes maybe the lowest.
With the entire holocaust narrative I also think it is a very complicated thing: the entire past war politics of 70 years and the order of Europe today are founded on it, literally the structure of the state of Germany.
So I understand that, even if you were willing to come forward with the truth, it is probably the last thing anyone would want to do: politician, private person, intellectual.
Still...if Germany and Europe are to get healthy again, it needs to happen. Otherwise it will cause great harm for a lot of people. It already has.
>>77988561
Sorry also didn't answer your questions.
"Do you think there is a way to get Europe into a future which is not entirely and completely founded on Auschwitz?"
Germany is doing pretty damn good atm. Sadly this will loom for at least another 150+ years thanks to that shit show we call the the Nuremberg trials
"You've seen what happened since 2015. That's not a healthy development at all. And Germany has been a sick country for a very long time now, has been poisoned from within by this ideology. People who were born 40, 50, 60 years after WW2 - educated to hate and despise themselves and to believe self-destructive ideologies."
I think germany is doing the "Jew" thang now and will become a top world power very soon
>>77989434
Yeah, I didn't expect anything else from people on this site.
And you have neither lived in the time, nor are you having any idea what you are talking about.
>>77989847
She was pretty brave Imop, denying to keep her family alive.
>>77989845
Then you're a lot more optimistic than the Germans themselves are. A lot more.
>>77964813
>>77964913
>>77965252
>>77965528
Hitler killed the wrong people, cancucks should've been at the top of his list
>>77990176
I mean obviously I am not educated to the whole shabang. However germans are the people who gave us everything, and i fucking love your country. Moon landings, hypothermia treatments, and soo much more from your tribe. I am proud of my german heritage, and my jew heritage as well (Gotta love a manipulator). Weird off the wall question, do you teach german at all? Assuming you know it, but it's been something i've wanted, and a native would be awesome./;
>>77990165
I don't know. The average Joe of the time didn't really have much of a choice, he just got drafter or it was mandatory for him to be in the BDM or HJ. Sure, you might have been able to go to prison instead of serving, but at the time who would have done that? You had no idea what and how the dictatorship would turn out. I think, it's completely illusory to think anyone of us would have done that back then.
But that this generation didn't talk about the war, isn't just a meme, I think. My grandparents would never talk about it. Never. Only if I asked repeatedly. And they never respect your suffering - whatever it is. Which is quite obnoxious tbqh. "Unless it's war, it's fucking nothing!" I can understand that to a degree, but when you have a car accident or something similar and it's still not respectable suffering, that can get annoying.
>>77988930
>I'm not fully jewish, another weird thing is my fathers side was german SS soldiers, actually they had jewish blood which always confused me.
Robert Wagner is that you?
>>77990823
he may have been a wehrmacht soldier, sadly most of my fathers ancestor records can't be found.
>>77990590
No, sorry. I don't teach it. But you should be able to go to the Goethe institute at any time where they teach German and afaik some about German culture. It's also free afaik.
They used to be active in every country in the world, but I am certain there are still several in the USA.
>>77990176
It's easy to see this 'indoctrination' in others, we're all products of social engineering to some degree. I believe some people choose to believe whatever suits their narcissism, despite facts or logic. Others may be misled by half-truths, like the misinformation on the holocaust, but may change their opinion.
I wouldn't look at someone ashamed of killing 6 million jews as a cancerous product of social engineering, rather they're underdeveloped adults.
Ayn Rand grouped them together as bullies, beggars, and politicians...pretty much anyone who didn't produce or service in the economy, sociopaths/psychopaths whom have all silently agreed to eschew pride and morals for their own narcissism.
>>77991052
Thanks Hans, it was a pleasure to converse with you! Though I am an inbreed of hate, I always felt something was amiss. My brothers took the other route, and they are fucking loaded. which ALWAYS bothered me. Great thing is my relatives assets are going to be evenly distrusted, so i feel it's alright to question everything; because no matter what i get some dollas from the whole horrific thing. Be it true or not./
also the lack of Israel posts is very funny to me. See you in a few Israel. Gotta love a free "religious" trip
>>77962420
Goebbels quote. Used when referring to Jewish propaganda.
Anyone can take shit out of context and make it seem bad, you're not special.
>>77991110
Well, it's true that we are all a product of social engineering to some degree. But the education, indoctrination, the taboos and stigmata are very serious in Germany today. Being accused of antisemitism is worse than the accusation of a child eating cannibal. It can destroy people and so it is used by politicians. It determins thought, action, speach and identity. The accusation of antisemitism, like of racism and Nazism is used to shut down critics, silence debates, enforce political agendas. It is the hardest club in the arsenal of the leftists and I can understand why they won't give it away. But I cannot help to recognize the damage it's done to this generation. And you certainly won't get Hitler or Himmler with it. But Hans and Maria, born in the 80s and 90s.
>>77991429
And I know this feeling to be an inbreed of hate. I wouldn't worry too much about it though: all children with divorced parents are this to some degree. :^)
>>77958162
If Zyklon-B was really used for gassing in the "Death camps" then why are the camps supplied with equal amounts of Zyklon? Certainly the one gassing people would be supplied with more, right? No way delousing would use the same amount as genocide.
>>77989140
I'm a denier myself but the official story is that it took the humanity out of it, you put them in a room and shut the door, wait a few minutes and done.
>>77958162
OP, did americans really use bombers called "flying fortresses" to drop firebombs on women, children, elderly and wounded?
we can argue over whether or not gas chambers may or may not have kind of sort of maybe existed. but the simple truth is it is known and acknowledged fact allies deliberately firebombed men women and children.
the holocaust was a cover-up to hide the REAL holocaust. and if word ever gets out? well, they're screwed. it is the greatest cover-up in history.
if you talk of the evils of Germans, how can you ignore the evils of allies? but the truth is people are liars. they aren't REALLY moral authorities. they are opportunists who want to be patted on the back. they do not care two shits about the jews, nor about the germans, nor about anyone but themselves. so they pretend to cry for the jews that were in "gas chambers" that never existed, but laugh off the idea usa built bombers and bombed civilians deliberately as clearly documented fact.
this is the stupidity of humanity. the blithering idiocy of it all. this is the world we live in. welcome.
>>77962505
A jew trembles when hearing he has to work? Sounds about right.
>>77962420
hitler said that about the JEWS in mein kampf. which is ironical the jews try to make it like he was saying how HE would lie. he was explaining how jews manipulate in the media. funny how the jews twisted it to be like he just wrote a book about how he planned on lying to people, sold it to the people he would lie to, they loved it, then they voted for him. so absurd.
in truth that is how the jews are.
just like the holocaust. where we believe in the holocaust, but don't even think about how we built fleets of bombers which, by all fact, bombed women and children and elderly and wounded, violating geneva convention. but since that is never mentioned, we think of jews dying(mostly as a result of allied bombing).
but they repeat the lie that he was speaking of what HE WAS PLANNING TO DO instead of that he was describing jews.
but everyone is too busy watching TV and jerking off to notice. imbeciles.
>>77970640
They got him making a mistranslation....
The holocaust never happened listen to Ernst zundel as well
>>77961326
I saw that show on the History channel after pawn stars right before ancient aliens.
>>77995921
good god!
>>77982817
I have watched the whole video. And to read again that she was sent to prison for it, really tells you a lot about our country. You've expressed it well enough.
But this whole topic will not be addressed by anyone. Not even by our so called "right-wing" parties. It is just too dangerous: she's in prison, Horst Mahler is in prison, Sylvia Stolz is in prison, the chemist she mentioned is in prison. There's no way to talk about it! Because not only do you go to prison, you are demonized by the mass media. Completely demonized. Listening to denier is like defending a satanic child-rapist in Germany.
And I wonder, if this remains the case, then we might remain stuck with:
- collective guilt
- demonization of Germans and German culture
- the civil religion of Auschwitz including self-hatred and self-destruction as "redemption"
- an unfree and slavish mindset which is strangeling us
Hopefully, Germany can free itself from all of it, including white guilt, without addressing the holocaust. Otherwise, Germany and probably Western Europe will just become islamic and black.
>>77989754
> But if you believe in God and God is truth
A German who still believes in a the jewish monotheistic narrative after the jews waged two genocidal wars against them?
Now the suicidal Israeli reparations and Islamic migrant cuckoldry finally makes sense.
>>77996701
Uh the whole thing i like 9+hours long
>>77996701
ooh nvm thought you were talking about "The greatest story never told".
