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RECENT MAPS
>Raqqah June 20
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>Manbij June 19
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>South Aleppo June 18
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>Fallujah June 17
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>Latakia June 16
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>Palmyra June 13
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DEVELOPMENTS JUNE 20
>ISIS captures Sfaiyeh oilfield south of Tabqa Airbase. Map Update
>Syrian Army launches new assault to liberate Thawrah Oil Fields in west Raqqa
>New Syrian Army seizes Al-Zubeida Point near Iraqi border
>Turkish troops kill 11 Syrians trying to cross border: monitor
>Islamist rebels launch new offensive in Darayya
>US, Russia agree to improve coordination on Syria
>Iraqi Forces rescue 354 Yezidi women in Fallujah
>Iraqi Army captures 4 villages near Fallujah
Previous >>77860504
>SouthFront June 20
https://youtu.be/wgX0uiChHrE
>>77944102
SAAnime!
God dammit the Raqqa offensive was a complete waste of time.
Does this mean they're back to focusing on Aleppo? Or are they gonna try again?
Nth for preservation of Syrian wildlife!
>Iraqi Forces rescue 354 Yezidi women in Fallujah
This is really terrible. These are some of the last 'native' inhabitants of Iraq/Mesopotamia. They have a unique religion, customs, and now thousands have been killed and probably thousands of their women have been raped and brutalized.
Those 354 women are probably pregnant with half-arab children, and after 2+ years of rape and abuse they are probably lost to their families and neighbors forever.
Just terrible. Would have been better if they died probably.
>ISIS Regains Full Control Of All The Towns And Villages Which Were Controlled By The Syrian Regime SAA In Tabqa Countryside
https://twitter.com/Raqqa_SL/status/744964456321515521
Losers
>>77944346
It wasn't complete waste. It just takes time due to lack of manpower. SAA can't extend to the desert without men holding all the roads. It's desert all the way to Raqqa, you know.
>Syrian forces expelled from Raqqa province by ISIS forces
Fuck
>>77944346
They will probably continue to force their 5 offensives and retreat every 3 days.
Expect South Aleppo to be lose entirely by July.
>>77944572
Would be a great time for massive airstrikes on those positions while ISIS forces take up defensive positions.
>>77944346
Depends on what ISIS does. Right now they have a huge army in souther Raqqa, that, once BTFO, could signal the fall of Tabaqah.
My guess is ISIS will fortify it's desert and the SAA will try to do some shit (and probably fail) in Aleppo.
SAA soldiers and Russian airstrikes are useless shit. They don't deserve anything, even if they win something to the end, they won't be able to hold on anything or secure country.
>>77944346
I bet theyll go again
is anybody surprised that ISIS is throwing everything at it???
Tabqah is RIGHT NEXT to Raqqa, and if Tabqah were lost, ISIS would lose the connection to:
entire Aleppo
west Raqqa
Turkish border
and would only have shit roads left for
south half of Raqqa
Homs
southwest half of Deir Ez-zor
east Hama
>SouthFront June 20
>[YouTube] International Military Review - Syria, June 20, 2016 (embed)
Hilarious that this video is talking about SAA gains in Raqqa when Hohols reports full retreat.
What is happening and when did it happen.
So, are we still funding Al-Nusra and/or IS? They've faltered in recent months but the SAA's inability to overcome them, in unison with Russian airstrikes (a tactic which worked so well against the Libyan government, for us) must mean that they're (IS) still receiving outside arms or money.
>>77945041
https://southfront.org/isis-retakes-sfaiyeh-oil-field-pushes-government-forces-back/
>>77945041
The video was made before the ISIS gains
>>77945020
This. It's kind of a desperate attempt to slow down the advance
Is it over then? Has the Raqqa offensive been a blunder?
>Just came back from Beach
More than five years Syria war and there are still some people posting in this thread....how ridiculous
>>77945116
al-Nusra are directly cooperating and allied with every single group that the enemies of Syria are funding (except for NSA/Ahmed Abdo Martyrs cause the areas arent connected), so of course funds and weapons end up there
>>77944572
also hoholmaps are exaggerating with wishful symbolic "SAA got kicked out of Raqqa"-shit . Zakia/Abou Allaj are in Raqqa, not in Aleppo >>77933616
>>77945694
Yep. Should've rushed faster.
>>77944759
No can do right now. Sandstorm for the next 72 hours. ISIS is taking full advantage.
>>77944102
Korengal for Assad
/sg/ in Nutshell
>but Butin kill isis mate :D
>Coalition airstrikes will end isis :D
>Turey subbort ISIS :D
>Lets genocide Turkmans :D
>Biji biji Kurdistan :D
>Very democratic :D
> You subbort isis if you don't agree with what we say :D
>T-90, Su-35
>Otto is gay :D
Bunch of underage niggers think they know the ultimate truth :D
Fuck you /sg/
Long live FSA
>>77945889
No. They did it just right. If they had rushed deeper, ISIS would have encircled them from northwest via road 4 and dirt roads. It's all about losses. Did SAA have any? Did ISIS?
>>77945702
Nasıl hocam, iyimi ? :D
>>77946107
:DDD When will they learn?
>SAA withdraws
lol
>>77945702
M'lady
>>77946390
They probably walked away :D They can't even beat some abu hajars and call it army :D
>>77946154
Well seeing as they are losing south Aleppo because they diverted the 4th mechanized division, republican guards and special forces to the Raqqa offensive I would say that it’s more than about manpower losses.
I haven't been paying attention to what the fuck is going on in Syria. Been battling shill cucks left and right.
Tell me, has ISIS been blown the fuck out, is that why they're chimping out?
How can SAA lose so much territory in what seems a day, even with the ruskie air support? Is hoholmap full of shit on this one? Planned retreat?
>>77946655
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/744973483201953792
> it is the hohol maps not loser SAA :D
>>77946524
>SAA
>>77946655
Planned retreat and yes hohol maps is probably a bit exagerrated.
So let's see if SAA can recapture these territories this week
>>77946569
I wouldn't have engaged in this either, but it does tie up ISIS forces too. I wonder if there's another reason for this. If the russians are calling the shots, there might be something else to this. They are tricksy mofos.
LOL RUS 0 WAL 2
Edited map from last thread to show ISIS gains (approximately).
Any changes needed?
>SAA
Despite Russia'n armored vehicles, ground air support #Syria'n
regime- forces suffered setback on road to Raqqa
>>77947200
no mate
>Su-35/37, Su-24/25, Mig21/29- they are bedder than the F16/22 :D
>Nato is weak :D we have isgandar and tochka :D
>>77947126
>>77947571
lewd
>>77946945
They sacrificed a buffer zone in South Allepo for a failed offensive against IS utilizing some of the SAAs most elite forces. I doubt they have enough free and competent divisions to make any counter-attack from this worthwhile. Most likely they were just hoping for a major victory.
>>77945932
>>77947571
so let me get this straight
if SAA wouldve stayed at Sfaiyeh, they would now be taking a 2 or probably 3-direction massive ISIS attack while a sandstorm is coming up
Sounds like a great plan
You can say the offensive didnt go fast enough but this move seems only logical at this point
>>77946107
gee you type very similar to an autistic idiot that I know.
go breath in a tank of helium gas, faggot
>>77947200
So be glad you don't have to face them, otherwise there will be lot of kekab served.
>>77944572
Hm, I am constantly waiting for some move by IS that would be equivalent to the Ardennes Offensive, meaning taking a risk for one big breakthrough and reversal of losses. Maybe this is it.
>>77945932
Jesus christ! The Russians MUST come back now. Get Kadroyv in there take tabbqa in 2 days and start bombing Raqqa to rubble then send him capture Jisr Al-Shughur and close the border with Turkey. Russia is so afraid of going all in and Syria becoming the next Afghanistan that they're actually losing.
>tfw haven't been meming for greater syria that much
>Tfw SAA suddenly faces setbacks
>Tfw my meme gives the SAA and the Syrian people strength, but only when I regularly meme it
Greater Syria, grant the SAA, SyAAF, and Syrian people your strength!
>>77947985
ahaahahahahhaah holy shit an actual FSA faggot found his way in here? fucking hilarious
someone track him down and ask the russians to drop some white phosphorus on him there's bound to be bunch of towelheads around this terrorist
>>77948115
nah mate. that ottoman when
>>77947467
Lol
>>77947930
The vast desert is really problematic. It's hard to hold and it should be hard to take, when the opposing forces have air superiority. I fucking hope RuAF at least gets to strafe everything along those roads. The coming sand storm might prevent that tho.
>>77947974
Offensive went plenty fast.
The problem is that it could have been faster if they didn't waste the Tiger Forces on a go-nowhere offensive in North Aleppo....
But yeah the withdrawal makes a lot of sense if there is no air support available.
>>77946492
The roach on the left looks like he glued some pubes from the shower drain on his chin
Is low testosterone a problem in Turkey or just with that particular man/boy?
Maybe he is a fuckboi plaything?
>>77948094
Not likely before the parliamentary elections in September. They have to play the meme of "mission accomplished" until then before they can expand their engagement again. Otherwise they would take a good hit in the polls.
Russians are wary of engagements beyond the former SU, memories of the Afghan war in the 80's are still fresh.
Gotta play it little by little.
Daily Reminder:
If you don't support Israel and its allies you can never win
Just accept the Jews are the Masterrace and let them rule you
Rooting for Greater Israel!!!
People should really stop panicking whenever some sort of set back occurs. Everyone is falling into slippery slope memes. Set backs after what, a solid 5 months of gains, and everyone is now expecting it to be over?
Also, giving up territory to avoid future failed fights is a pretty sensible move. The SAA are also entering the ISIS heartlands, while ISIS are probably throwing everything they can into the fight to block any sort of loses.
You should also stop expecting a quick victory.
>>77948910
This.
>>77947467
>Compares multipurpose-fighters to attack planes/bombers
>thinks SyAF has Su-35/37
#JustRoachThings
>>77949279
>>77948673
>>77947985
>>77946492
Lol....
>>77949542
kek
>>77949542
*cringes*
>>77944346
Nope. It was not entirely a waste. They didn't even dig into tabqah by the time there was word of a sandstorm and isis sent fucking everything into the city instead of holding for a defence of raqqa.
It was a damn good offensive but was untenable. They have been moving troops around and are not at full operational strength. The majority of the Syrian army was still on the way to tabqah when they pulled out.
You guys have to understand, and of course the shit posting turk will never understand, that the Syrian military is in a very stressful situation. Russians are getting pressure from American planes, they have too many fronts, and the ceasefire was an ungodly mess.
They look like an Army that was nearly destroyed a few years ago. They are. They're playing carefully and building a supply line as well as proper forces for a siege in order to never fuck up that hard again. They really threw their hat into the ring at Aleppo and were poised to take the city, but the international shenanagins fucked that up.
But they know for a fact that all they have to do is wait for the second Kerry fuck my shit up, because the borders will not change in Aleppo. It might even be better to pull out of that snail trail and quarantine the city. They're going to siege Raqqa to gain international support. They have until January of 2017 to crush ISIS. They don't have enough troops to do an Arab siege. The war is still half over when they do so.
The careful build up must happen or they won't win the war. If they lose too many troops in raqqa, they cannot beat the rebels in time. If they threw what they had at Aleppo, isis would have raped them. It's smart commanding.
>Be putin
>We are gonna destroy the isis :DDDDDDD
>Bombs FSA
:DDD
>be erdogan
>We are gonna destroy the isis :DDDD
>Bombs k*rds
:DDDD
>Be obama
>We are gonna destroy the isis :DDDDD
>Gives weapons to Nusra
:DDD
>be /sg/
>Why is isis not dead yet?
:DDDD
Strength of the sandstorms in the next days.
>>77950046
>bomb fsa
>bomb isis
What's the difference ?
>>77950046
>ISIS
fightng a coalition of 80 countries with nothing but the fire in their ass
>>77949091
It's a multi shit posting battle here m8. The real comfy and discussion left when the turk came to post 20 hours a day.
>>77949113
>>77949542
I haven't posted in months and you are still here shit posting. You could add fucking something to the discussion outside of being a screaming retard.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
They have to pay you to post or something. It's the only way a human being would do this. Do you come here to be yelled at and made fun of?
And people still aren't completely ignoring the turkroach.
i like how alot of people in here make posts that sound like redditors
and i really like how alot of people have usernames in here, just like on reddit
this is just a little hotpocket of reddit
>>77950337
>implying i know who you are
lol
>>77950338
upvote
>>77950046
You missed that US Bombs IS
At least we got that part right.
You also left out:
>be Assad
>Secular democracy
>arrests opposition just like predecessor
>bans opposition
>invites Russia to come kill Syrian citizens
>typical moderate secular muslim dictator
Why behead when your allies will bomb entire cities for you?
>>77950223
FSA are the good guys, ISIS are the neutral guys :DDDD
>>77950293
>Mossad help
>CIA help
>Saudi and Qatari funding also oil money from Turkey
>An infinite supply of fighters from all across the world with some of them being the most experienced terrorist in the world who are used to fighitng against an enemy with air power
>>77950744
Kirby please go.
>>77950744
>be in Daraa
>radical Sunni imam incites violence towards government
>start chimping out like poor radicalized backwards Salafist
>kill security forces member
>hide weapons in mosque
B-B-B-BUT MUH SECULAR REVOLUTION GUIZ
>>77950812
>replying to Ottoman when
Just don't.
>>77950744
>invites Russia to come kill Syrian citizens
>kill
That's not you spell 'liberate'
>>77950126
>Dat black blob of fuck you over Raqqa.
Yeah no. No Russian bombing for the foreseeable future.
>>77950337
>And people still aren't completely ignoring the turkroach.
because "people" on /sg/ are low iq subhumans who can't see the bait posts. they get butthurt by everything -even the flag of poster.
we call people like this "Çomar"
"Onur" just comes here for some cheap laughs.
Good luck
>>77950812
>RT memes
>Turkey oil memes
oil at 5 dollars a barrel made Turkey so fucking rich. Turkey just decides to go and get oil from isis for 2 dollars a barrel. Yeah man, completely right
>>77950744
(You)
>>77951240
>subhumans
>t. turk
:DDDD *cringes*
Why is this war taking so long?
Is FSA the real threat or is it ISIS?
>Failed ISIS offensive in Raqqa (probably from yesterday), many dead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NbcrodeaQs
>General Ayub inspects units in Aleppo and Taqah axis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K-4-d5VANg
>>77950913
Don't like the truth Assad shill?
America rocked the boat but Assad fired the first shots by a violent military crack down on the opposition in 2011.
They even used tanks to roll through Sunni towns killing 100s
Do some research before falling for the "Assad is benevolent" crap.
He is just another Muslim Oppressive Dictator, willing to kill the majority of his people to maintain his power. Just because he is photogenic and has a hot wife doesn't change the facts.
>>77951240
I'm trying to pretend you're not right.
Somehow ottoman shit up the thread so hard the vast majority of the regulars left. It's become a shit posting general ever since. Rip comfy geopolitics thread.
For a man who does it for laughs, he is impressive. He was posting 20 hours a day around January.
>>77951631
The real threat is arab incompetence.
>>77951829
and let me guess.. you support the """Moderate rebels"""
>>77952016
>takes the bait
Are you kidding me?
>>77952155
That was bait? I don't even know any more.
So many terrorist shills in this thread that i've lost count
>>77951842
/pol/ is generally shit and most of posters are underage edgy faggots. Just look how posts about dead american soldiers always get 300+ responses while interesting topics go to shit
i only come here for some /sg/ news. But posters are still all same
>>77952373
Ne göt yaktım be :DD
>>77952331
>Muslim Oppressive Dictator
Gives away that it's bait. Never answer to turk-flag unless it's one of the non-redditor namefags.
>>77952155
Minnesota is autistic, he takes literally every bait. You could tell him North Korea is the most democratic country and he would immediately take the bait
>>77952741
oh fugg :DD how did you know i'm autistic :DDD
>>77952741
Oh wait, right. It's Minnesota. Didn't even look at the name. It's almost given that it's only him who takes the bait.
>>77951089
Nice revisionism Assadlicker
>be in Daraa
>be Sunni majority
>protesting for better representation
>Government forces open fire killing 3
>Retaliation kills 7 Assadists
Movement was mainly led by Suheir Atassi, a secular moderate, oh and a woman.
Imams are involved with all muslim activity, they are religious, judicial, and political. It is a shitty system but it is how Islam works.
There were no documented radicals involved in Daraa.
Once the tanks were rolling into towns, then yes, radicals start filling the ranks.
50% of the army left, so pretty evident the whole situation could have been handled a lot better.
Unless you are an oppressive dictator, then who cares right?
>>77944584
Same.
I got sad when I opended Hoholmaps.
Manbij offensive is slow, but the Kurds are making gains and holding on to their territrory.
They had a couple of aussault from ISIS but
managed to hold the line and killed some ISIS fucker, Which is always nice.
>>77945020
See psot above senpai.
If the Kurds cut off ISIS than isis will be weakended. Like a tree being cut. It will slowly bleed out. So the next time the SAA tries to attack, ISIS will be less strong . Also if USA airforce desides to work together with Ruaf ( Yeah right) Than the offensive could be succesfull. If the USA doesnt stab the SAA in the back and desides to launch an aussault with the moderate beheaders.
>>77951119
Majority Sunni
Oppressed by Assad
I guess killing them liberates them from Oppression but is a pretty shitty way to do it.
That type of "liberation" works both ways.
>>77946492
>>77945702
Ottoman When? I dislike your shitposting but form one man to another, get rid of the beard. It doesnt work for you. Also try to fix your eyebrows a bit. You will be fucking all the goats youd like
>>77953145
>(You)
>>77953238
old pics
>>77951829
(You)
>>77951631
RARE
Also, they're equal threats. The fsa have better weapons and funding as well as being trained in middle eastern countries by the CIA at times, but isis has the raw manpower, the best drugs, and untimely bursts of good stratagem when going against the fsa.
The SAA and Assad are in a strange position. International over watch, even when conducting operations against isis at times, ensures that sieging cities and towns is a nightmare of red tape that even the US doesnt abide by, henceforth leaving their numerical and equipment dominance in a state of "doesn't fucking matter" because they do not have the raw manpower to throw at a situation where 10/1 is a necessary advantage against an insurgency, much less a civil war with more fronts than a BBW actress thrown on top of that.
If they beat the rebels, the war is half over. If they beat isis, same deal. Their plan is to go after raqqa, likely expecting what is transpiring in tabqah, but the original plan before the sandstorm and holy fuck so many isis fighters was to siege raqqa where the wave would come to tabqah, but the movement of troops was slow and the sandstorm fucked it up. It may be better overall that isis went on the offensive. Raqqa may not be as heavily defended as they are lead to believe.
Anyway they are going after isis but being careful to not lose many troops. They can afford to lose more to isis and still fight the rebels. The other way around would have ruined everything. They can leverage the international community from there.
>>77945932
Guys,
If there is a sandstorm, airsupport is useless. Because of the sand and stuff. It blocks the vison. So it makes it easier for groundforces to attack because they dont have to be worried for Ruaf bombing them.
Could this mean that in the Next 72 hours SAA will be BTFO
> Allepo
> Palmyra
> Deir-es- soir ( Oh god no)
> Other frontlines.
I hope to got no, but I must ask KEK
If I get Double Digits SAA will lose
>>77953499
Seriously dude, take toothpaste's advise and get rid off it. No excuses.
>>77953145
If only we could have given them the freedom we gave to Iraq and Libya.
>>77952980
Nice try
http://www.globalresearch.ca/daraa-2011-syrias-islamist-insurrection-in-disguise
>>77948112
HEIL SYRIA
>>77953744
old pics
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>77953713
And then afterwards the SAA will counter attack and the Rebels momentum will be lost.
>>77954122
You should probably post some new ones then.
>>77953713
The sandstorm is probably also part of the reason why the SAA withdrew from Tabqah road
Go to a fortified position and wait until the sandstorm is gone
>>77952016
>>77952155
Not bait shill twins. Just reality.
I don't really support either. I don't think either are actually fighting to make Syria a better place, they all have their agendas.
There is rarely ever a civil war that is totally benevolent. They may start with good intentions but the leaders will quickly be those seeking power and benefit.
Who knows how it will turn out, but if Assad wins, then he is ruling over a ruined nation that is still majority Sunni and the future is very bad. Ongoing violence is very likely and will constantly spill into Iraq.
If the Rebels starting winning, then likely Russia ramps up support and US ramps up support and bad things could happen. Even if this doesn't happen, it is a ruined city and Sunnis will expel Russians and look to the US to help rebuild. Not a great result for anyone.
Only certain power brokers stand to win. Pretty much everyone else loses no matter what.
The main thing is to kill off IS, then move to a ceasefire and some reform to the government, likely more Sunni and Kurd self government in certain regions while Alawites maintain power along the coast.
Also likely needs to be done with Iraq. Balkanization is not a great thing, but it is better than constant civil wars breaking out and better than a Sunni or Shia Caliphate.
Not a great result be may avoid WWIII.
Assad is no hero, just an oppressive dictator. Look at the facts. Did oppressive leaders keep the lid on the bottle until now? Yes, but the bottle usually pops open sooner or later, especially if it gets a good shake.
The Ba'athists kept the lid on, but it is a shaky world and very shaky Middle East.
Going back to oppression to maintain peace may not the best way to go forward.
>>77953713
There's a reason they pulled out of tabqah. Most of their operational forces for the siege were in route. The area around tabqah will be hit the hardest by the sandstorm. In open warfare, any advantage gained by isis because of the lack of air support is negated by the heavy weapons the SAA can use. They have been building up for raqqa for quite a while. This includes the forces from Aleppo and other places because of the looming ceasefire against the rebels again. They just have to not lose half a fucking city and try to defend a city. It seems they learned their lesson last time.
>Aleppo
If the rebels attack with isis in their ass, they just lost and handed assad the win. Consequently, isis will have to siphon troops from the defense of raqqa, and will be open to getting shit on.
>Palmyra
SAA is too dug in and isis will have to go a long way to lose troops they need just to possibly take the city with massive isis casualties. There might not be 3 men left to raise a flag if they do so.
>deir
Possibly.
>>77950338
tbqhwyf, This is a small special pocket on 4chan/POL/
It is our own small ground, our safe space as one could say. We discuss the war, hell we are even open to FSA guys. We would discuss and commit Ad Homins and call eachother fags but it is what it is. On other sites people would get banned for saying they support the SAA. So it is not special to see this place were people wwont get banned or shut down,( granted if they provide some form of argument for their statements/opinions) to see that these members themself have become a bit special.
This isnt a random tread, these our daily treads. I have played Warthunder with some of these gamers. There are a lot of regulars on /SG/ so thats why some users use usernames.
>>77954469
(You)
>>77944102
>Iraqi Forces rescue 354 Yezidi women in Fallujah
BASED
A
S
E
D
>>77953499
So you have removed the beard and trimmed your eyebrows.
Again I dislike your shitposting but I do like to help people.
There is this youtuber called Alpha.M. who does videos about style,fitness and grooming. Good videos for if you are looking for ways to increase your style. He also has some videos about trimming eyebrows. I'd watch it if I were you.
>>77954469
>>77953989
Nice Try
Demonstrators clashed with local police, and confrontations escalated on 18 March after Friday prayers. Security forces attacked protesters gathered at the Omari Mosque using water cannons and tear gas, followed by live fire, killing four.[27][28]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_uprising_phase_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War
http://www.npr.org/2012/03/16/148719850/revisiting-the-spark-that-kindled-the-syrian-uprising
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/157412-syria-hidden-massacre-2011/
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2011/03/2011325145817688433.html
I could keep going, but you get the picture.
Funny how global research is the only one going for the US led snipers firing on police and protester angle.
>>77954469
Well at least you sound more reasonable now than before
Still the angle "Assad is as bad as the opposition" doesnt work and never will.
The Damascus Spring was decent, the shit afterwards was just full retard monkeys chimping out.
Assad will never be perfect but will always be better than al Nusra & friends, no matter what Kirby or Hillary say.
>>77950126
How can anyone doubt that Allah is on the side of the Caliphate???
remove kurds, send them back to iran
>>77954795
>>77954906
>>77955174
Mindless uneducated Assad shills
Shill, Dumb, and uneducated is no way to go through life
>>77955372
ate least they aren't turks bro. like the bible says, love thy neighbor as theyself, unless he's turkish
Would balkanisation of Iraq be a good Idea.
You have Kurds, Sunni and Shia in one country. This creaties friction between the groups. Just look at the Falluhjah offensive. A sunni ara being liberate by the Shia Iraqy army, backed by Shia militant groups. Sunni and Shia hate eachother so it makes no sense into propping htem up in one nation.
>>77944102
Russian MOAB use when?
>>77955600
>(You)
>>77955235
The Syrian government, on the other hand, said that armed attacks had begun on security forces, killing police and civilians, along with the burning of government offices. There was foreign corroboration of this account. While its headline blamed security forces for killing ‘protesters’, the British Daily Mail (2011) showed pictures of guns, AK47 rifles and hand grenades that security forces had recovered after storming the al-Omari mosque. The paper noted reports that ‘an armed gang’ had opened fire on an ambulance, killing ‘a doctor, a paramedic and a policeman’. Media channels in neighbouring countries did report on the killing of Syrian police, on 17-18 March. On 21 March a Lebanese news report observed that ‘Seven policemen were killed during clashes between the security forces and protesters in Syria’ (YaLibnan 2011), while an Israel National News report said ‘Seven police officers and at least four demonstrators in Syria have been killed … and the Baath party headquarters and courthouse were torched’ (Queenan 2011).
>>77955168
I'm already a alpha male who went gym 1 year ._.
>>77955600
Go to suck Obama's cock or something, Syria will return to its rightful president. No matter how many "democratic" jihadists they will send, the Syrian people will triumph.
>>77955718
there is no need
maybe they will throw one at Raqqa for skits and giggles, but I doubt it
>>77956720
1 year isnt much but its something so keep it up.
Also the video can make you even more alpha and handsome, dont you want that?
>>77956882
1 year is enough for me.
>>77955282
I was replying to a post that was exaggerated, so I exaggerated.
The Damascus Spring was squashed by the military and the tanks rolled.
How was a chimp out not going to happen?
You know /sg/ is really Assad General. There is rarely any logical discussion on the opposition side.
Making sense of the whole thing is difficult because no one is right. It is a whos who of fucked up players:
US fucking shit up since WWII
Russia fucking shit up even worse since WWII
Ba'athists not known for their "fair" rule
Turkey, not the most stable group
Kurds, in a bad place and it always seems a bad time
IS, the violent turd in the punch bowl
Moderate opposition, may or may not be extinct now, but they actually existed when this kicked off
Sunni majority, not known for being moderate
Saudis, stirring the Sunni pot
Iran, stirring the Shia pot
Hezbollah, not know for being moderate
and there are even more....
I can't find the good guy in the mix. Some may do occassional good things, but all will end up doing bad things.
What is the best case scenario that can now happen?
I'm not sure Assad winning is it. I think Balkanization is the best chance.
There are some good discussions, but usually pro Assad, their are shitpost for the rebels and circle jerks for Assad, but even reasonable opposition posts are met with the shill army.
Voting for Assad is a vote for continued oppression. It may work, it may lead to more violence.
A vote for some form of truce, IS removal, and goverment reorg, in my opinion is the best route, but may work or may lead to continued violence.
A vote for IS, is just dumb unless you are a radical muslim
A vote for an opposition win will eventually pit the US and Russia against each other. Russia has more to lose there than the US. The main thing the US wants is to support the Kurds at this point and pretty sure Russia would be OK with that, but a rebel win would want to expel them from Syria, so shit would truly hit the fan.
>>77955712
and let's break up Israel, SA and the UAE while we're at it
these post-colonial states are a fucking mess
scrollin fb and find someone posted this
fucks sake
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/surprised-that-syrian-refugees-have-smartphones-well-sorry-to-break-this-to-you-but-youre-an-idiot-10489719.html
>>77946636
Actually the Syrian Army got BTFO, lost 2 weeks' gains in 1 day. At the moment, its the Americans that are winning (Manbij/Fallujah are guaranteed victories).
>>77955331
>>77950126
Either Allah is on the side of the Caliphate or ISIS has a weather manipulation weapon...
>>77957114
Well you are not wrong mate.
>>77952537
:DDD kamal iyi yaktın bunları :DDDD
>>77953637
>and untimely bursts of good stratagem when going against the fsa.
>FSA gets supplies from Turkey
>Moves them all into border towns & bases
>ISIS captures everything in one fell swoop
>ISIS removes weapons & supplies
>FSA recaptures
>...
>profit
Nothing untimely about it. It is the easiest way for Turkey to resupply ISIS since Russia has started to bomb ISIS convoys near the border.
>>77947930
Assad got baited. He's not a terribly intelligent man DESU. The Americans feignted towards Raqqa, he went charging in fearing they would get there before him, turns out they were actually going for Manbij, full IS defences are turned against him, gets rekt, and meanwhile the lack of troops in Aleppo lets al-Qaeda take back the countryside.
But then again this is the guy who responded to calls to stop being a dictator by carpet bombing cities, so he's not the most logical man to ever live.
>>77957162
hi nsa
>>77948497
The SAA needs to fucking clear up its flanks. They keep charging off into the desert while IS roams the countryside astride their supply lines.
>>77957607
>But then again this is the guy who responded to calls to stop being a dictator by carpet bombing cities, so he's not the most logical man to ever live.
>>77955756
Lol
>>77957835
Assad is a butthurt crybaby like Kim Jong Un. His daddy gave him absolute power, everyone started trying to restrain this absolute power, he didn't want to let go because he like this power, so he started gunning people down. If he'd had any brain cells he'd have known that would only cause an armed insurrection.
>>77948773
>Russians are wary of engagements beyond the former SU, memories of the Afghan war in the 80's are still fresh.
Nobody here remembers or cares about Afghan apart from liberal journalists writing shit about Syrian campaign. It's ancient history already. People remember Chechnya here, and Putin fixed that in 2nd chechen war. Nobody here thinks "omg USSR fell because Afghan", it's only a western meme.
>>77955818
Some say the security forces started it
Some say the protesters started it
Who started the tanks rolling? This changed a police action into a military action. Probably was a better way to handle the situation.
Research the Ba'athist party, they have a pretty good track record on oppression.
Really, none of that matters now, it is water under the bridge for the most part.
I don't think any rational unbiased source can say one side are the good guys.
It makes sense for Russia and Russian supporters to be biased for Assad
Americans are more jaded so some may be biased pro rebel, but most are just used to us going out of our way to fuck with Russia and just see this whole thing as a mess.
Russia is plenty busy fucking with us as well. They should fuck with us this time. Oil prices have been artificially low for sometime. I think the Crimea punishment has gone on long enough. The Saudis have helped with this to screw over Russia as long as we have been running around starting Sunni fires in Libya and Syria. Libya went pretty good, Syria blew up into an IS shitstorm.
The stakes now have gotten substantially higher. A starving Russia is a desperate Russia and nothing to sneeze at. Stop the Oil price bullshit and work out this Syria issue before one of the many players does something that we all will be sorry for.
>>77957114
It probably is the logical thing to do but breaking up countries that aren't already tearing themselves apart is probably not going to happen.
With the world we live in now, if I was Jewish living in Israel, I would start looking for a second home. Eventually the world will get tired of them and set them free to sink or swim.
>>77958205
That's a separate issue. Crimea is punishment for Ukraine trying to get out from under Putin's thumb. All he has to do is stop that and they'd probably lift the sanctions.
>>77957659
what? what brought you to the conclusion i was NSA?
>>77958687
stop what, nigger? both Ukraine and Syria are the result of HATO encroaching on Russian naval bases
Ukraine was in danger of becoming EU territory, so Russia had to act to protect its base in Sevastopol
Syria was in danger of becoming IS territory, so Russia had to act to protect Tartus
next week it will be fucking Sakhalin or something, and again Russia will be painted as an aggressor nation
the "fun" part is I don't fucking like Russia and I feel like shit justifying its policies
>>77957083
>A vote for truce
Won't happen. Assad and his supports want their land back, and al-Nusra affiliates are almost as violent as IS.
Balkanization will only be a temporary solution, with Iran, Russian, and the USA/Saudis slowly increasing influence over the Balkanized parts until another proxy war erupts.
>Vote for opposition win
Opposition has significant radical elements that will be impossible to purge in a post-civil-war environment. If anything, the radicals will squeeze out what's left of the moderates and we'll be back to having an oppressive, this time Islamic, regime.
A few other inaccuracies, but these are the major ones. IMO, Assadist oppression is the least-smelling turd in this sewer as it guarantees extremists won't spill over to other nations.
New to /sg/
Who's winning?
>>77958205
If what you said in (>>77952980)
>Retaliation kills 7 Assadists
is true all I can ask is what type of protestors carry guns? Moderate ones? Islamist were always part of the uprising, both salafists and Ikhwan. If it was mainly secular from the start where did all of seculars go? Did Assad barrelbomb them?
It is true that there were seculars in political opposition from the start, and there still are, but there was also Ikhwan, and these "seculars" accepted them as part of the opposition! And as we know they still are part of the main SNC. I at least couldn't trust a person who says Muslim Brotherhood is friendly.
>>77959258
No one. ISIS isn't getting new ground, SAA has 0 manpower, and FSA can't do anything against the RAF
>>77959258
Based Assad and his band of merry terrorist removers
>>77959167
Through a purely military lens, Crimea might have been necessary for the security of Sevastopol.
Invading eastern Ukraine however was just spite.
>>77959393
Last time I checked he was getting BTFO by IS and AQ.
>>77959258
At the moment, 'Murica.
>>77958011
Help us out and translate for us:
Türkmendağı Ayn İsa bölgesinde karadan saldıran Esed-Şii ittifakı püskürtüldü. Bölge yogun bombardıman altında.
In return you will get one hour with Banu El
>>77957728
They do not have the manpower to do so. It's a lose lose situation.
Their only option is to bring the fight to isis and the rebels, being careful with supply lines but baiting isis into throwing troops at machine guns. So far, so good. It only failed in tabqah because a sandstorm combined with a wall of isis fighters descended upon the city before the SAA had the majority of the troops inside. The original plan was likely to dig in.
They cannot possibly patrol the desert for single terrorists. For a country deep in war like that on multiple fronts, their convoys are safer than American supply lines right after the Paris liberation. The situation has left them with few choices until they take out a front.
>>77959698
Donbass happened and suddenly the return of Crimea was off the table, because Putin had a new chip to bargain with
It all makes a horrible kind of sense, and it's all caused by reckless HATO expansion
>>77959258
the jews
>>77959698
Balkanizing Ukraine limits foreign support and political influence until Ukraine relinquishes its claims on the lost regions.
>>77948112
We love you
>>77960077
They should be focusing on Idlib. That is where the Army of Conquest, the AQ-led jihadist army, is based, the most effective rebel force sans the SDF. They have tens of thousands of rebels behind their lines and they're galavanting off into the eastern desert with exposed flanks and supply lines to take on substantial IS forces as well without adequate air support.
I sound very Monty-in-the-Bulge when I say this but they need to "tidy up the battlefield". The jihadists in Idlib need to be exterminated and both Idlib province and the city of Aleppo cleared before they attempt any offensive action int he eastern desert.
But of course, Assad knows that doing this will likely mean that Eastern Syria is lost to an American puppet and he won't get it back, so he desperately tries to save everything and thus gets nowhere.
>>77959890
Turkmens repelled shiite-assadist ground forces in Turkmen mountain ayn isa region.
Ayn isa is still under massive bombing.
>>77960163
Entry to NATO is voluntary.
Would you blame Poland and the Baltics for joining NATO? They've never had the protection of a superpower before, so they always get fucked over by the Russians. With NATO, they have the US military ready to defend them. Makes perfect sense and I have no problem with it.
>>77960679
But since ISIS is getting pressure from multiple sides, wouldnt it be THE moment to focus on attacking them?
>>77959386
RAF?
>>77957246
Thanks leaf bro, I've been reading up on the happenings.
I'm surprised ISIS is doing relatively well. Makes sense that king nigger would continue to fund them. The piece of shit refuses to acknowledge their existence. Going so far as to hush up their "involvement" in Orlando.
>>77961053
Russian airforce.
>>77961001
Maybe, they could sweep in and capture some areas but ISIS isnt finished. They are slowlyy loosing but they are not death (yet). SAA could join in and put pressure on ISIS. I would advice them not to, I would focus on Latakia and Alleppo province and secure the southern part of Syria.
Also invite the YPG to peace talks so that they become allies and dont shimp out and form Kurdistan. Once YPG has closed the borderd, Than I would consider attacking ISIS
>>77960814
You should blame NATO for accepting the Baltics and Poland instead of using them as pro-Western buffers.They are now a military indefensible point of contention between Russia and the West, and are one of the reasons behind Russia's paranoia in regards to Ukraine and the Maidan.
>>77961053
Russian Air Force
>>77958687
It's about the naval bases. First they put Sevastopol in jeopardy, and then they put Tartus with the Syria fuckery.
Most people do not understand exactly how important these bases are to the Russians. Tartus is their only Mediterranean base and only leverage they have outside of the bosphorus strait, while Sevastopol is the home of their black Sea fleet.
Imagine losing Guam, Diego Garcia, and Yokosuka port as naval bases due to Russian funded revolution. That same year, a Marxist revolution strikes Hawaii and 3 sides fight each other to break off from America, and we are in danger of losing the entire pacific fleet bases because of it.
Suddenly an international coalition against a global terrorist organization that sprouted, and were created by Russia, chases American planes away, arms all rebel sides, and arms massive offensives under the cover of ceasefire.
Tartus is our Hawaii, and sevastspol is our Norfolk. That's how important they are.
It should be world War 3.
>>77961053
>>77961592
RAF is Royal Air Force
RuAF is Russian Air Force
>>77961001
Except the SAA has not demonstrated consistent performance against them. They don't have the ability nor the manpower to hold all those interior lines AND field enough troops to assault the IS defenders of al-Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor. The IS is weaker now, but just like the IS the SSA is stretched thin so they can't take advantage of it.
Unfortunately for the Russian coalition, the only ones who can really take advantage of the IS's weakness right now is the Americans, unless the Russians send ground forces themselves.
>>77961779
oh. Thanks senpai.
/sg/ lets just use some meme magic to bring more russian air force into syria
>>77961344
It's a consequence of both the Syrians and the IS being stretched thin. The IS is vulnerable, but the SAA is so tied down holding other fronts that it cannot field enough forces to contest even the meagre IS defences they face. This of course plays right into your country's hands, because the SDF only fights the IS on a contiguous frontline, and thus can concentrate masses of troops whenever they're needed, and they pretty much always win wherever they're sent.
>>77961592
Why would we refuse them though? They don't deserve to constantly have to be bossed around by the Russians.
>>77962174
Yes, I want to see more russian fireworks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu5ZIiG_X8Y
>>77960814
Russia was going to join NATO as well. Plans were to have it become an international peacekeeping force like a non useless UN.
George Bush Sr. Was in talks with the Russian government all the way till the end of his presidency. The Persian Gulf and the Soviet participation in desert shield gave hope to everyone.
I'll give you a hint who fucked that up. Look up US funding for Chechnya. There are articles painting the Russians as barbaric and the Chechnyans as freedom fighters. Likewise, the Soviet breakup was messy and the international community shafted Russia about breakoff Republic refugees. They wanted to bring them into Russia.
After getting shafted, soldiers who were sloppily fucked over rebelled in places. The economy went to shit because we would not cooperate and help them.
We could have been allies. We could have made a real transition Marshall plan for them and been with them every step of the way post collapse of the Union.
We didn't, we just disarmed and caused cold war 2.0 complete with a fist gently seated in everyone's asses.
Daily reminder that kurds are backstabbing commies and will most likely sit on the agricultural part of Syria and seperate themselves.
>>77961416
I read on some tweet that the Kurds have been invited to next session of Geneva talks
Has anyone seen this confirmed?
>>77962370
Because
1. accepting them increased tensions with the Russians.
2. In case of a military confrontation they will absolutely be a hindrance.
3. They joined the EU before joining NATO, which means that Russia would have had to deal with the EU anyway in any event in which it tried to project power over the Baltics.
Bahrain expels Shia Imam
Hezbollah calls for strong showing of Shia anger and rage
Chance for a reverse Syria where "moderate" Shias rebel against oppressive Sunnis?
http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Hezbollah-warns-Bahrain-of-consequences-over-cleric-move-457276
The ride never ends.....
>>77962877
1. That's Russia's problem.
2. No contest, the US defends them purely for altruism.
3. The EU does not have an army.
>>77962556
>dropping baby bombs
Russia needs to start dropping these bombs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_chcr16C_Q
>>77961833
You're wrong. They have the manpower for deir and raqqa, but as you, and many people seem to be forgetting, is that the war is only half over when they win against isis.
They were poised for the Aleppo siege, but the international community cockblocked them. They need to win on a front carefully to ensure their victory.
If they went after Aleppo and just finished it, they would be fucked in many power as well as being rekt by the coalition funding them. And then they would have to deal with isis.
You don't fight both sides equally in a 2 front war. This isn't an insurgency like Iraq, it's a full scale war. They need to make it a one front war. Obama is speeding up being a cunt and might actually go no fly zone and bomb assad. Assad needs to kill isis to get rid of western fuckery and then he can win the war.
You need to be less reactionary and take things less at face value. Geopolitics and war is not a simple game.
>>77963166
The EU has a defense pact outside of NATO. It's not like article 5, but Europe when banded together have a sizeable and modern military.
Just because they do not fly a EU banner does not mean a euro alliance is not a European army.
>>77961712
it still can be wwiii, with just a little more brinksmanship and bullshit on either side
>>77963314
Where did you get the idea I was ignoring the rebels? That's what I meant when I said "interior lines".
It would mean giving up eastern Syria, but the best thing for Assad would be to focus on eradicating the Army of Conquest in Idlib. Secure western Syria before trying to fight the IS in eastern Syria at the same time.
>>77963166
1. Which eventually spilled over and became the EUs problem with Ukraine and our problem with Syria.
2. Tell that to our Canadian troops stationed there. If war erupts, they will be surrounded with no means of escape.
3.It had significant economic leverage over Russia as its largest trading partner. + The individual nations within the EU have high-tech armies second only to the US.
>>77962809
this
>>77963851
That's why there should be a permanent, probably armoured garrison in Poland to immediately counterattack to keep the Suwalki gap open and to take Kaliningrad.
What would happen if Assad just let Isis and FSA fight if out? and go on the offensive when they are weaken?
>>77964134
The Kurds will get there before him
>>77944346
All different entities fighting in the desert have a hell of a fight on their hands. It's easier to maneuver around and surprise the enemy. That's why, in the proper maps, the desert is always shaded lighter. You risk an ambush going through there, but still, it's easier to sneak around in than on normal land.
All the government ultimately cares about is Daraa-Damascus-Homs-Hama-Aleppo, and then Latakia. Everything else is secondary to them, and doesn't really matter.
>>77964134
Because of his actions in Aleppo, only a small force of FSA actually has a frontline with the Islamic State in northern Aleppo. Other than that, and the NSA (New Syrian Army) in southwest Syria, all the other rebels face the Syrian Army because Assad's troops are between them and the IS.
>>77964077
>Suwalki gap
You would need to keep all of Lithuania open, which would be impossible in case of a Russian-strikes-first scenario.
>>77962812
Kurdish opinion matters as long as it doesn't with the interests of the US, there is no discussion with the kurds.
>>77964785
clash*
>>77962809
>kurds put themselves above others
wew lad, didn't see that coming
>>77963638
The point about securing isis territory is that assad needs some leverage in the international community.
If you remember when they were set to siege Aleppo, it failed because Kerry cease fire as well a international aid that suddenly gave rebels a glut of tow 2 missiles they didn't have before the cease fire.
They're holding the rebels steadfast, and the rebels are unable to mount an offensive at all because they're going to be insta bombed at a time where only international pressure is keeping them alive while they lose massive amounts of men and equipment against isis. The SAA can afford to lose men and equipment while taking raqqa and still have enough of a fighting force to cut the head off the rebels In Aleppo afterward. It is the only option.
By interior lines I thought you meant rear strikes against supply. They're not doing the bad and the rebels simply cannot effectively hit the supply lines.
Not only is raqqa the only option, this is the perfect time to achieve their objective. At worst they win the eastern war and lose deir. At best, they win handily.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCJ8JqtGahQ
>>77965197
I highly doubt Deir Ezzor will ever be overrun. I just don't see it happening. The Syrian desert, as well as Raqqa, Deir Ezzor and Hasakah will probably always be hostile to Assad, but if the Deir Ezzor forces were destined to lose, they already would have by now.
>>77963218
FAB's are enough to be desu, but would be fun if the launch a FOAB.
>>77964642
It is likely the Baltics are not defensible in such a case. We still need a reserve in Poland to immediately counterattack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnpTWKKWQ1o
why would legendary men die horrible death.
>>77963576
Personally there really should be. NATO is losing their fucking mind over all of this. The exercises have just increased tensions drastically, while the Russians surprised us with their own in response. Surprising only to the president desu.
They pulled out of turkey for this reason. Now during the exercises that are making everyone shit themselves on both sides, Obama announces he is considering striking assad. All the sky king threads and war scares are happening for this reason.
The military commanders, the cabinet, and everyone in NATO or even in Russia are nearly in full alert for conventional military forces. The conclusion from US commanders is that barrack Obama, and of course hillary if she wins, are pushing us towards world War 3 with dangerous abandon.
Did anyone even ask why the fuck we are doing exercises in Europe when the cold war ended 26 fucking years ago? This is able archer 83 that makes even less sense. Even in fucking Alaska our readiness is on a level that dwarfs what happened during Cuba. I have never done simulated wartime interception of Russian bombers before.
This is Bullshit.
https://twitter.com/alihashem_tv/status/744926634348711937
u guys ready?
Recent RuAF incendiary cluster munitions on Aleppo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urh0YFGS3mg&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZn_M3Ng-VI&feature=youtu.be
>>77965197
Raqqa is going to be a battle. ISIS needs it.
Why do you think R+6 are going to spend resources on an ultimately Kurdish city?
>>77966297
>he conclusion from US commanders is that barrack Obama, and of course hillary if she wins, are pushing us towards world War 3 with dangerous abandon.
This could arguable be a good thing for us, it would give us an excuse to use our secret airframes for the first time in conflict as the intensity of the conflict may actually be bad enough to justify letting the cat out of the bag so to speak.
>>77966297
Not that I agree with exercises in Europe at this juncture, but Russia did just roll in and annex the Crimea as well as likely supporting the pro Russians in the Ukraine.
Russia is also rattling the saber by announcing they are prepared for war.
I do think cooler heads need to prevail and some reasonable dialog needs to take place.
People hate GW, but him and Putin were buds adn they respected each other. I'm not sure anyone respects Obama and no one will respect Hillary.
It's a sad state of international affairs for the US.
>>77966355
>Persia gonna start creating a Neo-Persian Empire in Islamic Version
SIGN ME RIGHT THE FUCK UP. BRB I'm growing a northern Semitic beard now.
>>77965927
The reserve in Germany and Britain should be fine. Germany however has neglected its military horrifically along with Spain. Germany is the backbone of US strategy in regards to world War 3. After Germany reunited and the Fulda gap became meaningless, Germany actually took over a larger role.
Instead of tripwire forces, Germans and the Americans stationed in Europe would make the first spearhead after absorbing the Soviet attack. Poland and the former Baltic republics would be the tripwires. The majority of armor and mechanized force would be made up of German and French militaries.
Germany has become so weak militarily that it can no longer absorb such an attack. We have come full circle but have managed to create a situation even worse than the Fulda gap. Germany will fall and it is expected that the push in the event of a Russian attack will occur halfway into France with British, French, and American forces making the spearhead with whatever German survivors made It out, but thought to be a negligible number. Rammstein is projected to be lost completely.
Back when Germany was split and the Fulda gap was the tripwire forces, West Germany was projected to hold out a Rammstein would survive with heavy damage at best, but never fall into enemy hands.
What's happening with Ivan? He hasn't tweeted since a few days. Is he on holidays?
>>77966716
To destroy a front and make it a tenable 1 front war.
>>77967006
People are saying that Trump is going to be the end of the world, but what is his view on the Middle East? I haven't heard him talk much about foreign policy
>>77966431
Beautiful, someone need to put them this music!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11yMXdJ1BT8
Latest advance by ISIS
>#Syria #IslamicState retook Khirbat Zaydān & Syratel tower from #Assad-forces on road to #Raqqa
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35.490376&lon=38.265982&z=14&m=b
ISIS currently launching assault on Abu Ilaj
>>77967380
called an airstrike on himself.
>>77967722
No idea, I just want to see an open conflict in which the US fields what we have spent the last 60 years working on behind the scenes. The collective intake of breath from the rest of the world would be hilarious.
>>77968094
So did you shave your ugly goat """beard"""? Post new pic
>>77967006
At the cost of millions of lives and millions more if it is a nuclear war. No cool air frames are going to change the outcome. Air superiority is guaranteed for the US. That was never in any doubt.
The ground war will be terrifying. Unless those space airframes will take out every single piece of artillery, Sam site, spaag, manpad, tank, and infantryman, it's still going to a millions of lives.
Do you remember why Britain didn't find a golden age at the end of world War 2?
No Bullshit super advanced airframe is going to change the outcome. We will win, we will have to rebuild Europe and Russia, we will have lost a generation of men that makes Britain in 1945 look like a drop in the bucket.
The economic toll is even more severe than you realize.
t. F-15 pilot
>>77967456
You happen to catch what the Israeli Intel Chief said?
>Israel does not want the situation in Syria to end with defeat of ISIS
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-intelligence-chief-not-want-isis-defeat-syria/
>>77968194
Follow in insta
>>77967024
It dates back to beyond the Crimea issue.
And like I said before, losing Tartus and Sevastopol is the equivalent of losing all bases in the Pacific including Hawaii and losing Norfolk.
We funded the Ukrainian revolution, and Russia took crimea. Eastern Ukraine was leverage that popped up like transnitria did, but needed Russian support. It gave legitimacy to Russian hold over Crimea because of the retarded Obama and euro ceasefire.
And of course you know the Syrian situation. We nearly destroyed Egypt to bring the Arab spring across borders through terrorist organizations.
Look at the bigger picture. Our exercises in Europe and Obama saying he will bomb assad are just the latest and craziest fuck ups so far.
>>77968272
>https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israeli-intelligence-chief-not-want-isis-defeat-syria/
hehe
>>77968166
>WW3
>hilarious
Pretty sure that isn't the word that would describe it.
leaving this here just to dispel the meme that ISIS isn't a complete fabrication of the usa/israel/syria/saudis
>>77968824
I am looking at the bigger picture.
You said you didn't know why would do it now.
Crimea and Ukraine are a pretty good reason. Rationally they are the wrong reason.
And like a said earlier, Russia should be fucking with us in Syria because we have been fucking with them in the Ukraine, sanctions, and cheap oil.
If you read the my post, I said that it was not the right move.
I also said a Syrian solution would be the best answer.
I'm not sure what the point of your post was.
>>77969262
Depends on where you are, how useful your job is and who you know.
>>77963037
>bahrain
muh opression
>yemen
muh opression
>iraq
muh opression
>syria
oh whats wrong with being ruled by a minority? stop being so sectarian xD
Daily reminder that Assad is a dirty commie who sleeps with the K*rds.
>>77970922
you sleep with kurds filthy German.
>>77971223
shouldn´t that be his wife as instead?
>>77969779
>Crimea and Ukraine are a pretty good reason. Rationally they are the wrong reason.
The US sponsored a revolution to oust a Russian-friendly government.
THEN Russia took Crimea.
US started it. There was no reason to get involved in Ukraine.
>>77969779
tensions should never have gotten so bad.
We fucked up in the 90's and destroyed what would have been a bright future. That's the beginning I am talking about.
As I said before, this is Bullshit. I don't like being woken up for surprise interception drills.
bm0
>>77970922
TURK
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>>77944102
>>77967722
It's his most consistent topic.
Essentially:
Oppose China economically, but be open to talks.
Sanction Iran and support Israel, but be open to talks.
Be open with talks with Russia.
Reduce military presence in Europe.
Bomb ISIS. co-ordinate strikes with Assad. Tolerate Russian presence in the ME.
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>>77979862
I take those are Russian operators in Syria?
>>77979862
what kind of special forces are them?
ISIS was lured into Rusafah Crossroad when they threw everything to stop SAA advances, heavy loses in the ISIS militants.
>>77980113
>>77980004
idk found it on k
