Daily reminder that this guy was Benedict's protege, and Francis' right-hand man.
>In April 2012, the election of a young gay man who was living in a registered same-sex partnership to a pastoral council in Vienna was vetoed by the parish priest. After meeting with the couple, Schönborn reinstated him. He later advised in a homily that priests must apply a pastoral approach that is "neither rigorist nor lax" in counselling Catholics who "don't live according to [God's] master plan".[38]
Go Orthodox
There is no positive though, the bible very clearly condemns homosexual activity
>>77927748
He said gay unions promote monogamy and family values (where adoption is involved) among gays, and these elements should be embraced.
>>77927881
There's technically nothing wrong with being Gay, it's just gay sex acts that are condemned but gays cannot be married, they very, very rarely promote family values, no they shouldn't be embraced it was intended that one man and one woman be together
>>77928170
They can't be married, but Francis thinks their unions shouldn't be discriminated against
>We would like before all else to reaffirm that every person, regardless of sexual orientation, ought to be respected in his or her dignity and treated with consideration, while 'every sign of unjust discrimination' is to be carefully avoided, particularly any form of aggression and violence.
-Amoris laetitia
>>77926826
deus vult
>>77928170
Get fucked. There is no such thing as "being gay" or having a "sexual identity", only normative sexuality, and sexual peversion.
1 Corinthians 5:
>9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
>12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
Expel them
>>77928474
Yes they should
>>77928794
I believe that homosexual desires are just a fetish, i was just saying technically these fetishes aren't forbidden but lust should be avoided and homosexual sex acts too. Sometimes we can't help the fetishes we have, pornography should be banned though because it normalises these disgusting fetishes
>>77928794
The Vatican will have gay research centers soon, staffed by practicing gays to see how to "pastor to gays"
>>77926826
NO NO NO NO!
When will terrorists address their retarded bullshit? Obviously they can't even read the bible.
Who let the extreme left to the Vatican?
Not my pope, not my Synod.
>>77929737
>Not my pope, not my Synod.
Yep, did you read the OP?
I'm gay and part of the Eastern Orthodox Church and I DON'T want my sect to change the rules.
The bible doesn't specifically condemn homosexuality in and of itself but it does condemn the sexual actions of it, it's that simple, if people go against that then they're trying to rewrite Leviticus or directly go against the texts.
I am a lowly follower of god and I am horrified at the idea of traditions being changed to suit me.
No forcing gay marriage on churches.
No forcing bakers to make gay wedding cakes.
No Homosexuals with pope or positions of high power.
Avoid lustful desires.
Can some Roman Catholics please explain to me what the fuck your Pope is doing?
>>77930205
Father Seraphim Rose was a practicing homosexual before he went Orthodox.
Still there are some based bishops. If Germany or Austria were orthodox (where local synod is very independent) they would already have been pro-LGBT. Orthodox are still based becouse of the Iron Curtain. But already in orthodox countries there are differences in sexual morality (like in-vitro for example) becouse they can't gather as uniwersal council.
>>77930205
I'm a catholic but at this point I consider myself non denominational, I cannot have a head who will ignore the bible like this.
It's good for you to recognise this, most people seem to believe homosexuality is a problem but it's not, so long as you avoid the temptations you might have which if you do good job, I think it's better than someone who doesn't have these urges and avoids homosexual acts to be honest.
>>77930594
>If Germany or Austria were orthodox (where local synod is very independent) they would already have been pro-LGBT.
No they wouldn't, bishops come from monasteries, which are extremely conservative.
>it's so bad now that the fucking Vatican has to cling to gay marriage because at least they are monogamous
Except they are not.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/06/26/most_gay_couples_aren_t_monogamous_will_straight_couples_go_monogamish.html
>>77930307
The assertions that he was are a little sparse, but even if it is true he was still a good man by many standards.
>>77930205
>The bible doesn't specifically condemn homosexuality in and of itself but it does condemn the sexual actions of it
Well said. It's nice to see redpilled gays.
>Can some Roman Catholics please explain to me what the fuck your Pope is doing?
The truth is. No one really knows, for every controversial statement there is orthodox statement, so currently there is a big mess. He's obviously trying to loosen up marriage doctrine.
Join judaism
just last year a fagot was stabbed to death in a gay parade
>>77930841
They're in his biography written by his protege, he was also a Nietzschean and an adherent to Asian religion.
That's how he became Orthodox, a lover of his was a former Orthodox Christian and he learned about the Church from him. Once he joined the Church, he became an extremely good man and considered a saint by many. I have the highest respect for him, he defended the Church from heresy in America, and his work, "Nihilism", is the best reactionary writing I've read.
>>77931072
In Israel
Meanwhile, the Anti-Defamation League pushed hard for gay marriage in America
>>77931072
To be quite honest I don't think there's a huge difference between conservative Jews and Christians, we have a lot of similarities between our beliefs considering our roots but Christianity is just way larger so different countries and different people think their own interpretation is the correct one which is why you see so many different churches.
>>77931316
Jews hate Christians
>>77928794
>“Expel the wicked person from among you.”
So like, send them all to Israel or Madagascar or something?
>>77930746
That's why some local orthodox churches accept in-vitro, non procreative sex etc.
>>77931470
I never said they don't, but we do have similarities is what I said
>>77931316
>conservative jews
Heres your problem Wang Mang you fell for the other branches of judaism
>>77930610
>>77930932
I am a little disheartened that there aren't more homosexuals that think about this the same way I do. I acknowledge my sins and my falls, I push myself to step further towards the creator's light and less towards..those people that desecrate their bodies with gay 20+ orgies and call themselves "trans-fluid wolfkin demiqueers". Also, I will never have a "gay marriage" as there is no such thing. You aren't supposed to celebrate and push my shortcomings onto children through media propaganda, you're supposed to help me come to terms with it and avoid indulging on lustful desires. Also, the people that make those "pride parades" are absolutely disgusting degenerates that also push propaganda. I fully support Russia's ban on them.
>>77931316
>To be quite honest I don't think there's a huge difference between conservative Jews and Christians
Modern Judaism came out of the Pharisee movement, so pretty big difference when you think about it. I mean a concept like a Shabbat goy wouldn't really fly in Christianity.
>>77931668
We sometimes accept artificial insemination so long as biological sex can't be procreative, and the husband is the one who provides the semen. Otherwise, no
Contraception was never dogmatically a sin for us, provided it doesn't pose post-conception risks and is in wedlock.
"If for a certain period, you and your wife have abstained by agreement, perhaps for a time of prayer and fasting, come together again for the sake of your marriage. You do not need procreation as an excuse. It is not the chief reason for marriage. Neither is it necessary to allow for the possibility of conceiving, and thus having a large number of children, something you may not want."
-Saint John Chrysostom
>>77926826
it's becoming increasingly obvious that subversive elements have infiltrated every level of the church.
hope isn't lost though. for example my priest told me that nationalism is important for us to survive as a culture (referring to the encroachment of islam)
>>77932310
What do you mean?
>>77927881
>gay unions promote monogamy and family values (where adoption is involved) among gays
I live in Seattle. I am acquainted with numerous married faggots.
They aren't monogamous. They're just doing it for the tax benefits. Every last one of them.
Monogamy is an alien concept to faggots.
>>77930205
Underrated post from a pretty based guy.
>>77932310
Even "Conservative Judaism" is meme tier. Only Orthodox Judaism can lay any claim to continuity over a thousand years.
>>77931316
> I don't think there's a huge difference between conservative Jews and Christians
Are you serious? There are HUGE differences. Hardcore talmudists are almost like muslims + they use magic. They have tons of everyday rules, especially considering sex, food and hygiene and they are allowed to lie, to rape and to kill the gentiles like cattle.
Christians are exactly the opposite. All we have to do is just stop sinning and love Jesus. We may fast, but we must not (except monks who vowed to fast). We may preach, but we don't have to.
>>77932348
Straight Christians are no better, I was out for a walk recently just came home from lunch at my grandmas I was dressed up decently with a jacket and slacks and stuff, I walked by a church I saw men in baseball caps, cargo shorts and sandals and women in booty shorts and flip flops leaving the church. It's embarrassing that I respect my granny enough to dress up for her but these people have no respect for God to dress modestly in the church or even obey the bible, none of the women had on hats when they left.
>>77932375
I'll admit I don't know much about judaism so if anyone has some non bias information it would be good to learn about it.
>>77932398
Your priest is hardly comparable to a cardinal who was the last Pope's protege, and is this Pope's right-hand man, and is considered the "mediator" between liberal and conservative elements.
>>77926826
>>77932735
>I'll admit I don't know much about judaism
Orthodox Jews are Pharisees
>Rabbinic Judaism or Rabbinism (Hebrew: יהדות רבנית Yahadut Rabanit) has been the mainstream form of Judaism since the 6th century CE, after the codification of the Babylonian Talmud. Growing out of Pharisaic Judaism,
All other Jewish variants are memes and liberal nonsense.
I would be willing to work with Jews to push better morality, but the truth is, they don't care about gentile degeneracy, and in fact they don't see anything wrong with pushing it, because they don't believe gentiles have to follow their law.
>>77932348
Do you satisfy your urges in any way? what about masturbation?
>>77927881
>promote monogamy and family values
>>77930205
>please explain
From the Catechism
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained.
Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."
They are contrary to the natural law.
They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
>inb4 homosexual acts are still wrong
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial.
They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.
These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
>in other words, give sinners a chance to be holy
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
>being a sinner does not exclude the call to be holy
>>77933056
I live in an orthodox neighbourhood, what's wrong with them?
>>77933106
Masturbation should be avoided by everyone, male or female, gay or straight.
>>77930205
Im guessing the Orthodox church doesn't into scripture much since you think leviticus is relevant.
>tfw your understanding of the old testament is the theological equivalent of not knowing how to use the space bar on a computer.
The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless
Heb 7:18
By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
- Heb 8:13
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,
Eph 2:15
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Matt 5:17
“Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;
Matt 23:5
But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
Matt 9:13
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
John 1:17
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
John 6:2
>>77933106
>satisfy your urges
>this meme again
Unlike food and drink, the sexual pleasure can be denied without severe bodily harm.
>>77932735
If you really believe and love God, why can't you just stop sucking dicks? I am straight and I don't even masturbate since I became a true believer. So now I am basically asexual.
>>77933247
do you think God would condemn gay masturbation the same as straight masturbation, or more severe? its not exactly clear
>>77933432
I tried nofap and really struggled
>>77933491
>gay masturbation
>>77933460
Exactly, homosexual acts aren't just forbidden for no reason they're dangerous and risky, this is why sodomy is forbidden for even straight couples it's a health risk.
It's good you don't masturbate, too many Christians believe that God would want us to do that because it feels good, it's something that should be reserved for your wife to do to you only.
>>77932402
This
>>77932550
Next thing you gonna say how reformers jews are the real jews, bunch of gay kissing female empowering fucktards.
Thats the reason why we need another holocaust
>>77933491
I don't think it makes a difference, but perhaps what someone imagines while masturbating could make it worse. There's no difference to me between thinking about having sex with someone or actually having sex with them, the bible is clear that lust is a sin so naturally these thoughts are sinful. If someone has homosexual thoughts while doing this I would imagine it might be worse because homosexual acts are forbidden but it's irrelevant because neither one is okay.
>>77933106
I keep myself busy with work, I may do that once every few months but it's sinful nature that should be avoided, which I try to do. I struggle with it sometimes, but I am trying. I tell myself that abstaining from sins is a slow and steady process that I can continue to work on all the time.
>>77933608
Edison failed before achieving a working ligtbulb
>inb4 Tesla poster
Even Peter struggled out of his old Jewish habits in the first years after the Ascension
>There's a reason for the 70 times 7 forgiveness
Don't be too hard when other people fail.
>>77933608
It's very hard, I can say quitting smoking and drinking was easier than quitting masturbating, it's a real struggle. Don't do it for selfish reason though, my faith in Christ and doing this for him has helped me immensely.
>>77933491
>2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action." "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."
>To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.
The truth is every one faps from time to time. It's like swearing or lying. The important thing is to remember that this is a sin, and try to avoid it. Also pornography is worse, it's literally addiction
>>77934014
wow, wish all homos were like you
>>77934014
To make matters worse we live in an extremely sexualised society, it can make it hard for someone to quit when society encourages sex and being sexy so much.
>>77933952
>There's no difference to me between thinking about having sex with someone or actually having sex with them
thinking 1 person 1 sin, having sex 2 persons 2 sin
>>77926826
This kind of garbage is the reason white countries are being flooded with third world scum.
>>77933491
There is no "sin scale". Only God knows how the particular sin has corrupted your soul and the difficulty of repentance will depend on it. One may live sinful promiscuous life but then suddenly regain self-control, frankly repent and stop even thinking about sin. His sins didn't harm him much. The other may just fuck pony-dolls in his basement his whole life and never even think about God.
The only thing that matters is the condition of your soul at the moment of your death.
is it the jews, /pol/?
>>77931072
>gay parade in the Holy Land
You are not the chosen people you Khazar mamzer
So in Berlin we have all sorts of Orthodox Communities.
A few Russian-Orthodox ones, Serbian-Orthodox, Romanian-Orthodox, Greek-orthodox, Bulgarian and Georgian.
Where are the differences? Is there a Powerranking?
Also it seems - I just looked on their websites, that these communities don't really allow conversion. All information is only in their native language etc.
>>77934486
It seems that masturbating thinking about bad stuff would not be as bad as actually doing it, because if you actually do it, you fuck someone else's soul up too.
Masturbation is my weakness. I do it usually at least once a day. I don't get drunk. I don't smoke. I'm not obese. I don't have premarital sex. I go to church often as I can.
I guess the bright side is I have never tried to convince myself what I was doing was good, or something to be proud of.
>>77934486
W E W tell us more, mr theology
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
Matthew 7:21
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:20
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Matthew 5:28
#educateyourselfcuck
>>77934168
Sadly they're deep in activities like pic related.
Committing sins doesn't make you an evil person that is "beyond saving", we all fall short from the glory of god, but they think people abstain from sin because they don't like "fun", I actually feel pretty good because of faith. They need to understand that what they are doing is harming them, I don't think the alcoholic is beyond saving and they aren't either.
I wish they would just try.
>>77934296
They know not what they do.
>>77934486
have one more:
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Revelation 3:16
>>77934910
It's a great shame that guy is a Pole. It seems like he have very serious problem with himself. It's good he was quickly removed from priesthood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvaDp_I2H2w
>>77934953
I personally think Greeks ≈ Russians > others. In fact you may be saved even being baptized as a protestant (except openly heretical denominations ofc). After all, it's not your fault. But if you feel that you must convert to Orthodoxy, do it.
>>77933418
>Im guessing the Orthodox church doesn't into scripture much
The Orthodox Church wrote the Scriptures, you tard.
>>77926826
A good thing, in a way. If the Roman Church finally falls into full-blown heresy we could finally hold a Council and elect a real Christian bishop of Rome.
>>77935676
>Polish priest reveals he's gay in the movie "Article 18"* being made by a group of Polish LGBT activists.
>group of Polish LGBT activists.
who could it be
>>77935939
forgot vid :^)
https://vimeo.com/58930634
>>77935766
Well I'd like to look into it, but the fact that the Churches themselves offer very little information in German does not make it easier.
>>77933418
Why are you so antagonistic towards me?
I have no quarrels with you.
You have a right to believe Leviticus is irrelevant but I respectfully disagree.
>>77935145
And? What contradicts with my statements? You may not understand, what "repentance" means. For example Bill Clinton will never repent, he is lost, the demons who control him will not let him believe that there is a chance for salvation. An average Chad may completely change himself after road crash, sickness or death of his parents. And he will believe stronger than most priests and cry like a baby. How dare you assume that Jesus, the most merciful, will not forgive him?
>>77927881
>church is gonna start promoting fag adoptions
>>77936088
There was supposed to be an Orthodox German Churh, but Luther messed up and here we are.
There was a Council planned for this year where the jurisdiction mess was supposed to be cleared up a bit, but then the agenda was hijacked by homo-heretical agents and the Coucil was cancelled.
>>77935216
I can't remember which verse, but there is a part in the NT where they talk about the sins of the end times or something and say "not only did they sin, but applauded those who sinned!"
>>77926826
>christcucks BTFO
muh deus vult
muh strawman arguments
muh fedora tree worshipping Laarpers
Suck the dildo goyim your religion is pozzed
>>77936088
All you have to do is come to any orthodox church. They will answer all your questions.
>>77936627
Did they say anything about rescheduling the Council over there?
>>77926826
>Church should embrace the 'positive elements' of greed and other selfish sins.
>>77936088
http://rocor.de/de/ here you are
>>77936931
>"not only did they sin, but applauded those who sinned!"
This is wayyy too relevant to current events that it's a little disturbing.
>experiencing joyful and sexual elements without a fucking woman
That IS a positive element.
>>77937281
meant for
>>77936634
but then again "christcucks btfo" guy sounds like he's applauding.
>>77935766
>In fact you may be saved even being baptized as a protestant (except openly heretical denominations ofc
All Protestant denominations are Orthodox
No Protestant baptism is valid unless you convert to Orthodox
>>77934953
Find a parish you like, it's all the same Church
>>77936953
>Did they say anything about rescheduling the Council over there?
As far as I know, no.
>>77926826
The Orthodox church is having a great synod these days.
I'm afraid soon we'll be getting "reformed" like the Catholics.
>>77937281
It will not last long. The corruption of modern world is so deep that it can't be reverted anymore. It's not like one city or country is corrupted. It's just everywhere.
>The Orthodox church is having a great synod these days.
It has been cancelled, the Georgians and Bulgarians will not be attending.
>>77935893
jej. OK dude. tell me another fairytale, mummy
>>77937656
God bless. There's no need to fuck up the doctrine.
>>77937586
That picture is disgusting
>>77937553
Didn't you get the memo? It will no longer be binding because to many Churches said no
>The document affirms love and peace as the church's ideals, criticizes racism, inequality, moral degradation and "liberal globalism" -- it's an agenda as conservative as it is anodyne.
>Yet the Council could have changed the Orthodox churches' ossified attitude toward the rest of Cristendom, which has not changed since the Dark Ages. To Orthodox Christians, all other denominations are heresies, not churches. Some steps toward more ecumenism and more openness would already constitute serious progress for what is now the most conservative of Christian denominations. Patriarch Bartholomew, a friend of Pope Francis's, was determined to push it through.
Thankfully, it looks like his agenda has failed.
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-16/the-orthodox-church-stays-in-the-dark-ages
>>77936526
i didnt say it, bro. jesus did, blame him. reminder that happy-feely recruiting tools like "you can totally just call out to god when youre about to die and you get to heaven" are lies. jesus stated otherwise, i just gave you 4 scriptural references.
>>77937553
http://www.catholicnews.com/services/englishnews/2016/pope-offers-prayers-as-panorthodox-council-opens-on-crete.cfm
Unfortunately it's very probable, I hope it will not affect Agion Oros. I am planning to make a pilgrimage for the first time.
>>77937656
dude, i think you guys are boycotting too
>>77938136
>you can totally just call out to god when youre about to die
No, you can't clear your soul in a moment. It takes time and power.
>>77936263
antagonistic? jesus be more of a faggy victim. this is THE CHAN and you're talking blasphemy and making up your own rules. religion doesnt work according to our preferences. be prepared to be corrected when you do that
>>77938136
You don't understand what 'repentance' means. Hint: it's not about feeling sorry for yourself.
>>77926826
Catholicism and Orthodox are the two biggest cucks of Christianity.
American South Protestant Master Race, reporting in. Denominations and factions are for cucks.
Fancy churches, silly practices, relics, and graven images are for cucks.
>>77938320
Yep
>the Russian Orthodox church, the biggest of all potential participants, has pulled out at the last moment, following the defection of three smaller churches, and the Council has been rendered meaningless or even damaging to future attempts to bring Orthodox Christianity into the 21st century.
>>77938320
>dude, i think you guys are boycotting too
Yes, decided to boycott at the last moment. (Antioch too.)
>>77937281
Where am I applauding those who sin idiot?
I'm mocking the christcucks on here who refuse to see that Christianity is pozzed
Free yourself from these structures and let the power structure collapse
Why tithe 10% of your income if it goes to a Vatican that is pro-gay, pro-rapefugee and anti-white?
You can't win this game by being part of a religion because all of the leaders and structures are against you and your position
>>77938479
You are a faction, it's called the Restorationism
>>77937987
>(((Bloomberg)))
Oy vey, pope Francis has 30 million followers in Twitter.
The Orthodox should become good goyim like him if they want popularity in the social media.
Thank God we escaped this one for now.
>>77938433
>>77938349
and neither of you can even provide a scripture to refute my references because youre frauds. you dont know shit about the faith because youre joiners, to you its just a fad which youll forget in 6 months because youre unwilling to submit to scripture.
>>77938403
What do you mean making up my own rules?
YOU'RE the one who is denying The Book of Leviticus, I didn't write the rules it contains.
You've given me a lot of quotes from the New Testament, are you suggesting the Old Testament is not as relevant?
>>77938541
Based Antioch, they're doing more than anyone else to evangelize too. More than half of their numbers in America are converts.
>>77938602
>Why tithe 10% of your income if it goes to a Vatican that is pro-gay, pro-rapefugee and anti-white?
You may be officially atheist while staying in faith and going to Orthodox Church. And giving 10% of your income to whose who is need. God will not condemn it if it is not about greediness.
>>77938479
>american south protestant
Denominations and factions are for cucks
>>77938944
Don't worry about us that much, worry about yourself and your nearest relatives. You can pray for us if you think we are doing something wrong.
>>77938541
thank you russia, for saving our church from cuckoldry. you are our hero
>>77938986
if your faith is judaism then sure, leviticus is "more" relevant. if you claim to be a christian, i would probably pay some attention to oh, you know, the entire basis of the faith. i dont have time to walk you through it but im guessing you dont know the reason behind jesus coming to earth and in fact the purpose of the abrahamic laws. threads like this are interesting because usually i kind of defer to peoples knowledge in threads with say economic or other matters because i dont feel confident in the subject. but seeing how much people just kind of arrogantly peddle their own strange theological theories with such gusto around here is a little embarrassing and makes me really reassess what kind of company im keeping.
>>77939003
Why would I help prop up an organization with my membership when I could believe or not believe in god all on my own?
religion is just a power structure
admit it you probably hate most of the people who go to your church as well
I go to a major christian university in America and it is filled with some of the most obnoxious SJWs Ive seen
>>77939309
Only God knows for how long. According to many orthodox prophecies, ALL faiths will unite into one satanic church. The true Christians will be persecuted just like in Nero times.
>>77939255
you have a point. i overreacted because im annoyed about other things, i hope you as my brother in christ will forgive me.
>>77932934
this quote is Benedict XVI in a nutshell
For our own sake Pope Francis is an idiot and about a subtle as a trainwreck
>>77939604
>The true Christians
These will be the Orthodox. Heretics within the Church obviously cease to be Orthodox and if you push their heresies too hard, they are de facto cut off from the Church
>>77939794
The cardinal in the OP is a very, very close friend of Benedict.
HAHAHA CHRIST KEKS NOT EVEN THE POPE BELIEVES IN GOD NOWADAYS
>>77938944
kek, this kangaroo is mad cuz his life plan is fucked, you can't live a life of sin on purpose and then repent at the last moment, besides what if you get hit by a car or some shit? You may have an instantaneous death and you won't have any time to repent mate!
>>77939923
the unfortunate thing is that the faith is supposed to be the bulwark against the tide of the flesh, but instead of trying to please god they try to please man. benedict will pay for what hes doing
>>77939591
Imagine somebody tells you that he loves you but does nothing for you. He doesn't want to spent a minute to talk with you unless he desperately needs your help. That's how most "believers" look like. That's why going to Church is rather a good idea. Unfortunately there is only one church in my town and it's Lutheran, so I can't take a part in their Eucharist.
> you probably hate
I don't hate anybody, I can only disdain the most wicked ones.
> I go to a major christian university in America and it is filled with some of the most obnoxious SJWs Ive seen
My condolences, better drop it and become a missionary in Africa or Middle East.
>>77940124
been reading long? i dont even know how you tangled yourself up in this one
Don't forget the Pope sits in front of this monstrosity. Be worried about the Church.
>>77926826
I'll go Orthodox
>>77939591
i dont quite know where to stand on this one. paul states that we must take place in the brotherhood of christ by congregating, but what do when the organisation is corrupted?
still, the great commission is as plain now as it was back then. If you do not deny christ to others he will not deny you to his father.
>>77940829
well done pierre
>>77940422
we should have a catholic church conspiracy thread. this is juicy as fuck
>>77926826
He is an idiot. He is one of those cardinals/bishops that think if they bow to the Zeitgeist it will benefit the church.
It just makes them lose their credibility. When crisis strikes people would naturally return to churches. But they definitely won't return to the weak church he is embracing.
>>77940422
>Don't forget the Pope sits in front of this monstrosity.
I think it symbolizes hellfire.
>>77941163
Propaganda Due is the juiciest.
>>77940829
Matthew 20 -
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Christians who think "sinning is OK as long as you dont mean it" are fooling themselves. also this:
For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
Matthew 6
>>77941234
>I think it symbolizes hellfire.
According to the artist who made it, it shows Christ emerging from the crater of a nuclear bomb. Why would he do that?
>>77941163
>catholic church conspiracy thread
this i the best type of conspiracy stuff
>>77941606
thats not at all creepy
>>77941606
>>77941823
I show you what's creepy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32QmyfMhxOg
>>77941606
>>77941823
And these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KT9hmAfhqA starting at 3:30
>>77926826
Matthew 7:15-20New King James Version (NKJV)
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
Daniel 7:25King James Version (KJV)
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
>>77941598
John 10:28-30 KJV
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
Romans 8:38-39 KJV
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1 John 1:7-9King James Version (KJV)
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Wew.
>>77926826
>September 2015
FUCK OFF, JIDF
>>77927881
Sacrifices to Baal promote church attendance so let's prep the victim!
>>77941598
Also the many are called statement means they have received the gospel/good news and they have a choice either to accept the sacrifice of Jesus Christ or refuse it. Its clear as day most refuse it.
>>77942612
That is idolatry and probably demonic but probably not specifically satanic in their own minds. Its their pagan roots sadly.
>>77943967
I think it explains why Switzerland wasn't even touched in WW2. Hitler could have easily conquer it in few weeks and seize all gold. But somehow Satan has protected his people.
>>77945617
Satan destroys people. He has no interest in protecting them. Read Job if you ever want to see what Satan does to people.
>>77945751
No, that's not that easy. Look, all non-christian souls belong to Satan anyway. The God is very forbearing and gives them plenty of time to convert. At the same time Satan is interested that his worshipers stay rich, healthy and famous, so that even Christians will look at them and think "If God is real how can he allow these demon-worshipers live so good and long and why are our brothers suffering?" And it's a very dangerous thought as it leads to atheism.
>Job
I read it already, this test was still God's will.
