Hey /pol/ you guys seem confused about guns, so we thought to help you out!
>The Boston Globe described it as “mass shooters’ weapon of choice." The New York Daily News called it “a mass murderer’s best friend.”
>The AR-15 has come to stand in for an entire category of military-style assault rifles developed for combat that many believe have no place in civilian life.
>a civilian version of the M16, a weapon designed for military combat in Vietnam.
>Since 2009, gun manufacturers have preferred to call these guns “modern sporting rifles,” a name that conjures up hunters in the woods rather than soldiers shooting at the enemy. But even enthusiasts agree that the AR-15 doesn’t shine while hunting. It’s better at killing people than it is animals.
>So there’s another name for AR-15s and guns like them: assault weapons. While exact definitions of the term vary, it typically means a military-style weapon adapted for civilian use, with modifications that can make it more lethal.
>So the AR-15 is caught in a cycle. The more it’s used in high-profile mass shooting cases, the more people want to ban it. The more people want to ban it, the more AR-15s are sold. And the more AR-15s are sold, the harder it becomes to create a ban that would be able to stop the next tragedy.
>>77916332
Cool story bro, tell it again.
reminder that every mass shooter in modern history has used guns
>>77916332
>the more people want to ban it.
>people
lol
>>77916332
Banning just AR-15s makes no sense, if you really dislike guns and the ability to defend yourself, just push for a total gun ban.
A handgun with an above average magazine can kill just as many people as an AR-15 (not to mention most "mass shooters" use handguns, not rifles).
>>77916332
Nobody used it in a mass shooting for its first 30 years of existence. I say its a mental health and society in decline problem.
>>77916569
Reminder than FN needs to bring down the price of the SCAR, seriously what the fuck guy I thought we were friends.
>>77916810
>SCAR
This guy gets it
>>77916810
SCAR? LIKE THE SCARS YOU WANT TO LEAVE ON THE BODIES OF DEAD CHILDREN?
>>77917838
ALL OF THEM
>>77917838
>implying they'll heal and get SCARS
nothing personnel kid
>shotguns kill more people annually
>handguns kill the most, by and fucking far
>complain about automatic rifles
>>77916569
one german dude used a flamethrower
>>77918212
Flammenwerfer
>>77918320
yes that is the german word for it
>>77918107
>automatic rifles
>>77918397
prove it
>>77918439
Fine, manual rifles. I don't care how you drive them.
>>77916332
>it's better at killing people than it is animals
What the fuck? They're this retarded?
>>77918397
>Eldkastare
Jesus. Even cuck that word. Nice going.
>ARs are useless for hunting.
What
And calling the AR the murderers weapon of choice is a fucking lie, straight up.
Orlando shooter used a SIG MCX not an AR.
Sandy hook guy left AR in the car.
>TFW libruls talk about "military style assault" rifles without getting into any specific technical details because if they did they'd realize that their argument is a complete piece of shit.
>>77916332
>Vox.com
Why are Millennials such shit? They've had the entirety of human knowledge at their fingertips their entire lives, why are they so profoundly stupid?
>>77916810
This desu. I want to act tacticool on my teachers salary otherwise I'm going the the jew Tavor.
>>77918674
Information overload.
>>77918622
An MCX is still an AR platform though. That's something that the msm isn't going to be able to distinguish
>>77918674
Brave New World tier information stimulus.
>>77918802
I thought the MCX was its own animal? Similar to the AR though. Are the parts interchangeable?
>>77916332
In that case we need to buy more "assault" rifles of all kinds.
>>77916332
Fuckoff
>>77918674
They're interested in the wrong information. They follow celebrity updates and Facebook posts
>>77918548
our word for machinegun directly translates to "bullet squirter"
>>77916332
Why do you support an assault rifle ban when the vast vast majority of gun deaths are with handguns. Could it be that more white people are killed by rifles and more minorities are killed by handguns. Why are you such a problematic racist?
>>77916332
>the AR-15 doesn’t shine while hunting. It’s better at killing people than it is animals.
Stopped reading there.
What kind of retarded fucking logic is this.
The phrase 'assault weapon' is still by far the stupidest thing to come up in these rants about how we need to ban guns.
>>77916332
>assault rifles
Its not an assault rifle
>>77918802
Yeah it's like people who argue about like cummins vs duramax. They're different but in the end they are both Diesel engines just like mcx and ar15 are both 5.56mm. Seems like petty argument or even a concession to gun grabbers to gift them the ability to ban a gun by model
>>77916332
Amerikë, what's wrong? Don't you even full auto?
>>77919276
>I don't know the difference between assault weapons and assault rifles.
>>77919368
With paperwork yes
>>77918107
>other guns
Like what?
>>77919363
I don't disagree with you on that. It's still technically incorrect. If antigun morons want to blatantly make shit up to further their agenda, I fully intend to nitpick them to death whenever possible.
>>77919121
What do you call normal guns?
>>77919449
>Assault weapons
Not a real thing at all. It's a media buzzword used to incite an emotional response
>>77919900
Oh shit nigger I am mad jealous... I wish I had a La Croix grapefruit sparkling water right now.
>>77919900
Sub-machineguns, homemade shit like zipguns and pipe shotguns?
>>77920108
Nope, wrong. Assault weapons are a very specifically defined class of weapons.
They are:
Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
>Folding or telescoping stock
>Pistol grip
>Bayonet mount
>Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
>Grenade launcher mount
Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
>Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
>Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
>Barrel shroud safety feature that prevents burns to the operator
>Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
>A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.
Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
>Folding or telescoping stock
>Pistol grip
>Detachable magazine.
>>77920082
skjutvapen, "shooting-weapons" (or less directly translated: firearms)
if you actually care about the 2nd amendment the best way to battle these cancerous anti-gun communists is to join the NRA
The NRA is the only group with political power that fights for our 2nd amendment RIGHT to keep and bear arms.
Even if you dont want to or cant join at least check out the website / videos and educate yourself on the issues. (that goes for you gun grabbers as well. at least know wtf you are talking about).
https://home.nra.org/
>>77919449
And how is an AR-15 and assault rifle?
>>77920543
The civilian versions of AR-15s are still assault weapons, even if they are not assault rifles.
>>77920478
>Gun Grabbers wanting to educate themselves
They want confiscation. They don't need education for that fundamental principle.
>>77920344
Which is all bullshit because none of those things make a rifle inherently more dangerous.
>muh grips, muh stock
So if a rifle is ergonomic and feels better to the operator it's a dangerous assault weapon? Fuck off with this garbage
>>77920344
>very specifically defined
Maybe in Cucknadia, but not in the USA. Why would you just go on the internet and tell lies?
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/17/us/even-defining-assault-weapons-is-complicated.html
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/31/politics/gun-language/index.html
From wikipedia
>The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions
Please kill yourself
AR-15 is a plebs tier weapon tbqh.
Kalashnikov is superior in every way. Lighter, less recoil, easier to handle.
>>77920737
The definition I posted is literally the US federal definition for assault weapons.
>>77920777
>Lighter
FUCKING KEK
>Less Recoil
HOLY FUCKING KEK
>Easier to handle
MY SIDES ARE GONE.
You should have went with the more reliable meme that isn't even true anymore.
>>77920639
thats a huge part of not seeing eye to eye on this stuff. they dont understand the other side of the story.
the ar-15 is just a weapon of war that is used to kill babies by the dozen and has no other application to them
>ar stands for assault rifle
>its high powered
>its scary looking so its dangerous
we'd do best to stop arguing about it and start educating them.
>>77920635
And I was pointing out they are not assault rifles
Also assault weapon is a made up term by the government that is mostly about cosmetic features
>>77920777
Dumb. Ar-15 weight varies widely, but for comparisons sake the M16A1 has a weight of 2.87 lbs unloaded, compared to the 3.1 lbs of the AKM, unloaded.
The .30 cal round of the AKM has much more recoil and is considerably more difficult to fire in full auto
tl:dr
You're a dumbass
>>77920777
>Trying to force the AR vs AK debate
You should be owning both in the current year.
>>77916332
>Mass shootings in public places
>not using suppressors at night during rain storms
Stay pleb, wannabee operators
>>77920777
>Kalashnikov is superior in every way. Lighter, less recoil, easier to handle.
>Having a semi-auto AK...
Talk about a cucked gun. If an AK is not full auto fun, it is not a real AK and is fucking stupid as there are thousands of better more accurate semi-autos.
>>77920851
Thats the definition from the expired AWB you dummy. The term currently has no official legal definition, hence the posted articles
>>77921002
well, cmon...
we all know how the barrel shroud and the folding stock make the gun murder people
>>77921040
Very nice
>>77921040
I went with the AR platform so I could have a few of them and a lot of Ammo and Mags
If I was rich as fuck I would have an AK and some other stuff, but I tend to prioritize since i am not a fountain of money.
>>77921040
which AK though? AKM? 47? 74? one of the folding stock variants?
>>77921060
5.45 is a wonderful round though. Some people still like 7.62x39, though, too.
>>77921200
AKM if you want to feel like a kabob or African rebel/militia. 74 if you want to feel like a slav operator.
No one needs an ar or ak though. Just get an m1 carbine
>>77921379
If we just want to feel like something...
>>77918545
I'm not entirely sure what they were trying to mean by that. It's just a gun it's useful for killing all sorts of shit.
>>77920344
The weapon in this pic does not have:
>Folding or telescoping stock
>Pistol grip
>Bayonet mount
>Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
>Grenade launcher mount
Therefore it is not an assault weapon. It's also pink and kawaii.
>>77921759
In my humble opinion that would have been a better weapon to use in Orlando.
>>77921532
If the AR15 gets banned, I would probably switch the FAL
>>77921379
didn't some soviet ammo get banned because someone made a pistol chambered in it or something?
>>77921968
Don't forget the matching shorts, my friend.
>>77922001
Importation of surplus 5.45 (7N6) ammo was banned because it contains a hardened steel tip and can be fired from a "pistol". According to the ATF, this classifies it as armor piercing, making it illegal to import
>mass shooter's weapon of choice
Okay, let's see if that's true.
>Orlando - 50 dead
Weapon: MCX and Glock 17
>Virginia Tech - 33 dead
Weapon: Glock 19 and P22
>Sandy Hook - 28 dead
Weapon: Version of AR-15
>Luby's Shooting - 24 dead
Weapon: Glock 17 and P98
>San Ysidro McDonald's Shooting
Weapon: Browning HP, UZI and Winchester 1200
Out of the top 5 deadliest US shootings since 1984, only 1 used an AR-15
Out of the top 10, only 3 used an AR-15
>>77922212
>Sandy Hook
>AR-15
Didn't he leave it in the car or is that just some stupid shit I heard on /pol/?
>>77922001
Chinese ammunition (as well as all other M43 ammunition) is currently banned from importation in the U.S. because U.S. federal law classifies the round as an armor-piercing handgun round.
from wikipedia
>>77918802
>>77919363
The MCX is a entirely diffetne platform and lacks the literal main component that the Ar-15 relies on
there are no major compatible parts between the two
you got trolled
>>77922304
Might be /pol/ bullshit that I've unfortunately regurgitated, sorry. There's been so much shit hearsay floating around during and after Sandy Hook it's unreal.
Wikipedia says it was a Bushmaster XM15-E2S. So yeah, AR15.
>>77922404
Yup. Ar-15 rifles use the Stoner direct impingement gas system, whereas the MCX is piston operated. Cosmetically they may look the same, but the difference in operation is huge
>>77922603
I haven't an expert on ARs but it looks like there are some significant differences between the MCX and the AR
>>77916332
Gun manufacturers have never handed automatic guns to criminals like the government
I can't believe so many people have almost completely forgotten about fast and furious
>>77922811
The bolt and firing pin look to be the only parts that are similar on the upper.
>>77922811
There are. While the lower receiver, charging handle, bolt, etc. may look the same, the differences, the gun operates in a completely different manner. For one, note how the MCX does not have a buffer tube/receiver extension, a primary component of the AR 15. The SIG instead makes use of a gas operating rod, utilizing the springs and rod near the bottom of the picture.
>>77923113
This is the biggest joke of the whole gun debate. The federal government, on one hand, quietly hands guns by the truckload to insurgents, radicals and drug runners, while simultaneously demanding the disarmament of their own population, of which the overwhelming majority are peaceful and law-abiding.
I mean, how many AR-15s even exist in the USA? Someone pegged a low estimate at 15 million? That seems low, honestly, what about all the home made lowers and 80% kits done, does that even factor into it?
>>77923737
Ghost Guns. Are you trying to trigger me?
>>77924196
2spooky
What if someone put a skeleton stock on a ghost gun?
>>77916569
Umm ya, how else do you shoot, unless its a guy with a crossbow or something
>>77920344
The costmetic features of firearms chosen to include in the 1994 AWB pretty much came about because a bunch of lawmakers looked in a gun catalog and picked weapons they thought looked scary or they saw used as machine guns in Hollywood movies. Apparently the barrel shroud on a TEC-9 needs to be banned because it has holes in it that look menacing, etc. The term "assault weapon" was deliberately chosen to confuse the public with "assault rifle" that refers to an actual definition for a class of firearms.
>>77924272
Maximum Spooky.
>>77924196
>>77924272
>MFW moving out of NYC and planning on legally building a ghost gun from an 80% lower.
Freedom feels good man.
>>77924356
That's actually exactly what they did, I swear on me mum.
>the Canadian government actually prohibited the H&K G11 by name
Damn gangbangers with their caseless assault rifles
>>77916332
And it is no coincidence that these mass shooters identify with progressive, liberal ideologies.
>>77922212
If you suck the cock, you will get blown by the glock.
>>77916810
SCAR stands for
SCARY
CHILD
ASSASSINATING
RIFLE
>>77916565
Pictures of dead game are just going to turn more libfaggots against these rifles
>>77916332
>It’s better at killing people than it is animals.
How does that work?
Are animals magical in that they are harder to kill?
>modifications that make it more lethal
What? There are none. Black plastic and a shoulder thing that goes up doesn't make a gun more lethal.
>>77924890
Well they're constantly using the "muh hunting" as an argument. Not that hunting ever appears in the 2nd Amendment, but...
>>77916332
>But even enthusiasts agree that the AR-15 doesn’t shine while hunting. It’s better at killing people than it is animals.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHHAH HAHAHAHAHH WHAT A LOAD OF BULLSHIT. SURELY THIS WILL CONVINCE GUN OWNERS TO HAND THEM IN!
>>77925109
>Well. uh, yeah, you can use an AR-15 to hunt with, Jim. But personally, I would probably use something like a shotgun or maybe a bolt action rifle.
>YOU HEAR THAT GUN OWNERS?! TURN IN YOUR AR15!!!!!1111
>>77925712
Why wouldn't you want an AR for hunting anyway. They're so accurate it's unreal. You'd think an accurate gun would mean a more humane kill on your harvest.
>>77916332
He didn't use an AR15.
>>77925109
I honestly failed to realize what the problem is. Are they implying I don't own one exactly for the sole purpose of killing fellow man? In self defense of course.
Would they rather I am armed with my limp dick?
Anon. It's black and has the shoulder thing that goes up. It is clearly too powerful for animals
>>77925934
Yes actually. They expect you to just call the police and let the authorities deal with it. What's the average police response time? Like, 15 minutes?
>>77925934
You know how liberals work anon. They hate guns because its scary and can kill people. There's no reason; it's just emotion.
>>77924272
>the skull shaped features molded into this magazine well allow the operator to conjure evil spirits that expel 40mm grenades from their nasal cavities
>>77926075
Probably less considering my proximity to the police station. In any case, my body will be a tad bit warmer. The only difference.
>>77916332
Tula plum AK-74 mags for sale!
$50/piece, you'll be thankful you bought them when Killary's supreme court appointments and gun bans come through!
Limited quantities available, buy yours now!
>>77926349
Yeah but at least you didn't harm an innocent criminal. You know, he had a hard life. It wasn't his fault. Defending yourself with a gun would have just escalated things anyway...
>>77926494
>>77916332
Better go buy myself a new AR-15.
>>77918212
>>77918320
He obviously used an AR-15 with a dragon head flash hider that created the same effect.
>>77926517
Time to turn in my firearms.
>>77926599
>>77926494
>tfw /pol/ doesn't REEally own firearms at all
fucking faggots
>>77926874
(You)
>>77916332
The AR-15 is the rifle of choice for Police Departments and SWAT teams all across the US and the world. We the people also with to have the same levels of protection able to be called upon at any time with no delay at all. However some people trust the system a little too much and prefer that nobody owns firearms and only rely on the police. These people also believe that removing firearms will solve crime. However they ignore the notion that criminals will never turn in their firearms or just find other weapons.
These tragedies are caused by the very fucking people who cause the bans and I have seen it with my own two fucking eyes in my state. So please leave us the fuck alone as you only make the problem worse.
>>77926623
wow thats something I'd want.
does the dragon head fuck with the bullet? looks like its sketchy
>>77926874
A lot of us are from /k/ or at least visit /k/
Not having more firearms is really more the issue.
The AR-15 is just one of a huge number of functionally similar semi-auto rifles. All of which are used in fewer murders per year than knives.
>>77916332
>It’s better at killing people than it is animals.
This is absolute bullshit. The AR-15 does not do anything that literally any other semi-automatic rifle does not. It fires a lump of metal through a rifled barrel at high velocity and then uses the spent gases to chamber another round.
They are literally arguing that, because the AR-15 looks like a military weapon, it is better at killing people than other rifles that work fire the exact same calibre rounds at similar velocities using the exact same mechanics.
>>77918107
Hand guns kill thousands of poor people in crowded, Democratic-party-run cities every year.
Rifles kill dozens of middle class people every decade.
Why wouldn't middle class journalists want to ban rifles instead of hand guns? They have a 0.00003% chance of getting shot by a rifle, which is ten thousand times greater than their chance of getting shot by a hand gun.
>>77927037
Shouldn't be any adverse effects if physical clearance was maintained, and it would be pretty silly to market something like that if it did so.
>>77925865
Gloridied overpressured .22 wouldn't be apt for hunting large game
>>77928044
There are ARs in like, every caliber, though
