Damn right!
>>77709089
>Insulting the founding fathers on one of the first constitutions.
Democraps....
>>77709089
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle
Suicide is an option.
>>77709089
I'll take your guns my friendly neighbor
>>77709089
>Sure we'd love to suppress opposing views, but we must respect a poorly written constitutional amendment that refers to barely functioning printing presses.
>>77709089
except thats wrong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun
Show me where it says muskets in the constitution.
>>77709089
BAN POORLY FUNCTIONING ASSAULT MUSKETS NOW!
>>77709089
>Barely functioning
.75 caliber ball that an experienced shooter could fire and reload 4 times a minute.
.75 caliber. 1 and half times bigger than a .45.
Think of the stopping power...
>>77709089
>refers to barely functioning muskets
>"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear barely functioning muskets, shall not be infringed."
By god he's right!
>>77709089
Hi, yuropean here (french)
DON'T GIVE UP YOUR GUNS. The thing with the 2nd amendment, it's that it's the amendment which protects all the other ones. When you give up your guns, like in Yurope, you're basically at the mercy of your government.
That could be swell, if your government represents your people's interests. But it can become a death sentence, like it's the case today.
DON'T GIVE UP YOUR GUNS. Yes, there'll be mass shootings and the like. But it's a small price to pay for the most fundamental right. FREEDOM.
Sure, we'd love to have slaves, but we must respect a poorly written constitutional amendment that refers to subhuman chimps.
>>77709461
Show me where it says guns in the constitution.
>>77709089
Shills are out hard today. Lol leftifags think a poorly made, no reasearch meme without the blessing of kek will be taken aeriously. Go fuck yourself in a gay nightclub in a muslim neighborhood.
Might as well just toss all of it out then I suppose
>>77709089
If you want a gun free society, Britain is across the pond.
>>77709587
Well it was written on parchment made from animal skin. The document itself is a tribute to animal cruelty. Scrap it now. It has no place in modern society.
>>77709284
But still we should definitely disarm the public. We don't want any more mass shootings, right? Do you hate the gays or something? Think of the children.
>>77709089
Explain to me how it is poorly written
>>77709800
Kek
>>77709485
The highest cal muzzle loaders I've seen and fired are 60, which is a ridiculous size and amount of lead. Most are 38 to 50. You choose the amount of powder with every shot.
>>77709089
SHALL
>>77709089
Didnt the Americans win partially because of rifled barrels?
Didn't that advantage allow them to conduct hit an run attacks on the slower, less nimble British force?
Seems to me it's pretty clear anyone that knows even a tiny bit about military history could see through this...
Sure, we'd love to stop inner city violence
But we must respect a poorly written constitutional amendment that refers to barely functioning agricultural equipment.
>>77710151
Brown Bess bore was .75, but actually shot a .69 caliber ball.
That's still a massive hunk of lead.
>>77709089
>1 post by this ID.
At this point I wonder if they even try.
>>77709089
Oh wow. Its almost like they had automatic rifles even before we became a country MY OH FUCKING MY.
Please insert a quarter and Try Again OP
I don't get it either. Humans are imperfect. Having extremely deadly mass murder devices freely for sale is a disaster waiting to happen.
Get fucked OP.
>>77709576
>Arms
Are you this fucking stupid?
>muskets
So liberals' historical knowledge is as limited as their English skills. The only people using muskets are those weirdo LARPers in videos that are shown in History class for when the teacher is busy grading shit to teach.
>>77710400
But having them only in the hands of the government i ok because if its one thing we learned from history it is that governments are always moral, righteuos and fair.
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>>77710422
GO KILL YOURSELF OP. You unpatriotic bitch. Might as well be a european.
>>77704664#
Thread with quotes alone btfo of this stupid meme.
WE COULD OWN WARSHIPS THAY COULD LEVEL COSTAL LINES IF NEEDED, FUCK OFF
>>77710220
We like to play up the story of the "rangers" guys with kentucky long rifles whose long range helped fuel a guerilla war against the british. And while it's true such units existed, and managed to pick off some british officers at long range, they're effect is over exaggerated.
The Brit's didn't give up because our guerilla warfare was too costly, 90% of the engagements in the war where standard napoleonic battles. The Brits gave up because it was no longer financially reasonable to try to hold onto the colonies, and wouldn't be again even if they retook them. It was more of an economic decision than a military one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxKh1zsNn24
This is what you should consider and this is why you should shut the fuck up you crying fucking SJW Cunt.
>>77710400
>Having extremely deadly devices freely for sale because human's are imperfect, and at the ready preventing or stopping a disaster sounds perfectly reasonable and prudent.
>>77709089
no, it doesn't refer to just muskets faggot
>>77710464
This shows it WAS well written, because arms can refer to many types of weapons.
>>77710464
Arms =/= guns
>>77709089
>Sure, we'd love to defend freedom of speech
>But we must respect a poorly written constitutional amendment that refers to a time when regular people couldn't write or read, and internet didn't exist
>>77710151
What muzzle loaders have you fired? Typical infantry muskets during the Revolution were .69 to .71. During the Civil war they got a bit smaller, .54 to .69. Anything under .50 would be very underpowered for that era.
>>77709837(You)
kek trying so hard to bait
>>77710566
Try to halt violence by restricting gun ownership and you won't halt violence. But you will create entire classes of new criminals – people who make paperwork errors, violate technical specification of the law, or rebel against the new restrictions. And you'll create new bureaus, new enforcement arms, new prisons to punish them. You'll make hordes of lawyers and bureaucrats very happy. Organized criminals will be grateful to the naive moral crusaders ("useful idiots") as they profit by selling an illegal product. And ordinary street criminals will bless fools, legislators, and "leaders" for making their job so much safer. – JPFO's "Bill of Rights Sentinel", Fall 2001.
>>77710705
yeah, they include more than just guns, mortars, cannons, bombs..... that is what 'arms' is referred to in the military.
>>77710713
Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. - Thomas Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764
Criminals obey "gun control" laws in the same manner politicians follow their oaths of office. – Anonymous
>>77709089
>The Constitution is poorly written
You're right, let's abolish the Bill of Rights, surely it doesn't apply to today's society.
>>77709089
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>>77709089
I wish I had something in the Constitution that allowed me to defend myself. I want to be American.
>>77709089
a poor use of words is ar-15 and assault rifles.
sage
>>77709576
Ill let The words of George Washington elaborate for you...Irrefutable proof that they wanted guns, munitions and ammo with every American to protect their homes and the country from threats. including domestic threats.
>>77710722
Black powder isn't really my forte so don't ask me models/calibers, but at the local range on Range Days (open to everyone, and all the members bring all their shit for people to use), I've shot at least 20 different types of BP firearms.
If you're ever shit BP, you'll know that the recoil is more like a heavy push instead of the kick that smokeless powder gives. That said, BP pistols of large caliber will rival the recoil of most modern pistols...
>tfw its socially acceptable be against the constitution now
JUST
>>77709089
I would imagine that the founding fathers said something like "these guns that have been evolving up until now but we're are just referring to only these sorts of arm; which ought to be obvious, right? We fought for people to be quite capable of being subjugated and for them to be entirely incapable of fighting for themselves!"
Why should a man wish for independence when a state could rule him rationally might actually be direct quote from Lincoln!
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>>77710330
Though the caliber was very high, remember these weapons were still using black powder and as a result had a much lower muzzle velocity. A modern 7.62mm hits with much more energy than the big musket balls of that era
>>77710705
What are considered arms then?
>>77709770
We should not forget that the spark which ignited the American Revolution was caused by the British attempt to confiscate the firearms of the colonists. - Patrick Henry
>poorly written
what
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0
jim jeffries blowing the fuck out of every stupid argument in this thread ^^;
>>77711169
It was socially acceptable to be against the Constitution in the first place.
The 2nd Amendment was a god damn AMENDMENT, ie change.
>>77710705
Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution states that Congress has the following power:
"To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;"
A letter of marque is a kind of a naval hunting license. It allows a private citizen to fight on behalf of the government in wartime, stopping and capturing enemy vessels on the high seas. This is called privateering. In order to wage war at sea the said private citizen would have to have a warship. That would be something like the frigate, a ship armed with cannon.
Since one cannot be a privateer without a warship, the fact that this is in the Constitution demonstrates that it's authors fully expected armed warships to be in private ownership. A warship was basically the WMD of it's day, the most destructive weapon in existence. A ship's battery could level a coastal city
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>>77711519
>Granting Congress power
In hindsight, that may have been a mistake...
>>77709089
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>>77711396
The Bill of Rights was "oops we forgot", not "hey, we fucked up."
>>77709089
So then your first amendment rights only apply to quill ink and parchment paper? How could the founding fathers foresee printers, computers, smartphones, ad infinitum.
Get fucked
>So we'd like to subvert the will of the people but that shit's not flying we need to exploit a tragic event for our political goals.
When you actually listen to what's being said, it doesn't sound quite so rosy.
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>>77709461
>faggots arguing over the raw constitution.
Lel. We have SCOTUS rulings that answer these questions.
>A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
So do what your faggot founding fathers said and maintain a well REGULATED local militias you fucking retards
>>77709089
Saying that the 2nd Amendment only applies to muskets is like saying the 1st Amendment only applies to quill and paper.
>>77709229
>Founding fathers
That's like saying anyone in America should still give a shit about the queen, slavery and world war 1. Seriously shit happened and it shaped the country but to act like the country is supposed to stay identical even with a fucktouppled population, mass invocation and importation of other cultures is literally insanity.
>>77709089
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Never trust an OP who does not respond in his own thread.
>>77712343
Canada was a mistake
>>77709089
lol where does it say muskets tho!
>>77712330
Every male citizen is a member of the militia in the US.
In the Inferno by Dante Aligheri, the deepest and most horrid place in hell in his interpretation is reserved specially for traitors. Here they are chewed up and spit out by Lucifer for eternity. This is where traitors to the US constitution and the American people will belong.
tl;dr op is a fag
>>77712330
>Well Regulated
That phrase does not mean what you think it means.
Well Regulated at the time meant well, equipped, maintained and up to date. The same usage as a Regulated watch means adjusted to keep time properly. It had never meant controlled or overseen.
To convert Well Regulated in it's actual usage to modern times, it would mean an AR15, clean and at the ready, with 2000 rounds of ammunition, and enough high capacity magazines to respond to any situation necessary.
>>77709089
>barely functioning muskets
people were not retarded back then. they thought the exact same as you and me. what is that called, to think of the past as dumber? i see it all the time. people think they were so much dumber in the past.
"Arms" refers to whatever the fuck weaponry exists
Even if nanotech or sci-fi-esque ESP weaponry is available, then the second amendment is referring to it.
This revisionist shit is getting incredibly tired.
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>>77709089
*drops mic*
>>77709089
>2nd amendment
>Mentioning the words Barely, Functioning, or Muskets
Nope.
But it did say THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>77711396
>LOL ITS JUST AN AMENDMENT
that's like saying "evolution is just THEORY MAN".
>>77710553
I'm no military historian by I would think the effect the guerillas had on limiting troop and supply movement would have been pretty significant to the overall war effort.
Winning battles and occupying territory is how you win wars, for sure, but one can't discount the effects of psyops. Entire supply trains being destroyed or confiscated by men you never even saw is sure to fuck with morale.
>>77712670
>The adjective 'well-regulated' implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training
If you honestly believe what you are saying you are truly dumber than any american stereotype I can conjure in my mind.
>>77712916
Read and learn, Icebro.
http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm
Another bot bait to derail this board and /pol/tards fell for it again... jesus
SAGE THIS DOWN
>>77711167
I own a couple black powder rifles, reproduction Civil War weapons (ignore the flag, I'm an American working in Germany atm). Your right about the recoil, it's much less than a modern rifle of equivalent caliber
>>77709576
Dear god you're correct. I've been misinterpreting for so long. I'm throwing away all my muskets now, only going to have my trusting bear arms and plastic ware to defend myself and my country.
>>77712916
>words only have one definition and they never change
In case you can't get it through your thick Arab skull, English spoken in the 18th century is somewhat different from the English we speak now. look up the definitions for "regulate"
>>77709089
>Downplaying a constitutional amendment because you just don't like it
>>77712916
You probably shouldn't attempt to lecture us on English language, Eyjafjallajokull (sorry, that's the only Icelandic I know).
>>77709089
The 19th amendment was drafted when only two sexes were acknowledged...didn't account for or anticipate trans/otherkin etc. So let's scrap it.
The 1st amendment wasn't drafted to account for the internet, let's scrap it.
>>77713143
For anyone who hasn't shot both, imagine someone weighing 200 pounds with their hand on your shoulder and then giving you a push. That's black powder.
Now imagine that same person giving you a punch in the shoulder, that's an M1 Garand.
>>77709089
Correct me if I'm wrong but most of these shootings are in gun free zones or in commiefornia which has strict gun laws.
>>77713450
You're quite correct. For counter examples see the Texas Draw Muhammad contest, where the two would-be assailants were dropped faster than the media dropped the story. Didn't even make it into the venue, in fact.
>>77713105
>>77713247
You are the one simplifying a meaning to match what you want it to be.
Well regulated = in working order. In this context that clearly means trained and disciplined as anyone with half a brain knows what an untrained, undisciplined militia gets up to.
Read and learn you braindead fucking plants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Meaning_of_.22well_regulated_militia.22
>>77711396
KEK
>>77709089
Stop feeding the bot, the OP only made this 1 post. They're testing your responses dumbasses
>>77713759
Icelandic Constitution, Article 74
>People are free to assemble unarmed. Public gatherings may be attended by police. Public gatherings in the open may be banned if it is feared that riots may ensue.
Holy shit, Constitutionally your own government doesn't even trust it's citizens as a matter of law.
Well, fuck me sideways. No wonder you don't understand Freedom.
>>77713632
I love my state.
>>77714433
The current constitution is copied from the danish monarchy and in the process of being rewritten.
In practice the government has no military and the police force is not large enough to maintain power through force.
The Icelandic people have the power of force through both numbers and firepower, which is the intended consequence of the 2nd amendment but still isn't the case in the US.
>>77715104
But that's not what it says. It says that the police are allowed to stop any gathering or assembly for any reason, and that the people are not allowed to be armed so that it will be easier for them.
>If you get a free pass at interpreting our Constitution, I get to interpret yours.
But mine is or yours, is actually closer to the intended purpose, than your is of ours.
>>77712916
English isn't even your first language, and you aren't even american so why are you implying that you know more about us and our language than ourselves?
